"Thoes are some major features"(sic) - Mrbloodworth
Good cop, bad cop?
You guys need to get your stories straight.
It is more of the same systems, what i meant was, the varyations are all untested.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
VikingGamer mate give up, theres way too many trolls who only care about bashing other mmo's to somehow protect there curent mmo, rather than giving other games a chance, most of whom dont have the faintest idea what there talking about, they just want to bash. people who are genuily in beta and follow what news SE releases knew these changes were coming, trolls didnt want to listen to us when we said they were, now SE has said there coming, they still won't listen. FFXIV is going to be a success, not a wow success because no mmo ever will be agian, there is just too many to choose from, but it will do well, and i hope to spend some time with it.
Fans said "chill out, it is only beta, not everything is there."
Trolls said "but is is open beta. Open beta is a demo. Nothing will change before release."
SE announces "We will be changing a bunch of things for release, here is the list."
Fans say "You see?"
Trolls say "But the game still blows. It is only one week to release they can't get it done in time. They should have fixed this stuff in closed beta. They didn't fixe everything I wanted. I still don't like the controller design. Squenix is a stupid name. I am still butthurt. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"
Fans say "Whoa, back it up Tex. You said nothing significant was going to change that the open beta was a demo of the release product and since the beta blows the release is dooooomed. All we said was don't judge it too harshly yet, there will be big changes to the released product. This is how SE operates. It is normal for them. Now SE has made an announcment to that effect. Why can you just relax for a week and we will all see how it shakes out?
Trolls say "NEVER HAPPEN! ONE WEEK! OPEN BETA! IT BLOWS!" sticks fingers in ears "LALALALALALALALALALALALA!"
It seems as though the "trolls" and "haters" are doing more to get this game improved than the "fans." Squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that. Blindly accepting what a company gives you and scaring away any criticism does NOT help the game or the Devs that you claim to care about. This list of obvious improvements is one example.
um, misleading thread title. they've acknowledged ui/mouse issues for a while. They can say they will focus on it all they like, but it looks like the game will suck no less on release day.
There are already 3rd party patches that enable the hardware mouse, and it works just fine when you do. Go troll somewhere else.
For real. They're just scared to see that all their banter about the way the beta client sucked is finally paying off. In a way, their banter and trolling worked against them. I had a feeling we would get great news like this. I'm just glad our subscription payments go towards wonderful expansions in FFXI. I only hope they will operate the same way in FFXIV, but let's take this one step at a time. The game still has to be released ^^ Only then will the game get a fair judgement, as well as a chuck of minuses from all the trolls who have nothing better to do then rant about how great the games they play are just because you can jump. To each their own, this news kicks the trolls in the face, but they are too resilient and stubborn to quit trolling, so I guess they will have to work harder to find other minor details for their feeble attempts to make the game look unappealing. Please, troll somewhere else. If anything, I believe the beta was made available just to weed out the flaming tards in the first place.
um, misleading thread title. they've acknowledged ui/mouse issues for a while. They can say they will focus on it all they like, but it looks like the game will suck no less on release day.
There are already 3rd party patches that enable the hardware mouse, and it works just fine when you do. Go troll somewhere else.
For real. They're just scared to see that all their banter about the way the beta client sucked is finally paying off. In a way, their banter and trolling worked against them. I had a feeling we would get great news like this. I'm just glad our subscription payments go towards wonderful expansions in FFXI. I only hope they will operate the same way in FFXIV, but let's take this one step at a time. The game still has to be released ^^ Only then will the game get a fair judgement, as well as a chuck of minuses from all the trolls who have nothing better to do then rant about how great the games they play are just because you can jump. To each their own, this news kicks the trolls in the face, but they are too resilient and stubborn to quit trolling, so I guess they will have to work harder to find other minor details for their feeble attempts to make the game look unappealing. Please, troll somewhere else. If anything, I believe the beta was made available just to weed out the flaming tards in the first place.
So.. trolls complain about not having a hardware mouse implemented. SE Fixes it. Who is really helping the game develop here? The fanboi's who can see no wrong, or the trolls who point out the flaws?
um, misleading thread title. they've acknowledged ui/mouse issues for a while. They can say they will focus on it all they like, but it looks like the game will suck no less on release day.
