It will survive as an mmo because the game is a very smooth launch and the fundamentals are right. the fundamentals are complexity and interest in developing the player character. At launch the leve system is fine and the story arc good. SE can patch end-game PvE and PvP content in over next months to produce a challenging game with lots of content. You really do write loads of troll nonsense in your posts as Cataclysm and GW 2 are very different styles of game, and the former a linear a to b to c game over six yrs old, while the later is likely to be released end of 2011 at earliest. XIV also has a major advantage coming in being playable on PS3 and your large HDTV...
First off, i don't know how anyone can talk about a "smooth" launch looking at the overwhelmingly bad word of mouth it gets and facing the fact that pratically nothing has changed since beta. If by "smooth launch" you mean "beeing able to log in eventually", then ok, you're right but that's about it.
Second: This game is not complex. I mean at all. Having unecessary timesinks ad infinitum does not equal complexity. In fact it's the most bare-bones MMO released in quite some time (they couldn't even be arsed to come up with at least original sounding classes, it's the same old Tank/Heal/DPS concept. The fact that you can mix it up a bit doesn't change that) covering the fact that there's no real content to speak of by making players do boring tasks and fighting over mobs for hours on end. That's the way MMOs where made 10 years ago.
Third: The market is not what it used to be. If games don't deliver fast, they go down quick. Look at Tabula Rasa, look at APB. The latter didn't even last four months. The only thing that will save the game (undeservingly) is the PS3-Launch because there's no competition on this platform.
I personally find the game to be perfectly suited to my style. It is probably the only mmorpg out there right now that I am willing to pay a flat monthly fee for. It has a unique crafting system (only Vanguard even comes close to it), fast-paced combat (no autoattack, sort of like AoC's best feature), and even made gathering FUN. If you manage to make something that is usually boring as heck such as crafting and gathering fun, you've done something right. In addition to that, the game world is amazing, regardless of what people may say about it. I've found secret fishing spots, mining areas, and even little settlements. To be honest, I've never seen a game that was so stable in the first week, especially considering we haven't even opened the doors on much of the content since its in "head-start CE" mode.
Well,to be honest with you SE have said from the outset that XIV isn't a WoW style of game.
so fucking what? No one is asking for a "wow style of game". All that is asked for is a GOOD and FUN gameplay experience. Guild Wars for example did everything different than wow but they SUCEEDED at what they where doing, because what they did was well thought out and not just "different". Hello Kitty-Online Adventures sure is different but would you play it just for the sake of not beeing wow?
1.) There has never, ever, been an MMO released, where the general tenor of FORUM feedback has not been negative at rollout. Anyone who claims otherwise has either been living in a cave since the invention of the internet, or just lying.
2.) While its still too early for much in the way of official reviews, I've seen plenty of favoriable press on game websites (ie not forum posts) in various first impression articles. True, I don't think anyone likes the UI, and there are plenty of issues to mention, but the overall impression I am getting, again, outside of forums, is far from universal hatred.
3.) I, and everyone I know personally playing the game, are thoroughly enjoying ourselves. Call me a fanboy if you want, but since we all know that the true definition of fanboy is "Someone who likes something you don't", I'll wear that title as a badge of honor.
It will survive as an mmo because the game is a very smooth launch and the fundamentals are right. the fundamentals are complexity and interest in developing the player character. At launch the leve system is fine and the story arc good. SE can patch end-game PvE and PvP content in over next months to produce a challenging game with lots of content. You really do write loads of troll nonsense in your posts as Cataclysm and GW 2 are very different styles of game, and the former a linear a to b to c game over six yrs old, while the later is likely to be released end of 2011 at earliest. XIV also has a major advantage coming in being playable on PS3 and your large HDTV...
First off, i don't know how anyone can talk about a "smooth" launch looking at the overwhelmingly bad word of mouth it gets and facing the fact that pratically nothing has changed since beta. If by "smooth launch" you mean "beeing able to log in eventually", then ok, you're right but that's about it.
I have actually played launch game on desktop and laptop systems within the min-recomended specs and it is indeed smooth game to play.
Second: This game is not complex. I mean at all. Having unecessary timesinks ad infinitum does not equal complexity. In fact it's the most bare-bones MMO released in quite some time (they couldn't even be arsed to come up with at least original sounding classes, it's the same old Tank/Heal/DPS concept.
It isn't the same old tank/heal/dps concept as your character also develops crafting/gathering which are major game play elements.
The fact that you can mix it up a bit doesn't change that) covering the fact that there's no real content to speak of by making players do boring tasks and fighting over mobs for hours on end. That's the way MMOs where made 10 years ago.
