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The Combat Upgrade Rocks!
fawd
Member Posts: 367
Why was everyone complaining? The CU is awesome! I mean, I can't wear my RIS armor, my character sucks because he is a Teras Kasi Master, but, I love the new CU. It has truely changed the gameplay for the better.
Oh, and if your a padawan or a jedi, please dont complain. Its good that you guys arent very good anymore and is hard for you guys to get exp. ((Hopefully it will stop everyone from going for jedi)) 
And, it will make the game more balanced.
Oh, and most of the people that hate the CU are pissed because they cant solo kraytes anymore... lol!
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There are a lot of people aching and moaning about the change. It's easy to just sit in front of the starport to protest...it's another thing to get off your butt and learn how to play the new game.
My guild did DWB last night and I had a blast. We actually used TEAMWORK! Imagine that! Instead of getting uber buffed and killing quenkers on Dant solo (which is no challange whatsoever) We had to use our skill and think fast to defeat our enemy. It was the most fun I've had in this game in a long time.
I guess the people who are crying about the changes will either accept them or leave...it won't be anything new. That always happens when games make major changes. All I can say is DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR BACKSIDE ON THE WAY OUT.
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lol, I just said to you "GO get em' freethinker" on the General Dicussion Forums... guess im going to say it again
Go get em' freethinker!
((im on Vaclyn, and noone was complaining about the CU... everyone was trying to figure it out...))
Well, I am sure there are a few people that hate it...
I don't want to be one of those "Stop whining, you whiners!" people, but I'm not having any trouble with the CU at all. In fact, my only problem is the people complaining about it and protesting about it rather than grouping with me and getting stuff done.
I have two chars who I play semi-regularly. An 80 lvl Master Rifleman (which I may chagne to Pistoleer or MBH) and a lvl 7 Unarmed Brawler. I didn't have a problem with EITHER of these.
At the lower levels, you have to stay closer to the city now. I mean, that's just natural.
It's certainly understandable that a lot of players can't use weapons or equipment they had before, and I know that HAS TO suck, but there is a lot of good in the CU, and I do think combat itself is a lot more fun. I just hope these people don't give up on the game entirely and learn to play the new system. It's really not bad.
Well..I'm doing my best..lol. These folks aren't giving the new game a chance from what I've seen.
Anyway...I play on Eclipse and we had 4 protesters outside Theed yesterday. They were protesting by removing their clothes and sitting in front of the starport in their underwear. I tried to talk with them but they were afk-macroing their protest (guess It's not important enough to actually stay in-game while you're protesting it.)
When I came back after our hunt, there was stil only four sitting there...I guess no one else was interested in joining their protest...probably because everyone else was too busy trying to learn the new game.
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Of course if any of the paying customers wanted a new game they would have just gone out and bought a new game wouldn't they. But they didn't. They liked the game they were paying for. Now it no longer exists. Many have put a year or two into something that was just taken away from them and replaced with something they didn't ask for and wasn't ready for beta testing let alone live. The only reason it was going live May 5 was because it's incorporated into the expansion, not because it was anywhere close to ready. The only reason it went live even earlier was to keep the players so busy trying to figure it out they wouldn't notice that Guild Wars also went live on the 27th.
I'm not saying the CU is all bad, it's not. I am saying that in it's current state it is grossly inferior, and will continue to be for months, to what we had previously, as imperfect as it was.
Revamping combat = good idea
The CU as it was intended to be = I guess we'll neve know now will we
The CU as it was on TC = awful
The CU as it is live = no change from TC
All of these things could have and would have been overlooked by many (most?) of the naysayers just because its the only Star Wars MMO. No longer.
SOEs fascistic treatment of the people that put food on their plates. Not just for shoving this unwanted & unready CU down their throats but for the censorship, bans, lack of communication other than to deny there was a problem and bald faced lies = the death of SWG, and a sad day it is.
You obviously don't play a crafting character then. "combat upgrade" should have been just that. I agree with SonOfAGhost. SOE acted in a Totalitarian manner punishing anyone who criticized them. As a former 12 point AS, none of my layers converted, all my NS/Krayt and other enhancers are now garbage, as are a ton of my resources. Why should I have to collect resources that were normally collected by weaponsmiths and shipwrights for use in armor? I was not a big AS on my server, but to nerf my profession sucked. It took me 1.5 years of gathering, buying resources and stuff to make some of the best comp on the server, 80/80/90 base comp (after slice). And to add to the misery of the 12 new NAMED resources to make armor, only 2 of them spawned after the announcement they would be required prior to the early CU release.