There are already 3rd party patches that enable the hardware mouse, and it works just fine when you do. Go troll somewhere else.
For real. They're just scared to see that all their banter about the way the beta client sucked is finally paying off. In a way, their banter and trolling worked against them. I had a feeling we would get great news like this. I'm just glad our subscription payments go towards wonderful expansions in FFXI. I only hope they will operate the same way in FFXIV, but let's take this one step at a time. The game still has to be released ^^ Only then will the game get a fair judgement, as well as a chuck of minuses from all the trolls who have nothing better to do then rant about how great the games they play are just because you can jump. To each their own, this news kicks the trolls in the face, but they are too resilient and stubborn to quit trolling, so I guess they will have to work harder to find other minor details for their feeble attempts to make the game look unappealing. Please, troll somewhere else. If anything, I believe the beta was made available just to weed out the flaming tards in the first place.
So.. trolls complain about not having a hardware mouse implemented. SE Fixes it. Who is really helping the game develop here? The fanboi's who can see no wrong, or the trolls who point out the flaws?
I play without a mouse. It's easy enough. I did it that was in FFXI and I intend to do the same for FFXIV. If you want to take the George Bernard Shaw approach, then yes, trolls did help. But the multiple threads about how much the game sucks even though the thing hasn't even been released yet is a bit excessive. Besides, I think SE has better forums to check than this one. Why would they waste their time here?
So because we "knew" about the additional leves and the new region, and since NMs are appearantly an obvious extrapolation, therefore we don't get to count that toward the "changes" we expected to happen for release?
If we knew about this there should have never been any complaints about how the open beta would be just like the release version. You can't have it both ways.
As for diversity of leves, you are right. We don't know when which changes will happen. But the sword cuts both ways. We also don't know which of those changes will be in place at the time of the release either. The best move might be to wait and see what happens. I don't think anyone is claiming that everything will be perfect and in place on release date. Just that a lot will be changed.
I still don't think you can rightly claim that it is mostly tweaks.
um, misleading thread title. they've acknowledged ui/mouse issues for a while. They can say they will focus on it all they like, but it looks like the game will suck no less on release day.
There are already 3rd party patches that enable the hardware mouse, and it works just fine when you do. Go troll somewhere else.
For real. They're just scared to see that all their banter about the way the beta client sucked is finally paying off. In a way, their banter and trolling worked against them. I had a feeling we would get great news like this. I'm just glad our subscription payments go towards wonderful expansions in FFXI. I only hope they will operate the same way in FFXIV, but let's take this one step at a time. The game still has to be released ^^ Only then will the game get a fair judgement, as well as a chuck of minuses from all the trolls who have nothing better to do then rant about how great the games they play are just because you can jump. To each their own, this news kicks the trolls in the face, but they are too resilient and stubborn to quit trolling, so I guess they will have to work harder to find other minor details for their feeble attempts to make the game look unappealing. Please, troll somewhere else. If anything, I believe the beta was made available just to weed out the flaming tards in the first place.
So.. trolls complain about not having a hardware mouse implemented. SE Fixes it. Who is really helping the game develop here? The fanboi's who can see no wrong, or the trolls who point out the flaws?
I play without a mouse. It's easy enough. I did it that was in FFXI and I intend to do the same for FFXIV. If you want to take the George Bernard Shaw approach, then yes, trolls did help. But the multiple threads about how much the game sucks even though the thing hasn't even been released yet is a bit excessive. Besides, I think SE has better forums to check than this one. Why would they waste their time here?
This isn't the only forum that protests the hardware mouse. FFXIVCore has a lot of threads on the issue, it's popped up on the CB Beta forums multiple times. When I was speaking about forums, I meant forums, not MMORPG.
So because we "knew" about the additional leves and the new region, and since NMs are appearantly an obvious extrapolation, therefore we don't get to count that toward the "changes" we expected to happen for release?
If we knew about this there should have never been any complaints about how the open beta would be just like the release version. You can't have it both ways.
