Actually Turbine goes F2P because it actually increases their subscriptions. You CANT play the game without spending money. You are so gimped that nobody would want you in their group if you don't have a sub.
uh yes you can play. Go F2P do the starter area quests. grind mobs and do the Epic quest lines for money and gear , take money for mob ginding and buy crafted gear. Is it painfull and slow? yeah sure, can it be done also yes. Or you can pay the subscription for 15USD a month.
Double facepalm here also ....A company gives you a chance to really see everything in thier game up to the level 50 content for free and people bitch
Actually... I'm adding my complaint to the fray because I just logged in earlier to check it out, only to be told that content I already paid for with my initial purchase of the game has to be purchased *again* before I can do it. In some cases, it's quests I already had in progress in areas of the game that were in there from launch... like the Trollshaws. I actually have quests in-progress on my tracker that have icons showing that I have to unlock them before I can complete them. WTF?
I'm not even talking about areas that were patched in, or added in an expansion. I'm talking areas and content that was in from day 1 at launch.
That is called double-dipping, and it's BS. Free-To-Play my ass.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
theres a level cap up to 65 for the fully equipped adventurer. or 50 for the non payer adventurer. 20ish for the player who wont do the grinding but wants to remain f2p
If you don't own the expansions the cap for a f2p player is 50. Don't get why people are complaining it really is cheaper to buy the individual zones as you go rather than pay 15 a month.
Actually... I'm adding my complaint to the fray because I just logged in earlier to check it out, only to be told that content I already paid for with my initial purchase of the game has to be purchased *again* before I can do it. In some cases, it's quests I already had in progress in areas of the game that were in there from launch... like the Trollshaws.
If you are referrring to the original SoM wasn't your purchase based on paying a monthly subscription fee to be able to do those quests ? If you have Mirkwood and Moria you should still have access to all those quest for your characters of high enough level in those zones. As far as teh original area you can stil log on and play the sae as the rest of the F2P players can't you?
I mean I purchased the original EQII box, and now EQII has a free to play option also but I can't even log onto my old server and play my old toons with that half assed system they came up with so in camparison Turbine is giving you a hell of a deal
There are 3 plans, choose the level of content you want, myself I think the old monthly fee is still the best deal.
While I agree that all Free 2 Play games need a way to make profit, I will personally not pay the high costs for any game on the market that uses Bag Storage, or scams of such. The only type of services I support are Free 2 Play games that require the purchase of extra storage for pay as you go, but also offer a simple $14.95 a month as a regular MMO which unlocks all storage slots across all characters, and other advanatges + Free 2 play items as well which you can purchase if you wish to do such. An example of a game that offers such is called Requiem.
So anyone who wants to debate free 2 play scams over a small monthly optional fee offers to such users if they choose, and a cash shop, then show them by simply not playing their game. I personally with all respects say that LOTR sucks because I played the Beta, and after the beta for awhile, I Quit. The Armors sucked, the game play was bad for this game, and I dont like it at all. I also played DDO which was not like the other DDO series, the map sucked, and all 100% Instanced, did not feel real at all to me. I refuse to play MMO like this, but this is my choice, and the only way to get F2P mmo to actually look at these things is to show them with your money, and dont buy into their 50% off scam then we increase price.
I was once a Combat Arms fan, I paid over $70 a month maxing out top gear everything until they added Specialists which were all over priced, and ruined mercenaries to the point with lack of customization, now I look at other free 2 play FPS games such as MAT Online, or other FPS games in general.
I also played Runes OF Magic until I saw that their bag spaces were a scam as well not unlocking across all accounts when purchased, if your only playing one character its fine.
There are also many other F2P mmo companies which imo are scams in some ways, just dont play it until they improve their game, thats all I can really say. OF course every game needs money, but milking the cows is not the way to do it, because those cows run out of milk really fast, and when there is no more milk you are not happy.
