I agree with you and I really hope you are correct. ArenaNet have the right idea by having no monthly fees. This is the way ALL mmos should be and I really hope Guildwars 2 helps to push other games companies into adopting this method. Of course it wont because only the customers can make this happen by refusing to pay.....which they wont cos they're suckers so oh well. Its nice to dream though. At the very least they will prove to the public that monthly fees are a rip off. Charging for expansions is the way it should be done.
However I have one statement and one question to make.
1. Stating that the community of WoW consists of 16 year olds just makes you look stupid and damages your credibility. If you are going to make claims like that then you need to back it up with real evidence......which of course you cant so you shouldnt say it. Only make statements that are definately true. Otherwise just dont bother. Stating that you saw a bunch of kids playing WoW in a cafe just doesnt cut it for obvious reasons.
2. What does "sth" mean?
sth=something
yeah correct me on this
I mean that wow comunity has a lot of 16 years old children not that it has only 16 years
thx 4 corection
By the way 31/08 final fantasy 14 open beta lets see what they are up to
The WoW community has a lot of 16 year old children? How do you KNOW this? I challenge you to provide some evidence to back this up. Go on I DARE you. Lets see it. Thats right. You CANT can you. Why is that? Yep its because its an OPINION which you have pulled from your rectum. There is no way for you to confirm it. You really should stop presenting an opinion as a fact.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Rift is a lot closer to WoW with offering some other extra features. I probably won't be playing any of them since I'm waiting for TERA but if both came out before it then I'd play GW2.
This is not about money. 15 bucks a month or not, the best developers will win. The reason Wow got so big is because it is really well programmed, in all other aspects are there games that are nearly as good or even better. Studios like Funcom, Mythic and Cryptic will never get a huge game because the write crap code.
My theory is that the game with best programmers will be the game with what Blizzard call polish and that will be the largest.
So lets have a look on the 2 studios.
Arenanet started as a part of Blizzard north (Diablo). They then went over to Blizzard and made the code for battlenet and Warcraft 3. After that they wanted to build an MMO and started what would later be known as Wow, noone in Blizzard really believed at it at the time. In 1999 however Blizzard saw the potential and started to lay up loads of rules so Strain got upset and quit, his 2 top programmers followed with him and founded Arenanet. They then made GW1, Strain quit 2 years ago after completing the engine and is now working on a zombie MMO for a new company he founded.
These guys have many years of experience and have made games that sold well in the past. I never saw a single bug in GW in several years, I am happy if I see none for a single week in other games.
Trion studios is founded by Van Caneghem, his greatest accomplishment is probably the famous Heroes of might and magic series. He spent a year at NC soft before starting Trion. Great guy, only problem is that he like Strain left his company too, in this case last year. To be honest do I know little of the current Trio team.
Both ANET and Trion are founded by legends, Strain and Van Caneghem are both brilliant. Without them I think ANET has some lead but it will be a surprisingly interesting battle (even though I think counting out Bioware at this point is a mistake).
So far from vids GW2 seems to be the better game in my eyes but both games needs to be tried before we know which one that is best. 2011 will be an interesting year.
The lore of Rift however annoys me, worst R.I.F.T.S rip off I ever heard of an Kevin Simbieda has sued them and not without some pretty good reasons. If he wins the lore might have to be changed and the game would be released a lot later, or Trion will have to pay Palladium games.
This is not about money. 15 bucks a month or not, the best developers will win. The reason Wow got so big is because it is really well programmed, in all other aspects are there games that are nearly as good or even better. Studios like Funcom, Mythic and Cryptic will never get a huge game because the write crap code.
My theory is that the game with best programmers will be the game with what Blizzard call polish and that will be the largest.
I have to say that's worth emphasizing and I agree, especially with MMO's because they are so large and so much code, it's got to count and add up, right?!
As to payment options, if the game is worth a sub per month then it's got me signed up. The market conditions have changed and this means that this one time standard is no longer so prevalent especially as gamers/customers can now afford to be more picky about what they play and how they pay for it.
BTW: That title from the OP makes me chuckle, good ad for the thread, it worked!
I have found it easier to become self-informed on GW2, I like how the devs have blogged specific details and just communicated really well with ppl about what they are thinking about with designs for their game.
I have not found it easy to mug up on Rift so far. That's the biggest difference for me, is it a telling difference?
What GW1 team was very smart .GW1 was never a MMO in a 1st place it was always a CORPG.
But what they have managed is to build a base.also the way their cluster of server was built with instant online updates they had to waste less time and resources on server updates etc.
GW2 is a true step for Anet in making a MMO but with a successful base behind them and revenues to back it up (over 5 million copies sold) they got a huge budget to develop GW2.
