Why do people keep confusing casual players with impatient ones? this game can be played by casuals who don't mind slow progression and results. But if you are looking to have everything within an hour of play everyday than sorry its not that kind of game. I consider myself casual. 2 to 3 hours a day is my play time however i spent atleast 6 hours this saturday alone.
Yes it takes me time to get things done but i am still a casual player.
I had the exact same attitude until I hit rank 20. I dont want everything handed to me but I dont want to spend days searching bazaars tryin to find reasonably priced gear, nor do I want to go on damn forums looking for people selling shit when this is 2010 and I should be able to do that in game. I hope you have that sentiment when you go to upgrade your armor b/c you can no longer kill anything with starting gear rank 20+
You know that AH and mail services are being introduced within next month or so right? you think those two things alone will help solve all the problems impatient people have? this topic is just not about AH but over all design of the game. Its not for those who looking for instant gratification.
1) I would love to see where SE said they will be putting in an AH "in a month or so"
2) instant gratification is wanting baseline equipment so that I can level? since when?
Why do people keep confusing casual players with impatient ones? this game can be played by casuals who don't mind slow progression and results. But if you are looking to have everything within an hour of play everyday than sorry its not that kind of game. I consider myself casual. 2 to 3 hours a day is my play time however i spent atleast 6 hours this saturday alone.
Yes it takes me time to get things done but i am still a casual player.
I had the exact same attitude until I hit rank 20. I dont want everything handed to me but I dont want to spend days searching bazaars tryin to find reasonably priced gear, nor do I want to go on damn forums looking for people selling shit when this is 2010 and I should be able to do that in game. I hope you have that sentiment when you go to upgrade your armor b/c you can no longer kill anything with starting gear rank 20+
You know that AH and mail services are being introduced within next month or so right? you think those two things alone will help solve all the problems impatient people have? this topic is just not about AH but over all design of the game. Its not for those who looking for instant gratification.
1) I would love to see where SE said they will be putting in an AH "in a month or so"
2) instant gratification is wanting baseline equipment so that I can level? since when?
Once again i wasn't talking about you. Stop taking this post personally unless you think you are one of those who are looking for instant gratification.
SE announced in some interview (i read it before beta) that they are not adding an auction house until later because they were worried that it would dictate the economy which they want to grow on its own using the current system. So yeah AH is for sure but when that is not sure. But over all guess in gaming community is within two months period.
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baseline (meaning the start of something) of your equipment was giving to you at character creation. Anything above that is going to require some crafting at least thats the way i see it i'm not sure what the max level is but 20 is pretty high i think for this game, someone who knows would have to confirm it though. Unless you mean baseline such as theres "normal" equipment on the vendors but the good stuff is crafted. I can understand that but i think SE just wanted crafter to craft all of the equipment as thats their entire class. You can see it as a flaw or something you don't like, some do, some don't.
Please don't claim to be more insightful then others. that just causes flame wars in here. you need only look at some of the other posts to see that. This goes for all cases not just yours
If you wait to come in when everything has settle be prepared to be behind everyone else and required to catch up quickly. The game is still new, it's not even released to the general public yet other then the CEs i think it's only been out, what a week? the first week of an MMO is always havoc, you got people all rushing to the same areas trying to kill the same mobs, all gathering up resources, trying to set a base prices things should cost and trying to figure out whether they want to play this game or not.
I'll stand by what i said before. In the lower levels it is casual friendly and if you rely on the PC merchants later on, it will be later level friendly but if you try and do everything yourself or try to race through now, it's not going to be casual friendly but then again if your level 20 already, your not very casual yourself now are you?.
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Why do people keep confusing casual players with impatient ones? this game can be played by casuals who don't mind slow progression and results. But if you are looking to have everything within an hour of play everyday than sorry its not that kind of game. I consider myself casual. 2 to 3 hours a day is my play time however i spent atleast 6 hours this saturday alone.
Yes it takes me time to get things done but i am still a casual player.
I had the exact same attitude until I hit rank 20. I dont want everything handed to me but I dont want to spend days searching bazaars tryin to find reasonably priced gear, nor do I want to go on damn forums looking for people selling shit when this is 2010 and I should be able to do that in game. I hope you have that sentiment when you go to upgrade your armor b/c you can no longer kill anything with starting gear rank 20+
You know that AH and mail services are being introduced within next month or so right? you think those two things alone will help solve all the problems impatient people have? this topic is just not about AH but over all design of the game. Its not for those who looking for instant gratification.
This kind of misinformed garbage is why you can't get a good, reliable impression about a game from this website. They have never said they were going to put in an AH, as a matter of fact, they've gone on record opposing any AH's because of the RMT problems of FFXI. Will they put in an AH at a later point? If they're smart they will, however until this very day the SE's official stance has been no AH and unless you can link something different, I'm going to have to point out that your lies aren't going to sell more games.
