Yeah, it can be irritating, but it all pays off when you finally figure something out.
Like gardening in FFXI.... that had the be the most cryptic system in the game. You to know what seeds to plant, which pots, what the moon phase was, what kind of result you wanted. You then had to know what elemental day and moon phase to harvest your results at.
I knew some people that got insanely good at it and would harvest elemental ores all the time for massive profits. Anyone could garden, but only the people who took the time to master it could reap the profits. Me.... I just fished and cooked sushi to make my money and bought the elemental staves. XD
Man this was a painful thread. I hate when peoples stupidity is so painful I can't look away.. To all those who keep commenting that others should go learn about making UIs and some such BS I have only one thing to say to you. Game Design is a Talent not a Skill. Obviously if you actually had this talent you would be making games not bitching about the way people who actually have talent make thier games.
Your post was painful to read because one of the guys that commented about making UIs ACTUALLY DOES THAT FOR A LIVING.
Besides thats not even the point. Just because we dont design games doesnt mean we cant have an opinion on games that are made.
The human race has opinions and preferences on a million things they themselves do not personally design.
Do you know how to build houses? How about I throw you in a box and call it a mansion and then tell you to shut up when you complain? Because hey, you dont know how to build houses?
You want a raw hamburger? Why not, your not a chef are you?
Or how about a tie died dress shirt with yellow sequins? Sorry you cant have an opinion because you arent a fashion designer.
A Controller will always be more intuitive than a KeyBoard for the simple fact that less buttons = faster reaction times. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simpley a PC Gaming Fan Boy who has no legitimate experience with control schemes.
For starters you alienated a good portion of your readers right there. Were all on a computer. A good many of us built our own pcs.
Nothing is as fast and precise as a mouse and keyboard. Ask Professional FPS gamers if they would rather have a controller to play with in there competitions rather than a keyboard and mouse. Show me a remote where you can use all 10 fingers.
I agree controllers are great and intuitive and all that but this is a game MADE FOR THE PC as well as the console. The fact that it does not work as well for both is inexcusable. What if the UI was catered more to pc users? Wouldnt the console crowd complain? And wait.. cant they get a mouse and keyboard to play with there PS3?
If you want a WoW UI go play wow. I hear Cataclysm is making it so you can play the whole game all over again the exact same way.. I for one like my games to be New and Different.
Let the court show that the defendant mentioned the pink elephant by name.
Its a bad UI compared to just about any decent mmo, PRE WOW OR POST WOW.
BTW - I make games.. It's called Talent, go get some.
You also make bad rant posts. By your logic, you shouldnt post here because you arent an author. But hey look on the bright side, maybe you can write a program that can post for you.
Why would you take a perfectly reasonable post and try to disprove it so narrow-mindedly? Okay, you win, it's a bad interface, it sucks, mouse and keyboard rocks. Now, we quit FF14 and play go play what? WoW? Many people are sick of WoW, why can't you understand. Guess what, people will still play FF14 because they are willing to trade something off to gain something else. Even if the interface is second best, which I am not sure about.
What is reasonable about telling people they cant have an opinion on something because they don't know how to make it themselves?
How is my post narrow minded when I addressed every point you made? I dont hate the remote, but you said its faster than a keyboard. Maybe in some very narrow set of circumstances...
And how do you get from my post that I hate Final Fantasy 14. I loved the single player rpgs and I am glad people are playing Final Fantasy 14. I dont dislike the game. I dont dislike people for wanting to play that game. Why would I? A quick shout out to anyone reading this, I hope you guys are having a blast.
And just because I play WoW atm, doesnt mean I am not sick of it. I have played since release but your missing a key detail that someone has already pointed out. There are more than 2 mmos. And there is more than Final Fantasy 14 as a choice of New mmos.
One thing we do agree on, I am not sure if the interface is second best either.... I am also not sure if it is 3rd best or 4th or 5th best BECAUSE ITS DEFINITELY NOT THE BEST.
