OK, so you start off by saying you don't believe your opinion is better than anyone elses, then you completely contradict yourself by saying that some people have bad opinions. Well done.
Your continued inability to comprehend what you read is quite spectacular. I don't mind spelling the obvious out to someone once, but to further spell out the obvious of the already spelled out obviousness is a bit overboard. I'll just let you figure it out by yourself since you seem to need a little practice. I have faith in you though!
Originally posted by sschrupp Originally posted by firemagic OK, so you start off by saying you don't believe your opinion is better than anyone elses, then you completely contradict yourself by saying that some people have bad opinions. Well done. Your continued inability to comprehend what you read is quite spectacular. I don't mind spelling the obvious out to someone once, but to further spell out the obvious of the already spelled out obviousness is a bit overboard. I'll just let you figure it out by yourself since you seem to need a little practice. I have faith in you though!
Now actually try to counter what I said instead of continuing to use awkward insults to shield the fact that you have nothing to say.
You said you don't believe your opinion to be better than anyone elses, then you said some people have bad opinions. You're contradicting yourself.
I guess you're gonna have to clarify your stance, and since I'm in a good mood I'll make it nice and simple for you. You can have it one of two ways, but not both ways. Pick one:
Option A - You don't consider your opinion to be more valid than certain other peoples opinions.
Option B - You do consider your opinion to be more valid than certain other peoples opinions.
Ok I see what the problem is. I stated that there are sometimes bad opinions when it comes to reviewing things, ones that have nothing given to back them up. For instance, Bobby rates a movie he saw on a popular movie reviewing website with a (1) and as a reason states, "That movie was the worst one in the world OMGZ0rz!!!". Of course we all recognize that in Bobby's opinion that movie was the worst one in the world. However, Bobby didn't provide us with any input as to why he believed that in all the world there are no movies worse than that one. We are just expected to take his word for it and not go see the movie because Bobby says so. To me, that would be a poorly stated opinion that holds no water and should be completely disregarded by anyone of even slight intelligence. So to put it simply, a bad opinion.
Now if Judy comes along and rates the same movie a (1) and states, "Although the cast contained some incredible actors, the director did a horrible job of giving direction. The plot jumped around with no apparant pattern, seeming to tell three totally unrelated stories. The ending of the movie simply stopped midscene leaving the audience feel.... blahblahblah". Now here we see that Judy hated the movie, but she also told us exactly why she hated it. And because she actually gave us reasons, we can make a decision as to whether we would like or dislike it. To me, that is a GOOD opinion.
Does that clear it up for you? I mentioned many people just simply click 10s on games because they want it to have a good score and never actually present a good reason for their opinion. So yes, I suppose in that case I do believe my opinion is more valid than theirs in that case. Mainly because I do actually present an opinion that others can react to in an informed manner. For someone to simply click 10, 10, 10, 9, 10, is not an opinion, and yet it still counts as a review and makes a game look better than it actually is.
Originally posted by sschrupp Ok I see what the problem is. I stated that there are sometimes bad opinions when it comes to reviewing things, ones that have nothing given to back them up. For instance, Bobby rates a movie he saw on a popular movie reviewing website with a (1) and as a reason states, "That movie was the worst one in the world OMGZ0rz!!!". Of course we all recognize that in Bobby's opinion that movie was the worst one in the world. However, Bobby didn't provide us with any input as to why he believed that in all the world there are no movies worse than that one. We are just expected to take his word for it and not go see the movie because Bobby says so. To me, that would be a poorly stated opinion that holds no water and should be completely disregarded by anyone of even slight intelligence. So to put it simply, a bad opinion. Now if Judy comes along and rates the same movie a (1) and states, "Although the cast contained some incredible actors, the director did a horrible job of giving direction. The plot jumped around with no apparant pattern, seeming to tell three totally unrelated stories. The ending of the movie simply stopped midscene leaving the audience feel.... blahblahblah". Now here we see that Judy hated the movie, but she also told us exactly why she hated it. And because she actually gave us reasons, we can make a decision as to whether we would like or dislike it. To me, that is a GOOD opinion. Does that clear it up for you? I mentioned many people just simply click 10s on games because they want it to have a good score and never actually present a good reason for their opinion. So yes, I suppose in that case I do believe my opinion is more valid than theirs in that case. Mainly because I do actually present an opinion that others can react to in an informed manner. For someone to simply click 10, 10, 10, 9, 10, is not an opinion, and yet it still counts as a review and makes a game look better than it actually is.
Yes, that clears it up, all except the last sentence. A game can never look better than it "actually is", because how good a game is is entirely down to the individual's personal opinion.