I have been burned too badly by $15 subs namely WAR, AOC , Darkfall ,arggggggggggh STO and AION for that matter.so not looking really forward to Rift unless I read really awesome feedback from forums.
GW2 with 1 time payment wins out right .With what I have seen so far ( and we haven’t seen PVP as yet) those $50 is ensuring me months of enjoyment .
Damn still I play occassionaly GW1 and still enjoy it.
2 threads about the same crap on the first page of threads please knock it off with this crap after these games release we can all come back here and talk about how awsome or crappy they are.
Picking between GW2 and Rifts is like picking between Mass effect 2 and WoW.They are not competing with each other when people get that yes GW2 is mmo but it has closer roots to normal RPG because its payment plan.Do you play a MMO and play Mass effect 2,Fallout,Final Fantasy?
If you like Rifts and GW2 you can play both,If you like Rifts and Tera you can't play both unless you are willing to subs for both.If you can afford two mmo a month then you can play Rifts,WoW and GW2 or TOR,Tera and GW2 or Warhammer 2K,the secret world and GW2.You have no reason not to buy GW2 unless you don't like its ideas or how the gameplay looks but if you like GW2 and some other game buy GW2 first because with 3 three months the 14.99 of a sub could have bought you GW2.
The lore of Rift however annoys me, worst R.I.F.T.S rip off I ever heard of an Kevin Simbieda has sued them and not without some pretty good reasons. If he wins the lore might have to be changed and the game would be released a lot later, or Trion will have to pay Palladium games.
lol. I thought Rift was an IP from the R.I.F.T.S stuff. Mr Simbieda should have a strong case.
No monthly fee for GW2 = can play both for the monthly cost of one MMO...
Hah, that was what I was thinking .
People can complain all they want about Rift's lore but I'm in it for the game. Now I am always into good lore so I won't take it out of consideration but I never thought WoW's lore was that amazing and great either. Rift's lore I would say is a bit better but the gameplay, mechanics, etc. in Rift look quite nice to me.
Final Fantasy 14 isn't looking too good, nor is SW:TOR so I think I'm going to settle in Rift and play Guild Wars 2 a little. Monthly Fees pay for constant polishing of the online game and new/better content (in most MMORPGs, obviously not counting WoW as they are just throwing random stuff out to appeal to what the people want).
I take a like to Rift mostly because the Devs know what they are doing. The Devs working on this MMORPG are experienced and helped make a lot of the top MMOs. I've been watching what has been going on in the forums and as much as players are trying to make them change something (change something that is already fine, things that wouldn't have worked have already been changed) they know it will work. I like that they are not switching already good/great systems to what the little group of people want.
I haven't looked at Gould Wars 2 thoroughly because I never took a great liking to Guild Wars in the first place. It wasn't addicting, it was okay, I didn't have major problems with it. It just never really caught my attention all the often, when I was done playing and logged off I found I wouldn't go back on it for a week or 2 because I forgot about it. I'll be waiting to see how the game goes before buying it, I may wait a month or 2.
I soo luv these threads:) just bring your popcorn , soda and enjoy please:))
But not being offtopic
As someone mentioned the thing with GW2 being B2P means a lot of people will be playing 2 MMOs simultaneously thus GW2 wont be stealing many subscribers....or it could totally ruin other P2P games by showing customers they dont have to pay monthly fees for AAA MMO
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
Ok guys after trying a lot of mmos and having an experience of 6 years i've realized some things.
1)A small introduction
Todays mmo industry is not a secret that is walking into a black hole.
A lot of games tried their fate against wow but every game went to trash.
I m not a fan of wow and in fact i m not fan on anything on the world.I just enjoy whatever brings me most joy.
As i said above i tried a lot of games if not all mmos.The final decision is that wow is hard to get down.
One of the greatest reasons is because of it's gameplay.Yes it has the best gameplay i've ever experienced in any mmo but wow has also alot of dissadvantages for todays expectetions and for the 2011 year.
First of all it' graphics are totaly outdated and a lot of stuff has been added which made the game feels bad.
Furthermore wow is now redicoulous easy which makes some veteran mmo gamers hate it.
Last the comunity of wow consist of a lot of 16 years old children and believe me ive seen tons of children at internet coffe shops playing wow that makes u sick.
To conclude this introduction the result is that fathers of these children playing wow still support this game and wow still got the throne of mmos.
2)The 2011 era
Now we are near to the new year 2011 and a lot of studios are giving their best shot to come up with a game trying to lure as many players as possible through demonstrations at gamescom,ea etc etc and if they make it good enough they will send wow back home
There will be a lot of anticipated games coming in 2011 and there will be a big confusion for players.
