Unless things are going to be EXPONENTIALLY improved in Open Beta, the MMO community is absolutely going to crucify and annihilate this game and SE.
It's just that bad right now. Put it this way, it's an MMO released in 2010 and it doesn't even have an option for Hardware mouse cursor.
This means that if you get 5-10 FPS on the game, your cursor moves at 5-10 FPS... selecting options in the game is like a minigame in itself, and when you need to navigate 20 menus and click 6-7 different things just to loot or select any options, it makes you want to literally strangle yourself with a length of rope.
FFXI is one of my favorite games of all time, but boy did they ever screw this one up.
ffxiv will survive just fien def wont be perfect at release but what mmos is none so people need to chill the f out. event ho there is af ew things i dont like with the current biuld but im 100% sure thers some changes coming
I guess i have to just try it at open beta, and most open beta's are short and for stress tests anyway. Not really a tweaking session for the game, it's a little late at that point.
Saying that is it unlike any other MMO is hard to picture as well. I have read a great deal about FFXIV and i am curious about the game, though wary of the UI issues. I also never played WoW but played several other major and small titles that were all rather different amongst themselves anyway.
"Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better." parrotpholk
As good a company as SE is, I do not understand why they do the things they do with this game in particular. No hardware mouse...seriously? The bad bad bad just bad UI.
As its been many times before in countless threads and as general knowledge, Square Enix makes console games and just as they did with FFXI, FFXIV is a menu driven game reminisent that of a console FF title. They are also the only developer with enough balls, twice successful now to make an MMO that is world-wide region free across both console and PC, and thus the experiences and controls must be fair for both types of players, with neither one giving a better advantage. Now if there was another MMO that was also on console without the so-called horrible control issues prevalent at the top of the whine list to compare with; then you'd have a good argument, but apparently no other developer will take that risk and attempt it, to prove the vocal crowd correct...
People need to stop making excuses for open beta. Open beta has become "put up or shut up" for many of us. If a game is not in decent working order by the time a public beta is offered, then it isn't going to be by release. This has been proven time and time again with just about every MMO franchise on the planet. Sink or swim, live or die, show us what you are made of.. or we will go play something worth two cents. There are to many MMO titles around these days to suffer playing any title that is not in working order come release.
Looking forward to it as i couldn't get into the fileplanet wave due to not being the NA but what i want to ask is, is there a quicker way to download this, i'm getting like 5kb/s or some crap on a 20mb cable connection
i would like to play around in open beta to see if this game fits me, ff11 fit me well for two years so we will see
And this is why games fail, because Beta tests are full of people who just want to try the game instead of actually testing.
That is mainly because only "certain" people are able to report bugs. Most of the beta testers can only post feedback and the new beta testers can't even post feedback..
claims that beta won't have all the content of retail is at the top of my list of big red flags that tell me the game is crap, because it's never true.
claims that beta won't have all the content of retail is at the top of my list of big red flags that tell me the game is crap, because it's never true.
It is true. I take it you didn't play the FFXI beta. Most of the content is locked so beta testers don't have an advantage over others. Something I think all MMO companies should get in the practice of doing.
claims that beta won't have all the content of retail is at the top of my list of big red flags that tell me the game is crap, because it's never true.
its actully true in this case the open beta will have most fo the content that will be in for release. RIGHt now no where near all the content is in
claims that beta won't have all the content of retail is at the top of my list of big red flags that tell me the game is crap, because it's never true.
It is true. I take it you didn't play the FFXI beta.
i would like to play around in open beta to see if this game fits me, ff11 fit me well for two years so we will see
And this is why games fail, because Beta tests are full of people who just want to try the game instead of actually testing.
That is mainly because only "certain" people are able to report bugs. Most of the beta testers can only post feedback and the new beta testers can't even post feedback..
dont worry everything is getting reported or bitched about if needed theres alsoa gereral discussion we all can talk in
Originally posted by nightblazerr Originally posted by Tadzio Great game. Three biggest issues atm are - Shitty UI It's so shit it's hard to describe, looting takes like 5-6 clicks, there's 1-5 sec lag between doing things, and like 100 other issues. - Extremely high system requirements Got 8800gt and 5-10 fps @ low details @ 1680x1050. Won't preorder unless they change it in open beta, which is doubtful. I know this isn't high-end graphics card, but ffs, this is MMO, not Crysis. - Lag Pretty bad, but I believe this will get fixed for open beta Also, don't expect your typical MMO - it's VERY different from, let's say, WoW. Open mind is required. Don't come crying it's not WoW or it has anime-like characters.
I can run at max settings with a geforce GTX 470, and IMO it looks better then cysis.. but thats also becuase of the visual style... o and I mean origional crysis..not warhead or 2... but yeah.. graphics and music are by far the best things going for it atm...