As for diversity of leves, you are right. We don't know when which changes will happen. But the sword cuts both ways. We also don't know which of those changes will be in place at the time of the release either. The best move might be to wait and see what happens. I don't think anyone is claiming that everything will be perfect and in place on release date. Just that a lot will be changed.
I still don't think you can rightly claim that it is mostly tweaks.
Yes, anyone who has been paying attention through the various beta stages knew areas were locked, and from that understood there would be leve's in them. Just as there will be the continuation of the story arc. Mostly people have been saying not to expect the sudden addition of a fully blown quest system, which is something SE aren't claiming, but fanbois insisted they would.
A mob is a mob, so unless these NMs have some required tactic to down them, then they are nothing more than a cool looking mob with more HP than normal. We'll see, bascially. Although my cards are on tanking and spanking tougher mobs. The more complex ones are likely to be within the story arc. I've also seen hardly anyone bad mouth the story arc, which already offers a diversity in objectives.
The complaints around open beta are still just as valid as for retail, as fundamently the game isn't changing much. Its still, story arc or leves for combat leveling. Leves are still just an easy way to grind, as they spawn and lock mobs to those triggering them. Most seem to think the game has a decent crafting system, so these tweaks will only add to it. Come launch day, nobody is going to feel like they are playing a significanly different game, just a somewhat improved one. That is why people's views are unlikely to change, as there's a full spectrum of issues people haven't liked. These changes and odd additions are being made in the right direction. However if they had listened back in closed beta they'd be much further ahead, and there'd probably be more people happy with the game. Now is simply to late, the damage is done. Now that they are listening what's really needed is for the release date to be delayed, and for them to then come back with another open beta down the line.
um, misleading thread title. they've acknowledged ui/mouse issues for a while. They can say they will focus on it all they like, but it looks like the game will suck no less on release day.
There are already 3rd party patches that enable the hardware mouse, and it works just fine when you do. Go troll somewhere else.
For real. They're just scared to see that all their banter about the way the beta client sucked is finally paying off. In a way, their banter and trolling worked against them. I had a feeling we would get great news like this. I'm just glad our subscription payments go towards wonderful expansions in FFXI. I only hope they will operate the same way in FFXIV, but let's take this one step at a time. The game still has to be released ^^ Only then will the game get a fair judgement, as well as a chuck of minuses from all the trolls who have nothing better to do then rant about how great the games they play are just because you can jump. To each their own, this news kicks the trolls in the face, but they are too resilient and stubborn to quit trolling, so I guess they will have to work harder to find other minor details for their feeble attempts to make the game look unappealing. Please, troll somewhere else. If anything, I believe the beta was made available just to weed out the flaming tards in the first place.
So.. trolls complain about not having a hardware mouse implemented. SE Fixes it. Who is really helping the game develop here? The fanboi's who can see no wrong, or the trolls who point out the flaws?
I play without a mouse. It's easy enough. I did it that was in FFXI and I intend to do the same for FFXIV. If you want to take the George Bernard Shaw approach, then yes, trolls did help. But the multiple threads about how much the game sucks even though the thing hasn't even been released yet is a bit excessive. Besides, I think SE has better forums to check than this one. Why would they waste their time here?
This isn't the only forum that protests the hardware mouse. FFXIVCore has a lot of threads on the issue, it's popped up on the CB Beta forums multiple times. When I was speaking about forums, I meant forums, not MMORPG.
Glad we could clear that up. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll continue to play without a mouse out of pure enjoyment just because I can. No troll is going to control my destiny as to what I play. I think that's what a wife is for. Have fun bud.
Fans said "chill out, it is only beta, not everything is there."
Trolls said "but is is open beta. Open beta is a demo. Nothing will change before release."
SE announces "We will be changing a bunch of things for release, here is the list."
Fans say "You see?"
Trolls say "But the game still blows. It is only one week to release they can't get it done in time. They should have fixed this stuff in closed beta. They didn't fixe everything I wanted. I still don't like the controller design. Squenix is a stupid name. I am still butthurt. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"
Fans say "Whoa, back it up Tex. You said nothing significant was going to change that the open beta was a demo of the release product and since the beta blows the release is dooooomed. All we said was don't judge it too harshly yet, there will be big changes to the released product. This is how SE operates. It is normal for them. Now SE has made an announcment to that effect. Why can you just relax for a week and we will all see how it shakes out?