You personally believe that people who rate a game with all 10's have an invalid opinion. I personally disagree. If someone is so bowled over by any given game that they rate it all tens, then they are using the rating system to make a statement, along the lines of "This is the best game I've ever played and I can't imagine anything better". There is no law that states that you need to make an entirely objective analysis on each of the seperate constituents of the rating system (graphics, community, etc). If someone rates a game all tens, then that's how they feel about the game, and in my opinion their opinion is as valid as your opinion.
That said, you seem certain that WoW's rating is so high because a lot of people have rated it all (or mostly) tens. Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is it just a baseless assumption?
Well I personally have no use for reviews .There is always a catch.
It is always made by a player trying to put down the game or beef it up.
Even the offical review on this site seems to be basically a overpraise for the game as far as making excuses for blizzard which was kind of weird(all respect to koltrane ).
It also goes the other way,some people who never touch the game will just put the game down for some delusional reason that people will quit the game enmass and run to game B.
Originally posted by Kendal I read the first few reviews on the main section of WoW and I was outraged. Isn't it a bit obvious that these people are straight from the EQ payroll. Look at these quotes: On Apr 8, 2005 Morocotopo wrote: The game is kinda fun, until you get to the max level (which doesn't take long). The customer service is AWFULL, and the servers lack stability. On Apr 8, 2005 havocthefirs wrote: They should rename it to everygame, because its the same as all the rest. Also why not make the avatars invisible, after all your armor counts for well over half your stats. Just another gutless game, risk nothing get everything in return. No working economy, No housing, no content. Its a shame they dont have goose egg as a rating, thats what it deserves. After 3 months you cant bring yourself to log on, it starts to fell like a job. If your looking for long term fum look elsewhere.
--------------------------------------- Can this be ANY MORE obvious. Clearly WoW is far superior to any MMORPG out there...ever. I find it extrememly fun to play--whether I'm grinding with buddies, questing, or auctioning goods at the auction house (a fantastic in-game ebay). I don't know what evercrack these guys are smoking, but what could he mean by, "...kinda fun, until you get to the max level (which doesn't take long)." Are you high. How long do you guys play a day--10 hours? Maybe THEN it would still take months to get to level cap. But the majority of people I've talked to on forums are 18-30, and we have full-time jobs. I've been playing for almost a month, and I'm only at lvl 20. And it's starting to take a lot longer to lvl up now...
These people must have been payed to say these things. I would like them to explain to me which mmorpg IS worth buying; since WoW is so UN-fun, I wonder which game they DO play.
Don't be swayed by these ludicrous statements--WoW is fantastic, and that is why it's #1.
Originally posted by stormfrog World of Warcraft is alot of things. Im a die hard WoW fanatic. But Ill give you my most basic opinions about this game: What WoW is: + Hillarious + Casual + Hell bent on balance + Extremely detailed What WoW isnt: - Licensed with the Unreal Engine - Hell bent serious (etc EQ2) - The revolution of MMO's - D&D semi-ripoff Ive played MMO's for the last 10 years. WoW has humor, a VERY unique graphical style and design concept that follows every single detail of the world. It has its very own lore and atmosphere that's been told in the previous games. It feels very 'real'. Everything fits into a greater plot and their is always some book lying around that has some background information about the quests you do. Blizzard loves to balance their games, WoW included. They tend to balance it to much thou. For example for some reasona mage cant wear plate armor, which seem riddiculously illogical to me (you should be able to, but it will hinder your spellcasting). Some older games did much better in that aspect. (etc AC1 were you could create completely free-form characters and wear whatever kind of armor you wanted). To sum it up. WoW isnt a flawless MMO. All MMOs have flaws, some are downright inplayable. WoW is the most playable and well done MMO Ive played so far.
WoW isn't a D & D semi-ripoff?! You said it best, "mages that can't wear plate armor". Every fastasy-base game gets its roots and history from D & D and of course other fastasy lore.
Take it easy there buddy, its ok if someone doesn't like WoW. It won't kill you or devalue its worth. No need to get defensive about a game because remember its just a game. If you enjoy the game that much, then go and play it and stop worrying every minute if someone doesn't doesn't share the passion of the game like you do.
It is one thing to have an opinion which you defend in forums. It is a completly different thing if you are a reviewer for a well known Website. In that case people expect you to give an unbiased description of the pros and cons of a game - because for them this is very likely one aspect to rate a game before buying it - meaning spending money for something.
So again, even if people differ in taste - there are things so extremly obvious in this review which are simply not based on reality. This includes for example the rating for the Community. If I would have to do a rating/review for a game I would take the same approach as sschruppp did. He tried to axplain how valid and invalid opinions can arise and what to keep in mind to just analyize a game without beeing biased. I really liked how he showed that even if you for example liked the grafics that you have to break the grafics-part down into all aspects which account for grafics in a game. The sum of all makes a rating, not "Ah well I like the grafics so I give it a 10".