People are making such a freaking big deal about this crap. Why is everyone going crazy about F2P not being completely free... ok, So, act like you were running this company. Would you make a completely free game... WTF! lol
SIMPLE. If you like the game, play what you can for free then pay for it. Basically my limit is paying up to $15 a month, no matter what MMO it is, F2P or P2P. If 15 is not enough, then I say crap on it. LOTRO hasnt been a problem. If you enjoy the game you should be willing to invest a little money in it to keep the devs working. NO ONE WORKS FOR FREE!! Some people need to get that out of there head. If you beleive that it should be 100% free by all means please start working for a company that doesnt pay you and tell me if you would stay.
I assumed this would be from all the lag... Of which there is a lot. But seriously, stop whining everyone. This is one of the few situations where F2P won't kill your game. It didn't kill DDO. It won't kill WAR (is WAR going F2P?) or EQ2. It did, however fail to save Alganon. And it doomed Allods to a premature death.
Besides, a slew of new players means that there might be some population in the mid-level areas... Huzzah!
Important facts: 1. Free to Play games are poorly made. 2. Casuals are not all idiots, but idiots call themselves casuals. 3. Great solo and group content are not mutually exclusive, but they suffer when one is shoved into the mold of the other. The same is true of PvP and PvE. 4. Community is more important than you think.
OK, well I will give you that. They SHOULD say, Parts of this game are free to play... I dont give a crap. If you know mmos at all then you know that they arent going to be completely free. My point is if you enjoy it then play it and pay a little money. Notice how I said a little money. If the company went crazy and made me spend 15+ each month then I would quit. If you dont like it then just dont play and you did actually get a nice long trial.
And I dont beleive this is the only company that will suddenly raise their prices. It is a marketing strategy, and most companies that sell things or services will do that. Welcome to the world.
How are you bitching about something thats FREE? Pot calling the kettle black here. They're giving you a kickass game up to level 50 for absolutely no charge, yet you complain. They shouldn't do shit about prices. If they want to raise them, suck it, you can't do anything about it besides not playing (peace out, nobody cares if you cheap asshats leave).
and sloppy? maybe youre not playing the right game or your computer is a piece. Lotro is one of the most polished games on the market and Turbine has a great track record.
so you're roleplaying the wise man who with his infinite knowledge and kindness welcomes a newborn into the world. Cute. But "your" world is not important to me.
anyway, my problem is the following: I want long-term mmo's. years. So "play a little, pay a little, then quit" is not the advice I want to hear. I want to hear "stable payment, stable population, game improving and expanding". I don't want to see the volatility of F2Ps because they generally lack endgame.
I don't plan to play a game that once i'm doe leveling i'm done playing. I plan to play the game the same ammount if not more when i'm maxed. So I want to know how the endgame is. All I get from these forums about LotR endgame is that it is "not free".
so a F2P which does not include the part of the game i want...hmmm. The endgame IS the game to me. So my game isn't free-to-play at all, is it now.
and that's my problem with F2P. I dont care much for the first 20 levels or 2 weeks, I care more for the next 4 years. Are they also "free to play" ?
This is one of the things I find disappointing about what is considered endgame in most games - that there really is nothing to do but mindless repetition. The only game with an endgame that I have enjoyed was Shadowbane - because of what the endgame actually entailed.
Rushing through a bunch of levels to reach an endgame where you just repeat the same raids over and over is not really much of an engame. It means you are in a game lobby. You might as well just pick some FPS or RTS to play.
It should take longer to level. By the time you being to approach that "endgame", the next xpac should be coming out so that you do not reach it.
You will not finish EVE Online, and that is one of the greatest things it has to offer. It is an endless journey. It is not some rush to a game lobby...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Then I dont understand why you are posting on here. This game is clearly not for you. DONT PLAY. And to answer your question, no it will not be free at end game. I suggest you go play WoW. Best stable game and so on. I always have to get my WoW fix in But I, on the other hand, i need just the opposite. I need a game that I can casually play. And this fits it for ME. (for now, who knows later)
And I dont need an infinte knowledge to know that companies lower and raise prices. I was making a fact that all companies do that. This company will probably do the same. So dont buy the product, and wait for it to go down.