Players play the game long-term on its merits. I am playing semi casually right now since I have a job, but with my play style I will be able to complete the story arc of a complex game...I will get value for money over next weeks.
Third: The market is not what it used to be. If games don't deliver fast, they go down quick. Look at Tabula Rasa, look at APB. The latter didn't even last four months. The only thing that will save the game (undeservingly) is the PS3-Launch because there's no competition on this platform.
SE is one of the largest game companies in the world. More content will be patched in post-launch and the model is a longterm one...they aim to make money with the game in a years time...mmo is a persistent and long-term effort.
1.) There has never, ever, been an MMO released, where the general tenor of FORUM feedback has not been negative at rollout. Anyone who claims otherwise has either been living in a cave since the invention of the internet, or just lying.
I remembering LOTRO getting rather OK from the community actually.
To me it seems like the forums changed after that.
But the fact that every single MMO after that have been released way too early could have something to do with that, Even FF XIV could have used a few more months of polish even if things are better than AoC, WAR and Vanguard.
3.) I, and everyone I know personally playing the game, are thoroughly enjoying ourselves. Call me a fanboy if you want, but since we all know that the true definition of fanboy is "Someone who likes something you don't", I'll wear that title as a badge of honor.
No, actually, we don't all know that definition of fanboy...I do know these, though, from the Urban Dictionary. (probably the only place youll find an actual definition for the word.)
Fanboi:
1) Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with thier particular thing.
"That damn fanboi only likes that game cause Capcom made it."
2) Geek Term related to forum users who think a product/company/person can do no wrong.
"No matter many bugs Star Wars Galaxies has, a fanboi will alway defend the developers."
3) Deliberate mispelling of the word 'fanboy' typically referring to an annoying, immature fan of a specific video game console.
fanbois typically spend most of their free time telling anyone who will listen how perfect thier console of choice is, and how inferior all other products are. fanbois will not stop annoying other people until everyone they know is converted to their way of thinking.
neutral observer: "Console X looks to have a strong line up this year, but console Y still has the momentum from last year"
fanboi: "NO STFU CONSOLE Z IS THE BEST EVER. UR ALL IDIOTS, GO WASTE MORE MONEY ON YOUR SHIT CONSOLE X AND Y LOL"
fanboi 1: well well, if it isnt mr stupid console Y owner fanboi 2: your just jealous of how awesome console Y is
*fight to the death*
Now pay extra attention to number 3, because I think that one applies most to the FFXIV discussions around here. The number of FFXIV defenders telling people to "Go back to WoW," "This game is too elite for you," "learn to play!" far outweighs the number of people who defend the game with rational discussion of both its merits and its flaws.
Also note that trolls are just as bad, and will pretty much say the reverse of the fanboys. Neither are productive, or worth aspiring to be. But hey, if you want that "Badge of Honor," go for it.
When I log onto this game... I have a really hard time thinking that its going to fail as much as some of the jaded mmo players are saying.. Its not even the regular release and most severs are filled. When I get in game, there are literally tons of people, and this is just the.preorder folks. I think some of you younger wow mmoers are neglecting to realize the core that this game has. These are people who will.stick through the shitty becoming just for the.love of the ip. Trust me, I played ff11, which by the way just had a new.expansion ... this came is not going anywhere for at least 8 years, so you might as well stop all the fail/doom talk. I love how the release hasn't even occurred, and as usual, most people on this site are predicting its failure as with every damn game that comes out.
When I log onto this game... I have a really hard time thinking that its going to fail as much as some of the jaded mmo players are saying.. Its not even the regular release and most severs are filled. When I get in game, there are literally tons of people, and this is just the.preorder folks. I think some of you younger wow mmoers are neglecting to realize the core that this game has. These are people who will.stick through the shitty becoming just for the.love of the ip. Trust me, I played ff11, which by the way just had a new.expansion ... this came is not going anywhere for at least 8 years, so you might as well stop all the fail/doom talk. I love how the release hasn't even occurred, and as usual, most people on this site are predicting its failure as with every damn game that comes out.
Servers are always filled on the first month of a broken MMORPG. This game is not hard, complex, nor WoW-Player-Repelent. It is quite simply, crap.
3.) I, and everyone I know personally playing the game, are thoroughly enjoying ourselves. Call me a fanboy if you want, but since we all know that the true definition of fanboy is "Someone who likes something you don't", I'll wear that title as a badge of honor.