BTW - I make games.. It's called Talent, go get some.
I think just about everyone nowadays does or tries to make video games. It doesn't require much talent anymore with all the game maker tools (I'm sure you mastered those). You're a dime a dozen and nothing special, bud.
Why would you take a perfectly reasonable post and try to disprove it so narrow-mindedly? Okay, you win, it's a bad interface, it sucks, mouse and keyboard rocks. Now, we quit FF14 and play go play what? WoW? Many people are sick of WoW, why can't you understand. Guess what, people will still play FF14 because they are willing to trade something off to gain something else. Even if the interface is second best, which I am not sure about.
Wow, that's... that's almost cultist behavior right there. That has me worried, friend. Have you considered a shrink? O.o
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Could you elaborate upon this otherwise vague post, what you considered to be the behavioral traits that made you think of 'cultist'? We might be able to expand upon it to include quite some fanbois, trolls and haters roaming around here.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Im all for mysterys that are fun, exploring and such.
I just find some of the "secrets" to be infuriating as I have to make game choices that will penalize me with out knowing in advance.
Its like walking up to a hot chick who asks you to pick between two doors. Door A is a million bucks and Door B is 5 angry bikers who are going to kill you. A is a lot of fun...B sucks... being able to see behind those two doors to make an informed decision is a lot better than having your player base getting killed by bikers.
Trying not to be jerk, but that example is way wrong. Making informed decision is about weighting pros and cons of different path/choices and based on that you decide what to choose (there is no right or wrong). Your example is basically A) good/right decision bad/wrong decision, whereas when it comes to choices it would be like A) few pluses and minuses, few pluses and minuses.
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Yeah, it can be irritating, but it all pays off when you finally figure something out.
Like gardening in FFXI.... that had the be the most cryptic system in the game. You to know what seeds to plant, which pots, what the moon phase was, what kind of result you wanted. You then had to know what elemental day and moon phase to harvest your results at.
I knew some people that got insanely good at it and would harvest elemental ores all the time for massive profits. Anyone could garden, but only the people who took the time to master it could reap the profits. Me.... I just fished and cooked sushi to make my money and bought the elemental staves. XD
maybe the op should try FFXIV 1st before making such a post. Well nothing got "cleared up".
That's why it's terrible. Thanks for clearing that up.
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What is reasonable about telling people they cant have an opinion on something because they don't know how to make it themselves?
How is my post narrow minded when I addressed every point you made? I dont hate the remote, but you said its faster than a keyboard. Maybe in some very narrow set of circumstances...
And how do you get from my post that I hate Final Fantasy 14. I loved the single player rpgs and I am glad people are playing Final Fantasy 14. I dont dislike the game. I dont dislike people for wanting to play that game. Why would I? A quick shout out to anyone reading this, I hope you guys are having a blast.
And just because I play WoW atm, doesnt mean I am not sick of it. I have played since release but your missing a key detail that someone has already pointed out. There are more than 2 mmos. And there is more than Final Fantasy 14 as a choice of New mmos.
One thing we do agree on, I am not sure if the interface is second best either.... I am also not sure if it is 3rd best or 4th or 5th best BECAUSE ITS DEFINITELY NOT THE BEST.
I think just about everyone nowadays does or tries to make video games. It doesn't require much talent anymore with all the game maker tools (I'm sure you mastered those). You're a dime a dozen and nothing special, bud.
Could you elaborate upon this otherwise vague post, what you considered to be the behavioral traits that made you think of 'cultist'? We might be able to expand upon it to include quite some fanbois, trolls and haters roaming around here.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
This just in, JACK BLACK PLAYS FINAL FANTASY 14!
Trying not to be jerk, but that example is way wrong. Making informed decision is about weighting pros and cons of different path/choices and based on that you decide what to choose (there is no right or wrong). Your example is basically A) good/right decision
bad/wrong decision, whereas when it comes to choices it would be like A) few pluses and minuses, 
few pluses and minuses.