Considering this thread hasn't been deleted which is very very strange I'll ask again seeming as Syndic wants to avoid the obvious flaws with his nerd rage rant.
"Bibi has been set up as a scapegoat in Starvault for Henrik's failed business moves (they postponed loans, invested with money they didn't have yet, etc). Can't go into exact details, because of legal matters."
Can you tell us how a company dealing with millions in their currency goes about blaming a volunteer employee for financial issues please?
We've seen people who have been perma-banned on the forums and people ingame know people who are perma banned. Both properly banned and 'innocently' banned. So can you explain how no one is banned dispite the community knowing banned people?
Currently, well according to you there atleast 10 million gold in circulation. Yet we've not seen this gold. Where exactly are these dupers hiding all their stuff? Now note, I don't claim duping hasn't occured but it has been handeled well.
If you had accurate numbers of people playing MO at primetime why would you give us an estimate? I'm fully aware the active population is currently low as we wait for the epic patches implementations but you claim for the number to be accurate but yet provide and estimate.
Maybe he will answer you but honestly many of them seem obvious..
Q1. "Bibi has been set up as a scapegoat in Starvault for Henrik's failed business moves (they postponed loans, invested with money they didn't have yet, etc). Can't go into exact details, because of legal matters."
Can you tell us how a company dealing with millions in their currency goes about blaming a volunteer employee for financial issues please?
A1. If you read what you quoted you would see that he answered that question already
Q2. We've seen people who have been perma-banned on the forums and people ingame know people who are perma banned. Both properly banned and 'innocently' banned. So can you explain how no one is banned dispite the community knowing banned people?
A1. An obvious exageration, but I think the gist of his point is that many cheaters were intentionally left unbanned... or had bans reversed.
Q3. Currently, well according to you there atleast 10 million gold in circulation. Yet we've not seen this gold. Where exactly are these dupers hiding all their stuff? Now note, I don't claim duping hasn't occured but it has been handeled well.
A3. Some guilds obviously have multiples of the resources that other guilds have.. thus some guild are working to complete their 3rd Keep.... A handful of people.. 20-30 control huge chunks of land. "Their stuff" is hiding right in front of you...
Q4. If you had accurate numbers of people playing MO at primetime why would you give us an estimate? I'm fully aware the active population is currently low as we wait for the epic patches implementations but you claim for the number to be accurate but yet provide and estimate.
A4. Were you looking for him to say it was 265 people at 9:18 PM CST or something like that? You know the population changes every minute.. so saying 300 during primetime is about as accurate as you are going to get... And at this pont it's been acknowledged that he was in fact the GM/HC so I think he'd have a more thorough idea of what the population was than a random player...
I really hope the guy follows through with his statment about publishing all of the logs he has. I think it would be quite interesting to read through...
Let me be blunt. There is no possible way for a company dealing with this sort of funding to blame a volunteer worker for financial whatever. Period. No financial instituation isn't going to go along with at. "I can't tell you how!!!" Is just laughable.
The rumours have been around for a long time about certain people showing the devs how they hacked inorder to get unbanned. But there's also been a huge amount of hacking accusations due to the warping of characters when speed was higher. That is the reason speeds were lowered because too many people thought the opposition was hacking. If GM's had no special tools to tell like he said previously then he too could of been witnessing warping.
There's no certain way without logs to tell if that guild has been duping, it is very possible they could achieved what they have in three months. Long hours at the Wisents anyone? But then that's one guild, apprently duping is everywhere and getting unpunished aye?
Ok fair enough as a GM he would have a better idea, I don't deny the population is small.
Overall the person in question has been labled a lier and unreliable even by members of his own guild. It screems of butthurt that he would post something like this when somethings posted are clearly not true.
Let me be blunt. There is no possible way for a company dealing with this sort of funding to blame a volunteer worker for financial whatever. Period. No financial instituation isn't going to go along with at. "I can't tell you how!!!" Is just laughable.
Perhaps you know more about the situation than has been publicly revealed. I honestly have no clue what he is talking about. For all I know this Bibi was going to invest in the company and pulled out...
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Ahh, weeks into this discussion (other threads) and are still at the point where all we have is a bunch of allegations, sketchy truths with some obvious lies mixed in.
