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Lord of the Rings Online: This Week On LOTRO.com

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  • jaxsundanejaxsundane Member Posts: 2,776

    Originally posted by GrumpyMel2

    The beta server and the price list are probably good indications of what F2P costs will be for the first month or so after launch..... expecting that they are good indicators of anything longer lived then that would be a mistake (IMO)..... and it's the long term effects that really interest me.

    Companies typicaly make pretty siginficant adjustments over a few months or even a year or more when introducing new models like these. Furthermore, the beta server experience doesn't really tell us (as far as I'm concerned) the full story as to how F2P will really effect the game play experience as a whole once it goes live. I don't expect Turbine themselves fully has a handle on that either....it's just a plan they have...no plan survives first contact intact.

    As far as the price list is concerned....there are some items I'm really not happy being in there at all. There is stuff in there that I can definately see effecting game play negatively. Some of the prices seem a little steep...others not so much. However, we'll just have to see.

    My real test will be if 6 months from now:

    1) I can play the game with no item purchases just as easly and with just as much fun as I could before it went F2P.

    2) The community hasn't been trashed.

    3) They continue to release new content free of charge to VIP's that is equivalent to the Free Content Updates we were used to getting included with our subscriptions. (i.e. We aren't getting less value for our money then we had before).

    If it meets those criteria..then I'll still play....if not...then it's not like there is any shortage of other offerings out there.

     

     

     

     

     

     Well written and sensible as well, I agree one hundred percent.  I don't really expect too many changes and even as far as the community goes as I understand it you'll only be playing with people who are subbed or have actually spent money and purchased that particular content which is going to weed out some of the jerks.  But even then I remember one of my first problems with LOTRO was that I had come there from WOW and the small populations were a bit of a shock even given the fact that the community as a whole is one of the best I've encountered and light years ahead of the WOW community It just felt smallish so I doubt this is going to impact things that negatively.  Also I played DDO premium and hybrid model and didn't notice any significant change other than the larger population, disposition seemed to stay the same.

    As it stands I feel like LOTRO for me may have numbered days with TOR on the horizon since I never bother playing more than one mmo at a time but I don't expect this change to be the reason I leave.

    but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....

  • PapadamPapadam Member Posts: 2,102

    Originally posted by UndeadKing

    I am sick and tired of people moaning about LotRO F2P, I preordered my lifetime, collectors edition and I for one am looking forward to F2P.  There's a lot of good new stuff coming out, some of my favorite old instances will be run on level and drop on level loot.  All sorts of new goodness is coming with F2P from what I saw in beta.   Stop whining stop being chicken little and give it a try.

    Dont worry about the whiners, they will whine no matter what Turbine does so it doesnt matter. Most of the time the whining even contradicts itself.

    We are having fun playing LotrO and they are bitter, hatefull people who cant stand that others are having fun.

    If WoW = The Beatles
    and WAR = Led Zeppelin
    Then LotrO = Pink Floyd

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  • MrbloodworthMrbloodworth Member Posts: 5,615

    Originally posted by Philby

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth


    Originally posted by Philby



    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    Beta prices, all subject to change based on beta plyers feedback.

    So if the F2P folks find, complain that something is overpriced Turbine is going to lower the price?  You do go to extremes at times.

    Edit. spelling


     


    No, but watching what users buy/don’t buy and other metrics that turbine has that you do not, will temper the pricing. Also turbine likes to do sales a lot. Hence the "special and featured" item sections.

    You are are binary a lot.

    Oh yes, im sure they have been testing how much people will bear but the whining of players will not lower the price of this F2P game.


    Who brought up "whining"? Because it wasn’t me. Unless you equate feedback as whining, then you may have other issues.


     



    Is whining how you personally give feedback?


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  • JenakaJenaka Member Posts: 56

    Originally posted by Gruug

    "Free-to-play" as Turbine puts it is a deceptive form of advertising as far as I am concerned. But, if you are drawn to the flame by that word "free" go right ahead and continue to decieve yourself.

    How is it deceptive? It states quite clearly on their site what it means.