The most anticipated games are ffxiv,wow cataclysm.Rift,Swtor,Tera and guild wars 2.
To be fast im not going to speak about every game as the title says Rift vs Gw2 and thats because in my opinion Tera is not going to make any success,it's another aion clone which was total failure.
Star wars is another kind of mmo it's sci-fi and will reflect only to sci-fi players and sw fans.
Wow cataclysm may have recreate their world but with the same graphics a deep breath is not going to be taken.
FFxiv i was impressed with eleven some times but square enix has not done any significant changes to 14 so we have a ff11 with better graphics.
3)The great war
So we come to an end with 2 games having something worth to be seeen.
First of we have Rift which has a very nice lore and maybe a good story too,some new graphics that will engage a lot of players,a very nice mature more badass art than other mmos and sth new as the developers say a breathing world changing continuesly.I m not going to speak about the skill system which will be far better and more interesting than tera but hey it's the same as wow or warhammer.You have 3 or more skill trees u power up u gain skills,anyway we ll se about that later on release.The gameplay looks like wow but we ll have to wait till we see the real stuff in action.
Although it's a very interesting game and it will be my first game for 2011.
On the other hand we have Gwars 2 which will be released a little bit more later and as developers say in an interview i saw t "We Are Going To Create The Best Mmo Ever Seen"...
Real tough words from the devs of guildwars.They seem to have much confidence inside them but my experience says that some times big words comes to big dissaster.
Anyway i saw a 50 minutes of gameplay at gamescom u can check it here:
To tell the truth gw2 may had the best presentation at gamescom but thats not enough..they need to keep this momentum in order not to loose their value.
Indeed the game has a lot to offer there are a lot of things there and a lot of action going on that keeps u always having sth to do.
But the most important thing of this game is that despite it's good quality it's FREE!and they charge u only for the expanssions which in my opinion is very logical
Yes they say we create a game for the player and want them to enjoy our game.
4)Payment methods!
Since 1998 if i remember right with ultima online payment methods havent changed a lot except some free mmos from some noob companies.(all free games are worthless ive tried them all)
Every company charge players 15 euro per month so they can play their game
And everybody says they keep this paying method to maintain servers.
Give me a break gw2 is also an mmo and isnt charge per month and they have also servers to maintain them
Others say paying for an mmo is an overkill."Why should i pay for a game which i have already bought"
Yes they are correct why should i pay for an mmo 15 euro per month?Why?
So i realized that there are 2 side of companies on the horizon.
The first company as always is looking for cash..a lot of cash that they become so addicted that is depicted through the game
Eg Dungeons&Dragons,Eq2,lord of the rings,age of conan ,Startrek..I just refered to some games so u can catch the point later.
If someone tell me that wow isnt a cashcow then surely is a blizzard dev.
Eq,d&d and lord of the rings are all retarted games.Look at them they have lost anything and they keep charging people with micro transactions to buy weapons.
Oh and i forget they give u free to play access which in real means is a demo of the game. If u want more become a subscriber.
And i say that "i never never going to pay for any game except if it becomes 10 times better than wow and finally exterminate it.
They havent realize that these games are dead and once a worthy game comes out these games are going never to be seen again or even forgoten.
But the most ruthless of all is startrek.. god shake these people are the worst.Despite they charge u for 15 per month they have also an eshop so they can milk even more money.Wtf is going in the mmo industry.They are out of their minds
The 2nd kind of company is the one that cares to earn money but they plan to get what they deserve and not overcharge people.Furthermore they give more emphasis to the player.The player feels happy and they earn more money through expansions.
The game that made the revolution is Gw1 and now Gw2.Yes Gw2 has ultra quality and it's free!
They care about the player they say and we will see in the near future about that.
5)Conclusion
To finish with i have to say that Rift will have a great opponent and they must do sth about it.
For me as player when i pay 15 per month i want everything to be nearly perfect.
If there is sth i dont like i stop subscription at once.Because i pay and i demand.
And Gw2 says u dont have to pay 15 per month and we are also going to develop the best mmo u've ever seen and we will support it as if it was a 15/month game
Confident words.
If guildwars 2 make their words come true then rift is going to die along with other mmos but for some reason i think wow will still survive.This game is a real mmo competitor
Trion has to do sth with their payment methods.
And im not talking about putting micro transactions.
Micro payment is the biggest fail when it comes to the player.
Rift has 2 options
1)they must make a game that it will be even more better than gw2 so they can charge players.
2)or they must just end up with their free subscription model and charging players through expansions just like Gw2
If rift doesnt do sth about it then it's dead.