I might be wrong but if you break down all the different parts there wont be an 8 as final rating - but thats just as it is, even if the reviewer feels that he likes the game so much that he has to give it a 11.
If it is indeed so difficult to be unbiased when reviewing a game it might be a good idea to have 2-3 reviewers which combine their opinioins and expierences...
WoW is simplistic and childish-as are 75% of the people you will run into playing it. I am glad that it has sucked such a large volume of these people away from other games frankly.
Its CS is pretty darn bad (not the worst but up there). Its graphics fit the Warcraft world, but certainly dont compete with todays MMO market (some will say this is a matter of personal taste).
After about 60 days i realized i could not stand this game long term , I wont be going back ( so i uninstalled it last night. you fans are welcome to the reduction in lag and server stability my non presence will cause, maybe if 500,000 more people leave it will actually make a difference for you-to bad it wont aid the crappy brainless gameplay.)
I never understood Beatle-mania....WoW has me unimpressed much the same way.
Originally posted by Lasastard To talk again about valid an invalid opinions: It is one thing to have an opinion which you defend in forums. It is a completly different thing if you are a reviewer for a well known Website. In that case people expect you to give an unbiased description of the pros and cons of a game - because for them this is very likely one aspect to rate a game before buying it - meaning spending money for something.
You don't really believe this seriously do you? I take all reviews I read with a grain of salt.
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Originally posted by BarryManilow I think Firemagic takes WoW WAY TOO SERIOUS.
Take it easy there buddy, its ok if someone doesn't like WoW. It won't kill you or devalue its worth. No need to get defensive about a game because remember its just a game. If you enjoy the game that much, then go and play it and stop worrying every minute if someone doesn't doesn't share the passion of the game like you do.
I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with the fact that some people don't like WoW. Different games for different people..... But I do take umbrage when people have such a deep-seated emotional grudge against a game that they just out and out lie (for example Jodokai saying that you can do every quest in the game without actually reading the full text, which I proved wrong with very little effort) or make completely baseless assumptions (see a few posts up) in order to suggest that anyone who enjoys the game is somehow at fault.
The fact that I like to discuss a game I immensely enjoy is quite reasonable, in my opinion. Since this a discussion forum I don't really think I'm doing anything wrong.
But the fact that you constantly moan, whine and drone on and on and on about WoW when you insist you have no interest in the game is little short of disturbing.
I think WoW's had a lot more of an impact on your life than you'd like to admit.
I played wow after release.Pvp Horde side rogue. Once you get to 60 it becomes very painful too see all you have is an eq end game of living in instances for the so called phat loot. Games not really for me the graphics dont do much and the complete lack of useable craftables makes me ill. Its a pve game with bolt on pvp system. Very reminisint of Daoc.
I wish wow luck and i think it will do well. Many reveiws i see this game really amuses children. Thats good parrents got a game they can play with there 7 year olds. I myself await Uo + 10.
Originally posted by Kendal It is not my first MMORPG. And not only have I been gaming since Pong, I am a CG Illustrator, Level Designer, and obvious gamer...my opinions on the subject hold water. I've done lots of research, and have played many MMOs. I am new to WoW, and I think everything from the graphics, to the mechanics are silky smooth. I have a lower end system, and it runs great when I turn down the view distance. Also, I play in a high population server, and rarely EVER have to wait to play--and the lag is actully not a problem at all. --Kendal
Your lucky then that you play on a STABLE server. I have characters on numerous servers and I guess I am unlucky in my choices cause everyone of the servers that I have characters on SUCK. It is not as bad now, but the lag is still there or was when I canceled my account. I remember many a nights raiding upper spire and getting disconnected prior to engaging a boss or mini boss only to not be able to log back on because of a Que.
WoW is a decent game, I will give you that, but far be it from the best. Maybe when Blizzard actually gets around to fixing the really important things that have been around since beta (like the stuck in combat bug), or they actually pick up the pace when patches are concerned, then the game might actually move up in the scale of becoming one of the best, but it still has a long way to go before even trying to claim that title.
Not to mention that the community sucks balls.
lvl 60 Shaman - Deathwing (Currently on Vacation/Canceled)
I have played EQI for 4 years, EQ II for few months have a lvl 50 Assassin and after i reached the lvl 50 here was nothing interesting to do. Solo play at high lvls is imposible to kill mobs that have a worthy drops etc. High lvl characters either roll a new alt (I tried it got bored) or quit and go to mostly WoW, That is the truth, simple as that. Shame you cant read EQ II forums unless you subscribe or you would really see how bad things are ( broken Mystic class for ex).
So like many others before me I bought WoW atm I have a lvl 34 Hunter and lvl 35 Rogue. Funny thing is i swore before i'd stick to EQ II, I just couldnt do it.