     

    "Free-to-Play opens up more choices and options so you can play your way. When LOTRO Free-to-Play is available, you can download the game for free and start playing without a subscription or even a credit card. Earn free Turbine Points as you advance your Hero and adventure throughout the massive world of Middle-earth. You can spend these points in the LOTRO Store to access hundreds of convenience items as well as expansion packs, premium content, potions, character-customization options, and more. If you choose to, you may also purchase Turbine Points in the LOTRO Store."

     

    People who are drawn to the flame by the word free need to learn to read the fine print. Which you should do anytime buying a service or product.

  • erictlewiserictlewis Member UncommonPosts: 3,022

    Originally posted by Philby

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    Beta prices, all subject to change based on beta plyers feedback.

    So if the F2P folks find, complain that something is overpriced Turbine is going to lower the price?  You do go to extremes at times.

    Edit. spelling

     Actually they will have sales from time to time.  However I don't expect the prices to really change much at this point.

    I will give you a case in point.  We got stat tomes in beta.  Folks raised the roof about that, with multiple threads.  What we had was tomes of +10, +20, and +30,  shortly there after, stating our feedback they added +40 and +50 tomes. This after folks griped and complained.  Then added them to instances on the final boss drop.  I don't know anybody who looted one in beta, as in I was not there to see one despite the reports of a couple being looted.

    Then you had the special potion pots in the store, folks griped and complained.

    So all I can say is based on what I saw during beta, lots of complaints about the advantage items in the store, and nothing was done, so I really don't think at this point they are going to reduce any price unless its a sell.

    Having a life time account myself, its been put on the shelf and will stay there until I see how all this shakes out. Having no faith in the statements made about no advantage items, but clearly putting those in.

    I will add this in closing. I got my moneys worth out of my lifetime been playing since beta A2, turbine owes me nothing, and I owe them nothing. In fact at this point there going to have to prove to me they are actually going places and doing stuff for the end game players.

  • SamhaelSamhael Member RarePosts: 1,534

    I was not pleased about some of the upcoming Captain nerfs but I think F2P will be a good thing.

  • zaylinzaylin Member UncommonPosts: 794

    The Only thing I could see going south is the community. You had lifers and subs playing lotro because they liked the game and was a pretty mature community.Now anyone can just DL it and play,it can be a good thing or bad thing. We can only wait and see,as I nor anyone else can see into the future,at best gestimations,and thats all they are. I HOPE it does not go south,as I enjoyed playing lotro' but finacially just was not in the budget.

  • SgtEchoSgtEcho Member Posts: 139

    Originally posted by LordDraekon



    Free-To-Play has finally killed my inclination to login to my Lifetime account. Good luck and godspeed!


     

    If you don't want it I'll take it xD

  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001

    Originally posted by zaylin

    The Only thing I could see going south is the community. You had lifers and subs playing lotro because they liked the game and was a pretty mature community.Now anyone can just DL it and play,it can be a good thing or bad thing. We can only wait and see,as I nor anyone else can see into the future,at best gestimations,and thats all they are. I HOPE it does not go south,as I enjoyed playing lotro' but finacially just was not in the budget.

    What keeps me in LOTRO is the community and if that goes then I am gone

    I love the RP community of my server and GLFF is always a good help

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  • AethaerynAethaeryn Member RarePosts: 3,150

    Originally posted by SgtFrog

    Originally posted by LordDraekon

    Free-To-Play has finally killed my inclination to login to my Lifetime account. Good luck and godspeed!

    I am giving it a month or two to see how it turns out..Most people I have spoken too are doing the same thing.

    I am a long time Landroval player and I enjoy RP etc.  I am a mature player and have been playing online games since gemstone NWN. . Darksun, Meridian etc.  I subbed to LOTRO for about a year.

     

    I am coming back because it is free to play and I own all of the expansions.  Not everyone that comes because of F2P will be a dolt and ruin your game and community.  Also the community on the beta servers seemed fine.  I might even start over on one of the new servers. 

    Wa min God! Se æx on min heafod is!

  • AethaerynAethaeryn Member RarePosts: 3,150

    Originally posted by Gruug

    "Free-to-play" as Turbine puts it is a deceptive form of advertising as far as I am concerned. But, if you are drawn to the flame by that word "free" go right ahead and continue to decieve yourself.