No, actually, we don't all know that definition of fanboy...I do know these, though, from the Urban Dictionary. (probably the only place youll find an actual definition for the word.)
Fanboi:
1) Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with thier particular thing.
"That damn fanboi only likes that game cause Capcom made it."
2) Geek Term related to forum users who think a product/company/person can do no wrong.
"No matter many bugs Star Wars Galaxies has, a fanboi will alway defend the developers."
3) Deliberate mispelling of the word 'fanboy' typically referring to an annoying, immature fan of a specific video game console.
fanbois typically spend most of their free time telling anyone who will listen how perfect thier console of choice is, and how inferior all other products are. fanbois will not stop annoying other people until everyone they know is converted to their way of thinking.
neutral observer: "Console X looks to have a strong line up this year, but console Y still has the momentum from last year"
fanboi: "NO STFU CONSOLE Z IS THE BEST EVER. UR ALL IDIOTS, GO WASTE MORE MONEY ON YOUR SHIT CONSOLE X AND Y LOL"
fanboi 1: well well, if it isnt mr stupid console Y owner fanboi 2: your just jealous of how awesome console Y is
*fight to the death*
Now pay extra attention to number 3, because I think that one applies most to the FFXIV discussions around here. The number of FFXIV defenders telling people to "Go back to WoW," "This game is too elite for you," "learn to play!" far outweighs the number of people who defend the game with rational discussion of both its merits and its flaws.
Also note that trolls are just as bad, and will pretty much say the reverse of the fanboys. Neither are productive, or worth aspiring to be. But hey, if you want that "Badge of Honor," go for it.
You actually quoted the urban dictionary for legit info? Then you pick parts of the 3rd discription that suits the point you're trying to hammer home and think you've proved him wrong? Nope, I don't think so. Don't think that because you find people that speak up about a certain mmo annoying and immature that you can use those words to describe them. I'm DEFINITELY sure that FFXIV is not his nor anyone else's first mmo.
Although traditionally the first two discriptions have applied to mmo players to certain degrees, the term itself is so unstable and haphardly thrown about that it now means that anyone that opposes something that you don't like. IF it was his only mmo you'd have a leg to stand on or if he only bought SE mmos and not any from another company. But I'm quite sure neither here is the case.
And since 90% of the posters for FFXIV are very capable of pointing out more than a few flaws with the game, I'm not so quick to think of them as number 2s. So what do we have here:
1. Someone who buys anything (insert mmo) related and nothing more (plushies, keychains, undies, lunchboxes, etc.)
2. Someone who would NEVER admit that (insert mmo) has any issues, flaws, bugs, problems or defects.
3. Someone who is a specific console loyalist defending their console choice in the ongoing war between console users.
Nope I do not see 90% of the FFXIV buyers doing any of those things. The minute I confront a FFXIV player that doesn't admit (key word ADMIT) to each of the proven flaws FFXIV has, then I'll consider them a fanboi. Until then I'll hold my peace. But just becuase someone will play something that has flaws ands KNOWS it, it does not mean that they are blind fanbois. But I'll continue to believe that people are throwning about terms that no longer mean what they use to mean.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
You actually quoted the urban dictionary for legit info? Then you pick parts of the 3rd discription that suits the point you're trying to hammer home and think you've proved him wrong? Nope, I don't think so. Don't think that because you find people that speak up about a certain mmo annoying and immature that you can use those words to describe them. I'm DEFINITELY sure that FFXIV is not his nor anyone else's first mmo.
Although traditionally the first two discriptions have applied to mmo players to certain degrees, the term itself is so unstable and haphardly thrown about that it now means that anyone that opposes something that you don't like. IF it was his only mmo you'd have a leg to stand on or if he only bought SE mmos and not any from another company. But I'm quite sure neither here is the case.
And since 90% of the posters for FFXIV are very capable of pointing out more than a few flaws with the game, I'm not so quick to think of them as number 2s. So what do we have here:
1. Someone who buys anything related and nothing more (plushies, keychains, undies, lunchboxes, etc.)
2. Someone who would NEVER admit that has any issues, flaws, bugs, problems or defects.
3. Someone who is a specific console loyalist defending their console choice in the ongoing war between console users.
Nope I do not see 90% of the FFXIV buyers doing any of those things. The minute I confront a FFXIV player that doesn't admit (key word ADMIT) to each of the proven flaws FFXIV has, then I'll consider them a fanboi. Until then I'll hold my peace. But just becuase someone will play something that has flaws ands KNOWS it, it does not mean that they are blind fanbois.