Originally posted by Skoamroth Originally posted by vesavius I actually like inter dependant crafting systems, and also like the idea of a player store system that takes us back to closer to what EQ used to be. The OP has actually helped sell me a little bit on this game.
haha funny, the only people who "like the idea" of the game are thoose with no expierence with it. So why not go buy the game right now instead of posting on forums? Because in some MMOs a few weeks after release some evil things like bots, hacks, goldspam, lack of content and such happen. I want to see, if these things happen in this game, and if so, how SE fights them.
Why do people keep confusing casual players with impatient ones? this game can be played by casuals who don't mind slow progression and results. But if you are looking to have everything within an hour of play everyday than sorry its not that kind of game. I consider myself casual. 2 to 3 hours a day is my play time however i spent atleast 6 hours this saturday alone.
Yes it takes me time to get things done but i am still a casual player.
I had the exact same attitude until I hit rank 20. I dont want everything handed to me but I dont want to spend days searching bazaars tryin to find reasonably priced gear, nor do I want to go on damn forums looking for people selling shit when this is 2010 and I should be able to do that in game. I hope you have that sentiment when you go to upgrade your armor b/c you can no longer kill anything with starting gear rank 20+
You know that AH and mail services are being introduced within next month or so right? you think those two things alone will help solve all the problems impatient people have? this topic is just not about AH but over all design of the game. Its not for those who looking for instant gratification.
This kind of misinformed garbage is why you can't get a good, reliable impression about a game from this website. They have never said they were going to put in an AH, as a matter of fact, they've gone on record opposing any AH's because of the RMT problems of FFXI. Will they put in an AH at a later point? If they're smart they will, however until this very day the SE's official stance has been no AH and unless you can link something different, I'm going to have to point out that your lies aren't going to sell more games.
Why don't we start with your link first where SE mentioned that AH will never be put at a later point? or you are agreeing with me here that AH will be implemented but not sure at what date.So what else did i say?
We don't really want to introduce the auctionhouse from the beginning because that is going to determine the economy system. So we want to improve it slowly and adjust it accordingly."
if you read my second post i clearly stated the same thing. And i also made it quite clear that in game community guess is within two months. So what are you raging for?
90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho
Why do people keep confusing casual players with impatient ones? this game can be played by casuals who don't mind slow progression and results. But if you are looking to have everything within an hour of play everyday than sorry its not that kind of game. I consider myself casual. 2 to 3 hours a day is my play time however i spent atleast 6 hours this saturday alone.
Yes it takes me time to get things done but i am still a casual player.
I had the exact same attitude until I hit rank 20. I dont want everything handed to me but I dont want to spend days searching bazaars tryin to find reasonably priced gear, nor do I want to go on damn forums looking for people selling shit when this is 2010 and I should be able to do that in game. I hope you have that sentiment when you go to upgrade your armor b/c you can no longer kill anything with starting gear rank 20+
You know that AH and mail services are being introduced within next month or so right? you think those two things alone will help solve all the problems impatient people have? this topic is just not about AH but over all design of the game. Its not for those who looking for instant gratification.
This kind of misinformed garbage is why you can't get a good, reliable impression about a game from this website. They have never said they were going to put in an AH, as a matter of fact, they've gone on record opposing any AH's because of the RMT problems of FFXI. Will they put in an AH at a later point? If they're smart they will, however until this very day the SE's official stance has been no AH and unless you can link something different, I'm going to have to point out that your lies aren't going to sell more games.
Why don't we start with your link first where SE mentioned that AH will never be put at a later point? or you are agreeing with me here that AH will be implemented but not sure at what date.So what else did i say?
We don't really want to introduce the auctionhouse from the beginning because that is going to determine the economy system. So we want to improve it slowly and adjust it accordingly."
if you read my second post i clearly stated the same thing. And i also made it quite clear that in game community guess is within two months. So what are you raging for?
Per Hiromichi Tanaka and Nabukai Komoto (you do know who they are?) in an interview with Jeux Online
Q: “Lots of people are wondering why you aren’t using the Auction House system from FFXI, could you tell us more about it?”
A: “It might be difficult at the beginning or we may be asking a lot of effort from people who enjoy the crafting system, but this time we want them to go to the market and have their own bazaar and use retainers and try to figure out what is going to be the best price. If there’s just an auction house it’s just obvious which is the cheapest price. The economies get determined quite easily, we would like players to establish their own market by themselves.”
Why do people keep confusing casual players with impatient ones? this game can be played by casuals who don't mind slow progression and results. But if you are looking to have everything within an hour of play everyday than sorry its not that kind of game. I consider myself casual. 2 to 3 hours a day is my play time however i spent atleast 6 hours this saturday alone.
Yes it takes me time to get things done but i am still a casual player.