Can you please post your CPU and ram as well? Also, exactly what settings are you running it on? So Resolution, Frame Buffer, etc.
I'm considering grabbing a 470GTX or a 480 if I know it will run this game at max.
Good. I should have the open beta for FF14, pre-release demo of Civ 5, and post-release demo of Elemental: War of Magic to play all by mid September so I can see which game will consume the next year or so of life.
It's so shit it's hard to describe, looting takes like 5-6 clicks, there's 1-5 sec lag between doing things, and like 100 other issues.
- Extremely high system requirements
Got 8800gt and 5-10 fps @ low details @ 1680x1050. Won't preorder unless they change it in open beta, which is doubtful. I know this isn't high-end graphics card, but ffs, this is MMO, not Crysis.
- Lag
Pretty bad, but I believe this will get fixed for open beta
Also, don't expect your typical MMO - it's VERY different from, let's say, WoW.
Open mind is required. Don't come crying it's not WoW or it has anime-like characters.
I can run at max settings with a geforce GTX 470, and IMO it looks better then cysis.. but thats also becuase of the visual style... o and I mean origional crysis..not warhead or 2...
but yeah.. graphics and music are by far the best things going for it atm...
Can you please post your CPU and ram as well? Also, exactly what settings are you running it on? So Resolution, Frame Buffer, etc.
I'm considering grabbing a 470GTX or a 480 if I know it will run this game at max.
Quad core 2.4 ghz 4 g ram 64 bit vista geforce 470 gtx
windowed mode. resoultion buffer. 16xQcsaa. shadows textures and everything on highest. Honestly tho sometimes it lags and sometimes it works perfectly at max settings ::shrug:: no idea why..
As good a company as SE is, I do not understand why they do the things they do with this game in particular. No hardware mouse...seriously? The bad bad bad just bad UI.
As its been many times before in countless threads and as general knowledge, Square Enix makes console games and just as they did with FFXI, FFXIV is a menu driven game reminisent that of a console FF title. They are also the only developer with enough balls, twice successful now to make an MMO that is world-wide region free across both console and PC, and thus the experiences and controls must be fair for both types of players, with neither one giving a better advantage. Now if there was another MMO that was also on console without the so-called horrible control issues prevalent at the top of the whine list to compare with; then you'd have a good argument, but apparently no other developer will take that risk and attempt it, to prove the vocal crowd correct...
::slowly claps as a single tear drips down his face:: Well done...well done... o and I play with a controller on PC...
By the way it doesn't take any clicks to loot. Loot is given to you automatically, if you wish to pre-emptively take it from your loot list it takes a few clicks. If you just let your Loot list distribute it to you then it doesn't take any clicks at all.
Me thinks some people should learn how to read the Beta manual.
I'd love to contribute as a bloody tester, but it appears Square blocked all new players from Phase 3 from contributing to the forums. I've read every dang guide they have on how to post there and there is simply no information on how to access the posting buttons. I'm figuring this is just because they want newbies to complain elsewhere. :-P
Also, given that a ladybug the size of your foot can deal 200 damage per hit to a high leveled player, I seriously doubt the guy in that screenshot is going to last more than a couple seconds.
By the way it doesn't take any clicks to loot. Loot is given to you automatically, if you wish to pre-emptively take it from your loot list it takes a few clicks. If you just let your Loot list distribute it to you then it doesn't take any clicks at all.
Me thinks some people should learn how to read the Beta manual.
Speaking of which, is there any way for a non-beta tester to get a copy of that manual?
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
By the way it doesn't take any clicks to loot. Loot is given to you automatically, if you wish to pre-emptively take it from your loot list it takes a few clicks. If you just let your Loot list distribute it to you then it doesn't take any clicks at all.
Me thinks some people should learn how to read the Beta manual.
True, just found that - my bad.
That's about 99 issues left.
Such weird mechanics should be explained in game anyway. But yes, It's my bad for not reading manual.
By the way it doesn't take any clicks to loot. Loot is given to you automatically, if you wish to pre-emptively take it from your loot list it takes a few clicks. If you just let your Loot list distribute it to you then it doesn't take any clicks at all.
Me thinks some people should learn how to read the Beta manual.
True, just found that - my bad.
That's about 99 issues left.
Such weird mechanics should be explained in game anyway. But yes, It's my bad for not reading manual.
I solved most of my issues by using a PS3 controller on my PC. But the UI lag in general is a bitch, even buying and selling is a pain because of the lag.
Also to the other poster, the manual is still covered by the NDA I believe so probably not yet. I'd guess that once Open Beta starts the NDA will be lifted, you'll probably be able to see the manual pretty easy then.