My opinion is that every mmo should be free and they should charge u only for the expanssions they create.
To tell the truth i was waiting for the revolution in the mmo industry and hope that Gw will make it happen.
Yes other companies must learn that 15 euro/month is a fail and thats why a lot of games fail.
Imagine a game that will make the same success as wow in 2011 and have a free subscription model and charge u only for the expanssions.Just imagine what is going to happen.
All companies will turn to the free subscription model and everyone will be happy.
15 euro per month is an EPIC FAIL
Paying only for expansions=success as long as the game is AAA
It's not monthly pay. Just read in GW2 FAQ Support : "Will there be a subscription fee for Guild Wars 2?
Nope. Like the original Guild Wars, there will be no subscription fee for Guild Wars 2. You just buy the game and play it online without playing a monthly fee."
I met a lot of new people and made friends. Guild Wars 2 is going to have something even better - good gameplay. Guild Wars gameplay was balanced and strategic but not the most unique system I've ever seen. From their gameplay demo I've seen so far a two-way targetting system and a largely customizable skill bar - no more Guild Wars set "PvX" builds (except for maybe PvP).
WoW and every other MMORPG has not managed to hold my attention nearly as long as Guild Wars simply because Guild War's non-combat mechanics are amazing. Instanced areas, standardized party rules/exp sharing, etc., makes it so no one is left disappointed and there is always something to do (if you can handle the repetitive combat of course).
Since Guild Wars 2 seems to be Guild Wars 1 in a persistent world where exp and items seem to be divided fairly (which in itself is amazing - of course this is all from waht the creators have been saying) and combat seems to be much more advanced, I have high hopes for this game.
I soo luv these threads:) just bring your popcorn , soda and enjoy please:))
But not being offtopic
As someone mentioned the thing with GW2 being B2P means a lot of people will be playing 2 MMOs simultaneously thus GW2 wont be stealing many subscribers....or it could totally ruin other P2P games by showing customers they dont have to pay monthly fees for AAA MMO
The only way GW2 would steal me as a customer is if its the BEST GAME OUT THERE. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. The money of it doesnt even come into it.
I mean really, people, what is 15 dollars a month? if I get just a little more enjoyment out of game 1 with its 15 a month subscription, than game 2 with its FREE subscription, I am still going with game 1.
Until MMOs are 100 dollars a month vs Free, I will still play the best game regardless of payment options.
I soo luv these threads:) just bring your popcorn , soda and enjoy please:))
But not being offtopic
As someone mentioned the thing with GW2 being B2P means a lot of people will be playing 2 MMOs simultaneously thus GW2 wont be stealing many subscribers....or it could totally ruin other P2P games by showing customers they dont have to pay monthly fees for AAA MMO
The only way GW2 would steal me as a customer is if its the BEST GAME OUT THERE. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. The money of it doesnt even come into it.
I mean really, people, what is 15 dollars a month? if I get just a little more enjoyment out of game 1 with its 15 a month subscription, than game 2 with its FREE subscription, I am still going with game 1.
Until MMOs are 100 dollars a month vs Free, I will still play the best game regardless of payment options.
I soo luv these threads:) just bring your popcorn , soda and enjoy please:))
But not being offtopic
As someone mentioned the thing with GW2 being B2P means a lot of people will be playing 2 MMOs simultaneously thus GW2 wont be stealing many subscribers....or it could totally ruin other P2P games by showing customers they dont have to pay monthly fees for AAA MMO
The only way GW2 would steal me as a customer is if its the BEST GAME OUT THERE. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. The money of it doesnt even come into it.
I mean really, people, what is 15 dollars a month? if I get just a little more enjoyment out of game 1 with its 15 a month subscription, than game 2 with its FREE subscription, I am still going with game 1.
Until MMOs are 100 dollars a month vs Free, I will still play the best game regardless of payment options.
Fifteen dollars is food for an African orphan for three months.
If you think entertainment is worth all your money, then I'm afraid that's an opinion most people don't share.
The only way GW2 would steal me as a customer is if its the BEST GAME OUT THERE. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. The money of it doesnt even come into it.
I mean really, people, what is 15 dollars a month? if I get just a little more enjoyment out of game 1 with its 15 a month subscription, than game 2 with its FREE subscription, I am still going with game 1.
Until MMOs are 100 dollars a month vs Free, I will still play the best game regardless of payment options.
I have netflix,i have zune pass,I have game fly,i buy other games,I go to movies,I have bills cable,power,car etc,I eat out out.15 dollars is not a lot of money but they are other things i spend my money on,Clearly i am not cheap by all the stuff i have spend on monthly but every mmo come out trying to be 15 dollars a month is stupid.They are just hurting themselves by make people pick one game.