I had the exact same attitude until I hit rank 20. I dont want everything handed to me but I dont want to spend days searching bazaars tryin to find reasonably priced gear, nor do I want to go on damn forums looking for people selling shit when this is 2010 and I should be able to do that in game. I hope you have that sentiment when you go to upgrade your armor b/c you can no longer kill anything with starting gear rank 20+
You know that AH and mail services are being introduced within next month or so right? you think those two things alone will help solve all the problems impatient people have? this topic is just not about AH but over all design of the game. Its not for those who looking for instant gratification.
This kind of misinformed garbage is why you can't get a good, reliable impression about a game from this website. They have never said they were going to put in an AH, as a matter of fact, they've gone on record opposing any AH's because of the RMT problems of FFXI. Will they put in an AH at a later point? If they're smart they will, however until this very day the SE's official stance has been no AH and unless you can link something different, I'm going to have to point out that your lies aren't going to sell more games.
Why don't we start with your link first where SE mentioned that AH will never be put at a later point? or you are agreeing with me here that AH will be implemented but not sure at what date.So what else did i say?
We don't really want to introduce the auctionhouse from the beginning because that is going to determine the economy system. So we want to improve it slowly and adjust it accordingly."
if you read my second post i clearly stated the same thing. And i also made it quite clear that in game community guess is within two months. So what are you raging for?
Per Hiromichi Tanaka and Nabukai Komoto (you do know who they are?) in an interview with Jeux Online
Q: “Lots of people are wondering why you aren’t using the Auction House system from FFXI, could you tell us more about it?”
A: “It might be difficult at the beginning or we may be asking a lot of effort from people who enjoy the crafting system, but this time we want them to go to the market and have their own bazaar and use retainers and try to figure out what is going to be the best price. If there’s just an auction house it’s just obvious which is the cheapest price. The economies get determined quite easily, we would like players to establish their own market by themselves.”
edit: Your link provides no evidence whatsoever that they plan to implement an AH/Mail system within a months time.
My link was to show that AH will be implemented. And like i said, if you read my second post i said that in game community guess is within 2 months or so because thats how much time it usually takes for economy to get stable.
This quote from gamecon converage (the link i posted before).
Regarding Final Fantasy XIV and the market battle system is something we would like to consider the equilevent to the auction house we had in Final Fantasy XI. Only that you'll also be able to fix your equipment and things like that. It is something we really want people to enjoy. Also after the release of the game we will see how it goes and for example find out what kind of search options players will want and need and improve the situation. We don't really want to introduce the auctionhouse from the beginning because that is going to determine the economy system. So we want to improve it slowly and adjust it accordingly.
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I actually like inter dependant crafting systems, and also like the idea of a player store system that takes us back to closer to what EQ used to be.
The OP has actually helped sell me a little bit on this game.
haha funny, the only people who "like the idea" of the game are thoose with no expierence with it. So why not go buy the game right now instead of posting on forums?
its interesting in theory, but like i said in my post, i'd have to try it.
and i'm not going to buy a game that won't run on my computer. scored a 228 on the FFXIV benchmark lol (pretty bad i know)
Look, I'm not going to argue with you anymore. Your word games and goal post moving indicate it's pointless. We'll let the people who read the links and read my post, where I quoted you as stating for a fact that AH/Mail would be in game within a month, Argue whatever obscure facts or twist the verbage however you want. The bottom line is you lied by stating that there would be an AH within the next month. I never said there would never be one, I think it's highly likely at some point, but am I going to lie and tell people that a feature will be implemented within a month's time when there is absolutely no evidence to back up this spurious belief? No.
The craft system is pretty bad possibly one of the worse I have seen, wanna make some rank 3 arrows for your Archer? u need 21 carpendry to turn twigs into arrow shafts, the whole balance is shot to hell. This game is even MORE of a timesink than FF11 was and I thought that would be near impossible to achieve. FF14 has now been dubbed FFTimesink. The game is in NO WAY a casual mmorpg with how long stuff takes.
Biggest mistake is not having an AH, its just stupid in this day and age to NOT have an AH in a mmorpg. I, myself also hate the stall system, makes shopping far to annoying, especally if you cannot search at all. I think imma cancel my buddy key acct and just wait 6+ months before I touch the game again and see if they improve any of it. It is SE though so I am not expecting much. Thinking of going back to FF11.. its honestly a better game, least IMO.
"An MMORPG could be completely diffirent from WoW. Just look at games like Dofus, Wizard101 or EVE. But as it is, most of the Western MMOs are trying to succeed by out-WoWing WoW. It's like an army of 10 sports games made about same sports, and barely none about other sports. WoW clone is an accurate description of those games, it manages to convey much information with only two words." -Poster on mmorpg.com
Rift: World of Warcraft clone #9321 Nothing special to see here move along.
As soon as you heard Sqeenix was developing FFXIV you should have relized it would not be casual friendly. This is the same company that intentionally designed an 18+ hour boss encounter and decided, "Hmmmm players were getting physically ill... maybe 18 hours is too long."