As good a company as SE is, I do not understand why they do the things they do with this game in particular. No hardware mouse...seriously? The bad bad bad just bad UI.
As its been many times before in countless threads and as general knowledge, Square Enix makes console games and just as they did with FFXI, FFXIV is a menu driven game reminisent that of a console FF title. They are also the only developer with enough balls, twice successful now to make an MMO that is world-wide region free across both console and PC, and thus the experiences and controls must be fair for both types of players, with neither one giving a better advantage. Now if there was another MMO that was also on console without the so-called horrible control issues prevalent at the top of the whine list to compare with; then you'd have a good argument, but apparently no other developer will take that risk and attempt it, to prove the vocal crowd correct...
Your argument makes no sense as there are cross platform PC/Xbox360 games out there, they aren't MMO's but there is an RTS (real time strategy) and an FPS (first person shooter) yet the PC players having a mouse is not an advantage for those genres? I think it is, and much moreso than in an MMO. Some people play on controllers (even on the PC) because they like it, even when there is no attempt to force them to.
But, if a PS3 user can use a mouse surely as simply as a PC user can use a PS3 controller, why not allow both control systems to work to their fullest. Surely given they won't even be releasing it on a console until March they will eventually introduce the fully functional hardware mouse.
btw I use a keyboard only on PC and just don't cry about it.
I'm so excited! I'm still stuck on whether or not to pre-order SE or CE... >.> I'm so poor that SE looks good. But that extra couple of days before classes start are making me willing to do a lot of crazy things for the CE...
Oh well. I guess I should start studying now... so I can slack off for the first whole month of school. But why the heck did this game come out my junior year of college and not my freshman year!
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
What does that mean? In any Open Beta I have participated in you receive a pretty reasonable reflection of the high-level game experience. Will features be added/modified? Of course. Will some functionality not be available? Absolutely. However, Open Beta often "makes or breaks" launch. I can't figure out if the "typical MMO" stance means that FFXIV will be missing a lot of the features you see in the other "AAA", or if it just means it will be missing those features during beta.
Have you ever played FFXI? If not then that is why you are trying to compare this game to ANY AAA MMO. YOu just can't. Heck, FF could be a genre to itself, really, for how it does things different than everyone else.
I disagree. I played FFXI for a few years at release. While it was the least solo-friendly MMORPG ever made at its launch, it had a lot of the staples that people have come to expect in MMOs: auction house, crafting, character customization, etc. I don't think it was exceptional in many ways, although the difficulty scale and need to group made for lots of social opportunities. Playing a white mage I was often greeted with dozens of messages the second I logged on. The team combo system (I forget the name) was a novel idea as well.
If you mean to say that FFXIV won't be a "WoW clone", that I can see, as the interface and controls, not to mention visual style, are completely different.
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Unless things are going to be EXPONENTIALLY improved in Open Beta, the MMO community is absolutely going to crucify and annihilate this game and SE.
It's just that bad right now. Put it this way, it's an MMO released in 2010 and it doesn't even have an option for Hardware mouse cursor.
This means that if you get 5-10 FPS on the game, your cursor moves at 5-10 FPS... selecting options in the game is like a minigame in itself, and when you need to navigate 20 menus and click 6-7 different things just to loot or select any options, it makes you want to literally strangle yourself with a length of rope.
FFXI is one of my favorite games of all time, but boy did they ever screw this one up.
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ffxiv will survive just fien def wont be perfect at release but what mmos is none so people need to chill the f out. event ho there is af ew things i dont like with the current biuld but im 100% sure thers some changes coming
I guess i have to just try it at open beta, and most open beta's are short and for stress tests anyway. Not really a tweaking session for the game, it's a little late at that point.
Saying that is it unlike any other MMO is hard to picture as well. I have read a great deal about FFXIV and i am curious about the game, though wary of the UI issues. I also never played WoW but played several other major and small titles that were all rather different amongst themselves anyway.
"Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better." parrotpholk
As its been many times before in countless threads and as general knowledge, Square Enix makes console games and just as they did with FFXI, FFXIV is a menu driven game reminisent that of a console FF title. They are also the only developer with enough balls, twice successful now to make an MMO that is world-wide region free across both console and PC, and thus the experiences and controls must be fair for both types of players, with neither one giving a better advantage. Now if there was another MMO that was also on console without the so-called horrible control issues prevalent at the top of the whine list to compare with; then you'd have a good argument, but apparently no other developer will take that risk and attempt it, to prove the vocal crowd correct...