Trolls say "NEVER HAPPEN! ONE WEEK! OPEN BETA! IT BLOWS!" sticks fingers in ears "LALALALALALALALALALALALA!"
Fans, /facepalm
This is a very accurate summary of the last two weeks of the forums for FFXIV on this website.
um, misleading thread title. they've acknowledged ui/mouse issues for a while. They can say they will focus on it all they like, but it looks like the game will suck no less on release day.
There are already 3rd party patches that enable the hardware mouse, and it works just fine when you do. Go troll somewhere else.
For real. They're just scared to see that all their banter about the way the beta client sucked is finally paying off. In a way, their banter and trolling worked against them. I had a feeling we would get great news like this. I'm just glad our subscription payments go towards wonderful expansions in FFXI. I only hope they will operate the same way in FFXIV, but let's take this one step at a time. The game still has to be released ^^ Only then will the game get a fair judgement, as well as a chuck of minuses from all the trolls who have nothing better to do then rant about how great the games they play are just because you can jump. To each their own, this news kicks the trolls in the face, but they are too resilient and stubborn to quit trolling, so I guess they will have to work harder to find other minor details for their feeble attempts to make the game look unappealing. Please, troll somewhere else. If anything, I believe the beta was made available just to weed out the flaming tards in the first place.
So.. trolls complain about not having a hardware mouse implemented. SE Fixes it. Who is really helping the game develop here? The fanboi's who can see no wrong, or the trolls who point out the flaws?
I would say its those of us in the middle who WANT the game to succeed, but recognize the problems and provide constructive feedback.
Not the people who claim doom and gloom because they've decided they don't like the game, and then start posting that the game is horrible because someone copy/pasted in the design process (for example.)
Not the people who would insist that the game was the best thing since slice bread if Square decided to take a dump on that bread and feed it to them.
But those of us in the middle who care about the game, but are smart enough to recognize its shortcomings.
So.. trolls complain about not having a hardware mouse implemented. SE Fixes it. Who is really helping the game develop here? The fanboi's who can see no wrong, or the trolls who point out the flaws?
I would say its those of us in the middle who WANT the game to succeed, but recognize the problems and provide constructive feedback.
Not the people who claim doom and gloom because they've decided they don't like the game, and then start posting that the game is horrible because someone copy/pasted in the design process (for example.)
Not the people who would insist that the game was the best thing since slice bread if Square decided to take a dump on that bread and feed it to them.
But those of us in the middle who care about the game, but are smart enough to recognize its shortcomings.
This ^
In my opinion, just ignoring an issue because you want to like a game does no good for the game, yourself, or the community. Just like pronouncing a game "fail" just because you don't like the game or something in the game or because bugs exist in beta does not help anyone either.
However, exploring and discussing various aspects of a game both positive and negative, can be very constructive and beneficial, without making someone a troll or a fanboy.
In addition to what was announced here today, we are also planning massively multiplayer battles.
There currently exist several class abilities which may have players scratching their heads as to how they are to be used. Many of these were designed with PVP in mind. While we cannot reveal much regarding PvP now, we have some exciting announcements planned for the near future."
In addition to what was announced here today, we are also planning massively multiplayer battles.
There currently exist several class abilities which may have players scratching their heads as to how they are to be used. Many of these were designed with PVP in mind. While we cannot reveal much regarding PvP now, we have some exciting announcements planned for the near future."
HAH!
To be honest I'm not sure that is a wise move. They have a lot of work to do on making the game work smoothly on anything but high spec machines. Adding large scales battles is only going to make the situation worse.
Its a good thing they are planning it, but they have a hell of a lot tuning required to actually make it playable.
They'd be better off focusing on end game PvE in the immediate future.
In addition to what was announced here today, we are also planning massively multiplayer battles.
There currently exist several class abilities which may have players scratching their heads as to how they are to be used. Many of these were designed with PVP in mind. While we cannot reveal much regarding PvP now, we have some exciting announcements planned for the near future."
HAH!