They designed a nigh unbeatable boss before that. It's only reliably beatable now because of the level cap increase. SE actually made a cryptic video for the community to give us a hint on how to kill it without using exploits.
They intentionally designed HNM's with long pop windows that encouraged people to sit there for three hours waiting around.
Relic weapons taking years to complete.
etc
How are you surprised that FFXIV is going to be a collosal time sink?
The craft system is pretty bad possibly one of the worse I have seen, wanna make some rank 3 arrows for your Archer? u need 21 carpendry to turn twigs into arrow shafts, the whole balance is shot to hell. This game is even MORE of a timesink than FF11 was and I thought that would be near impossible to achieve. FF14 has now been dubbed FFTimesink. The game is in NO WAY a casual mmorpg with how long stuff takes.
Biggest mistake is not having an AH, its just stupid in this day and age to NOT have an AH in a mmorpg. I, myself also hate the stall system, makes shopping far to annoying, especally if you cannot search at all. I think imma cancel my buddy key acct and just wait 6+ months before I touch the game again and see if they improve any of it. It is SE though so I am not expecting much. Thinking of going back to FF11.. its honestly a better game, least IMO.
The idea is that you will befriend the guy who is a carpenter. This games has one of the most thought out and engaging crafting systems I have ever seen in any game. It makes you think the whole process out. I am sorry you can't realize that.
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Look, I'm not going to argue with you anymore. Your word games and goal post moving indicate it's pointless. We'll let the people who read the links and read my post, where I quoted you as stating for a fact that AH/Mail would be in game within a month, Argue whatever obscure facts or twist the verbage however you want. The bottom line is you lied by stating that there would be an AH within the next month. I never said there would never be one, I think it's highly likely at some point, but am I going to lie and tell people that a feature will be implemented within a month's time when there is absolutely no evidence to back up this spurious belief? No.
Your stubborn attitude to ignore my second post where i mentioned that 2 months time is guess by in game community doesn't make me a liar. The main point of argument is still the same. AH will be released and thats what i have been trying to argue from first post.
90% of haters are begging for love. 10% just want a little attention -- Paulo Coelho
God I 'm loving it just delete the surplus system and I'll buy it.
Its so nice to see features such as no AH, deep character progression and needing a linkshell is pissing of the wow casuals the more the better. This will actually lead to a good, mature and dedicated community so more power to SE just remove the damn surplus system and yes, I know how it works still don't like it so thats the only reason why I haven't bought this game.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play." "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
God I 'm loving it just delete the surplus system and I'll buy it.
Its so nice to see features such as no AH, deep character progression and needing a linkshell is pissing of the wow casuals the more the better. This will actually lead to a good, mature and dedicated community so more power to SE just remove the damn surplus system and yes, I know how it works still don't like it so thats the only reason why I haven't bought this game.
Again, the only people supporting the game are people who wont buy/play it. Deep character progression? You mean you get to allocate the stat points when you lvl up? Or that you are limited by the number of skills you can use(even for your primary class) by action points. Doesn't matter, b/c if anyone said anything bad about FFXIV I would have told them to go back to WoW too, before actually played the game.
The best thing I can tell you is this, if you have never played this game but support the inept decisions SE has made pertaining to it - your opinion means nothing to most of the people who have actually played this game.
I actually like inter dependant crafting systems, and also like the idea of a player store system that takes us back to closer to what EQ used to be. The OP has actually helped sell me a little bit on this game.
haha funny, the only people who "like the idea" of the game are thoose with no expierence with it. So why not go buy the game right now instead of posting on forums?
I like the idea of the game and im playing it. Also no ah is one of their best features. Being rank 20 in 4 days dont sound to much casual for me, it sound like a hardcore player that want to be rank 50 in a week.
I actually like inter dependant crafting systems, and also like the idea of a player store system that takes us back to closer to what EQ used to be.
The OP has actually helped sell me a little bit on this game.
haha funny, the only people who "like the idea" of the game are thoose with no expierence with it. So why not go buy the game right now instead of posting on forums?
I like the idea of the game and im playing it. Also no ah is one of their best features. Being rank 20 in 4 days dont sound to much casual for me, it sound like a hardcore player that want to be rank 50 in a week.
I'm happy your happy theres no AH, don't get used to it. There's a lot more people who agree with me then you, SE will be putting an AH in sooner then later, if they care to retain virtually everyone in the westeren market excet for you.
yep this game isn't casual friendly, it is very much a community based game. I think thats a good thing though. You have to get a network of friends in order to progress. In my opinion not enough games do this right now. Most games you can play by yourself and barely touch the community.
While i agree AH makes it difficult, i do like i do in real life. I pick a day for shopping and thats all i do. Sometimes i'll find what i'm looking for, sometimes i won't. But thats me, i don't expect others to be that way.