Ahh, weeks into this discussion (other threads) and are still at the point where all we have is a bunch of allegations, sketchy truths with some obvious lies mixed in.
Sure.. which applies equally to StarVault in this situation.
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Ahh, weeks into this discussion (other threads) and are still at the point where all we have is a bunch of allegations, sketchy truths with some obvious lies mixed in.
Sure.. which applies equally to StarVault in this situation.
Did I miss something? I don't recall SV making any allegations. I've seen statement of policy (which you may consider sketchy truths with some obvious lies mixed in)
Again, we come to the debate whether this person who apparently never meant to leak this into the public (Guild attention) claims a whole lot of stuff. What we find out is that there are obvious lies in the allegations. If this were anything more than a petty GM claim in a game this guy would be rebuked and made to look like a fool. Those following them would be named "truthers". Being IT IS a game and not a whole lot of people care, the trolling persists with it hoping that if as many people can see the so called "scandalous-allegations" . Bizarre really.
Honestly this sound to me like way too Bob Lazar or just plain politics for me to say durp to. Give me some evididence!
SV is too known for their knee-jerk reactions to events for me to judge GM's being kicked off after this "news" was released. I honestly dont blame them. In fact, what most people wont care to talk about having GM / players / Guild Leaders / Corp CEOs is quite common. Nobody talks about them though because it isnt Starvault, their CEO's arent Henrik and their lives werent destroyed by the advent of Mortal Online.
In fact, what most people wont care to talk about having GM / players / Guild Leaders / Corp CEOs is quite common. Nobody talks about them though because it isnt Starvault, their CEO's arent Henrik and their lives werent destroyed by the advent of Mortal Online.
Really? Please list the FFAPvP, Free-Loot MMORPGs based around Guild vs Guild territory control that have player GMs (with GM powers.. to give/take items, ban, etc...) functioning as GMs on their own server. Since it is "quite common" I guess it will be quite a long list...
Note we aren't talking about "helpers"... or "councelors" who's only function is to help newbies, answer questions and maybe unstick someone. We are taking about full GM powers in a game.. allowing them to do things like BAN a whole group of people attacking their own keep...
As far as I know there is only one game on the market which currently has such a setup.. and that is Mortal Online. For the record, if there is another, it would be equally bad. The whole "He did it too!" excuse doesn't work.
Also, IF they really have reformed their program.. please provide a link explaining that the volunteers no longer have access to GM powers. Just rebranding player GMs as "High Councelors" who still have GM powers is not in any way, shape or form a solution.
PS: EvE has been brought up before..from what I can see their volunteers DO NOT have GM powers... particularly not ban rights. It is described on Massively in this way:
So.. it doesn't appear that players are actually GMs, but rather helpers.. answering questions and reporting news. If they did(do) have GM players they would be equally as wrong as StarVault.
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Really? Please list the FFAPvP, Free-Loot MMORPGs based around Guild vs Guild territory control that have player GMs (with GM powers.. to give/take items, ban, etc...) functioning as GMs on their own server. Since it is "quite common" I guess it will be quite a long list...
Obviously if you take my statement from the context of all MMO's and put those restrictions on it I will be hard pressed to even find a game that fits.
GMs are payed employees and representatives of CCP Games. ISD on the other hand, are volunteers.
All CCP staff are allowed to play EVE Online, but we do so with no special powers, on regular player accounts, under the condition that we do so anonymously. In other words, we play the game in exactly the same way as all of you do.
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Notice the several page thread that ensues with lots of very upset people. Or not.
Obviously if you take my statement from the context of all MMO's and put those restrictions on it I will be hard pressed to even find a game that fits.
GMs are payed employees and representatives of CCP Games. ISD on the other hand, are volunteers.
All CCP staff are allowed to play EVE Online, but we do so with no special powers, on regular player accounts, under the condition that we do so anonymously. In other words, we play the game in exactly the same way as all of you do.
Best regards,
GM Tacgnol
EvE Online Customer Service Support
Notice the several page thread that ensues with lots of very upset people. Or not.
No.. EvE vollunteers are NOT GMs... which is what we are talking about here. This is not a discussion about how Henrick plays Mortal Online which would be the parallel. We are talking about players VOLUNTEEERS having GM powers. Quite a different story and I am still waiting for the many companies that do this in FFAPvP, Full Loot MMORPGs based on Guild vs Guild territory warfare and allow it on the same server that the volunteer plays on.
