I havn't experienced this 30-60 seconds to open and browse the retainers shops. Its been pretty instant for me. Im on Kashuan, and it varies between 2 and 3 chocobo's. So maybe its just my server is less congested. Other than that i agree 100% with the post.
Mental recollection of just how long it takes is fuzzy. I do know that it works a bit like this:
Get your selection circle on the retainer you want. This may involve moving your character since you can only see about 25 retainers at a time (give or take) and sometimes there's some interferance that messes up theri selection.
Hit home. Scroll up. Select "Browse" from the menu.
Wait for a few seconds while the retainer's bazaar comes up.
Browse. See anything you like?
If no, cancel out. Wait a few seconds while the screen closes.
If yes, scroll down to it to buy it. Takes awhile with lots of little delays to finalize the transaction.
So, but the time you factor all this in, I'd say 30-60 seconds is a fair guess. Maybe 15-45 seconds if my memories are jaded. Heck, I think I'd need ot have a stopwatch on me to say for sure.
The important thing is (and we agree) this is too ponderous when you've got 100+ retainers to go through, those 15-45 seconds really add up! That's just one bazaar, and there's three pages of bazaars to go through, and you might not find the item you're looking for before you run out of patience.
Oh, and earlier I said you can put your retainers "any old place," this was a misleading thing I said, I meant to say that you can put your retainers almost anywhere within designated bazaar areas. (You can't just leave them out in the field where players hunt, for example.) This is why the retainers tend to saturate heavily.
I disagre with your statement regarding L2. Then again I played from about Launch to about 4 years in. I have very distinct memories of players buying, selling, bartering and bargaining. There was a very robust economy.
Heck, I did it myself.
I recall bargaining a price for avadon boots only to have the crafter blow them during creation. At that time you could blow B grade.
Giran was alive and thriving. LOL, actually so was Gludio and Dion at one time.
Same for me on all counts. Only really issue was the bottlenecks outside the weapons shop area and sometimes around the TP area. The titles for the shops helped. I remember putting my SR on hold to roll a WS so Icould set up shop and make shots. What a grind he was. LOL. Dual boxing with my brothers Prophet as a buff/heal bot to minimize my leveling time.
In any case, for FF14 if they at least allow a description of the sellers wares it would make a sizable difference for me. Time will tell.
I really like being able to actually shop for stuff, rather than just selecting what I want from a list, so I hope they don't add an AH. Really, only some minor tweaks are needed to the current system - some way of indicating what the retainer is selling, and a way of indicating who a given retainer belongs to.
The lack of an auction house or some other means to better distribute items throughout the player economy is something that needs to be resolved soon.
why?
It's not an isuse for me to set up a shop or hawk my wares. It's not an issue if it is working as intended. Not every game requires an Auction House.
Heck, if I ever made a game there would absolutely be no auction house.
As far as I'm concerned Lineage 2 got it right.
Simply put: because the player economy is too pivotal to the game to make it difficult to find the gear you need.
Basically, outside of rank 1, it's extremely rare to find an NPC that sells a given piece of gear. You're basically high and dry and unable to progress unless you can find that gear you need.
That there's no way to find where somebody is selling it suddenly becomes a real problem.
That's ridiculous. Sorry don't mean to be insulting but I've played a game where players interacted and searched for what they wanted through player stores.
It works great. It puts the power into the hands of the seller and allows for one to set up shops in pivotal areas.
How about going to a trade channel and advertising for the piece you need. then bartering and then actually purchasing.
As far as finding, that's easy too. Just make the shop signs searchable. of course, one has to make a decision. Buy at this shop now or search other shops for the hope of a good deal. Or to risk losing what was a good deal.
It makes the cities alive and actually places of trade as oppoosed to people crowding around an npc so they can peruse a list.
sorry, thumbs down to auction houses. Again, Lineage 2 had it right. bartering, selling negotiating, searching for great deals, becoming a trusted trader or crafter so that you build up a customer base. that's trade. That's a REAL economy.
But FFXIV doesn't have it right. There is no bartering, or negotiating. You can't even advertise who the crafter is unless you name your retainer after your character. Your retainer is a lifeless bot that just sits there. You don't know who that retainer is linked to, and you cannot barter with it. You cannot negotiate the prices or an equal trade in value. None of that. Right now, it is just an auction house without a browse option.
Now i do believe FFXIV will get it right soon. But as of now, its just a bad system. And 2 nights in a row i have fallen asleep at the computer while going through the bazaar shops lol. I literally just pass out from boredom while browsing through hundreds of shops. And thats just on the first floor.
Then they seriously need to add a few things. In my opinion.