To be honest I'm not sure that is a wise move. They have a lot of work to do on making the game work smoothly on anything but high spec machines. Adding large scales battles is only going to make the situation worse.
Its a good thing they are planning it, but they have a hell of a lot tuning required to actually make it playable.
They'd be better off focusing on end game PvE in the immediate future.
Isn't your half-empty glass completely empty at this point? Wow, we could obtain world peace and you'd be the first to say "it's not going to last."
Why is there so much darkness in your world. Why don't you smile, sing a happy song, and walk down the street, randomly saying hello to people. That should be a good start.
In addition to what was announced here today, we are also planning massively multiplayer battles.
There currently exist several class abilities which may have players scratching their heads as to how they are to be used. Many of these were designed with PVP in mind. While we cannot reveal much regarding PvP now, we have some exciting announcements planned for the near future."
HAH!
To be honest I'm not sure that is a wise move. They have a lot of work to do on making the game work smoothly on anything but high spec machines. Adding large scales battles is only going to make the situation worse.
Its a good thing they are planning it, but they have a hell of a lot tuning required to actually make it playable.
They'd be better off focusing on end game PvE in the immediate future.
Isn't your half-empty glass completely empty at this point? Wow, we could obtain world peace and you'd be the first to say "it's not going to last."
Why is there so much darkness in your world. Why don't you smile, sing a happy song, and walk down the street, randomly saying hello to people. That should be a good start.
Half empty or half full, is still in the middle. Honestly, do you really think the client (or servers interaction) can handle such a feature, and for it to be playable? That being based on all the performance issues people have been having.
Its a nice feature to have, but its rushing to far ahead. The game is crying out for polish, along with leveling and end game content more than anything.
In addition to what was announced here today, we are also planning massively multiplayer battles.
There currently exist several class abilities which may have players scratching their heads as to how they are to be used. Many of these were designed with PVP in mind. While we cannot reveal much regarding PvP now, we have some exciting announcements planned for the near future."
HAH!
To be honest I'm not sure that is a wise move. They have a lot of work to do on making the game work smoothly on anything but high spec machines. Adding large scales battles is only going to make the situation worse.
Its a good thing they are planning it, but they have a hell of a lot tuning required to actually make it playable.
They'd be better off focusing on end game PvE in the immediate future.
Isn't your half-empty glass completely empty at this point? Wow, we could obtain world peace and you'd be the first to say "it's not going to last."
Why is there so much darkness in your world. Why don't you smile, sing a happy song, and walk down the street, randomly saying hello to people. That should be a good start.
Half empty or half full, is still in the middle. Honestly, do you really think the client (or servers interaction) can handle such a feature, and for it to be playable? That being based on all the performance issues people have been having.
Its a nice feature to have, but its rushing to far ahead.
FFXI is the only thing you need to know. That game played well. SE is good about slowly, but surely perfecting a game.
The fact that they had this release of info a week before release shows they are listening and working hard. SE has a good track record, unlike any other mmo developer other than (Turbine/blizzard), so yeah, I definetely think they can do it.
And to those people who are saying release the game 3 months later..... WHY WHY WHY. I'd rather get a head start on parts of the game that are complete so that I can take advantage of the chagnes the make along the way. If that's a problem for you, just wait 3 months, but why would you make me wait 3 months as well?
So because we "knew" about the additional leves and the new region, and since NMs are appearantly an obvious extrapolation, therefore we don't get to count that toward the "changes" we expected to happen for release?
If we knew about this there should have never been any complaints about how the open beta would be just like the release version. You can't have it both ways.
As for diversity of leves, you are right. We don't know when which changes will happen. But the sword cuts both ways. We also don't know which of those changes will be in place at the time of the release either. The best move might be to wait and see what happens. I don't think anyone is claiming that everything will be perfect and in place on release date. Just that a lot will be changed.
I still don't think you can rightly claim that it is mostly tweaks.
Yes, anyone who has been paying attention through the various beta stages knew areas were locked, and from that understood there would be leve's in them. Just as there will be the continuation of the story arc. Mostly people have been saying not to expect the sudden addition of a fully blown quest system, which is something SE aren't claiming, but fanbois insisted they would.