I also encourage very much for people to understand the game they are playing or plan on buying. If they like being able to do alot of things on their own and only rely on the community to beat encounters and to talk to. Then this game isn't going to be for them. This one forces you to rely on the community for practically everything after a certain point.
To each their own though, i'm still waiting for the MMo i can live with for a while. Heres hoping ToR is it. Hasn't been one since EQ *sigh*
Witch is what an MMO should be
Exactly,whats the point in playing an mmo if you DONT want to make friends or meet people
Thats why I loved FF11 very group central
And by the way OP, if i remember FF11 crafting clearly,that toke almost as much work to get things done too
Unfortunatly I did read that SE was intentionally not implementing an AH, but I assumed that they would have given us a tool similar to it. I was way wrong. Also, this post is more of a heads up for people unfamiliar to the game who are thinking about buying it.
No AH and current crafting system makes this game an enormous time sink, and makes it next to impossible to play casually, (past level 15)
The game is fantastic. the comunity and players are great. And it takes a day to make a real decent pice of armor. This is not whack a mole.
I would suggest people buy this it is fantastic. So teh reality is is this is a real MMO you have to play it you have to get involved in all aspects of the game. Good job SE. Very good job.
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I actually like inter dependant crafting systems, and also like the idea of a player store system that takes us back to closer to what EQ used to be.
The OP has actually helped sell me a little bit on this game.
haha funny, the only people who "like the idea" of the game are thoose with no expierence with it. So why not go buy the game right now instead of posting on forums?
I like the idea of the game and im playing it. Also no ah is one of their best features. Being rank 20 in 4 days dont sound to much casual for me, it sound like a hardcore player that want to be rank 50 in a week.
I'm happy your happy theres no AH, don't get used to it. There's a lot more people who agree with me then you, SE will be putting an AH in sooner then later, if they care to retain virtually everyone in the westeren market excet for you.
YOu are wrong so get used to it or leave. The fun is back lame features like AH and auto mail are gone you have to get to know your fellow players. Also of interest with enforced naming and the difficulty all the idiots seem to have gone on top of that the game is bustling.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
I actually like inter dependant crafting systems, and also like the idea of a player store system that takes us back to closer to what EQ used to be. The OP has actually helped sell me a little bit on this game.
haha funny, the only people who "like the idea" of the game are thoose with no expierence with it. So why not go buy the game right now instead of posting on forums?
I like the idea of the game and im playing it. Also no ah is one of their best features. Being rank 20 in 4 days dont sound to much casual for me, it sound like a hardcore player that want to be rank 50 in a week.
I'm happy your happy theres no AH, don't get used to it. There's a lot more people who agree with me then you, SE will be putting an AH in sooner then later, if they care to retain virtually everyone in the westeren market excet for you.
And that day, the ah would destroy the crafters profit, because , like in any other game crafted items would be cheaper than the materials needed to make them Also a casual player is not one that go marked looking for the very specific item he need to replace that one that he have that is 1% worse. They are player that are going to go to the market, browse some shops and buy anithing that would be usefull for them that they could afford. That was one of the best things AC have. After a day of hunting, going to the market to brownse through player shops looling for item you could use.
OP, to be honest your thread makes this game more interesting to me than all the "Best Game ever, doesn´t hold your hand blah" posts, since I like crafting and such.^^
I didn´t play the game, but from how you describe it as a soloer, wouldn´t it be profitable, if you just specialize in 1-2 gathering classes and sell the resources to people who want to level their crafting classes? At least it worked this way in several other MMOs for me.
For a number of reasons, that would be very hard to do. As I considered the same thing, to fund buying armor or materials needed to craft armor, I set about selling logs and ore. Problem is, once again, no AH. Shout spamming will only get you so far before people get tired of seeing your name on the chat bar as well.
I encourage you to try it, but I don't think anyone really forsaw just how complicated this game is going to be without any way to at least search for an item you wish to buy. That aside, it wouldn't bother me so much, but the fact that it is marketed as "CASUAL FRIENDLY", well you get my point.
As per what Herodes says , the money is rolling in just selling resources as he stated. Or secondary crafts. If the population stays as is then the game will be fine.
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I just want people to read this thread befroe they buy the game, so they don't end up wasting money and being disappointed like I did.
I'm not trying to be a troll to the game i just want people to realize exactly what this game is, eeriely quiet chat, devoid of a market that is passable for AAA MMO, community required for crafting and gear, no community required for adventuring, in a nutshell. Oh yah, pretty graphics.
20 levels of fun does not result in a waste of money. MMO are the cheapest forms of entertainment evern if after 20 levels you want to move on your investment is not wasted.
So this thread is not much use to anyone. Play the game have some fun if it is too much then move on.