Too many people worry about playing MMOs. They want to make sure everything is right before playing. I play if I enjoy playing. Im not too worried about the future. I would rather play for when I am playing.
so you're roleplaying the wise man who with his infinite knowledge and kindness welcomes a newborn into the world. Cute. But "your" world is not important to me.
anyway, my problem is the following: I want long-term mmo's. years. So "play a little, pay a little, then quit" is not the advice I want to hear. I want to hear "stable payment, stable population, game improving and expanding". I don't want to see the volatility of F2Ps because they generally lack endgame.
I don't plan to play a game that once i'm doe leveling i'm done playing. I plan to play the game the same ammount if not more when i'm maxed. So I want to know how the endgame is. All I get from these forums about LotR endgame is that it is "not free".
so a F2P which does not include the part of the game i want...hmmm. The endgame IS the game to me. So my game isn't free-to-play at all, is it now.
and that's my problem with F2P. I dont care much for the first 20 levels or 2 weeks, I care more for the next 4 years. Are they also "free to play" ?
This is one of the things I find disappointing about what is considered endgame in most games - that there really is nothing to do but mindless repetition. The only game with an endgame that I have enjoyed was Shadowbane - because of what the endgame actually entailed.
Rushing through a bunch of levels to reach an endgame where you just repeat the same raids over and over is not really much of an engame. It means you are in a game lobby. You might as well just pick some FPS or RTS to play.
It should take longer to level. By the time you being to approach that "endgame", the next xpac should be coming out so that you do not reach it.
You will not finish EVE Online, and that is one of the greatest things it has to offer. It is an endless journey. It is not some rush to a game lobby...
You are absolutely right. I too have found that end game, many times, is very disappointing. Thats really the only reason why I play casually now with mmos. It just gets boreing. So, I unsub, play some console games, then hit it back a couple of months later. Rinse and Repeat.
Are people really complaining that endgame is not free? Or that the game is not tailored especially to their needs? Grow up ffs, the world doesn't revolve around you. If you have a problem with how much they offer for free then take your non-buisness elsewhere. This is like people complaining about McD only giving them Cheeseburgers for free, but they want big macs, so McD sucks and are greedy moneygrubbers and they will never eat there again. Could you imagine how devasteted McD would be?
Are people really complaining that endgame is not free? Or that the game is not tailored especially to their needs? Grow up ffs, the world doesn't revolve around you. If you have a problem with how much they offer for free then take your non-buisness elsewhere. This is like people complaining about McD only giving them Cheeseburgers for free, but they want big macs, so McD sucks and are greedy moneygrubbers and they will never eat there again. Could you imagine how devasteted McD would be?
People seem to think that turbine is a charity ...
Actually Turbine goes F2P because it actually increases their subscriptions. You CANT play the game without spending money. You are so gimped that nobody would want you in their group if you don't have a sub.
uh yes you can play. Go F2P do the starter area quests. grind mobs and do the Epic quest lines for money and gear , take money for mob ginding and buy crafted gear. Is it painfull and slow? yeah sure, can it be done also yes. Or you can pay the subscription for 15USD a month.
Double facepalm here also ....A company gives you a chance to really see everything in thier game up to the level 50 content for free and people bitch
Actually... I'm adding my complaint to the fray because I just logged in earlier to check it out, only to be told that content I already paid for with my initial purchase of the game has to be purchased *again* before I can do it. In some cases, it's quests I already had in progress in areas of the game that were in there from launch... like the Trollshaws. I actually have quests in-progress on my tracker that have icons showing that I have to unlock them before I can complete them. WTF?
I'm not even talking about areas that were patched in, or added in an expansion. I'm talking areas and content that was in from day 1 at launch.
That is called double-dipping, and it's BS. Free-To-Play my ass.
No it is not, before you had to pay a subscription to get into the game or you could not get in at all, now you get allot more for free than you did before.