A mob is a mob, so unless these NMs have some required tactic to down them, then they are nothing more than a cool looking mob with more HP than normal. We'll see, bascially. Although my cards are on tanking and spanking tougher mobs. The more complex ones are likely to be within the story arc. I've also seen hardly anyone bad mouth the story arc, which already offers a diversity in objectives.
The complaints around open beta are still just as valid as for retail, as fundamently the game isn't changing much. Its still, story arc or leves for combat leveling. Leves are still just an easy way to grind, as they spawn and lock mobs to those triggering them. Most seem to think the game has a decent crafting system, so these tweaks will only add to it. Come launch day, nobody is going to feel like they are playing a significanly different game, just a somewhat improved one. That is why people's views are unlikely to change, as there's a full spectrum of issues people haven't liked. These changes and odd additions are being made in the right direction. However if they had listened back in closed beta they'd be much further ahead, and there'd probably be more people happy with the game. Now is simply to late, the damage is done. Now that they are listening what's really needed is for the release date to be delayed, and for them to then come back with another open beta down the line.
I must congratulate you on sucessfully trolling me down. You have deftly backed me into a corner from which I cannot argue your point... without repeating myself. You win the "could argue water back into the tap" award. You would make a fine lawyer or politician.
And to those people who are saying release the game 3 months later..... WHY WHY WHY. I'd rather get a head start on parts of the game that are complete so that I can take advantage of the chagnes the make along the way. If that's a problem for you, just wait 3 months, but why would you make me wait 3 months as well?
For one simple fact, that being first impressions. Releasing a game that most feel is substandard will mean they'll walk away and never look back. Very few return to a game if its left a bad taste.
As some others have said, there's people hear because they wanted the game to be successful. That's why they suggest a delay, so that SE can bring up the standard.
To be honest I'm not sure that is a wise move. They have a lot of work to do on making the game work smoothly on anything but high spec machines. Adding large scales battles is only going to make the situation worse.
Its a good thing they are planning it, but they have a hell of a lot tuning required to actually make it playable.
They'd be better off focusing on end game PvE in the immediate future.
Amazingly, I agree with you here. It was bound to happen sooner or alter though.
Physical stats affect crafting? Very nice idea and certainly not done in many MMOs that I know of, so that's pretty innovative for people who say FF games aren't.
NMs, HUGE NMs!
Hardware mouse fix!
Chopping of mob parts to make monsters weaker and then taking them? I love that idea and certainly reminds me of Fallout and the FF console games.
Bump up to anima teleporting, lowering of Guildleves... holy crap.
Ok, who was that whining that SE doesn't listen to what people want for FFXIV?
All trolls.. you can leave the building now. Nothing to see here so go camp another game in hopes of a trainwreck, lol.
And to those people who are saying release the game 3 months later..... WHY WHY WHY. I'd rather get a head start on parts of the game that are complete so that I can take advantage of the chagnes the make along the way. If that's a problem for you, just wait 3 months, but why would you make me wait 3 months as well?
For one simple fact, that being first impressions. Releasing a game that most feel is substandard will mean they'll walk away and never look back. Very few return to a game if its left a bad taste.
As some others have said, there's people hear because they wanted the game to be successful. That's why they suggest a delay, so that SE can bring up the standard.
Finicky players have never been SE's/FF's base. An MMO is NEVER finished. At some point, you have to release the game. The game's release date is perfect because it has zero competition for the next 3-6 months. Release it any later and you face the release of the AAA titles next year.
There's plenty of things to do in the game for the next 3-6 months. Things have changed so much in terms of performance in the last two weeks, can you imagin the changes and stability in the next 3-6 months?
The release date and the state of the game is fine as is. Not perfect, but a great start.
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It is more of the same systems, what i meant was, the varyations are all untested.
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"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
VikingGamer mate give up, theres way too many trolls who only care about bashing other mmo's to somehow protect there curent mmo, rather than giving other games a chance, most of whom dont have the faintest idea what there talking about, they just want to bash. people who are genuily in beta and follow what news SE releases knew these changes were coming, trolls didnt want to listen to us when we said they were, now SE has said there coming, they still won't listen. FFXIV is going to be a success, not a wow success because no mmo ever will be agian, there is just too many to choose from, but it will do well, and i hope to spend some time with it.
this ^^
It seems as though the "trolls" and "haters" are doing more to get this game improved than the "fans." Squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that. Blindly accepting what a company gives you and scaring away any criticism does NOT help the game or the Devs that you claim to care about. This list of obvious improvements is one example.