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I love complex MMO's thats what drew me to FFXIV, but I feel like I just got hoodwinked out of $75. DDO and ffxi were among my favorite mmo's ive ever played and I consider them more challenging/enganging/fun then the "beast" and beast clones, (I do not speak the name of the beast lest I give it power) I was looking forward to this game so much, and truth be told I enjoyed this game until level 15 or so, when it was time to upgrade armor...
You can't buy armor from NPC's, well you can but by the time you get enough gil to do it you will have out leveled it by 20 levels. So whats next, buy it from a fellow player who crafted it of course. So just head over to the AH and pick up new gear. OH YAH, THERE IS NO FREAKIN AH! No bother, I'll just go to the player market stalls and search for chest piece and buy some new armor, easy. WTF!!? NO search option, good luck running through everyones bazaar, hoping that you might come across a player selling the piece of armor you want to buy, for a decent price. Don't hold your breath.
Well, that leaves us wiith the last and most obvious option, roll up your sleeves and get to work! If you want something done right, make that damn armor yourself! Ok then easy I mean other people can make armor why can't you.
Well, the reason is the people making armor have a large network of other crafters suppling them with materials to make armor, such as an LS that is based almost exclusivley on crafting(b/c if you are proficient enough to make decent items by crafting, then belive me most of your ffxiv play time will goto crafting not adventuring). Why you ask, well b/c in order to make heavy armor by yourself, one must be just as proficient in weaving, and leatherworking. In order to be proficient enough in weaving and leatherworking one must also be just as proficient in alchemy and carpentry, which means you will need to be able to gather resources as a botanist. Leveling all of theese craft professions will indeed take days, with no adventuring at all. You will however have to adventure too get the shards and crystals required to craft items.
My point is, in order to craft yourself a peice of armor, you need to have every single craft profession almost the same level as armorer, or bother other people to give you the materials you need to skill up and create the item. Most people in my LS dont want to make leather to give me for hours so I can level up armorcraft, when they could be leveling up leatherworker or adventuring.
So, if you only play until levels 15-20 you might enjoy it, just wait until its time to upgrade equipment, you cant use starter equip forever, much as I tried.
In a year or a few months I will gladly look at this game again, but if your playing FFXIV in it's current state, enjoy paying for open beta.
I just made an linkshell tonight to address this very issue. You don't need to be proficient at other crafts, but you do need things from other crafts. I'm hoping my linkshell will be usefull as a secondary ls for when you need 10 buckles but don't know where to find them.
Make no mistake the crafting in this game is intricate. That's not a bad thing. Eventually other people will be doing the same thing I'm doing, which is develop efficient ways of communication so crafters (and gatherers) can work together.
Eventually you will probably be able to just level a battle job and sell all your crystals and that way get the gear you need. But we're at the very beginning of the game. Making those lvl 15 armor pieces is not easy for someone just starting out, but in a month it will be.
Part of the fun of this game is we're able to have an influence in how the virtual world is going to shape up. It's like the society in the game is currently in the stone ages. If you don't enjoy watching and participating in a growing society, then you're probably better off waiting a few months until everybody has created their own ways for things to work.
Oh and btw, there is tons of socializing and chatting going on, it's just all done in linkshells.
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1) I would love to see where SE said they will be putting in an AH "in a month or so"
2) instant gratification is wanting baseline equipment so that I can level? since when?
Once again i wasn't talking about you. Stop taking this post personally unless you think you are one of those who are looking for instant gratification.
SE announced in some interview (i read it before beta) that they are not adding an auction house until later because they were worried that it would dictate the economy which they want to grow on its own using the current system. So yeah AH is for sure but when that is not sure. But over all guess in gaming community is within two months period.
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baseline (meaning the start of something) of your equipment was giving to you at character creation. Anything above that is going to require some crafting at least thats the way i see it i'm not sure what the max level is but 20 is pretty high i think for this game, someone who knows would have to confirm it though. Unless you mean baseline such as theres "normal" equipment on the vendors but the good stuff is crafted. I can understand that but i think SE just wanted crafter to craft all of the equipment as thats their entire class. You can see it as a flaw or something you don't like, some do, some don't.
Please don't claim to be more insightful then others. that just causes flame wars in here. you need only look at some of the other posts to see that. This goes for all cases not just yours
If you wait to come in when everything has settle be prepared to be behind everyone else and required to catch up quickly. The game is still new, it's not even released to the general public yet other then the CEs i think it's only been out, what a week? the first week of an MMO is always havoc, you got people all rushing to the same areas trying to kill the same mobs, all gathering up resources, trying to set a base prices things should cost and trying to figure out whether they want to play this game or not.
I'll stand by what i said before. In the lower levels it is casual friendly and if you rely on the PC merchants later on, it will be later level friendly but if you try and do everything yourself or try to race through now, it's not going to be casual friendly but then again if your level 20 already, your not very casual yourself now are you?.