As far as I know this doesn't happen in other games (though if it did it would be equally bad there). This is why it is such a big issue here.
It's bad when an emplyoyee does something wrong. This occurs in real life in situations like embezzlement. This is far more likely to happen when you have the foxes guarding the henhouse which is exactly what happens when you have volunteer players with GM powers banning players from other guilds who are attacking the GM/High Councelors Keep....
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No.. EvE vollunteers are NOT GMs... which is what we are talking about here. This is not a discussion about how Henrick plays Mortal Online which would be the parallel. We are talking about players VOLUNTEEERS having GM powers. Quite a different story and I am still waiting for the many companies that do this in FFAPvP, Full Loot MMORPGs based on Guild vs Guild territory warfare and allow it on the same server that the volunteer plays on.
As far as I know this doesn't happen in other games (though if it did it would be equally bad there). This is why it is such a big issue here.
It's bad when an emplyoyee does something wrong. This occurs in real life in situations like embezzlement. This is far more likely to happen when you have the foxes guarding the henhouse which is exactly what happens when you have volunteer players with GM powers banning players from other guilds who are attacking the GM/High Councelors Keep....
You asked to name a game who's GM's (people who can ban accounts, give/take items) also play the same game in their free time. Notice they say they play the game the same was as us? I didn't hear any restrictions on not being a corp CEO. Now your not happy with that answer as it invalidates your discussion.
Now you want to argue whether volunteers are more likely to cheat than people who make minimum wage? If people dont like or respect their job then all bets are off.
You asked to name a game who's GM's (people who can ban accounts, give/take items) also play the same game in their free time. Notice they say they play the game the same was as us? I didn't hear any restrictions on not being a corp CEO. Now your not happy with that answer as it invalidates your discussion.
Now you want to argue whether volunteers are more likely to cheat than people who make minimum wage? If people dont like or respect their job then all bets are off.
Cheat is not the right word but player GMs have been known to favor their friends, employees you actually pay are often more careful since they have more to lose, like their job.
It is actually a bit depending on the person also, a fan GM can be a lot greater than a payed disgruntled one but generally is my feeling that payed one are actually fairer.
Cheat is not the right word but player GMs have been known to favor their friends, employees you actually pay are often more careful since they have more to lose, like their job.
It is actually a bit depending on the person also, a fan GM can be a lot greater than a payed disgruntled one but generally is my feeling that payed one are actually fairer.
Fair enough.
Do you believe the difference warrents a huge controversy as it is now?
You asked to name a game who's GM's (people who can ban accounts, give/take items) also play the same game in their free time. Notice they say they play the game the same was as us? I didn't hear any restrictions on not being a corp CEO. Now your not happy with that answer as it invalidates your discussion.
Now you want to argue whether volunteers are more likely to cheat than people who make minimum wage? If people dont like or respect their job then all bets are off.
No... YOU asked why people were making a big deal about MO having volunteers with GM powers in a game like MO. You claimed this was a widespread practice. It's not.. because it is utterly wrong. Instead of actually backing up the things you claimed.. you created a strawman agrument about employee GMs playing the game which was never the question here. If you would like to start a thread on THAT topic I would be happy to discuss it with you.
As I said.. foxes guarding the henhouse. Having employees play the game is totally different argument from having players with GM powers in a FFAPvP, full-loot, Guild vs Guild conquest MMORPG... having these powers on the same server that they function as guildleaders...
You are more than entitled to your own opinion that this is fine and fair. The vast majority of folks think it's a really... really bad idea.. and that's why it's an issue.
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Here is another post from a -13- leader who also threatens to be removing his guild from the game, and detailing quite a few instances that appear to backup many of the claims made in the OP:
Sheez.. stop crying already. Stay.. or go.. but the whining has to stop!
sombody get me another box of tissues please.... im feeling a lil emotional right now! QQ
nothing works as intended and when the add something new they brake shit. like venders or mounts or this or that. Its like they forget what they fucked up and copy and paste the old shit back in. lol. THE ONLY thing i think SV accomplished since release, and most of beta, is the draw distance on houses and structures and if thats the most epic fix then that already says a lot.
this EPIC patch better live up to its name, i have 2 subs left, i was the ultimate fanboi, but now im scouring the interwebz looking for a game to play.