For real. They're just scared to see that all their banter about the way the beta client sucked is finally paying off. In a way, their banter and trolling worked against them. I had a feeling we would get great news like this. I'm just glad our subscription payments go towards wonderful expansions in FFXI. I only hope they will operate the same way in FFXIV, but let's take this one step at a time. The game still has to be released ^^ Only then will the game get a fair judgement, as well as a chuck of minuses from all the trolls who have nothing better to do then rant about how great the games they play are just because you can jump. To each their own, this news kicks the trolls in the face, but they are too resilient and stubborn to quit trolling, so I guess they will have to work harder to find other minor details for their feeble attempts to make the game look unappealing. Please, troll somewhere else. If anything, I believe the beta was made available just to weed out the flaming tards in the first place.
So.. trolls complain about not having a hardware mouse implemented. SE Fixes it. Who is really helping the game develop here? The fanboi's who can see no wrong, or the trolls who point out the flaws?
He who keeps his cool best wins.
I play without a mouse. It's easy enough. I did it that was in FFXI and I intend to do the same for FFXIV. If you want to take the George Bernard Shaw approach, then yes, trolls did help. But the multiple threads about how much the game sucks even though the thing hasn't even been released yet is a bit excessive. Besides, I think SE has better forums to check than this one. Why would they waste their time here?
So because we "knew" about the additional leves and the new region, and since NMs are appearantly an obvious extrapolation, therefore we don't get to count that toward the "changes" we expected to happen for release?
If we knew about this there should have never been any complaints about how the open beta would be just like the release version. You can't have it both ways.
As for diversity of leves, you are right. We don't know when which changes will happen. But the sword cuts both ways. We also don't know which of those changes will be in place at the time of the release either. The best move might be to wait and see what happens. I don't think anyone is claiming that everything will be perfect and in place on release date. Just that a lot will be changed.
I still don't think you can rightly claim that it is mostly tweaks.
All die, so die well.
This isn't the only forum that protests the hardware mouse. FFXIVCore has a lot of threads on the issue, it's popped up on the CB Beta forums multiple times. When I was speaking about forums, I meant forums, not MMORPG.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Yes, anyone who has been paying attention through the various beta stages knew areas were locked, and from that understood there would be leve's in them. Just as there will be the continuation of the story arc. Mostly people have been saying not to expect the sudden addition of a fully blown quest system, which is something SE aren't claiming, but fanbois insisted they would.
A mob is a mob, so unless these NMs have some required tactic to down them, then they are nothing more than a cool looking mob with more HP than normal. We'll see, bascially. Although my cards are on tanking and spanking tougher mobs. The more complex ones are likely to be within the story arc. I've also seen hardly anyone bad mouth the story arc, which already offers a diversity in objectives.
The complaints around open beta are still just as valid as for retail, as fundamently the game isn't changing much. Its still, story arc or leves for combat leveling. Leves are still just an easy way to grind, as they spawn and lock mobs to those triggering them. Most seem to think the game has a decent crafting system, so these tweaks will only add to it. Come launch day, nobody is going to feel like they are playing a significanly different game, just a somewhat improved one. That is why people's views are unlikely to change, as there's a full spectrum of issues people haven't liked. These changes and odd additions are being made in the right direction. However if they had listened back in closed beta they'd be much further ahead, and there'd probably be more people happy with the game. Now is simply to late, the damage is done. Now that they are listening what's really needed is for the release date to be delayed, and for them to then come back with another open beta down the line.
Glad we could clear that up. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll continue to play without a mouse out of pure enjoyment just because I can. No troll is going to control my destiny as to what I play. I think that's what a wife is for. Have fun bud.
This is a very accurate summary of the last two weeks of the forums for FFXIV on this website.
I would say its those of us in the middle who WANT the game to succeed, but recognize the problems and provide constructive feedback.