Anyway you can get those content areas for free still, just grind deeds.
People are making such a freaking big deal about this crap. Why is everyone going crazy about F2P not being completely free...
If you think that's what this thread is about, you obviously haven't read this thread. Very few people expect F2P. All we expect is that prices not be raised 30% in the first few days after people have bought non-refundable points which are now worth 30% less.
Why respond if you've obviously not even read the OP? Is this just your standard cut and paste response to anyone's complaints about lotro's new direction? It really does not apply here.
For shits and giggles, I will respond to you though. You are obviously unfamiliar with how real F2P games work. F2P games have the entire game, including quests, available for free. They make money from convenience items, mounts, cosmetic items, buffs and the like. The VAST majority of people with experience in F2P games WILL expect all quests to be available for free, because in any game other than a Turbine game, that is what F2P MEANS. Gating quests behind a pay to play wall in a game described in all advertising as 'free to play' WILL cause conusing because it flies in the face of years of history and hundreds of free to play games and how that system has worked.
Are people really complaining that endgame is not free? Or that the game is not tailored especially to their needs? Grow up ffs, the world doesn't revolve around you. If you have a problem with how much they offer for free then take your non-buisness elsewhere. This is like people complaining about McD only giving them Cheeseburgers for free, but they want big macs, so McD sucks and are greedy moneygrubbers and they will never eat there again. Could you imagine how devasteted McD would be?
People seem to think that turbine is a charity ...
No, people seem to think that the game is actually F2P like every other F2P game out there is. Hmmmm, I wonder where they got this impression? Maybe it's the new million dollar advertising campaign Warner Bros has launced calling the game F2P. In F2P games, the quests and content are... ~gasp~ FREE. You pay for cosmetics, mounts, consumables, vault space, sometimes gear-related things. If you call your new product a steak when it's really a McDonalds cheeseburger, people will cry foul when they discover the rat meat.
Anyway, this topic has now drifted entirely off course. The OP and many pages were not about this game being real F2P or not (it's obviously not, both sides agree, so why argue?), it was about Turbine's slimy practice of jacking non-sale items prices up after people paid but before they could spend their points.
Are people really complaining that endgame is not free? Or that the game is not tailored especially to their needs? Grow up ffs, the world doesn't revolve around you. If you have a problem with how much they offer for free then take your non-buisness elsewhere. This is like people complaining about McD only giving them Cheeseburgers for free, but they want big macs, so McD sucks and are greedy moneygrubbers and they will never eat there again. Could you imagine how devasteted McD would be?
People seem to think that turbine is a charity ...
No, people seem to think that the game is actually F2P like every other F2P game out there is. Hmmmm, I wonder where they got this impression? Maybe it's the new million dollar advertising campaign Warner Bros has launced calling the game F2P. In F2P games, the quests and content are... ~gasp~ FREE. You pay for cosmetics, mounts, consumables, vault space, sometimes gear-related things. If you call your new product a steak when it's really a McDonalds cheeseburger, people will cry foul when they discover the rat meat.
Anyway, this topic has now drifted entirely off course. The OP and many pages were not about this game being real F2P or not (it's obviously not, both sides agree, so why argue?), it was about Turbine's slimy practice of jacking non-sale items prices up after people paid but before they could spend their points.
You can play the game totally for free
Just grind turbine points, they have enough to grind to get you all that.
Are people really complaining that endgame is not free? Or that the game is not tailored especially to their needs? Grow up ffs, the world doesn't revolve around you. If you have a problem with how much they offer for free then take your non-buisness elsewhere. This is like people complaining about McD only giving them Cheeseburgers for free, but they want big macs, so McD sucks and are greedy moneygrubbers and they will never eat there again. Could you imagine how devasteted McD would be?
People seem to think that turbine is a charity ...