The main problem with WoW I have (which EQ II is better at) is server stability. but with 1.6 million subscribers I can see why the problem exists, compared to roughly 350.000 of EQ II subscribers (possibly a reason why EQ II doesnt have server stability problems).
Having played both EQII and WoW, not to lie, I have more fun playing WoW then EQ II, my main reason being , you can solo great with any class (bit slower with priest and druid as they are healers) and I mean solo mobs not only at the begining but all the way to lvl 60, if thats how you want to play it. I could not do that with my assassin with whom i had to kill green mobs pass lvl 40 cos even con NPC just were too hard to solo, not the case with WoW. There are other reasons also but too much to type imo. Yes there are problems with classes (Warlock which is totally neglected by Blizzard) but if you pick anything but you will have tons of fun. Yes there are tons of kids in WoW, which can be annoying at times but i dont really pay attention to them, let em do what they want, simple.
Game is supposed to provide me entertainment for the cash i spend on it, not frustration.
Even AFTER the XP nerf I still got two characters to lvl 20 in 10 hours.
You don't seem to have any clue about MMOs, regardless of whatever experience you post here.
Even people who still play the game admit that leveling is fast in it. That's not really an arguable point.
Come up with some real reasons besides you like it to combat other reviewers who post their opinion that they don't. Otherwise you're just a fanboy as others have stated.
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
I have nothing against WoW, but one thing Ive noticed is that most of the people that like WoW over EQ2 probably-
1. Are children and love to play PvP games, with their uber d00d images.
2. People that bought Eq2, tried to play it with an AMD 1000+ , 256 MB of RAM and a GeForce 5200, could barely run the game, and so they say "This game sux"
3. Are children that cannot afford to upgrade their computers ( See #2)
This is probably totally untrue, but its the way I see it.
i play WoW cuz i'm in an awesome guild with 190 cool people, and i always have people to grp with and if i dont, i get on one of my alts....wow is nearing the longest i've ever played a game straight...7months...
i tried eq2 throughtout it's beta for months until its release, that shit aint fun....it wasnt fun to move around....i like my dude to be able to jump over things, dance, run, and ride on my mount...when you need a break, some good fluff can help^^
kept trying eq2 because its a beautiful game and i really hoped it'd amount to something, but, i need pvp and movement options too, just not decent grping.
why do people really care about either of these companies? why not choose the best game?
Originally posted by Slythe I have nothing against WoW, but one thing Ive noticed is that most of the people that like WoW over EQ2 probably-1. Are children and love to play PvP games, with their uber d00d images.2. People that bought Eq2, tried to play it with an AMD 1000+ , 256 MB of RAM and a GeForce 5200, could barely run the game, and so they say "This game sux"3. Are children that cannot afford to upgrade their computers ( See #2)This is probably totally untrue, but its the way I see it.
Forming your opinions around factors that you think are probably untrue isn't very intelligent. You'll find people generally try to form their opinions based on what they believe to be true.
True Firemagic true, I dont believe it but Im sure some WoW players hate EQ2 for my reason. I actually like WoW, I think its a fun game no matter what anyone else thinks. I was just stating my thoughts on WoW players from what Ive seen. If i see a 14 year old dissing EQ2, I usually think its because he cant upgrade his computer (which im sure is not always the case) . Thats more along the lines of what i meant.
haha great sig too btw, Better Off Dead is classic. Need to grab that one on DVD
Originally posted by Slythe I have nothing against WoW, but one thing Ive noticed is that most of the people that like WoW over EQ2 probably- 1. Are children and love to play PvP games, with their uber d00d images. 2. People that bought Eq2, tried to play it with an AMD 1000+ , 256 MB of RAM and a GeForce 5200, could barely run the game, and so they say "This game sux" 3. Are children that cannot afford to upgrade their computers ( See #2) This is probably totally untrue, but its the way I see it.
1: i am 27 and don't particularly appreciate PvP games (but do not hate them either)
2: i have a AMD 3200, a ATI 9600 XT and 512 mb of ram, surely not top of the line. EQ2 was a slideshow in cities only. outside it was great.
3: i won't answer to this but upgrading my computer for a single game, that i wasn't liking much either, without even an assurance that it will work... is not my idea of wise decision.
My wife did same.
Have a nice day.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
I have played WoW to lvl 60 and i can say i truely felt i wasted my time. Now before you or any other fanboi jumps all over me realize that i think the game is decent but just not great at all.
We all have our own opinions and mine is that WoW is just too easy ad gets boring fast.(MY OPINION)
As far as EQ goes i m playing EQ2 and enjoy it way more but really who cares what i say or anyone else play what you like.