Yes, I actually quoted the urban dictionary, because it is a slang term that is being applied to the gaming community in general. If you look up fanboy in the normal dictionary, it talks about comic-book lovers, and thats it. The word as it is used on these and other forums you won't find in more reputable resources. But hey, you dont like Urban Dictionary, that's fine, how about another website, called the GeekDictionary.
Definition: A person blindingly in love with a company, person, or product.
Usage: John is such a fanboy. He would buy poop in a box from XYZ Corp.
As for the rest of your post..." I'm DEFINITELY sure that FFXIV is not his nor anyone else's first mmo."
So am I, I never claimed otherwise...in fact its a pretty safe bet that many FFXI'ers are in FFXIV, so not quite sure what your point is here. Maturity is not the number of games one has played, it is how one behaves themselves.
"Nope I do not see 90% of the FFXIV buyers doing any of those things. The minute I confront a FFXIV player that doesn't admit (key word ADMIT) to each of the proven flaws FFXIV has, then I'll consider them a fanboi."
Then you need to open your eyes. Is this the first FFXIV post you've visited on these forums? I wouldn't have written a post about fanboys and trolls if it weren't a GLARING problem around here. Many other watchers here can attest to the amount of blind fanboyism and trollism around here. You not being aware of it doesn't mean it isn't happening.
" Then you pick parts of the 3rd discription that suits the point you're trying to hammer home and think you've proved him wrong?"
What parts did I pick? I think the entire third definition is appropriate, not just parts. In fact the parts you highlighted were the LEAST significant to me, it was the second paragraph that I thought was most poignant. But that aside, im not trying to "prove him wrong." I don't know why you would think that, or why you would try and dispute the meaning of a word that most everyone will attest to having negative connotations. I never even called HIM a fanboy, he wants to call himself that. Is it because in his original post he stated what "EVERYONE KNOWS what fanboy REALLY means," and I tried to correct him by citing sources? Ok then, I guess im trying to prove him wrong. And hopefully shine a light on some other posters around here who are guilty of being fanboys and trolls. Sue me.
(Edit: And your third bullet point is badly paraphrased: "3. Someone who is a specific console loyalist defending their console choice in the ongoing war between console users."
First of all, substitute MMO for console. I figured that was a given since it is what we are talking about. Guess it DOES need to be spelled out. Second, the third definition is not about "defending their MMO of choice in the ongoing war between MMO users." THAT is selectively picking a part of a quote...the rest talks about attacking people who criticize the game with insults. Again, actually read some other FFXIV posts, and tell me you don't find countless ones of "fanboys" calling people "stupid" or they should "go back to WoW" (a game ive never played.) It is one thing to defend a game. It is another to attack people who have criticism with insults and ignore their actual gripes. FFXIV "defenders" on these forums spend alot more time trying to humiliate and shut up people with complaints than they do addressing the complaints. So do the trolls try and shut up people who enjoy it.
I think the problem this time isn't that the game was released too early but that people didn't really do their research before trying it, many shouldn't have played it at all since it either is far from what they like in a game or their computers just can't run it well.
There is a big difference between Japanese games and western (yeah, you might count Japan as western too but other western then) or Chinese/Korean games. Many people outside Japan don't like that difference but the game is mainly made for japs and the rest of us have to deal with that, if you like it fine, if not too bad.
The PS3 styled controls might not have been a great move for the PC version however, I am not sure I think it is a great idea to have the same game for both platforms, at least not with similar controls.
And the game is far from perfect but it isn't in as bad shape as AoC, Vanguard or WAR and it didn't receive as much complains either (but you are probably not counting them as AAA games, neither do I).
You sir, are one of the MMORPG.com Forum Titans to me, and I agree with almost every post you make...thank you for posting justice is the threads I check out and saving me from having to say the same things!
I've been browsing the sites for this game and their just as much filled with hate as these boards. Sure there is a few defending the game but most are just really pissed. Most bad games had their shitstorm start a month in not before the game is fully launched.
Myself I hope the game tanks really hard. Why? I dont hate square but developers have been getting away with selling full price games that are half baked for too long. Hopefully the next AAA that gets released will take some notice. Doubtfull though.
First off if you would actually play the game you would realize that the servers are already filling up fast, so I think allot of people want to play this. Secondly most of the people trashing this game on these forums played it for one day in Beta then made their mind up. Thirdly if you have not played the game don't comment on it; we already have to many non players trying to explain why this game will fail.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
3.) I, and everyone I know personally playing the game, are thoroughly enjoying ourselves. Call me a fanboy if you want, but since we all know that the true definition of fanboy is "Someone who likes something you don't", I'll wear that title as a badge of honor.