No, people seem to think that the game is actually F2P like every other F2P game out there is. Hmmmm, I wonder where they got this impression? Maybe it's the new million dollar advertising campaign Warner Bros has launced calling the game F2P. In F2P games, the quests and content are... ~gasp~ FREE. You pay for cosmetics, mounts, consumables, vault space, sometimes gear-related things. If you call your new product a steak when it's really a McDonalds cheeseburger, people will cry foul when they discover the rat meat.
Anyway, this topic has now drifted entirely off course. The OP and many pages were not about this game being real F2P or not (it's obviously not, both sides agree, so why argue?), it was about Turbine's slimy practice of jacking non-sale items prices up after people paid but before they could spend their points.
You can play the game totally for free
Just grind turbine points, they have enough to grind to get you all that.
They tested this in beta (I was there) and there is NO way you can get all the quest content as F2P even if you make it your full-time job to grind out every deed and rep. Unless something has changed since then anyway, and so far the only thing that I've seen change is TP prices going UP, not down. Sure you can get SOME quest packs by spending hours grinding gray mobs for no/little XP. Keyword being SOME.
Having the ability to experience the majority of an AAA MMORPG title with no credit card or payment of any kind is the single greatest thing to happen to the industry in the last few years. The people who are complaining about having to someday pay for something - or grind for an obscene amount of time to obtain enough Turbine points to do the same - are missing the point completely.
This is not a demo. It is not a crippled experience (a la EQ2 Extended). This is an experience where you can play the epic storyline through to level 50. If you can't appreciate what is being offered, you're too jaded with the industry to matter anyhow.
or you could actually up to level 20 , mess around with the free stuff and subscribe to the game for 15 a month or whatever the rate is now if you like it...what a concept!
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For many people here claim they can play this game for free. I have no problem at all, you are FREE to try.
After a Second thought I should say AVOID THE STORE AT LEAST FOR NOW.
Good luck to everyone!
You are all just a bunch of teen girls going shopping at the mall. This is not a MMO or adventure.
Actually... I'm adding my complaint to the fray because I just logged in earlier to check it out, only to be told that content I already paid for with my initial purchase of the game has to be purchased *again* before I can do it. In some cases, it's quests I already had in progress in areas of the game that were in there from launch... like the Trollshaws. I actually have quests in-progress on my tracker that have icons showing that I have to unlock them before I can complete them. WTF?
I'm not even talking about areas that were patched in, or added in an expansion. I'm talking areas and content that was in from day 1 at launch.
That is called double-dipping, and it's BS. Free-To-Play my ass.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Shit I just downloaded 10gig nobodys gonna tell me to stop now !!!
is there really a level cap if your only on f2p
theres a level cap up to 65 for the fully equipped adventurer. or 50 for the non payer adventurer. 20ish for the player who wont do the grinding but wants to remain f2p
If you don't own the expansions the cap for a f2p player is 50. Don't get why people are complaining it really is cheaper to buy the individual zones as you go rather than pay 15 a month.
If you are referrring to the original SoM wasn't your purchase based on paying a monthly subscription fee to be able to do those quests ? If you have Mirkwood and Moria you should still have access to all those quest for your characters of high enough level in those zones. As far as teh original area you can stil log on and play the sae as the rest of the F2P players can't you?
I mean I purchased the original EQII box, and now EQII has a free to play option also but I can't even log onto my old server and play my old toons with that half assed system they came up with so in camparison Turbine is giving you a hell of a deal
There are 3 plans, choose the level of content you want, myself I think the old monthly fee is still the best deal.
I miss DAoC
While I agree that all Free 2 Play games need a way to make profit, I will personally not pay the high costs for any game on the market that uses Bag Storage, or scams of such. The only type of services I support are Free 2 Play games that require the purchase of extra storage for pay as you go, but also offer a simple $14.95 a month as a regular MMO which unlocks all storage slots across all characters, and other advanatges + Free 2 play items as well which you can purchase if you wish to do such. An example of a game that offers such is called Requiem.