I like Rifts,Tera and ToR i am not spending 45 dollars a month every month for people like you are only interested in one mmo fine but 15 is cool not for me for every game.It means i have cut something in this case gamefly or netflix.Why can't i play Tera and Rifts at the same time they are not same game one is classic mmo and the other a more action based game.The money adds up it is 180 dollars for 12 months playing one mmo,It is 360 dollars for 12 months for 2 mmos.I didn't even include the box price into that number.
I like the different styles of mmo sandbox verus theme parks,I like the different types scifi versus fantasyI like the different game mechanics classic mmo versus uptempo action.Ideal world for me is Monday i play City of Heroes,Tuesday i play WoW,Wednesday i play Aoc,Thusday i play Darkfall,Friday i play EvE.Saturday and Sunday when i have more time i mix up it a little.
I have never played just one video game or one style video game.The payment plan keeps me from playing video games i like i never wanted to quit CoH heroes,I never wanted to WoW,I never want to quit Darkfall,I did want to quit Aion but try out a different game you almost have to pick one.That i why i like free to play games and B2P i never feel like i have to play or else i am wasting money and i can play more than one game.
MMO is not wife or girlfreind to don't just have to pick one.
Guild wars is not an mmorpg, its diablo 2 on steroids thats it. Until you can have huge guilds all participating in an instance or a war of 100vs 100 or have zones that have more then just your party in it, its practicly a single player game.
the maintenance fee you pay for these games is the bandwith usage.
Guild wars is not an mmorpg, its diablo 2 on steroids thats it. Until you can have huge guilds all participating in an instance or a war of 100vs 100 or have zones that have more then just your party in it, its practicly a single player game.
the maintenance fee you pay for these games is the bandwith usage.
Guild Wars 2 is an MMO. I can't believe some people still don't know that already. As for the server costs, AN have stated that they a capable of running a lot of servers while being very cost efficient, therefore a subscription isn't needed, but only the initial price of the game along with expansions which will probally be very frequent.
I have netflix,i have zune pass,I have game fly,i buy other games,I go to movies,I have bills cable,power,car etc,I eat out out.15 dollars is not a lot of money but they are other things i spend my money on,Clearly i am not cheap by all the stuff i have spend on monthly but every mmo come out trying to be 15 dollars a month is stupid.They are just hurting themselves by make people pick one game.
I like Rifts,Tera and ToR i am not spending 45 dollars a month every month for people like you are only interested in one mmo fine but 15 is cool not for me for every game.It means i have cut something in this case gamefly or netflix.Why can't i play Tera and Rifts at the same time they are not same game one is classic mmo and the other a more action based game.The money adds up it is 180 dollars for 12 months playing one mmo,It is 360 dollars for 12 months for 2 mmos.I didn't even include the box price into that number.
I like the different styles of mmo sandbox verus theme parks,I like the different types scifi versus fantasyI like the different game mechanics classic mmo versus uptempo action.Ideal world for me is Monday i play City of Heroes,Tuesday i play WoW,Wednesday i play Aoc,Thusday i play Darkfall,Friday i play EvE.Saturday and Sunday when i have more time i mix up it a little.
I have never played just one video game or one style video game.The payment plan keeps me from playing video games i like i never wanted to quit CoH heroes,I never wanted to WoW,I never want to quit Darkfall,I did want to quit Aion but try out a different game you almost have to pick one.That i why i like free to play games and B2P i never feel like i have to play or else i am wasting money and i can play more than one game.
MMO is not wife or girlfreind to don't just have to pick one
Most people focus on a single product because thats all they have time for. Work, kids, marriage maintaining a house, going out with friends, dating, school or some combination of those things and a lot more are why most people only choose one MMO. Its not that they dont like or want to play more than one but time becomes an issue, it would be fantastic if we could all be like my friend that is going to an online school for his masters living at home not working and own every console known to man along with a PC and all you have to do is a little homework and play games and not worry about that pesky lil thing called money. Unfortunately the majority of us have shit to do and a lot of it and that leaves room for one MMO and most of the time not enough time as we would like for that.
So choosing the 15 bucks a month is an easy choice for most because when you break down the amount of time spent playing and enjoying a game vs how much it costs per hour for that entertainment MMO's are cheap entertainment.
Guild wars is not an mmorpg, its diablo 2 on steroids thats it. Until you can have huge guilds all participating in an instance or a war of 100vs 100 or have zones that have more then just your party in it, its practicly a single player game.
the maintenance fee you pay for these games is the bandwith usage.