No, actually, we don't all know that definition of fanboy...I do know these, though, from the Urban Dictionary. (probably the only place youll find an actual definition for the word.)
fanbois typically spend most of their free time telling anyone who will listen how perfect thier console of choice is, and how inferior all other products are. fanbois will not stop annoying other people until everyone they know is converted to their way of thinking.
neutral observer: "Console X looks to have a strong line up this year, but console Y still has the momentum from last year"
fanboi: "NO STFU CONSOLE Z IS THE BEST EVER. UR ALL IDIOTS, GO WASTE MORE MONEY ON YOUR SHIT CONSOLE X AND Y LOL"
fanboi 1: well well, if it isnt mr stupid console Y owner fanboi 2: your just jealous of how awesome console Y is
*fight to the death*
Now pay extra attention to number 3, because I think that one applies most to the FFXIV discussions around here. The number of FFXIV defenders telling people to "Go back to WoW," "This game is too elite for you," "learn to play!" far outweighs the number of people who defend the game with rational discussion of both its merits and its flaws.
I have never played FF online(any of them) and never will because when I was reading stuff about it on forums I always read people saying its FF and dont expect anything more or less. To everyone out there, especially non players like me, get over it and yourselves. FF is just being FF it was designed for FF players in mind and that is all. FF is one of thoes games where you hate it or you dont.
I've been browsing the sites for this game and their just as much filled with hate as these boards. Sure there is a few defending the game but most are just really pissed. Most bad games had their shitstorm start a month in not before the game is fully launched.
Myself I hope the game tanks really hard. Why? I dont hate square but developers have been getting away with selling full price games that are half baked for too long. Hopefully the next AAA that gets released will take some notice. Doubtfull though.
First off if you would actually play the game you would realize that the servers are already filling up fast, so I think allot of people want to play this. Secondly most of the people trashing this game on these forums played it for one day in Beta then made their mind up. Thirdly if you have not played the game don't comment on it; we already have to many non players trying to explain why this game will fail.
First off those servers will be dead in a month like AoC, WAR, Aion, APB ect.
Thats the whole point of the thread. Another big hyped mmo that was rushed out the door and its gonna tank because of it.
I've been browsing the sites for this game and their just as much filled with hate as these boards. Sure there is a few defending the game but most are just really pissed. Most bad games had their shitstorm start a month in not before the game is fully launched.
Myself I hope the game tanks really hard. Why? I dont hate square but developers have been getting away with selling full price games that are half baked for too long. Hopefully the next AAA that gets released will take some notice. Doubtfull though.
More than AOC? Vanguard? even STO? really?
90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho
I've been browsing the sites for this game and their just as much filled with hate as these boards. Sure there is a few defending the game but most are just really pissed. Most bad games had their shitstorm start a month in not before the game is fully launched.
Myself I hope the game tanks really hard. Why? I dont hate square but developers have been getting away with selling full price games that are half baked for too long. Hopefully the next AAA that gets released will take some notice. Doubtfull though.
Why would you hope the game tanks? That's just stupid. You may not like it but there are probably a ton of people that do. If you don't like the game, just show them you don't like it by canceling your sub, or not buying it to begin with. Instead of hoping the game "tanks" that's just juvenile, tbh.
I've been browsing the sites for this game and their just as much filled with hate as these boards. Sure there is a few defending the game but most are just really pissed. Most bad games had their shitstorm start a month in not before the game is fully launched.
Myself I hope the game tanks really hard. Why? I dont hate square but developers have been getting away with selling full price games that are half baked for too long. Hopefully the next AAA that gets released will take some notice. Doubtfull though.
First off if you would actually play the game you would realize that the servers are already filling up fast, so I think allot of people want to play this. Secondly most of the people trashing this game on these forums played it for one day in Beta then made their mind up. Thirdly if you have not played the game don't comment on it; we already have to many non players trying to explain why this game will fail.
First off those servers will be dead in a month like AoC, WAR, Aion, APB ect.
Thats the whole point of the thread. Another big hyped mmo that was rushed out the door and its gonna tank because of it.
I've been browsing the sites for this game and their just as much filled with hate as these boards. Sure there is a few defending the game but most are just really pissed. Most bad games had their shitstorm start a month in not before the game is fully launched.
Myself I hope the game tanks really hard. Why? I dont hate square but developers have been getting away with selling full price games that are half baked for too long. Hopefully the next AAA that gets released will take some notice. Doubtfull though.