BTW, the door didn't hit me. I am either cancelling/turning over my toons to other guild members and waiting for something else to come along. I don't pay and put forth effort to be treated in this manner in a game.
I am a crafter myself and the combat revamp spiced up my crafter live again. People buy more droids, people buy more ship components (the new multiplayer ship parts are in high demand), people buy more resources and demand even more.
I get some new schematics, the devs changed the crafting formula to a more sensible way of determining good resources (and are working on fixing the grafical displays so this shows better on the screen). Faction equipment is now craftable.
Sounds like a good change. Yes, armorsmith and docs have changed a lot. But its the same for all in the profession group , so no one is at a disadvantage in his peer group. And the demand for new armor is HIGH, especially faction armor.
So ... quite a few people will cancel. More business for those who stay and those breaking into the business with new characters.
Have fun
Erillion
The "in-thread" poll is turning out to be interesting . . .
My main account (commando) is in a holding pattern: quick fix the horrid lag, load-up times, can't solo because of outrageous level crap. I like to solo and we were told solo would stil be a viable play option right? I like to group occassionally, but ALL the damn time? 90% of my guild and friends are gone and I really don't want to spend all my time LFG and getting all huggy-squeezie with a new crop of twelve-year olds. FYI: I for one never tried to solo a Krayt or other big beast and routinely got my butt kicked by "reds" so don't go there.
My armorsmith is now a cancelled account (which for some strange reason was almost emotional): all kinds of neat NEW things to craft and yet the NEW named resources DON'T SPAWN and my current resources and segments cant be used because they were NERFED and are now useless. Can anyone explain the reasoning behind this? Other crafters will benefit from this, especially Droid Engineers and Bio-Engineers since you had better take along a pet or droid to "tank" for you when facing overwhelming odds. You still die, but at least you've got that cute pet to comfort you back in the cloner.
My view of SOE "customer service": Deplorable. Communication is the key to any business success, we might have swallowed some of these changes if there had been an open line of communication. And yet, what we have seen is a whitewash by SOE making dang sure to cover up complaints and use propaganda to disguise the rush implementation of CU so that the expansion wouldn't be delayed and the Episode III movie had ONE more product tie-in.
Three other accounts were previously cancelled.
And now all you forum trolls are welcome to flame away, if you can find time to tear yourselves away from your empty servers just filled to the brim with naked protesters and dozens of players.
The Force WAS with us, then came the CU!
I have cancelled all 3 of my accounts. And yes, cancelling my AS account was emotional. As I said before...I shouldn't have to re-learn completely the game and professions I have been playing for 1.5 years.
Helllooooo Guild Wars!
I never solo'd a krayt, or an elder for that matter. I didn't own any overly uber weapons or armor. My main toon was a Master Dancer and Master Creature Handler with novice rifle. I was greeted upon log in by not being able to move until I surrendered novice rifleman and got myself out of negative skill points. Yes, I knew this would happen and yes I played on test center from day one of the CU beta.
The game is no longer fun, not because I am afraid of change, not because I am no longer uber, not because I don't like grouping... but because I'm seriously sick of dealing with SoE's lack of customer service and SWG is even buggier and unbalanced now than it was 2 years ago.
The CU DOES NOT ROCK. My character is beyond uber now. In fact, I solod 4 Grand Krayts at the same time. All of the weapons and attack seem to do about the same thing now. Ranged does not seem to matter and there is not much differenct between a krayt and a dragonette now (as far as difficultly). Before soloing a krayt DID take planning and skill. If you were not careful and did not know the technique, you would die. Now I simply stand at any range, in front of any creature, with any weapon and sttack with any attack. No matter what it is I kill it. I have no nned for buffs, and I can no longer stim, but it is not like I need it. How is mindlessly mashing a button every 5 seconds an improvement? Before if you went up against a krayt and didn't intimidate it you were DEAD. Now any jacka55 with 2 elite profs can kill krayts all day long. DWB is a JOKE. I can do it solo now without sweat and without buffs. Improving team work? Group play? HARDLY. Anyone that likes this upgrade is a n00b or has not really played it. I got bored from time to time in the old system but je5us! now i can't even be killed EVER! That will not make things more exciting. Somebody should have tested this! Before the 'upgrade' I can't recall a single person saying "What this game needs are fewer combat options!" 4 attacks per prof! Give me a break! They are trying to turn combat into mindless clicking! No thanks! I will stick with MS solitare for that.