    You are aware that you can earn Turbine Points in game right?  Someone could do the starter parts over and over with new characters and get the points and spend them how they want.  It would be a grind. . but that is no different from any other F2P. . they are mostly just a grind.  I would rather have the grind for points than the actual gameplay.

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  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001

    Originally posted by Aethaeryn

    Originally posted by SgtFrog


    Originally posted by LordDraekon

    Free-To-Play has finally killed my inclination to login to my Lifetime account. Good luck and godspeed!

    I am giving it a month or two to see how it turns out..Most people I have spoken too are doing the same thing.

    I am a long time Landroval player and I enjoy RP etc.  I am a mature player and have been playing online games since gemstone NWN. . Darksun, Meridian etc.  I subbed to LOTRO for about a year.

     

    I am coming back because it is free to play and I own all of the expansions.  Not everyone that comes because of F2P will be a dolt and ruin your game and community.  Also the community on the beta servers seemed fine.  I might even start over on one of the new servers. 


    Oh I did not mean all the players coming because of F2P will be bad...but we will get quite a few bad apples and I just hope they do not ruin the experience.


     


    Anyway happy gaming and welcome back to lotro and maybe one day we will pump into each other at the prancing pony. image

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  • AethaerynAethaeryn Member RarePosts: 3,150

    Originally posted by SgtFrog

    Originally posted by Aethaeryn


    Originally posted by SgtFrog


    Originally posted by LordDraekon

    Free-To-Play has finally killed my inclination to login to my Lifetime account. Good luck and godspeed!

    I am giving it a month or two to see how it turns out..Most people I have spoken too are doing the same thing.

    I am a long time Landroval player and I enjoy RP etc.  I am a mature player and have been playing online games since gemstone NWN. . Darksun, Meridian etc.  I subbed to LOTRO for about a year.

     

    I am coming back because it is free to play and I own all of the expansions.  Not everyone that comes because of F2P will be a dolt and ruin your game and community.  Also the community on the beta servers seemed fine.  I might even start over on one of the new servers. 


    Oh I did not mean all the players coming because of F2P will be bad...but we will get quite a few bad apples and I just hope they do not ruin the experience.


     


    Anyway happy gaming and welcome back to lotro and maybe one day we will pump into each other at the prancing pony. image

    Oh I know.  I just meant that it could also mean a larger community returning than most people think.  No one seems to mention that :)

    Wa min God! Se æx on min heafod is!

  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001

    Originally posted by Aethaeryn

    Originally posted by SgtFrog


    Originally posted by Aethaeryn


    Originally posted by SgtFrog


    Originally posted by LordDraekon

    Free-To-Play has finally killed my inclination to login to my Lifetime account. Good luck and godspeed!

    I am giving it a month or two to see how it turns out..Most people I have spoken too are doing the same thing.

    I am a long time Landroval player and I enjoy RP etc.  I am a mature player and have been playing online games since gemstone NWN. . Darksun, Meridian etc.  I subbed to LOTRO for about a year.

     

    I am coming back because it is free to play and I own all of the expansions.  Not everyone that comes because of F2P will be a dolt and ruin your game and community.  Also the community on the beta servers seemed fine.  I might even start over on one of the new servers. 


    Oh I did not mean all the players coming because of F2P will be bad...but we will get quite a few bad apples and I just hope they do not ruin the experience.


     


    Anyway happy gaming and welcome back to lotro and maybe one day we will pump into each other at the prancing pony. image

    Oh I know.  I just meant that it could also mean a larger community returning than most people think.  No one seems to mention that :)


    Oh yes and I do hope that is the case..:)


     


    I am probably just over exaggerating with the bad apples...Turbine have been pretty good at keeping them tame in DOD so the same will probably go for LOTRO.

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  • TalinTalin Member UncommonPosts: 923

    Adding F2P may be the single greatest thing Turbine could have done for LOTRO for lifetime subscribers. They have created the potential for limitless growth throughout the game, helping to mitigate the usual population stagnation that occurs as a game ages.