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This kind of misinformed garbage is why you can't get a good, reliable impression about a game from this website. They have never said they were going to put in an AH, as a matter of fact, they've gone on record opposing any AH's because of the RMT problems of FFXI. Will they put in an AH at a later point? If they're smart they will, however until this very day the SE's official stance has been no AH and unless you can link something different, I'm going to have to point out that your lies aren't going to sell more games.
Because in some MMOs a few weeks after release some evil things like bots, hacks, goldspam, lack of content and such happen. I want to see, if these things happen in this game, and if so, how SE fights them.
Why don't we start with your link first where SE mentioned that AH will never be put at a later point? or you are agreeing with me here that AH will be implemented but not sure at what date.So what else did i say?
http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/11066-gamescom-2010-coverage/
We don't really want to introduce the auctionhouse from the beginning because that is going to determine the economy system. So we want to improve it slowly and adjust it accordingly."
if you read my second post i clearly stated the same thing. And i also made it quite clear that in game community guess is within two months. So what are you raging for?
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Per Hiromichi Tanaka and Nabukai Komoto (you do know who they are?) in an interview with Jeux Online
Q: “Lots of people are wondering why you aren’t using the Auction House system from FFXI, could you tell us more about it?”
A: “It might be difficult at the beginning or we may be asking a lot of effort from people who enjoy the crafting system, but this time we want them to go to the market and have their own bazaar and use retainers and try to figure out what is going to be the best price. If there’s just an auction house it’s just obvious which is the cheapest price. The economies get determined quite easily, we would like players to establish their own market by themselves.”
http://www.jeuxonline.info/actualite/28161/tanaka-komoto-repondent-aux-questions-jeuxonlineedit: Your link provides no evidence whatsoever that they plan to implement an AH/Mail system within a months time.
http://www.jeuxonline.info/actualite/28161/tanaka-komoto-repondent-aux-questions-jeuxonlineedit: Your link provides no evidence whatsoever that they plan to implement an AH/Mail system within a months time.
My link was to show that AH will be implemented. And like i said, if you read my second post i said that in game community guess is within 2 months or so because thats how much time it usually takes for economy to get stable.
This quote from gamecon converage (the link i posted before).
Regarding Final Fantasy XIV and the market battle system is something we would like to consider the equilevent to the auction house we had in Final Fantasy XI. Only that you'll also be able to fix your equipment and things like that. It is something we really want people to enjoy. Also after the release of the game we will see how it goes and for example find out what kind of search options players will want and need and improve the situation. We don't really want to introduce the auctionhouse from the beginning because that is going to determine the economy system. So we want to improve it slowly and adjust it accordingly.
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its interesting in theory, but like i said in my post, i'd have to try it.
and i'm not going to buy a game that won't run on my computer. scored a 228 on the FFXIV benchmark lol (pretty bad i know)
Look, I'm not going to argue with you anymore. Your word games and goal post moving indicate it's pointless. We'll let the people who read the links and read my post, where I quoted you as stating for a fact that AH/Mail would be in game within a month, Argue whatever obscure facts or twist the verbage however you want. The bottom line is you lied by stating that there would be an AH within the next month. I never said there would never be one, I think it's highly likely at some point, but am I going to lie and tell people that a feature will be implemented within a month's time when there is absolutely no evidence to back up this spurious belief? No.
The craft system is pretty bad possibly one of the worse I have seen, wanna make some rank 3 arrows for your Archer? u need 21 carpendry to turn twigs into arrow shafts, the whole balance is shot to hell. This game is even MORE of a timesink than FF11 was and I thought that would be near impossible to achieve. FF14 has now been dubbed FFTimesink. The game is in NO WAY a casual mmorpg with how long stuff takes.
Biggest mistake is not having an AH, its just stupid in this day and age to NOT have an AH in a mmorpg. I, myself also hate the stall system, makes shopping far to annoying, especally if you cannot search at all. I think imma cancel my buddy key acct and just wait 6+ months before I touch the game again and see if they improve any of it. It is SE though so I am not expecting much. Thinking of going back to FF11.. its honestly a better game, least IMO.
"An MMORPG could be completely diffirent from WoW. Just look at games like Dofus, Wizard101 or EVE. But as it is, most of the Western MMOs are trying to succeed by out-WoWing WoW. It's like an army of 10 sports games made about same sports, and barely none about other sports. WoW clone is an accurate description of those games, it manages to convey much information with only two words."
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Rift: World of Warcraft clone #9321 Nothing special to see here move along.
As soon as you heard Sqeenix was developing FFXIV you should have relized it would not be casual friendly. This is the same company that intentionally designed an 18+ hour boss encounter and decided, "Hmmmm players were getting physically ill... maybe 18 hours is too long."
They designed a nigh unbeatable boss before that. It's only reliably beatable now because of the level cap increase. SE actually made a cryptic video for the community to give us a hint on how to kill it without using exploits.