Why would you hope the game tanks? That's just stupid. You may not like it but there are probably a ton of people that do. If you don't like the game, just show them you don't like it by canceling your sub, or not buying it to begin with. Instead of hoping the game "tanks" that's just juvenile, tbh.
It's not juvenile. I hope that they go broke and other developers take notice and dont release half baked games. If we keep feeding developers money for crap were gonna keep getting crap. Why? Because its profitable crap.
If a game being profitable meant a fully fleshed out game from release, the genre would be in a very different place now.
It's funny nobody has mentioned Aion in the mix, but I guess that game actually had good reviews for the first month or so. It was only after people got to the 30+ levels that they started complaining. But for me personally I think that was one of the smoother mmo releases post WoW.
It's to bad that the higher level play of that game sucked shit.
Also Final Fantasy 14 isn't a game for everyone, I think a lot of people knew that already. I mean hell there was already a Final Fantasy 11 so the people that didn't like that game I don't see why they would like this one. I personally tried the game for about a week, and never really played the game for longer than an hour at a time. I couldn't get around the combat mechanics they just weren't for me. I am glad I got to try the beta though, since I probably would of bought the game otherwise and then been really pissed since I actually spent money on it.
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First off, i don't know how anyone can talk about a "smooth" launch looking at the overwhelmingly bad word of mouth it gets and facing the fact that pratically nothing has changed since beta. If by "smooth launch" you mean "beeing able to log in eventually", then ok, you're right but that's about it.
Second: This game is not complex. I mean at all. Having unecessary timesinks ad infinitum does not equal complexity. In fact it's the most bare-bones MMO released in quite some time (they couldn't even be arsed to come up with at least original sounding classes, it's the same old Tank/Heal/DPS concept. The fact that you can mix it up a bit doesn't change that) covering the fact that there's no real content to speak of by making players do boring tasks and fighting over mobs for hours on end. That's the way MMOs where made 10 years ago.
Third: The market is not what it used to be. If games don't deliver fast, they go down quick. Look at Tabula Rasa, look at APB. The latter didn't even last four months. The only thing that will save the game (undeservingly) is the PS3-Launch because there's no competition on this platform.
I personally find the game to be perfectly suited to my style. It is probably the only mmorpg out there right now that I am willing to pay a flat monthly fee for. It has a unique crafting system (only Vanguard even comes close to it), fast-paced combat (no autoattack, sort of like AoC's best feature), and even made gathering FUN. If you manage to make something that is usually boring as heck such as crafting and gathering fun, you've done something right. In addition to that, the game world is amazing, regardless of what people may say about it. I've found secret fishing spots, mining areas, and even little settlements. To be honest, I've never seen a game that was so stable in the first week, especially considering we haven't even opened the doors on much of the content since its in "head-start CE" mode.
so fucking what? No one is asking for a "wow style of game". All that is asked for is a GOOD and FUN gameplay experience. Guild Wars for example did everything different than wow but they SUCEEDED at what they where doing, because what they did was well thought out and not just "different". Hello Kitty-Online Adventures sure is different but would you play it just for the sake of not beeing wow?
1.) There has never, ever, been an MMO released, where the general tenor of FORUM feedback has not been negative at rollout. Anyone who claims otherwise has either been living in a cave since the invention of the internet, or just lying.
2.) While its still too early for much in the way of official reviews, I've seen plenty of favoriable press on game websites (ie not forum posts) in various first impression articles. True, I don't think anyone likes the UI, and there are plenty of issues to mention, but the overall impression I am getting, again, outside of forums, is far from universal hatred.
3.) I, and everyone I know personally playing the game, are thoroughly enjoying ourselves. Call me a fanboy if you want, but since we all know that the true definition of fanboy is "Someone who likes something you don't", I'll wear that title as a badge of honor.
I remembering LOTRO getting rather OK from the community actually.
To me it seems like the forums changed after that.
But the fact that every single MMO after that have been released way too early could have something to do with that, Even FF XIV could have used a few more months of polish even if things are better than AoC, WAR and Vanguard.
You know what they say, first impressions lasts.
No, actually, we don't all know that definition of fanboy...I do know these, though, from the Urban Dictionary. (probably the only place youll find an actual definition for the word.)
Fanboi:
1) Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with thier particular thing.
"That damn fanboi only likes that game cause Capcom made it."
2) Geek Term related to forum users who think a product/company/person can do no wrong.
"No matter many bugs Star Wars Galaxies has, a fanboi will alway defend the developers."