Not the people who claim doom and gloom because they've decided they don't like the game, and then start posting that the game is horrible because someone copy/pasted in the design process (for example.)
Not the people who would insist that the game was the best thing since slice bread if Square decided to take a dump on that bread and feed it to them.
But those of us in the middle who care about the game, but are smart enough to recognize its shortcomings.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
This ^
In my opinion, just ignoring an issue because you want to like a game does no good for the game, yourself, or the community. Just like pronouncing a game "fail" just because you don't like the game or something in the game or because bugs exist in beta does not help anyone either.
However, exploring and discussing various aspects of a game both positive and negative, can be very constructive and beneficial, without making someone a troll or a fanboy.
"Post-Release
In addition to what was announced here today, we are also planning massively multiplayer battles.
There currently exist several class abilities which may have players scratching their heads as to how they are to be used. Many of these were designed with PVP in mind. While we cannot reveal much regarding PvP now, we have some exciting announcements planned for the near future."
HAH!
To be honest I'm not sure that is a wise move. They have a lot of work to do on making the game work smoothly on anything but high spec machines. Adding large scales battles is only going to make the situation worse.
Its a good thing they are planning it, but they have a hell of a lot tuning required to actually make it playable.
They'd be better off focusing on end game PvE in the immediate future.
Isn't your half-empty glass completely empty at this point? Wow, we could obtain world peace and you'd be the first to say "it's not going to last."
Why is there so much darkness in your world. Why don't you smile, sing a happy song, and walk down the street, randomly saying hello to people. That should be a good start.
Half empty or half full, is still in the middle. Honestly, do you really think the client (or servers interaction) can handle such a feature, and for it to be playable? That being based on all the performance issues people have been having.
Its a nice feature to have, but its rushing to far ahead. The game is crying out for polish, along with leveling and end game content more than anything.
FFXI is the only thing you need to know. That game played well. SE is good about slowly, but surely perfecting a game.
The fact that they had this release of info a week before release shows they are listening and working hard. SE has a good track record, unlike any other mmo developer other than (Turbine/blizzard), so yeah, I definetely think they can do it.
And to those people who are saying release the game 3 months later..... WHY WHY WHY. I'd rather get a head start on parts of the game that are complete so that I can take advantage of the chagnes the make along the way. If that's a problem for you, just wait 3 months, but why would you make me wait 3 months as well?
I must congratulate you on sucessfully trolling me down. You have deftly backed me into a corner from which I cannot argue your point... without repeating myself. You win the "could argue water back into the tap" award. You would make a fine lawyer or politician.
All die, so die well.
For one simple fact, that being first impressions. Releasing a game that most feel is substandard will mean they'll walk away and never look back. Very few return to a game if its left a bad taste.
As some others have said, there's people hear because they wanted the game to be successful. That's why they suggest a delay, so that SE can bring up the standard.
Amazingly, I agree with you here. It was bound to happen sooner or alter though.
All die, so die well.
Lol. Well (anyway) for the record I wasn't classing our discussion as an argument. Just as it was, a discussion.
Good God, that's a load of goodie changes!
Physical stats affect crafting? Very nice idea and certainly not done in many MMOs that I know of, so that's pretty innovative for people who say FF games aren't.
NMs, HUGE NMs!
Hardware mouse fix!
Chopping of mob parts to make monsters weaker and then taking them? I love that idea and certainly reminds me of Fallout and the FF console games.
Bump up to anima teleporting, lowering of Guildleves... holy crap.
Ok, who was that whining that SE doesn't listen to what people want for FFXIV?
All trolls.. you can leave the building now. Nothing to see here so go camp another game in hopes of a trainwreck, lol.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Finicky players have never been SE's/FF's base. An MMO is NEVER finished. At some point, you have to release the game. The game's release date is perfect because it has zero competition for the next 3-6 months. Release it any later and you face the release of the AAA titles next year.
There's plenty of things to do in the game for the next 3-6 months. Things have changed so much in terms of performance in the last two weeks, can you imagin the changes and stability in the next 3-6 months?
The release date and the state of the game is fine as is. Not perfect, but a great start.