I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with the fact that some people don't like WoW. Different games for different people..... But I do take umbrage when people have such a deep-seated emotional grudge against a game that they just out and out lie (for example Jodokai saying that you can do every quest in the game without actually reading the full text, which I proved wrong with very little effort) or make completely baseless assumptions (see a few posts up) in order to suggest that anyone who enjoys the game is somehow at fault.
First, okay let me repharse: I went from level 1-30 without EVER reading all of a quest.
Second, even people who play it now agree that there are very few quests you have to read through to complete. It's your irrational need to slam anyone that doesn't like WoW that makes you take everything so literally. Not only that, out of everything I said that's the ONLY thing you could find fault with so you pounced on it with everything you had.
I'm also not the one that keeps bringing it up, you are. So you tell me who holds the grudge. I was happy letting someone else defend my review, but you can't just let it go. Everyone on these boards knows your totally unreasonable. You have people that should be supporting you telling you to shut up.
You say I have such a grudge that I lie about WoW, but at least I didn't call people stupid for liking it which is EXACTLY what you said to people who liked EQ2 (I probably still have the bookmark to that thread if you want to try to deny it. I saved it from the last time you wanted to get into it with me). Not only that, but I can back up my opinion about WoW, something you've NEVER been able to do with EQ2.
You're a joke firemagic. The more you keep flapping your gums (fingers) the more people realize this. Your best bet now is to delete your screen name and come up with a new one. At the very least, stop dragging me into your crap.
I don't have a grudge against WoW, I thank Bilzzard everyday for making EQ2 the best game on the market.
I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with the fact that some people don't like WoW. Different games for different people..... But I do take umbrage when people have such a deep-seated emotional grudge against a game that they just out and out lie (for example Jodokai saying that you can do every quest in the game without actually reading the full text, which I proved wrong with very little effort) or make completely baseless assumptions (see a few posts up) in order to suggest that anyone who enjoys the game is somehow at fault.
First, okay let me repharse: I went from level 1-30 without EVER reading all of a quest.
Really now? Ever done the Stalvan quest without eading it? Dident think so. Ever tryed to do one of the Shaman totem Quests without reading them at least twice? No? Next.
Second, even people who play it now agree that there are very few quests you have to read through to complete. It's your irrational need to slam anyone that doesn't like WoW that makes you take everything so literally. Not only that, out of everything I said that's the ONLY thing you could find fault with so you pounced on it with everything you had.
As fun as generalizations are, try to be more specific as to WHO says you dont need to read the quests (Besides you i mean). I personally have to read EVERY quest unless ive done it before.
I'm also not the one that keeps bringing it up, you are. So you tell me who holds the grudge. I was happy letting someone else defend my review, but you can't just let it go. Everyone on these boards knows your totally unreasonable. You have people that should be supporting you telling you to shut up.
mmm again broad sweeping generalizations are for the ignorant. I keep trying to figure why the EQ2 people keep comeing over here to post on our boards just to flame a game they know we enjoy. Also I dont find firemagic unreasonable nor would i consider telling him to shut up, so your statement in itsself is flawed. kthx
You say I have such a grudge that I lie about WoW, but at least I didn't call people stupid for liking it which is EXACTLY what you said to people who liked EQ2 (I probably still have the bookmark to that thread if you want to try to deny it. I saved it from the last time you wanted to get into it with me). Not only that, but I can back up my opinion about WoW, something you've NEVER been able to do with EQ2.
Back up your opinoin about WoW? With what? More generalizations? Next!
You're a joke firemagic. The more you keep flapping your gums (fingers) the more people realize this. Your best bet now is to delete your screen name and come up with a new one. At the very least, stop dragging me into your crap.
How childish?
I don't have a grudge against WoW, I thank Bilzzard everyday for making EQ2 the best game on the market.
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Now actually try to counter what I said instead of continuing to use awkward insults to shield the fact that you have nothing to say.
You said you don't believe your opinion to be better than anyone elses, then you said some people have bad opinions. You're contradicting yourself.
I guess you're gonna have to clarify your stance, and since I'm in a good mood I'll make it nice and simple for you. You can have it one of two ways, but not both ways. Pick one:
Option A - You don't consider your opinion to be more valid than certain other peoples opinions.
Option B - You do consider your opinion to be more valid than certain other peoples opinions.
Which is it?
Ok I see what the problem is. I stated that there are sometimes bad opinions when it comes to reviewing things, ones that have nothing given to back them up. For instance, Bobby rates a movie he saw on a popular movie reviewing website with a (1) and as a reason states, "That movie was the worst one in the world OMGZ0rz!!!". Of course we all recognize that in Bobby's opinion that movie was the worst one in the world. However, Bobby didn't provide us with any input as to why he believed that in all the world there are no movies worse than that one. We are just expected to take his word for it and not go see the movie because Bobby says so. To me, that would be a poorly stated opinion that holds no water and should be completely disregarded by anyone of even slight intelligence. So to put it simply, a bad opinion.