    Of course, if no one buys anything, the game could end up closing all the same. ;)

  • MrbloodworthMrbloodworth Member Posts: 5,615



    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth


    Originally posted by Philby


    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth


    Originally posted by Philby



    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    Beta prices, all subject to change based on beta plyers feedback.

    So if the F2P folks find, complain that something is overpriced Turbine is going to lower the price?  You do go to extremes at times.
    Edit. spelling

     


    No, but watching what users buy/don’t buy and other metrics that turbine has that you do not, will temper the pricing. Also turbine likes to do sales a lot. Hence the "special and featured" item sections.
    You are are binary a lot.

    Oh yes, im sure they have been testing how much people will bear but the whining of players will not lower the price of this F2P game.


    Who brought up "whining"? Because it wasn’t me. Unless you equate feedback as whining, then you may have other issues.

     


    Is whining how you personally give feedback?


    Oh look.


    There are a few more coming prior to launch. Many of the prices in the store are being adjusted further based on feedback, we are putting up a new Beta build of the game tomorrow to address some additional issues beta testers have reported, and we are still reviewing item and price feedback before settling on the launch configurations in the LOTRO Store.

    In addition, we've already started to highlight some of the best player suggestions from Beta to include in our next full (non -patch or hotfix) update and in future Book updates.

    So you could say we've got a lot going on here in the coming weeks and months.



    Reputation mounts were removed based on beta player feedback.

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  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726

    Originally posted by LordDraekon

    Free-To-Play has finally killed my inclination to login to my Lifetime account. Good luck and godspeed!

    Posts like this really make me laugh.  Ignorant bliss I guess.

    Lotro is not going to attract the normal f2p crowd because they will soon find they really can't do much beyond the early 20's without paying for something. 

  • SgtFrogSgtFrog Member Posts: 5,001

    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Originally posted by LordDraekon

    Free-To-Play has finally killed my inclination to login to my Lifetime account. Good luck and godspeed!

    Posts like this really make me laugh.  Ignorant bliss I guess.

    Lotro is not going to attract the normal f2p crowd because they will soon find they really can't do much beyond the early 20's without paying for something. 

    In the end it is still the same game.

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  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

     










    Oh look.

     




    There are a few more coming prior to launch. Many of the prices in the store are being adjusted further based on feedback, we are putting up a new Beta build of the game tomorrow to address some additional issues beta testers have reported, and we are still reviewing item and price feedback before settling on the launch configurations in the LOTRO Store.

    In addition, we've already started to highlight some of the best player suggestions from Beta to include in our next full (non -patch or hotfix) update and in future Book updates.

    So you could say we've got a lot going on here in the coming weeks and months.



     




    Reputation mounts were removed based on beta player feedback.


     

    I bet they're raising prices, based on player feedback...

    /sarcasm

  • LucziferLuczifer Member UncommonPosts: 155

    I played LOTRO from beta and all time in row, and tho not old-school normal hard game (ie NO instances, hard death penalties etc.) it still was good game and good aura and good community. But then happens that it start to change (ppl told that greedy turbine throw away founder devs with Tolkien in minds and took new hindu cheapo progers who only copy-paste). Moria was beginning of that mindless asian style and when they bring skirmishes that was my limite of tolerance.

    Tho I would do it for sure even when no skirms when I would hear about f2p - i neve support ANY game that is f2p cuz this is big and nasty lie - we are free - really for free ya get only some start area trial. When ya wanna to be hardcore endgamer, raider - it will cost ya some nice 50 or more USD in WEEK! Ask from rich hardcore in DDO what money they pay. And this is free?

    And don't come to me, fanboyz, with ya blinded talks that ya can pay sub and get TP for free. Yes, ya can get 500 TP monthly but... Have ya looked at shop screenshot already on web? Cheapest zones are 750 TP, some like Angmar is 900 TP. For sure ya never saw such a big zones like Forochel etc. Now ya would get that zone like in five small pieces each for 500 :)

    If even turbine's greed can have limits, tho wallet bro.s's is limitless. I offer after few month there are standing ticketbooths at the entries of each instance with elvenaunts selling them ready to take ya visa or mastercard :) And look at price for (pure P4W) morale and power potions... Sure I am next raid designs are such that to participate ya must buy and drink some 50 at one raid. But for 500 TP ya can buy only 28 pcs. I am pretty sure that when I would play new LOTRO with same lvl as before (in average ca 4,5 hrs per each day) and raiding at same rate I would pay at least 500 USD per month even when I subscriber.