Guild Wars 2 is an MMO. I can't believe some people still don't know that already. As for the server costs, AN have stated that they a capable of running a lot of servers while being very cost efficient, therefore a subscription isn't needed, but only the initial price of the game along with expansions which will probally be very frequent.
In addition to the above, GW2 devs have mentioned instanced 300 vs 300 battles in the "mists."
Fifteen dollars is food for an African orphan for three months.
If you think entertainment is worth all your money, then I'm afraid that's an opinion most people don't share.
Thus payment does become an issue of debate.
And it is 3 pints of Guinness to me at the local pub, yes. Things aren't fair in life but for most westerners are 15 bucks not that much money.
Heck, I payed $3000 for my computer so to me is 15 dollars a month not that much.
I will buy the best game, period. If you are a poor student, unemployed or if by some other reason 15 dollars is a lot of money to you things are different but I doubt it is that much for most of us.
All that said, I still think GW2 seems like the better of the games and I will play the best game even if I will of course try the competition too so 'I can decide.
Guild wars is not an mmorpg, its diablo 2 on steroids thats it. Until you can have huge guilds all participating in an instance or a war of 100vs 100 or have zones that have more then just your party in it, its practicly a single player game.
the maintenance fee you pay for these games is the bandwith usage.
Guild Wars 2 is an MMO. I can't believe some people still don't know that already. As for the server costs, AN have stated that they a capable of running a lot of servers while being very cost efficient, therefore a subscription isn't needed, but only the initial price of the game along with expansions which will probally be very frequent.
Yes, exactly. ANET said that the difference in bandwith is surprisingly small from the first GW and they also said that the monthly fee is a rest since the bandwith were very expansive when MMOs like Meridian 59 and UO came out.
It might however affect the customer service somewhat.
Pmaura, check out the vids from gamescon and you'll see around 50 players in an open world. You really should check your facts a little better.
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The WoW community has a lot of 16 year old children? How do you KNOW this? I challenge you to provide some evidence to back this up. Go on I DARE you. Lets see it. Thats right. You CANT can you. Why is that? Yep its because its an OPINION which you have pulled from your rectum. There is no way for you to confirm it. You really should stop presenting an opinion as a fact.
P2P vs F2P, the final battle review....
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Rift is a lot closer to WoW with offering some other extra features. I probably won't be playing any of them since I'm waiting for TERA but if both came out before it then I'd play GW2.
This is not about money. 15 bucks a month or not, the best developers will win. The reason Wow got so big is because it is really well programmed, in all other aspects are there games that are nearly as good or even better. Studios like Funcom, Mythic and Cryptic will never get a huge game because the write crap code.
My theory is that the game with best programmers will be the game with what Blizzard call polish and that will be the largest.
So lets have a look on the 2 studios.
Arenanet started as a part of Blizzard north (Diablo). They then went over to Blizzard and made the code for battlenet and Warcraft 3. After that they wanted to build an MMO and started what would later be known as Wow, noone in Blizzard really believed at it at the time. In 1999 however Blizzard saw the potential and started to lay up loads of rules so Strain got upset and quit, his 2 top programmers followed with him and founded Arenanet. They then made GW1, Strain quit 2 years ago after completing the engine and is now working on a zombie MMO for a new company he founded.
These guys have many years of experience and have made games that sold well in the past. I never saw a single bug in GW in several years, I am happy if I see none for a single week in other games.
Trion studios is founded by Van Caneghem, his greatest accomplishment is probably the famous Heroes of might and magic series. He spent a year at NC soft before starting Trion. Great guy, only problem is that he like Strain left his company too, in this case last year. To be honest do I know little of the current Trio team.
Both ANET and Trion are founded by legends, Strain and Van Caneghem are both brilliant. Without them I think ANET has some lead but it will be a surprisingly interesting battle (even though I think counting out Bioware at this point is a mistake).
So far from vids GW2 seems to be the better game in my eyes but both games needs to be tried before we know which one that is best. 2011 will be an interesting year.
The lore of Rift however annoys me, worst R.I.F.T.S rip off I ever heard of an Kevin Simbieda has sued them and not without some pretty good reasons. If he wins the lore might have to be changed and the game would be released a lot later, or Trion will have to pay Palladium games.
I have to say that's worth emphasizing and I agree, especially with MMO's because they are so large and so much code, it's got to count and add up, right?!
As to payment options, if the game is worth a sub per month then it's got me signed up. The market conditions have changed and this means that this one time standard is no longer so prevalent especially as gamers/customers can now afford to be more picky about what they play and how they pay for it.
BTW: That title from the OP makes me chuckle, good ad for the thread, it worked!
I have found it easier to become self-informed on GW2, I like how the devs have blogged specific details and just communicated really well with ppl about what they are thinking about with designs for their game.