~13~ Accomplished a lot in these few short months and the way the game is going, this epic patch is the last match, and its pretty fucking windy. if "we" go, its just randoms and the cave camp, GK people left. ill send my guys towards Ascension if they still wanna play "if" this epic patch fails *sigh* but i really hope it doesn't come to that.
Aaaand the cheating is there, i have been booting and reporting both exploiters and openly admitting 3rd party users since beta. stuff as simple as autolock running ruins the game, no fall damage, stam tweaks, 10% speed boost is insane in PvP. Seen it, heard it (in vent) never done it, but always reported it. so dont say its not there PEOPLE, just so you can act like your so naive and innocent to the ways of the world. "Hax wasa hax? me no hear of hax?!?"
One of my accounts (nolonger subbed) was dedicated to finding and getting to know these people, this counter-culture of elite cheaters. report them, pat myself on the back! good job ol' boy. But whats the point when they sneek back into the game literally mins to a few hours later like, lolrofllmao i jus got banned, i gotta be more careful next time. oO i sitting hear like "howw...wha..who...ahh fuck it
But there is no way to detect it, or so it seems. i know a guy who knows a guy who knows people in EVERY SINGLE guild (factor guilds) in MO who break rules( save one maybe two guilds).
15 mins into release i emailed a GM and showed him how to dupe gold, and i found it purely on accident, so i know you smart techies were all over it. because after the fact, alpha nerd B explained it to me and it made perfect sense. (reported him almost in a backstabbing manner, banned, came back, opened trade with me, showed me 30 keep deeds, said fuck you! asshole and took his trick to another guild) /facepalm.
15 mins into release.... you know how EPICALLY FAIL that is. And you know what that means, is this guy knew what he was doing and was waiting for release to do it!!! And to make it shunned upon like lepers to point out people you know are guilty makes this game impossible to take serious. Im tired of fighting against the client side server exploits. im tired of the non cheaters getting infractions and looked at like its the most preposterous thing they have ever heard. IM BEGGING YOU SV TO SAVE THE GAME PLZ.
but your not. why? because you act like it doesnt exsist and bann the people who give you the information instead of the the cheaters lol what kinda bass ackwards shit is that....ooo i get your hurting for the subs so fuc it!
who paid for this floor? not me, never pay for no floor ever again, not once not ever"
ive played a total of about 17mins in the last 2 weeks, im missing out on that fishing....OMG, i know what am i thinking.
"whos chair is this? not my chair not my problem" right?
/depressed,rambling,rant
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Let me be blunt. There is no possible way for a company dealing with this sort of funding to blame a volunteer worker for financial whatever. Period. No financial instituation isn't going to go along with at. "I can't tell you how!!!" Is just laughable.
The rumours have been around for a long time about certain people showing the devs how they hacked inorder to get unbanned. But there's also been a huge amount of hacking accusations due to the warping of characters when speed was higher. That is the reason speeds were lowered because too many people thought the opposition was hacking. If GM's had no special tools to tell like he said previously then he too could of been witnessing warping.
There's no certain way without logs to tell if that guild has been duping, it is very possible they could achieved what they have in three months. Long hours at the Wisents anyone? But then that's one guild, apprently duping is everywhere and getting unpunished aye?
Ok fair enough as a GM he would have a better idea, I don't deny the population is small.
Overall the person in question has been labled a lier and unreliable even by members of his own guild. It screems of butthurt that he would post something like this when somethings posted are clearly not true.
What happened to his perma ban
?
Perhaps you know more about the situation than has been publicly revealed. I honestly have no clue what he is talking about. For all I know this Bibi was going to invest in the company and pulled out...
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Ahh, weeks into this discussion (other threads) and are still at the point where all we have is a bunch of allegations, sketchy truths with some obvious lies mixed in.
Remember back in the day... ?
Sure.. which applies equally to StarVault in this situation.