3) Deliberate mispelling of the word 'fanboy' typically referring to an annoying, immature fan of a specific video game console.
fanbois typically spend most of their free time telling anyone who will listen how perfect thier console of choice is, and how inferior all other products are. fanbois will not stop annoying other people until everyone they know is converted to their way of thinking.
neutral observer: "Console X looks to have a strong line up this year, but console Y still has the momentum from last year"
fanboi: "NO STFU CONSOLE Z IS THE BEST EVER. UR ALL IDIOTS, GO WASTE MORE MONEY ON YOUR SHIT CONSOLE X AND Y LOL"
fanboi 1: well well, if it isnt mr stupid console Y owner fanboi 2: your just jealous of how awesome console Y is
*fight to the death*
Now pay extra attention to number 3, because I think that one applies most to the FFXIV discussions around here. The number of FFXIV defenders telling people to "Go back to WoW," "This game is too elite for you," "learn to play!" far outweighs the number of people who defend the game with rational discussion of both its merits and its flaws.
Also note that trolls are just as bad, and will pretty much say the reverse of the fanboys. Neither are productive, or worth aspiring to be. But hey, if you want that "Badge of Honor," go for it.
When I log onto this game... I have a really hard time thinking that its going to fail as much as some of the jaded mmo players are saying.. Its not even the regular release and most severs are filled. When I get in game, there are literally tons of people, and this is just the.preorder folks. I think some of you younger wow mmoers are neglecting to realize the core that this game has. These are people who will.stick through the shitty becoming just for the.love of the ip. Trust me, I played ff11, which by the way just had a new.expansion ... this came is not going anywhere for at least 8 years, so you might as well stop all the fail/doom talk. I love how the release hasn't even occurred, and as usual, most people on this site are predicting its failure as with every damn game that comes out.
Wow, I don't have enough words to express the amount of idiocy described in the two above posts.
Servers are always filled on the first month of a broken MMORPG. This game is not hard, complex, nor WoW-Player-Repelent. It is quite simply, crap.
You actually quoted the urban dictionary for legit info? Then you pick parts of the 3rd discription that suits the point you're trying to hammer home and think you've proved him wrong? Nope, I don't think so. Don't think that because you find people that speak up about a certain mmo annoying and immature that you can use those words to describe them. I'm DEFINITELY sure that FFXIV is not his nor anyone else's first mmo.
Although traditionally the first two discriptions have applied to mmo players to certain degrees, the term itself is so unstable and haphardly thrown about that it now means that anyone that opposes something that you don't like. IF it was his only mmo you'd have a leg to stand on or if he only bought SE mmos and not any from another company. But I'm quite sure neither here is the case.
And since 90% of the posters for FFXIV are very capable of pointing out more than a few flaws with the game, I'm not so quick to think of them as number 2s. So what do we have here:
1. Someone who buys anything (insert mmo) related and nothing more (plushies, keychains, undies, lunchboxes, etc.)
2. Someone who would NEVER admit that (insert mmo) has any issues, flaws, bugs, problems or defects.
3. Someone who is a specific console loyalist defending their console choice in the ongoing war between console users.
Nope I do not see 90% of the FFXIV buyers doing any of those things. The minute I confront a FFXIV player that doesn't admit (key word ADMIT) to each of the proven flaws FFXIV has, then I'll consider them a fanboi. Until then I'll hold my peace. But just becuase someone will play something that has flaws ands KNOWS it, it does not mean that they are blind fanbois. But I'll continue to believe that people are throwning about terms that no longer mean what they use to mean.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Yes, I actually quoted the urban dictionary, because it is a slang term that is being applied to the gaming community in general. If you look up fanboy in the normal dictionary, it talks about comic-book lovers, and thats it. The word as it is used on these and other forums you won't find in more reputable resources. But hey, you dont like Urban Dictionary, that's fine, how about another website, called the GeekDictionary.
Definition: A person blindingly in love with a company, person, or product.
Usage: John is such a fanboy. He would buy poop in a box from XYZ Corp.
As for the rest of your post..." I'm DEFINITELY sure that FFXIV is not his nor anyone else's first mmo."
So am I, I never claimed otherwise...in fact its a pretty safe bet that many FFXI'ers are in FFXIV, so not quite sure what your point is here. Maturity is not the number of games one has played, it is how one behaves themselves.
"Nope I do not see 90% of the FFXIV buyers doing any of those things. The minute I confront a FFXIV player that doesn't admit (key word ADMIT) to each of the proven flaws FFXIV has, then I'll consider them a fanboi."