Now if Judy comes along and rates the same movie a (1) and states, "Although the cast contained some incredible actors, the director did a horrible job of giving direction. The plot jumped around with no apparant pattern, seeming to tell three totally unrelated stories. The ending of the movie simply stopped midscene leaving the audience feel.... blahblahblah". Now here we see that Judy hated the movie, but she also told us exactly why she hated it. And because she actually gave us reasons, we can make a decision as to whether we would like or dislike it. To me, that is a GOOD opinion.
Does that clear it up for you? I mentioned many people just simply click 10s on games because they want it to have a good score and never actually present a good reason for their opinion. So yes, I suppose in that case I do believe my opinion is more valid than theirs in that case. Mainly because I do actually present an opinion that others can react to in an informed manner. For someone to simply click 10, 10, 10, 9, 10, is not an opinion, and yet it still counts as a review and makes a game look better than it actually is.
Yes, that clears it up, all except the last sentence. A game can never look better than it "actually is", because how good a game is is entirely down to the individual's personal opinion.
You personally believe that people who rate a game with all 10's have an invalid opinion. I personally disagree. If someone is so bowled over by any given game that they rate it all tens, then they are using the rating system to make a statement, along the lines of "This is the best game I've ever played and I can't imagine anything better". There is no law that states that you need to make an entirely objective analysis on each of the seperate constituents of the rating system (graphics, community, etc). If someone rates a game all tens, then that's how they feel about the game, and in my opinion their opinion is as valid as your opinion.
That said, you seem certain that WoW's rating is so high because a lot of people have rated it all (or mostly) tens. Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is it just a baseless assumption?
Well I personally have no use for reviews .There is always a catch.
It is always made by a player trying to put down the game or beef it up.
Even the offical review on this site seems to be basically a overpraise for the game as far as making excuses for blizzard which was kind of weird(all respect to koltrane ).
It also goes the other way,some people who never touch the game will just put the game down for some delusional reason that people will quit the game enmass and run to game B.
I am sure your parents are grateful to Blizzard that you are at least passionate about something.
Congrats...
WoW isn't a D & D semi-ripoff?! You said it best, "mages that can't wear plate armor". Every fastasy-base game gets its roots and history from D & D and of course other fastasy lore.
I think Firemagic takes WoW WAY TOO SERIOUS.
Take it easy there buddy, its ok if someone doesn't like WoW. It won't kill you or devalue its worth. No need to get defensive about a game because remember its just a game. If you enjoy the game that much, then go and play it and stop worrying every minute if someone doesn't doesn't share the passion of the game like you do.
To talk again about valid an invalid opinions:
It is one thing to have an opinion which you defend in forums. It is a completly different thing if you are a reviewer for a well known Website. In that case people expect you to give an unbiased description of the pros and cons of a game - because for them this is very likely one aspect to rate a game before buying it - meaning spending money for something.
So again, even if people differ in taste - there are things so extremly obvious in this review which are simply not based on reality. This includes for example the rating for the Community. If I would have to do a rating/review for a game I would take the same approach as sschruppp did. He tried to axplain how valid and invalid opinions can arise and what to keep in mind to just analyize a game without beeing biased. I really liked how he showed that even if you for example liked the grafics that you have to break the grafics-part down into all aspects which account for grafics in a game. The sum of all makes a rating, not "Ah well I like the grafics so I give it a 10".
I might be wrong but if you break down all the different parts there wont be an 8 as final rating - but thats just as it is, even if the reviewer feels that he likes the game so much that he has to give it a 11.
If it is indeed so difficult to be unbiased when reviewing a game it might be a good idea to have 2-3 reviewers which combine their opinioins and expierences...
WoW is simplistic and childish-as are 75% of the people you will run into playing it. I am glad that it has sucked such a large volume of these people away from other games frankly.
Its CS is pretty darn bad (not the worst but up there). Its graphics fit the Warcraft world, but certainly dont compete with todays MMO market (some will say this is a matter of personal taste).
After about 60 days i realized i could not stand this game long term , I wont be going back ( so i uninstalled it last night. you fans are welcome to the reduction in lag and server stability my non presence will cause, maybe if 500,000 more people leave it will actually make a difference for you-to bad it wont aid the crappy brainless gameplay.)
I never understood Beatle-mania....WoW has me unimpressed much the same way.
--Ha, Pwned--
Pvp = godliness
Playing: WoW
Waiting on: Gods and Heroes
I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with the fact that some people don't like WoW. Different games for different people..... But I do take umbrage when people have such a deep-seated emotional grudge against a game that they just out and out lie (for example Jodokai saying that you can do every quest in the game without actually reading the full text, which I proved wrong with very little effort) or make completely baseless assumptions (see a few posts up) in order to suggest that anyone who enjoys the game is somehow at fault.