They intentionally designed HNM's with long pop windows that encouraged people to sit there for three hours waiting around.
Relic weapons taking years to complete.
etc
How are you surprised that FFXIV is going to be a collosal time sink?
The idea is that you will befriend the guy who is a carpenter. This games has one of the most thought out and engaging crafting systems I have ever seen in any game. It makes you think the whole process out. I am sorry you can't realize that.
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Your stubborn attitude to ignore my second post where i mentioned that 2 months time is guess by in game community doesn't make me a liar. The main point of argument is still the same. AH will be released and thats what i have been trying to argue from first post.
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God I 'm loving it just delete the surplus system and I'll buy it.
Its so nice to see features such as no AH, deep character progression and needing a linkshell is pissing of the wow casuals the more the better. This will actually lead to a good, mature and dedicated community so more power to SE just remove the damn surplus system and yes, I know how it works still don't like it so thats the only reason why I haven't bought this game.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Again, the only people supporting the game are people who wont buy/play it. Deep character progression? You mean you get to allocate the stat points when you lvl up? Or that you are limited by the number of skills you can use(even for your primary class) by action points. Doesn't matter, b/c if anyone said anything bad about FFXIV I would have told them to go back to WoW too, before actually played the game.
The best thing I can tell you is this, if you have never played this game but support the inept decisions SE has made pertaining to it - your opinion means nothing to most of the people who have actually played this game.
haha funny, the only people who "like the idea" of the game are thoose with no expierence with it. So why not go buy the game right now instead of posting on forums?
I like the idea of the game and im playing it. Also no ah is one of their best features.Being rank 20 in 4 days dont sound to much casual for me, it sound like a hardcore player that want to be rank 50 in a week.
I'm happy your happy theres no AH, don't get used to it. There's a lot more people who agree with me then you, SE will be putting an AH in sooner then later, if they care to retain virtually everyone in the westeren market excet for you.
Witch is what an MMO should be
Exactly,whats the point in playing an mmo if you DONT want to make friends or meet people
Thats why I loved FF11 very group central
And by the way OP, if i remember FF11 crafting clearly,that toke almost as much work to get things done too
The game is fantastic. the comunity and players are great. And it takes a day to make a real decent pice of armor. This is not whack a mole.
I would suggest people buy this it is fantastic. So teh reality is is this is a real MMO you have to play it you have to get involved in all aspects of the game. Good job SE. Very good job.
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YOu are wrong so get used to it or leave. The fun is back lame features like AH and auto mail are gone you have to get to know your fellow players. Also of interest with enforced naming and the difficulty all the idiots seem to have gone on top of that the game is bustling.
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haha funny, the only people who "like the idea" of the game are thoose with no expierence with it. So why not go buy the game right now instead of posting on forums?
I like the idea of the game and im playing it. Also no ah is one of their best features. Being rank 20 in 4 days dont sound to much casual for me, it sound like a hardcore player that want to be rank 50 in a week.I'm happy your happy theres no AH, don't get used to it. There's a lot more people who agree with me then you, SE will be putting an AH in sooner then later, if they care to retain virtually everyone in the westeren market excet for you.
And that day, the ah would destroy the crafters profit, because , like in any other game crafted items would be cheaper than the materials needed to make themAlso a casual player is not one that go marked looking for the very specific item he need to replace that one that he have that is 1% worse. They are player that are going to go to the market, browse some shops and buy anithing that would be usefull for them that they could afford. That was one of the best things AC have. After a day of hunting, going to the market to brownse through player shops looling for item you could use.
As per what Herodes says , the money is rolling in just selling resources as he stated. Or secondary crafts. If the population stays as is then the game will be fine.
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20 levels of fun does not result in a waste of money. MMO are the cheapest forms of entertainment evern if after 20 levels you want to move on your investment is not wasted.
So this thread is not much use to anyone. Play the game have some fun if it is too much then move on.
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I just made an linkshell tonight to address this very issue. You don't need to be proficient at other crafts, but you do need things from other crafts. I'm hoping my linkshell will be usefull as a secondary ls for when you need 10 buckles but don't know where to find them.
Make no mistake the crafting in this game is intricate. That's not a bad thing. Eventually other people will be doing the same thing I'm doing, which is develop efficient ways of communication so crafters (and gatherers) can work together.
Eventually you will probably be able to just level a battle job and sell all your crystals and that way get the gear you need. But we're at the very beginning of the game. Making those lvl 15 armor pieces is not easy for someone just starting out, but in a month it will be.
Part of the fun of this game is we're able to have an influence in how the virtual world is going to shape up. It's like the society in the game is currently in the stone ages. If you don't enjoy watching and participating in a growing society, then you're probably better off waiting a few months until everybody has created their own ways for things to work.
Oh and btw, there is tons of socializing and chatting going on, it's just all done in linkshells.