Then you need to open your eyes. Is this the first FFXIV post you've visited on these forums? I wouldn't have written a post about fanboys and trolls if it weren't a GLARING problem around here. Many other watchers here can attest to the amount of blind fanboyism and trollism around here. You not being aware of it doesn't mean it isn't happening.
" Then you pick parts of the 3rd discription that suits the point you're trying to hammer home and think you've proved him wrong?"
What parts did I pick? I think the entire third definition is appropriate, not just parts. In fact the parts you highlighted were the LEAST significant to me, it was the second paragraph that I thought was most poignant. But that aside, im not trying to "prove him wrong." I don't know why you would think that, or why you would try and dispute the meaning of a word that most everyone will attest to having negative connotations. I never even called HIM a fanboy, he wants to call himself that. Is it because in his original post he stated what "EVERYONE KNOWS what fanboy REALLY means," and I tried to correct him by citing sources? Ok then, I guess im trying to prove him wrong. And hopefully shine a light on some other posters around here who are guilty of being fanboys and trolls. Sue me.
(Edit: And your third bullet point is badly paraphrased: "3. Someone who is a specific console loyalist defending their console choice in the ongoing war between console users."
First of all, substitute MMO for console. I figured that was a given since it is what we are talking about. Guess it DOES need to be spelled out. Second, the third definition is not about "defending their MMO of choice in the ongoing war between MMO users." THAT is selectively picking a part of a quote...the rest talks about attacking people who criticize the game with insults. Again, actually read some other FFXIV posts, and tell me you don't find countless ones of "fanboys" calling people "stupid" or they should "go back to WoW" (a game ive never played.) It is one thing to defend a game. It is another to attack people who have criticism with insults and ignore their actual gripes. FFXIV "defenders" on these forums spend alot more time trying to humiliate and shut up people with complaints than they do addressing the complaints. So do the trolls try and shut up people who enjoy it.
You sir, are one of the MMORPG.com Forum Titans to me, and I agree with almost every post you make...thank you for posting justice is the threads I check out and saving me from having to say the same things!
LIVE LONG LOKE666!!!!
First off if you would actually play the game you would realize that the servers are already filling up fast, so I think allot of people want to play this. Secondly most of the people trashing this game on these forums played it for one day in Beta then made their mind up. Thirdly if you have not played the game don't comment on it; we already have to many non players trying to explain why this game will fail.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
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Thanks for proving my point .
I have never played FF online(any of them) and never will because when I was reading stuff about it on forums I always read people saying its FF and dont expect anything more or less. To everyone out there, especially non players like me, get over it and yourselves. FF is just being FF it was designed for FF players in mind and that is all. FF is one of thoes games where you hate it or you dont.
First off those servers will be dead in a month like AoC, WAR, Aion, APB ect.
Thats the whole point of the thread. Another big hyped mmo that was rushed out the door and its gonna tank because of it.
More than AOC? Vanguard? even STO? really?
90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho
Haha how true. . that made me laugh! (although inside I cried a bit) Thanks!
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Why would you hope the game tanks? That's just stupid. You may not like it but there are probably a ton of people that do. If you don't like the game, just show them you don't like it by canceling your sub, or not buying it to begin with. Instead of hoping the game "tanks" that's just juvenile, tbh.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
no it wont ffxi was worse at release
Okay, listen closely, I am going to answer why forums tend to show more negative feedback for a game than positive.
Lean in closer.
... Because the people who are enjoying the game are playing it, and the people who do not like it are the ones on the forums.
*Lights pours down from the heavens and angelic voices sound out as your mind grasps hold of this revelation*
It's not juvenile. I hope that they go broke and other developers take notice and dont release half baked games. If we keep feeding developers money for crap were gonna keep getting crap. Why? Because its profitable crap.
If a game being profitable meant a fully fleshed out game from release, the genre would be in a very different place now.
It's funny nobody has mentioned Aion in the mix, but I guess that game actually had good reviews for the first month or so. It was only after people got to the 30+ levels that they started complaining. But for me personally I think that was one of the smoother mmo releases post WoW.
It's to bad that the higher level play of that game sucked shit.
Also Final Fantasy 14 isn't a game for everyone, I think a lot of people knew that already. I mean hell there was already a Final Fantasy 11 so the people that didn't like that game I don't see why they would like this one. I personally tried the game for about a week, and never really played the game for longer than an hour at a time. I couldn't get around the combat mechanics they just weren't for me. I am glad I got to try the beta though, since I probably would of bought the game otherwise and then been really pissed since I actually spent money on it.