I have not found it easy to mug up on Rift so far. That's the biggest difference for me, is it a telling difference?
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014633/Classic-Game-Postmortem
What GW1 team was very smart .GW1 was never a MMO in a 1st place it was always a CORPG.
But what they have managed is to build a base.also the way their cluster of server was built with instant online updates they had to waste less time and resources on server updates etc.
GW2 is a true step for Anet in making a MMO but with a successful base behind them and revenues to back it up (over 5 million copies sold) they got a huge budget to develop GW2.
I have been burned too badly by $15 subs namely WAR, AOC , Darkfall ,arggggggggggh STO and AION for that matter.so not looking really forward to Rift unless I read really awesome feedback from forums.
GW2 with 1 time payment wins out right .With what I have seen so far ( and we haven’t seen PVP as yet) those $50 is ensuring me months of enjoyment .
Damn still I play occassionaly GW1 and still enjoy it.
2 threads about the same crap on the first page of threads please knock it off with this crap after these games release we can all come back here and talk about how awsome or crappy they are.
Picking between GW2 and Rifts is like picking between Mass effect 2 and WoW.They are not competing with each other when people get that yes GW2 is mmo but it has closer roots to normal RPG because its payment plan.Do you play a MMO and play Mass effect 2,Fallout,Final Fantasy?
If you like Rifts and GW2 you can play both,If you like Rifts and Tera you can't play both unless you are willing to subs for both.If you can afford two mmo a month then you can play Rifts,WoW and GW2 or TOR,Tera and GW2 or Warhammer 2K,the secret world and GW2.You have no reason not to buy GW2 unless you don't like its ideas or how the gameplay looks but if you like GW2 and some other game buy GW2 first because with 3 three months the 14.99 of a sub could have bought you GW2.
lol. I thought Rift was an IP from the R.I.F.T.S stuff. Mr Simbieda should have a strong case.
Hah, that was what I was thinking
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People can complain all they want about Rift's lore but I'm in it for the game. Now I am always into good lore so I won't take it out of consideration but I never thought WoW's lore was that amazing and great either. Rift's lore I would say is a bit better but the gameplay, mechanics, etc. in Rift look quite nice to me.
Final Fantasy 14 isn't looking too good, nor is SW:TOR so I think I'm going to settle in Rift and play Guild Wars 2 a little. Monthly Fees pay for constant polishing of the online game and new/better content (in most MMORPGs, obviously not counting WoW as they are just throwing random stuff out to appeal to what the people want).
I take a like to Rift mostly because the Devs know what they are doing. The Devs working on this MMORPG are experienced and helped make a lot of the top MMOs. I've been watching what has been going on in the forums and as much as players are trying to make them change something (change something that is already fine, things that wouldn't have worked have already been changed) they know it will work. I like that they are not switching already good/great systems to what the little group of people want.
I haven't looked at Gould Wars 2 thoroughly because I never took a great liking to Guild Wars in the first place. It wasn't addicting, it was okay, I didn't have major problems with it. It just never really caught my attention all the often, when I was done playing and logged off I found I wouldn't go back on it for a week or 2 because I forgot about it. I'll be waiting to see how the game goes before buying it, I may wait a month or 2.
The cake is still a lie.
bingo, hence no competition.
I soo luv these threads:) just bring your popcorn , soda and enjoy please:))
But not being offtopic
As someone mentioned the thing with GW2 being B2P means a lot of people will be playing 2 MMOs simultaneously thus GW2 wont be stealing many subscribers....or it could totally ruin other P2P games by showing customers they dont have to pay monthly fees for AAA MMO
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
It's not monthly pay. Just read in GW2 FAQ Support : "Will there be a subscription fee for Guild Wars 2?
Nope. Like the original Guild Wars, there will be no subscription fee for Guild Wars 2. You just buy the game and play it online without playing a monthly fee."
See. It's B2P. I Hope It will release in Q1 2011.
Guild Wars was three amazing years of fun for me.
I met a lot of new people and made friends. Guild Wars 2 is going to have something even better - good gameplay. Guild Wars gameplay was balanced and strategic but not the most unique system I've ever seen. From their gameplay demo I've seen so far a two-way targetting system and a largely customizable skill bar - no more Guild Wars set "PvX" builds (except for maybe PvP).
WoW and every other MMORPG has not managed to hold my attention nearly as long as Guild Wars simply because Guild War's non-combat mechanics are amazing. Instanced areas, standardized party rules/exp sharing, etc., makes it so no one is left disappointed and there is always something to do (if you can handle the repetitive combat of course).