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Did I miss something? I don't recall SV making any allegations. I've seen statement of policy (which you may consider sketchy truths with some obvious lies mixed in)
Again, we come to the debate whether this person who apparently never meant to leak this into the public (Guild attention) claims a whole lot of stuff. What we find out is that there are obvious lies in the allegations. If this were anything more than a petty GM claim in a game this guy would be rebuked and made to look like a fool. Those following them would be named "truthers". Being IT IS a game and not a whole lot of people care, the trolling persists with it hoping that if as many people can see the so called "scandalous-allegations" . Bizarre really.
Honestly this sound to me like way too Bob Lazar or just plain politics for me to say durp to. Give me some evididence!
SV is too known for their knee-jerk reactions to events for me to judge GM's being kicked off after this "news" was released. I honestly dont blame them. In fact, what most people wont care to talk about having GM / players / Guild Leaders / Corp CEOs is quite common. Nobody talks about them though because it isnt Starvault, their CEO's arent Henrik and their lives werent destroyed by the advent of Mortal Online.
Really? Please list the FFAPvP, Free-Loot MMORPGs based around Guild vs Guild territory control that have player GMs (with GM powers.. to give/take items, ban, etc...) functioning as GMs on their own server. Since it is "quite common" I guess it will be quite a long list...
Note we aren't talking about "helpers"... or "councelors" who's only function is to help newbies, answer questions and maybe unstick someone. We are taking about full GM powers in a game.. allowing them to do things like BAN a whole group of people attacking their own keep...
As far as I know there is only one game on the market which currently has such a setup.. and that is Mortal Online. For the record, if there is another, it would be equally bad. The whole "He did it too!" excuse doesn't work.
Also, IF they really have reformed their program.. please provide a link explaining that the volunteers no longer have access to GM powers. Just rebranding player GMs as "High Councelors" who still have GM powers is not in any way, shape or form a solution.
PS: EvE has been brought up before..from what I can see their volunteers DO NOT have GM powers... particularly not ban rights. It is described on Massively in this way:
The Interstellar Services Department, is something we've mentioned in the past at Massively. It's an organization of player volunteers with various departments that focus on different aspects of EVE Online, ranging from reporting on in-game battles and news events to helping new players understand the game. By the nature of the work they do, some ISD volunteers may have access to information (not subscriber or character information) that should be kept in the strictest confidence, but in this case was not.
So.. it doesn't appear that players are actually GMs, but rather helpers.. answering questions and reporting news. If they did(do) have GM players they would be equally as wrong as StarVault.
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Obviously if you take my statement from the context of all MMO's and put those restrictions on it I will be hard pressed to even find a game that fits.
EVE Online is one:
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/729668/page/1
GMs are payed employees and representatives of CCP Games. ISD on the other hand, are volunteers.
All CCP staff are allowed to play EVE Online, but we do so with no special powers, on regular player accounts, under the condition that we do so anonymously. In other words, we play the game in exactly the same way as all of you do.
Best regards,
GM Tacgnol
EvE Online Customer Service Support
Notice the several page thread that ensues with lots of very upset people. Or not.
No.. EvE vollunteers are NOT GMs... which is what we are talking about here. This is not a discussion about how Henrick plays Mortal Online which would be the parallel. We are talking about players VOLUNTEEERS having GM powers. Quite a different story and I am still waiting for the many companies that do this in FFAPvP, Full Loot MMORPGs based on Guild vs Guild territory warfare and allow it on the same server that the volunteer plays on.
As far as I know this doesn't happen in other games (though if it did it would be equally bad there). This is why it is such a big issue here.
It's bad when an emplyoyee does something wrong. This occurs in real life in situations like embezzlement. This is far more likely to happen when you have the foxes guarding the henhouse which is exactly what happens when you have volunteer players with GM powers banning players from other guilds who are attacking the GM/High Councelors Keep....
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You asked to name a game who's GM's (people who can ban accounts, give/take items) also play the same game in their free time. Notice they say they play the game the same was as us? I didn't hear any restrictions on not being a corp CEO. Now your not happy with that answer as it invalidates your discussion.
Now you want to argue whether volunteers are more likely to cheat than people who make minimum wage? If people dont like or respect their job then all bets are off.
Cheat is not the right word but player GMs have been known to favor their friends, employees you actually pay are often more careful since they have more to lose, like their job.