So anyone who wants to debate free 2 play scams over a small monthly optional fee offers to such users if they choose, and a cash shop, then show them by simply not playing their game. I personally with all respects say that LOTR sucks because I played the Beta, and after the beta for awhile, I Quit. The Armors sucked, the game play was bad for this game, and I dont like it at all. I also played DDO which was not like the other DDO series, the map sucked, and all 100% Instanced, did not feel real at all to me. I refuse to play MMO like this, but this is my choice, and the only way to get F2P mmo to actually look at these things is to show them with your money, and dont buy into their 50% off scam then we increase price.
I was once a Combat Arms fan, I paid over $70 a month maxing out top gear everything until they added Specialists which were all over priced, and ruined mercenaries to the point with lack of customization, now I look at other free 2 play FPS games such as MAT Online, or other FPS games in general.
I also played Runes OF Magic until I saw that their bag spaces were a scam as well not unlocking across all accounts when purchased, if your only playing one character its fine.
There are also many other F2P mmo companies which imo are scams in some ways, just dont play it until they improve their game, thats all I can really say. OF course every game needs money, but milking the cows is not the way to do it, because those cows run out of milk really fast, and when there is no more milk you are not happy.
People are making such a freaking big deal about this crap. Why is everyone going crazy about F2P not being completely free... ok, So, act like you were running this company. Would you make a completely free game... WTF! lol
SIMPLE. If you like the game, play what you can for free then pay for it. Basically my limit is paying up to $15 a month, no matter what MMO it is, F2P or P2P. If 15 is not enough, then I say crap on it. LOTRO hasnt been a problem. If you enjoy the game you should be willing to invest a little money in it to keep the devs working. NO ONE WORKS FOR FREE!! Some people need to get that out of there head. If you beleive that it should be 100% free by all means please start working for a company that doesnt pay you and tell me if you would stay.
I assumed this would be from all the lag... Of which there is a lot. But seriously, stop whining everyone. This is one of the few situations where F2P won't kill your game. It didn't kill DDO. It won't kill WAR (is WAR going F2P?) or EQ2. It did, however fail to save Alganon. And it doomed Allods to a premature death.
Besides, a slew of new players means that there might be some population in the mid-level areas... Huzzah!
Important facts:
1. Free to Play games are poorly made.
2. Casuals are not all idiots, but idiots call themselves casuals.
3. Great solo and group content are not mutually exclusive, but they suffer when one is shoved into the mold of the other. The same is true of PvP and PvE.
4. Community is more important than you think.
OK, well I will give you that. They SHOULD say, Parts of this game are free to play... I dont give a crap. If you know mmos at all then you know that they arent going to be completely free. My point is if you enjoy it then play it and pay a little money. Notice how I said a little money. If the company went crazy and made me spend 15+ each month then I would quit. If you dont like it then just dont play and you did actually get a nice long trial.
And I dont beleive this is the only company that will suddenly raise their prices. It is a marketing strategy, and most companies that sell things or services will do that. Welcome to the world.
How are you bitching about something thats FREE? Pot calling the kettle black here. They're giving you a kickass game up to level 50 for absolutely no charge, yet you complain. They shouldn't do shit about prices. If they want to raise them, suck it, you can't do anything about it besides not playing (peace out, nobody cares if you cheap asshats leave).
and sloppy? maybe youre not playing the right game or your computer is a piece. Lotro is one of the most polished games on the market and Turbine has a great track record.
This is one of the things I find disappointing about what is considered endgame in most games - that there really is nothing to do but mindless repetition. The only game with an endgame that I have enjoyed was Shadowbane - because of what the endgame actually entailed.
Rushing through a bunch of levels to reach an endgame where you just repeat the same raids over and over is not really much of an engame. It means you are in a game lobby. You might as well just pick some FPS or RTS to play.
It should take longer to level. By the time you being to approach that "endgame", the next xpac should be coming out so that you do not reach it.