Since Guild Wars 2 seems to be Guild Wars 1 in a persistent world where exp and items seem to be divided fairly (which in itself is amazing - of course this is all from waht the creators have been saying) and combat seems to be much more advanced, I have high hopes for this game.
The only way GW2 would steal me as a customer is if its the BEST GAME OUT THERE. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. The money of it doesnt even come into it.
I mean really, people, what is 15 dollars a month? if I get just a little more enjoyment out of game 1 with its 15 a month subscription, than game 2 with its FREE subscription, I am still going with game 1.
Until MMOs are 100 dollars a month vs Free, I will still play the best game regardless of payment options.
WOW, what a statement............
Fifteen dollars is food for an African orphan for three months.
If you think entertainment is worth all your money, then I'm afraid that's an opinion most people don't share.
Thus payment does become an issue of debate.
in eastern europe you earn avarage 500$ per month. For 8h/5day week work. Im amazed when people say 15$ is nothing.
I have netflix,i have zune pass,I have game fly,i buy other games,I go to movies,I have bills cable,power,car etc,I eat out out.15 dollars is not a lot of money but they are other things i spend my money on,Clearly i am not cheap by all the stuff i have spend on monthly but every mmo come out trying to be 15 dollars a month is stupid.They are just hurting themselves by make people pick one game.
I like Rifts,Tera and ToR i am not spending 45 dollars a month every month for people like you are only interested in one mmo fine but 15 is cool not for me for every game.It means i have cut something in this case gamefly or netflix.Why can't i play Tera and Rifts at the same time they are not same game one is classic mmo and the other a more action based game.The money adds up it is 180 dollars for 12 months playing one mmo,It is 360 dollars for 12 months for 2 mmos.I didn't even include the box price into that number.
I like the different styles of mmo sandbox verus theme parks,I like the different types scifi versus fantasyI like the different game mechanics classic mmo versus uptempo action.Ideal world for me is Monday i play City of Heroes,Tuesday i play WoW,Wednesday i play Aoc,Thusday i play Darkfall,Friday i play EvE.Saturday and Sunday when i have more time i mix up it a little.
I have never played just one video game or one style video game.The payment plan keeps me from playing video games i like i never wanted to quit CoH heroes,I never wanted to WoW,I never want to quit Darkfall,I did want to quit Aion but try out a different game you almost have to pick one.That i why i like free to play games and B2P i never feel like i have to play or else i am wasting money and i can play more than one game.
MMO is not wife or girlfreind to don't just have to pick one.
Guild wars is not an mmorpg, its diablo 2 on steroids thats it. Until you can have huge guilds all participating in an instance or a war of 100vs 100 or have zones that have more then just your party in it, its practicly a single player game.
the maintenance fee you pay for these games is the bandwith usage.
Guild Wars 2 is an MMO. I can't believe some people still don't know that already. As for the server costs, AN have stated that they a capable of running a lot of servers while being very cost efficient, therefore a subscription isn't needed, but only the initial price of the game along with expansions which will probally be very frequent.
Most people focus on a single product because thats all they have time for. Work, kids, marriage maintaining a house, going out with friends, dating, school or some combination of those things and a lot more are why most people only choose one MMO. Its not that they dont like or want to play more than one but time becomes an issue, it would be fantastic if we could all be like my friend that is going to an online school for his masters living at home not working and own every console known to man along with a PC and all you have to do is a little homework and play games and not worry about that pesky lil thing called money. Unfortunately the majority of us have shit to do and a lot of it and that leaves room for one MMO and most of the time not enough time as we would like for that.
So choosing the 15 bucks a month is an easy choice for most because when you break down the amount of time spent playing and enjoying a game vs how much it costs per hour for that entertainment MMO's are cheap entertainment.
In addition to the above, GW2 devs have mentioned instanced 300 vs 300 battles in the "mists."
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And it is 3 pints of Guinness to me at the local pub, yes. Things aren't fair in life but for most westerners are 15 bucks not that much money.
Heck, I payed $3000 for my computer so to me is 15 dollars a month not that much.
I will buy the best game, period. If you are a poor student, unemployed or if by some other reason 15 dollars is a lot of money to you things are different but I doubt it is that much for most of us.
All that said, I still think GW2 seems like the better of the games and I will play the best game even if I will of course try the competition too so 'I can decide.
Yes, exactly. ANET said that the difference in bandwith is surprisingly small from the first GW and they also said that the monthly fee is a rest since the bandwith were very expansive when MMOs like Meridian 59 and UO came out.
It might however affect the customer service somewhat.
Pmaura, check out the vids from gamescon and you'll see around 50 players in an open world. You really should check your facts a little better.