The fact that I like to discuss a game I immensely enjoy is quite reasonable, in my opinion. Since this a discussion forum I don't really think I'm doing anything wrong.
But the fact that you constantly moan, whine and drone on and on and on about WoW when you insist you have no interest in the game is little short of disturbing.
I think WoW's had a lot more of an impact on your life than you'd like to admit.
I played wow after release.Pvp Horde side rogue. Once you get to 60 it becomes very painful too see all you have is an eq end game of living in instances for the so called phat loot. Games not really for me the graphics dont do much and the complete lack of useable craftables makes me ill. Its a pve game with bolt on pvp system. Very reminisint of Daoc.
I wish wow luck and i think it will do well. Many reveiws i see this game really amuses children. Thats good parrents got a game they can play with there 7 year olds. I myself await Uo + 10.
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Your lucky then that you play on a STABLE server. I have characters on numerous servers and I guess I am unlucky in my choices cause everyone of the servers that I have characters on SUCK. It is not as bad now, but the lag is still there or was when I canceled my account. I remember many a nights raiding upper spire and getting disconnected prior to engaging a boss or mini boss only to not be able to log back on because of a Que.
WoW is a decent game, I will give you that, but far be it from the best. Maybe when Blizzard actually gets around to fixing the really important things that have been around since beta (like the stuck in combat bug), or they actually pick up the pace when patches are concerned, then the game might actually move up in the scale of becoming one of the best, but it still has a long way to go before even trying to claim that title.
Not to mention that the community sucks balls.
lvl 60 Shaman - Deathwing (Currently on Vacation/Canceled)
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As always ppl compare EQ or EQ II to WoW..
I have played EQI for 4 years, EQ II for few months have a lvl 50 Assassin and after i reached the lvl 50 here was nothing interesting to do. Solo play at high lvls is imposible to kill mobs that have a worthy drops etc. High lvl characters either roll a new alt (I tried it got bored) or quit and go to mostly WoW, That is the truth, simple as that. Shame you cant read EQ II forums unless you subscribe or you would really see how bad things are ( broken Mystic class for ex).
So like many others before me I bought WoW atm I have a lvl 34 Hunter and lvl 35 Rogue. Funny thing is i swore before i'd stick to EQ II, I just couldnt do it.
The main problem with WoW I have (which EQ II is better at) is server stability. but with 1.6 million subscribers I can see why the problem exists, compared to roughly 350.000 of EQ II subscribers (possibly a reason why EQ II doesnt have server stability problems).
Having played both EQII and WoW, not to lie, I have more fun playing WoW then EQ II, my main reason being , you can solo great with any class (bit slower with priest and druid as they are healers) and I mean solo mobs not only at the begining but all the way to lvl 60, if thats how you want to play it. I could not do that with my assassin with whom i had to kill green mobs pass lvl 40 cos even con NPC just were too hard to solo, not the case with WoW. There are other reasons also but too much to type imo. Yes there are problems with classes (Warlock which is totally neglected by Blizzard) but if you pick anything but you will have tons of fun. Yes there are tons of kids in WoW, which can be annoying at times but i dont really pay attention to them, let em do what they want, simple.
Game is supposed to provide me entertainment for the cash i spend on it, not frustration.
EQI lvl 65 Paladin Neoklis
EQII lvl 50 Assassin Leandro
WOW lvl 35 rogue Leandro
lvl 34 Hunter Giordino
Even AFTER the XP nerf I still got two characters to lvl 20 in 10 hours.
You don't seem to have any clue about MMOs, regardless of whatever experience you post here.
Even people who still play the game admit that leveling is fast in it. That's not really an arguable point.
Come up with some real reasons besides you like it to combat other reviewers who post their opinion that they don't. Otherwise you're just a fanboy as others have stated.
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
I have nothing against WoW, but one thing Ive noticed is that most of the people that like WoW over EQ2 probably-
1. Are children and love to play PvP games, with their uber d00d images.
2. People that bought Eq2, tried to play it with an AMD 1000+ , 256 MB of RAM and a GeForce 5200, could barely run the game, and so they say "This game sux"
3. Are children that cannot afford to upgrade their computers ( See #2)
This is probably totally untrue, but its the way I see it.
i play WoW cuz i'm in an awesome guild with 190 cool people, and i always have people to grp with and if i dont, i get on one of my alts....wow is nearing the longest i've ever played a game straight...7months...
i tried eq2 throughtout it's beta for months until its release, that shit aint fun....it wasnt fun to move around....i like my dude to be able to jump over things, dance, run, and ride on my mount...when you need a break, some good fluff can help^^
kept trying eq2 because its a beautiful game and i really hoped it'd amount to something, but, i need pvp and movement options too, just not decent grping.
why do people really care about either of these companies? why not choose the best game?