You will not finish EVE Online, and that is one of the greatest things it has to offer. It is an endless journey. It is not some rush to a game lobby...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
Then I dont understand why you are posting on here. This game is clearly not for you. DONT PLAY. And to answer your question, no it will not be free at end game. I suggest you go play WoW. Best stable game and so on. I always have to get my WoW fix in
But I, on the other hand, i need just the opposite. I need a game that I can casually play. And this fits it for ME. (for now, who knows later)
And I dont need an infinte knowledge to know that companies lower and raise prices. I was making a fact that all companies do that. This company will probably do the same. So dont buy the product, and wait for it to go down.
Too many people worry about playing MMOs. They want to make sure everything is right before playing. I play if I enjoy playing. Im not too worried about the future. I would rather play for when I am playing.
You are absolutely right. I too have found that end game, many times, is very disappointing. Thats really the only reason why I play casually now with mmos. It just gets boreing. So, I unsub, play some console games, then hit it back a couple of months later. Rinse and Repeat.
Are people really complaining that endgame is not free? Or that the game is not tailored especially to their needs? Grow up ffs, the world doesn't revolve around you. If you have a problem with how much they offer for free then take your non-buisness elsewhere. This is like people complaining about McD only giving them Cheeseburgers for free, but they want big macs, so McD sucks and are greedy moneygrubbers and they will never eat there again. Could you imagine how devasteted McD would be?
People seem to think that turbine is a charity ...
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
No it is not, before you had to pay a subscription to get into the game or you could not get in at all, now you get allot more for free than you did before.
Anyway you can get those content areas for free still, just grind deeds.
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
If you think that's what this thread is about, you obviously haven't read this thread. Very few people expect F2P. All we expect is that prices not be raised 30% in the first few days after people have bought non-refundable points which are now worth 30% less.
Why respond if you've obviously not even read the OP? Is this just your standard cut and paste response to anyone's complaints about lotro's new direction? It really does not apply here.
For shits and giggles, I will respond to you though. You are obviously unfamiliar with how real F2P games work. F2P games have the entire game, including quests, available for free. They make money from convenience items, mounts, cosmetic items, buffs and the like. The VAST majority of people with experience in F2P games WILL expect all quests to be available for free, because in any game other than a Turbine game, that is what F2P MEANS. Gating quests behind a pay to play wall in a game described in all advertising as 'free to play' WILL cause conusing because it flies in the face of years of history and hundreds of free to play games and how that system has worked.
No, people seem to think that the game is actually F2P like every other F2P game out there is. Hmmmm, I wonder where they got this impression? Maybe it's the new million dollar advertising campaign Warner Bros has launced calling the game F2P. In F2P games, the quests and content are... ~gasp~ FREE. You pay for cosmetics, mounts, consumables, vault space, sometimes gear-related things. If you call your new product a steak when it's really a McDonalds cheeseburger, people will cry foul when they discover the rat meat.
Anyway, this topic has now drifted entirely off course. The OP and many pages were not about this game being real F2P or not (it's obviously not, both sides agree, so why argue?), it was about Turbine's slimy practice of jacking non-sale items prices up after people paid but before they could spend their points.
You can play the game totally for free
Just grind turbine points, they have enough to grind to get you all that.
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They tested this in beta (I was there) and there is NO way you can get all the quest content as F2P even if you make it your full-time job to grind out every deed and rep. Unless something has changed since then anyway, and so far the only thing that I've seen change is TP prices going UP, not down. Sure you can get SOME quest packs by spending hours grinding gray mobs for no/little XP. Keyword being SOME.
Having the ability to experience the majority of an AAA MMORPG title with no credit card or payment of any kind is the single greatest thing to happen to the industry in the last few years. The people who are complaining about having to someday pay for something - or grind for an obscene amount of time to obtain enough Turbine points to do the same - are missing the point completely.
This is not a demo. It is not a crippled experience (a la EQ2 Extended). This is an experience where you can play the epic storyline through to level 50. If you can't appreciate what is being offered, you're too jaded with the industry to matter anyhow.
or you could actually up to level 20 , mess around with the free stuff and subscribe to the game for 15 a month or whatever the rate is now if you like it...what a concept!
I miss DAoC