People need to stop making excuses for open beta. Open beta has become "put up or shut up" for many of us. If a game is not in decent working order by the time a public beta is offered, then it isn't going to be by release. This has been proven time and time again with just about every MMO franchise on the planet. Sink or swim, live or die, show us what you are made of.. or we will go play something worth two cents. There are to many MMO titles around these days to suffer playing any title that is not in working order come release.
Looking forward to it as i couldn't get into the fileplanet wave due to not being the NA but what i want to ask is, is there a quicker way to download this, i'm getting like 5kb/s or some crap on a 20mb cable connection
That is mainly because only "certain" people are able to report bugs. Most of the beta testers can only post feedback and the new beta testers can't even post feedback..
claims that beta won't have all the content of retail is at the top of my list of big red flags that tell me the game is crap, because it's never true.
It is true. I take it you didn't play the FFXI beta. Most of the content is locked so beta testers don't have an advantage over others. Something I think all MMO companies should get in the practice of doing.
its actully true in this case the open beta will have most fo the content that will be in for release. RIGHt now no where near all the content is in
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dont worry everything is getting reported or bitched about if needed theres alsoa gereral discussion we all can talk in
but yeah.. graphics and music are by far the best things going for it atm...
Can you please post your CPU and ram as well? Also, exactly what settings are you running it on? So Resolution, Frame Buffer, etc.
I'm considering grabbing a 470GTX or a 480 if I know it will run this game at max.
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Good. I should have the open beta for FF14, pre-release demo of Civ 5, and post-release demo of Elemental: War of Magic to play all by mid September so I can see which game will consume the next year or so of life.
Quad core 2.4 ghz 4 g ram 64 bit vista geforce 470 gtx
windowed mode. resoultion buffer. 16xQcsaa. shadows textures and everything on highest. Honestly tho sometimes it lags and sometimes it works perfectly at max settings ::shrug:: no idea why..
::slowly claps as a single tear drips down his face:: Well done...well done... o and I play with a controller on PC...
By the way it doesn't take any clicks to loot. Loot is given to you automatically, if you wish to pre-emptively take it from your loot list it takes a few clicks. If you just let your Loot list distribute it to you then it doesn't take any clicks at all.
Me thinks some people should learn how to read the Beta manual.
I'd love to contribute as a bloody tester, but it appears Square blocked all new players from Phase 3 from contributing to the forums. I've read every dang guide they have on how to post there and there is simply no information on how to access the posting buttons. I'm figuring this is just because they want newbies to complain elsewhere. :-P
Also, given that a ladybug the size of your foot can deal 200 damage per hit to a high leveled player, I seriously doubt the guy in that screenshot is going to last more than a couple seconds.
Speaking of which, is there any way for a non-beta tester to get a copy of that manual?
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
True, just found that - my bad.
That's about 99 issues left.
Such weird mechanics should be explained in game anyway. But yes, It's my bad for not reading manual.
I solved most of my issues by using a PS3 controller on my PC. But the UI lag in general is a bitch, even buying and selling is a pain because of the lag.
Also to the other poster, the manual is still covered by the NDA I believe so probably not yet. I'd guess that once Open Beta starts the NDA will be lifted, you'll probably be able to see the manual pretty easy then.
So then what about:
http://www.ps3mouse.com/
Your argument makes no sense as there are cross platform PC/Xbox360 games out there, they aren't MMO's but there is an RTS (real time strategy) and an FPS (first person shooter) yet the PC players having a mouse is not an advantage for those genres? I think it is, and much moreso than in an MMO. Some people play on controllers (even on the PC) because they like it, even when there is no attempt to force them to.
But, if a PS3 user can use a mouse surely as simply as a PC user can use a PS3 controller, why not allow both control systems to work to their fullest. Surely given they won't even be releasing it on a console until March they will eventually introduce the fully functional hardware mouse.
btw I use a keyboard only on PC and just don't cry about it.
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I'm so excited! I'm still stuck on whether or not to pre-order SE or CE... >.> I'm so poor that SE looks good. But that extra couple of days before classes start are making me willing to do a lot of crazy things for the CE...
Oh well.
I guess I should start studying now... so I can slack off for the first whole month of school. But why the heck did this game come out my junior year of college and not my freshman year!
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
I disagree. I played FFXI for a few years at release. While it was the least solo-friendly MMORPG ever made at its launch, it had a lot of the staples that people have come to expect in MMOs: auction house, crafting, character customization, etc. I don't think it was exceptional in many ways, although the difficulty scale and need to group made for lots of social opportunities. Playing a white mage I was often greeted with dozens of messages the second I logged on. The team combo system (I forget the name) was a novel idea as well.
If you mean to say that FFXIV won't be a "WoW clone", that I can see, as the interface and controls, not to mention visual style, are completely different.