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I played Lineage 2 myself for a long time during and after open beta and I have to say your account of how the market system in that game is not how I remember it. I remember it more like the person above said. The alts sitting in crowded areas lagging out on top of eachother. I will also say this though I rarely talked to or dealt with anyone outside of my clan in that game either unless I was hunting them (best pvp game ever).
Assuming that I don't want to craft because I don't want to be an eqyptian style barterer is a wrong assumption though. I love crafting, and more specifically I love the crafting system in ffxiv more then any game I've played so far actually. I just don't feel that I need to spend hours upon hours looking for mats for my craft or other items. If Aion has a little of both well that's sounds good to me ffxi actually had a bit of both too idk if you ever went outside of uppper jeuno. I guess when it comes down to it though my main concern is I just don't like not being able to buy and sell things quickly and efficiently . Also this current system adds no immersion or social aspect that I can see so I guess I fail to see the advantages except when it comes to people that are trying to screw others over. Which I can't stand but that's a whole other topic.
I don't know what to tell you. Maybe it was your server?
My recollection in L2 was a busy market place in gludio, dion and Giran.
Players would, before they made them available in gludio, buy huge amounts of no grade shots from the starter areas and run them to gludio to sell them at a mark up because there were still no grade players in the gludio area and they needed shots.
I recall seller wars in gludio and dion over shots.
I recall me sitting in giran, surrounded by players selling things while I waited to sell my C grade in order to buy B grade. Players hawking their wares in the shout channel, me trying to get player's prices down and vice versa, etc.
Now, I was on Hindemith so that could be the thing. From the very start it seemed that Hindemith was a very different type of server. For a long while the server wouldn't tolerate tyrants and if a clan/alliance held a castle and they pissed off the server, the entire server would siege them and remove them.
Though toward the end it seems that stopped as players left the game.
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I'm still undecided on what I want too do try FFXIV or not. Some reviews are for this mmo and other reviews are against this mmos link posted below. Now days I gather as much honest info as I can before trying a mmo. I want too know what features a mmo has and what feature will be planned after release.
The review/link I've added doesn't help and you'll see why when the reveiwer explains what he thinks of FF XIV
I'm still undecided on what I want too do try FFXIV or not. Some reviews are for this mmo and other reviews are against this mmos link posted below. Now days I gather as much honest info as I can before trying a mmo. I want too know what features a mmo has and what feature will be planned after release.
The review/link I've added doesn't help and you'll see why when the reveiwer explains what he thinks of FF XIV
Did you try OB? That would help you out the most. If you are on the fence about it, just don't play it and wait.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
I'm still undecided on what I want too do try FFXIV or not. Some reviews are for this mmo and other reviews are against this mmos link posted below. Now days I gather as much honest info as I can before trying a mmo. I want too know what features a mmo has and what feature will be planned after release.
The review/link I've added doesn't help and you'll see why when the reveiwer explains what he thinks of FF XIV
Did you try OB? That would help you out the most. If you are on the fence about it, just don't play it and wait.
I'm starting too think that maybe FFXIV is being praised only for its good looking graphics/environment and character design such as clothing and such. But as for raiding which I like I don't see any of that in all the video's I've watched. I see more of what was in the review that I added above in my other post.
I'm starting too think that maybe FFXIV is being praised only for its good looking graphics/environment and character design such as clothing and such. But as for raiding which I like I don't see any of that in all the video's I've watched. I see more of what was in the review that I added above in my other post.
If that's honestly how you feel then put off making a choice and don't play it for the time being.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
I'm starting too think that maybe FFXIV is being praised only for its good looking graphics/environment and character design such as clothing and such. But as for raiding which I like I don't see any of that in all the video's I've watched. I see more of what was in the review that I added above in my other post.
If that's honestly how you feel then put off making a choice and don't play it for the time being.
Sure I can do that. But I want people here in FFXIV too tell me why this mmo is good. I've read the reviews on boths sides but its like words. Players like it because the other person likes it. Maybe I should ask in the guild channel or watch more detailed video's.
I'm starting too think that maybe FFXIV is being praised only for its good looking graphics/environment and character design such as clothing and such. But as for raiding which I like I don't see any of that in all the video's I've watched. I see more of what was in the review that I added above in my other post.
If that's honestly how you feel then put off making a choice and don't play it for the time being.
Sure I can do that. But I want people here in FFXIV too tell me why this mmo is good. I've read the reviews on boths sides but its like words. Players like it because the other person likes it. Maybe I should ask in the guild channel or watch more detailed video's.
Try and track someone down who has a friend key so you can try it out for yourself. Everyone I know who was interested has decided they won't be playing, otherwise I'd toss you a key so you could see the game for yourself. FF XI did have a free trial period so maybe they'll introduce one for FFXIV but I doubt it it'll be any time soon given the large amount of negative feedback the open beta generated. Maybe once they've ironed out a lot of the kinks they'll allow it? Check back in March if nothing else, I'm sure the game will have improved dramatically by then. Plenty of games have launched as flaming wrecks only to become fantastic after a few major patches(anarchy online for example).