    And for all that long time they exist I never ever saw even one game that can say honestly - I am free to PLAY.

  • jhayejarvisjhayejarvis Member UncommonPosts: 5

    Im a lifer. i love this game, and even tho i never read the books i find the deeper lore more and more interesting. im very happy that turbine is being nice to give us lifers TPs they could have just as easy, and with no fault at themselves decided that TPs were for cash only. thanks for trying to be real Turbine. as a side note i have been able to actually load and play from my HP Mini (on reg rez) this week.! so now i can do some small things like crafting or just kinchat while im at work. hehe. as for F2p, im not worried about new customers, some will stay some wont, happens on every game but that adds chances to make new friends and it even helps sometimes to lower some AH prices and increase sales on the AH for those items that cannot be had on the TP Store or items that are eazy to make when youre a SGM in your prof.  I think that the only reason i will not log on that evening of the 10th is Resident Evil 3D! and i cant miss that.  So all i can say is come to LOTRO, im on Landroval Server, and we have very nice people here for the most part. so we welcome new players.

  • binarypcbinarypc Member Posts: 13

    Originally posted by Ruviane



    I'm happy about the free to play because I can finally play LOTRO with my family without having to have four accounts.  We have three people in the family that will play together often, so we have the start of our own group.  ^_^


     

    Ruviane,

    I'm happy about it too. I have a Lifetime, going VIP. It will mean a lot more fun for some of my family, as we will now be able to play together.

    - bpc

    binarypc

  • GrumpyMel2GrumpyMel2 Member Posts: 1,832

    Bottom line is this is a really big change to the game...... it could turn out to be ok....or it could turn out to be utter crap. Smartest thing to do is keep your eyes open and judge for yourself as things.

    Personaly, I see lots of reasonds to be be worried/P.O.'d.... but who knows, I could be pleasantly surprised.

    One thing for sure..... "The everything will be fine, nothing will change for you." .... is the mantra coming straight out of Turbine's Marketing Dept. They are paid to tell you that regardless of whether it's true or not.

    Don't take that at face value...... keep your eyes open as to the details of what happens as things progress.

    This is NOT the same Turbine of AC days or even the opening days of Shadows of Angmar.... it's different management and different ownership.... those things have a big effect on a company.

  • KanylKanyl Member UncommonPosts: 252

    Hi everyone, I really need your help here even if it is a bit off-topic, I think?

    Anyway....



    I have not been playing LOTRO before, so I don't have a account or anything. I will start playing now on the "release" but I got some questions:

    I want to play a Rune Keeper at the beggining and if I understand right, you need to pay for this class or be a VIP? What should I do?



    1. Buy MoM and activate it on 10 September (or does it work with any expansion to get the Rune Keeper, if so, which one should I take?



    2. Buy the FIRST game on CD and subscribe before the "release" so I will get VIP automaticy (because I get 30 days as a subscriber = VIP after "release") on 10 September and be able to make a Rune Keeper (because the class require VIP, and not only MoM on 10 September)?



    3. Just start subscribe on 10 September and buy the expansions later when I need them. MoM in 50 and SoM in 60? Because SoA is not a expansion, only the "game", which is free on 10 September...so you don't have to buy it? I will buy the expansions sooner or later. I just wonder WHEN I should get them and if they got an effect on Rune Keeper?



    Can someone explain a "strategy" for me, to be able to play a Rune Keeper at release as cheap as possible and not lose him later?. Because even if I don't play Rune Keeper, I will be a VIP player from lvl 20 even what charr I choose. 



    I know exactly how I should do if I take a "normal" character, but I want to be a Rune Keeper, so I am really confused about how I should do. If you get a better alternative then those 3, please tell me.



    Sorry for my bad english, not so easy to explain how I mean...but I hope you will understand it anyway. Really nice if you can explain what is best for me and how I should do! 



    Thanks

    PS: Can you still buy Lifetime Sub or did they remove it?

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