It is actually a bit depending on the person also, a fan GM can be a lot greater than a payed disgruntled one but generally is my feeling that payed one are actually fairer.
Fair enough.
Do you believe the difference warrents a huge controversy as it is now?
No... YOU asked why people were making a big deal about MO having volunteers with GM powers in a game like MO. You claimed this was a widespread practice. It's not.. because it is utterly wrong. Instead of actually backing up the things you claimed.. you created a strawman agrument about employee GMs playing the game which was never the question here. If you would like to start a thread on THAT topic I would be happy to discuss it with you.
As I said.. foxes guarding the henhouse. Having employees play the game is totally different argument from having players with GM powers in a FFAPvP, full-loot, Guild vs Guild conquest MMORPG... having these powers on the same server that they function as guildleaders...
You are more than entitled to your own opinion that this is fine and fair. The vast majority of folks think it's a really... really bad idea.. and that's why it's an issue.
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Here is another post from a -13- leader who also threatens to be removing his guild from the game, and detailing quite a few instances that appear to backup many of the claims made in the OP:
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Sheez.. stop crying already. Stay.. or go.. but the whining has to stop!
sombody get me another box of tissues please.... im feeling a lil emotional right now! QQ
nothing works as intended and when the add something new they brake shit. like venders or mounts or this or that. Its like they forget what they fucked up and copy and paste the old shit back in. lol. THE ONLY thing i think SV accomplished since release, and most of beta, is the draw distance on houses and structures and if thats the most epic fix then that already says a lot.
this EPIC patch better live up to its name, i have 2 subs left, i was the ultimate fanboi, but now im scouring the interwebz looking for a game to play.
~13~ Accomplished a lot in these few short months and the way the game is going, this epic patch is the last match, and its pretty fucking windy. if "we" go, its just randoms and the cave camp, GK people left. ill send my guys towards Ascension if they still wanna play "if" this epic patch fails *sigh* but i really hope it doesn't come to that.
Aaaand the cheating is there, i have been booting and reporting both exploiters and openly admitting 3rd party users since beta. stuff as simple as autolock running ruins the game, no fall damage, stam tweaks, 10% speed boost is insane in PvP. Seen it, heard it (in vent) never done it, but always reported it. so dont say its not there PEOPLE, just so you can act like your so naive and innocent to the ways of the world. "Hax wasa hax? me no hear of hax?!?"
One of my accounts (nolonger subbed) was dedicated to finding and getting to know these people, this counter-culture of elite cheaters. report them, pat myself on the back! good job ol' boy. But whats the point when they sneek back into the game literally mins to a few hours later like, lolrofllmao i jus got banned, i gotta be more careful next time. oO i sitting hear like "howw...wha..who...ahh fuck it
But there is no way to detect it, or so it seems. i know a guy who knows a guy who knows people in EVERY SINGLE guild (factor guilds) in MO who break rules( save one maybe two guilds).
15 mins into release i emailed a GM and showed him how to dupe gold, and i found it purely on accident, so i know you smart techies were all over it. because after the fact, alpha nerd B explained it to me and it made perfect sense. (reported him almost in a backstabbing manner, banned, came back, opened trade with me, showed me 30 keep deeds, said fuck you! asshole and took his trick to another guild) /facepalm.
15 mins into release.... you know how EPICALLY FAIL that is. And you know what that means, is this guy knew what he was doing and was waiting for release to do it!!! And to make it shunned upon like lepers to point out people you know are guilty makes this game impossible to take serious. Im tired of fighting against the client side server exploits. im tired of the non cheaters getting infractions and looked at like its the most preposterous thing they have ever heard. IM BEGGING YOU SV TO SAVE THE GAME PLZ.
but your not. why? because you act like it doesnt exsist and bann the people who give you the information instead of the the cheaters lol what kinda bass ackwards shit is that....ooo i get your hurting for the subs so fuc it!
who paid for this floor? not me, never pay for no floor ever again, not once not ever"
ive played a total of about 17mins in the last 2 weeks, im missing out on that fishing....OMG, i know what am i thinking.
"whos chair is this? not my chair not my problem" right?
/depressed,rambling,rant
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All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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" i know a guy who knows a guy who knows people in EVERY SINGLE guild (factor guilds) in MO who break rules( save one maybe two guilds)."
lol