Forming your opinions around factors that you think are probably untrue isn't very intelligent. You'll find people generally try to form their opinions based on what they believe to be true.
True Firemagic true, I dont believe it but Im sure some WoW players hate EQ2 for my reason. I actually like WoW, I think its a fun game no matter what anyone else thinks. I was just stating my thoughts on WoW players from what Ive seen. If i see a 14 year old dissing EQ2, I usually think its because he cant upgrade his computer (which im sure is not always the case) . Thats more along the lines of what i meant.
haha great sig too btw, Better Off Dead is classic. Need to grab that one on DVD
1: i am 27 and don't particularly appreciate PvP games (but do not hate them either)
2: i have a AMD 3200, a ATI 9600 XT and 512 mb of ram, surely not top of the line. EQ2 was a slideshow in cities only. outside it was great.
3: i won't answer to this but upgrading my computer for a single game, that i wasn't liking much either, without even an assurance that it will work... is not my idea of wise decision.
My wife did same.
Have a nice day.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Thats what i did, which is good advice to all of you.
go mxo
To the OP.
I have played WoW to lvl 60 and i can say i truely felt i wasted my time. Now before you or any other fanboi jumps all over me realize that i think the game is decent but just not great at all.
We all have our own opinions and mine is that WoW is just too easy ad gets boring fast.(MY OPINION)
As far as EQ goes i m playing EQ2 and enjoy it way more but really who cares what i say or anyone else play what you like.
First, okay let me repharse: I went from level 1-30 without EVER reading all of a quest.
Second, even people who play it now agree that there are very few quests you have to read through to complete. It's your irrational need to slam anyone that doesn't like WoW that makes you take everything so literally. Not only that, out of everything I said that's the ONLY thing you could find fault with so you pounced on it with everything you had.
I'm also not the one that keeps bringing it up, you are. So you tell me who holds the grudge. I was happy letting someone else defend my review, but you can't just let it go. Everyone on these boards knows your totally unreasonable. You have people that should be supporting you telling you to shut up.
You say I have such a grudge that I lie about WoW, but at least I didn't call people stupid for liking it which is EXACTLY what you said to people who liked EQ2 (I probably still have the bookmark to that thread if you want to try to deny it. I saved it from the last time you wanted to get into it with me). Not only that, but I can back up my opinion about WoW, something you've NEVER been able to do with EQ2.
You're a joke firemagic. The more you keep flapping your gums (fingers) the more people realize this. Your best bet now is to delete your screen name and come up with a new one. At the very least, stop dragging me into your crap.
I don't have a grudge against WoW, I thank Bilzzard everyday for making EQ2 the best game on the market.
First, okay let me repharse: I went from level 1-30 without EVER reading all of a quest.
Really now? Ever done the Stalvan quest without eading it? Dident think so. Ever tryed to do one of the Shaman totem Quests without reading them at least twice? No? Next.
Second, even people who play it now agree that there are very few quests you have to read through to complete. It's your irrational need to slam anyone that doesn't like WoW that makes you take everything so literally. Not only that, out of everything I said that's the ONLY thing you could find fault with so you pounced on it with everything you had.
As fun as generalizations are, try to be more specific as to WHO says you dont need to read the quests (Besides you i mean). I personally have to read EVERY quest unless ive done it before.
I'm also not the one that keeps bringing it up, you are. So you tell me who holds the grudge. I was happy letting someone else defend my review, but you can't just let it go. Everyone on these boards knows your totally unreasonable. You have people that should be supporting you telling you to shut up.
mmm again broad sweeping generalizations are for the ignorant. I keep trying to figure why the EQ2 people keep comeing over here to post on our boards just to flame a game they know we enjoy. Also I dont find firemagic unreasonable nor would i consider telling him to shut up, so your statement in itsself is flawed. kthx
You say I have such a grudge that I lie about WoW, but at least I didn't call people stupid for liking it which is EXACTLY what you said to people who liked EQ2 (I probably still have the bookmark to that thread if you want to try to deny it. I saved it from the last time you wanted to get into it with me). Not only that, but I can back up my opinion about WoW, something you've NEVER been able to do with EQ2.
Back up your opinoin about WoW? With what? More generalizations? Next!
You're a joke firemagic. The more you keep flapping your gums (fingers) the more people realize this. Your best bet now is to delete your screen name and come up with a new one. At the very least, stop dragging me into your crap.
How childish?
I don't have a grudge against WoW, I thank Bilzzard everyday for making EQ2 the best game on the market.