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Mental recollection of just how long it takes is fuzzy. I do know that it works a bit like this:
Get your selection circle on the retainer you want. This may involve moving your character since you can only see about 25 retainers at a time (give or take) and sometimes there's some interferance that messes up theri selection.
Hit home. Scroll up. Select "Browse" from the menu.
Wait for a few seconds while the retainer's bazaar comes up.
Browse. See anything you like?
If no, cancel out. Wait a few seconds while the screen closes.
If yes, scroll down to it to buy it. Takes awhile with lots of little delays to finalize the transaction.
So, but the time you factor all this in, I'd say 30-60 seconds is a fair guess. Maybe 15-45 seconds if my memories are jaded. Heck, I think I'd need ot have a stopwatch on me to say for sure.
The important thing is (and we agree) this is too ponderous when you've got 100+ retainers to go through, those 15-45 seconds really add up! That's just one bazaar, and there's three pages of bazaars to go through, and you might not find the item you're looking for before you run out of patience.
Oh, and earlier I said you can put your retainers "any old place," this was a misleading thing I said, I meant to say that you can put your retainers almost anywhere within designated bazaar areas. (You can't just leave them out in the field where players hunt, for example.) This is why the retainers tend to saturate heavily.
Same for me on all counts. Only really issue was the bottlenecks outside the weapons shop area and sometimes around the TP area. The titles for the shops helped. I remember putting my SR on hold to roll a WS so Icould set up shop and make shots. What a grind he was. LOL. Dual boxing with my brothers Prophet as a buff/heal bot to minimize my leveling time.
In any case, for FF14 if they at least allow a description of the sellers wares it would make a sizable difference for me. Time will tell.
I really like being able to actually shop for stuff, rather than just selecting what I want from a list, so I hope they don't add an AH. Really, only some minor tweaks are needed to the current system - some way of indicating what the retainer is selling, and a way of indicating who a given retainer belongs to.
A nice review so thanks for the link.
thanks again for all the nice things about the preview! I can't wait to start at launch!
Then they seriously need to add a few things. In my opinion.
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I don't know what to tell you. Maybe it was your server?
My recollection in L2 was a busy market place in gludio, dion and Giran.
Players would, before they made them available in gludio, buy huge amounts of no grade shots from the starter areas and run them to gludio to sell them at a mark up because there were still no grade players in the gludio area and they needed shots.
I recall seller wars in gludio and dion over shots.
I recall me sitting in giran, surrounded by players selling things while I waited to sell my C grade in order to buy B grade. Players hawking their wares in the shout channel, me trying to get player's prices down and vice versa, etc.
Now, I was on Hindemith so that could be the thing. From the very start it seemed that Hindemith was a very different type of server. For a long while the server wouldn't tolerate tyrants and if a clan/alliance held a castle and they pissed off the server, the entire server would siege them and remove them.
Though toward the end it seems that stopped as players left the game.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
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I'm still undecided on what I want too do try FFXIV or not. Some reviews are for this mmo and other reviews are against this mmos link posted below. Now days I gather as much honest info as I can before trying a mmo. I want too know what features a mmo has and what feature will be planned after release.
The review/link I've added doesn't help and you'll see why when the reveiwer explains what he thinks of FF XIV
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http://spoonyexperiment.com/2010/09/13/pax-coverage-final-fantasy-xiv-guild-wars-2/
Did you try OB? That would help you out the most. If you are on the fence about it, just don't play it and wait.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
I'm starting too think that maybe FFXIV is being praised only for its good looking graphics/environment and character design such as clothing and such. But as for raiding which I like I don't see any of that in all the video's I've watched. I see more of what was in the review that I added above in my other post.
If that's honestly how you feel then put off making a choice and don't play it for the time being.
You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.
Sure I can do that. But I want people here in FFXIV too tell me why this mmo is good. I've read the reviews on boths sides but its like words. Players like it because the other person likes it. Maybe I should ask in the guild channel or watch more detailed video's.
Try and track someone down who has a friend key so you can try it out for yourself. Everyone I know who was interested has decided they won't be playing, otherwise I'd toss you a key so you could see the game for yourself. FF XI did have a free trial period so maybe they'll introduce one for FFXIV but I doubt it it'll be any time soon given the large amount of negative feedback the open beta generated. Maybe once they've ironed out a lot of the kinks they'll allow it? Check back in March if nothing else, I'm sure the game will have improved dramatically by then. Plenty of games have launched as flaming wrecks only to become fantastic after a few major patches(anarchy online for example).