It really annoys me to see this kind of stuff. The people who write it obviously have not been reading what the CU's detractors are actually saying.
YES, it's fine that some critters are harder etc etc, so don't even TRY to make some lame excuse about ppl wanting to solo Krayts. That aspect of the CU was what EVERYBODY was looking forward to.
That's not the problem. The problem is that they changed/broke a whole bunch of unrelated stuff at the same time as (maybe) actually rebalancing combat. Numeric levels! Disney pixiedust! Clown icons! No queue! Etc etc.
If you don't care about that stuff, fine. Lots of us do. And we don't appreciate being told that it's really because we wanted to solo Krayts. He11, there are players USING the new interface to solo krayts right now, and they STILL hate it!
yeah it rocks just read these 5000 posts......
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Developers&message.id=63147&view=by_date_ascending&page=221
The archer who overshoots his target, misses just as much as the one who falls short.
You can still solo Krayts.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
I played on Valcyn as well and nearly everyone who didn't like the CU did as they said and quit the game.
If you are into combat 100%, then I guess the CU does rock - but if you aren't into Combat (such as myself), the CU sucked in a major way and made the game unplayable.
I play games to enjoy myself, and SWG post-CU was anything but enjoyable (dying constantly when trying to check harvestors or factories was not my idea of fun). What combat I did try I found to be tedious and boring, and not all that rewarding.
VALE SWG.
Catz....
Hi wouldnt go that far to say that the CU or the idea behind it sucks. What really pisses me off is the fact, that SOE promised to add a more star warsy feeling to the game and sooo failed doing it. Most of the new Special effects are comepletly unnecessary not to mention the totally fucked up weapon sounds.
There are also some minor balancing issues at the moment that take away a good portion of fun for me. I like the idea to put some emphasis on the role of doc/CMs but the single heal of the master doc heals something like 650 without enhancers..thats noch even 1/4 of the max HP of a lvl 80 (unbuffed...) - and has like 9secs reuse timer. Even if you combine it with the small single heal and the HOT...thats just lousy imho and definitly not sufficent if you fight something with cl 90+
But hopefully they will get it right in the near future.
Even if you would be angry because you cant solo a mob, it could be legitimate.
IMO, anything that is solo related need to be possible to be soloed by at least 1 class. In CoH, when I was unable to solo AVs I need for my accolades(which impact solo, thereby someone need to be able to solo them), I check if ANYONE was able to solo those AVs, and when I see that this solo reward was out of reach of soloers, I was angry and I am still angry.
Been able to reach the TOP of the solo system without doing anything but soloing is vital and legetimate, no matter what peoples say. Accolades that give stats while soloing need to be 100% solo earnable by at least 1 person without any non-solo ressources.
If you are angry because a mob is close to where you solo is impossible to solo, it can be legetimate as well, unless it is immortal and nobody can kill it and it was intended as a challenge for everyone, not as a teaser for soloers.
If you are angry because you cant solo stuff that dont impact solo, then you are wrong to be angry, if it have no impact on the soloing world, then it dont need to be possible to solo it. If mobX give a reward a soloer want to solo better, then it need to be possible for some folks to solo it...if it give stuff that help whatever is not solo oriented, then it dont need to be solo earnable. If it does both, then it need to be solo earnable until they fix it so it appeal only soloers or others folks, not both.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Fawd, first off ur poll shows ur a loser plus the fact that u like a CU=Downgrade that killed aboout ever Professsion and that TKMs dont have any armor make me laugh at ur stpidity at how much u will listen to liers and keep giving then cookies and milk, it also shows that u cant play a real game except a generic over-sized-Downgraded 1 that only ppl with IQs lower than the size of a roxk could like.
Point 1 is when u lose a Jedi to a Hacker and this happens a lot but dumbarses at SOE dont report it that it happens all the time, but it does. But when that happened to me i had a Jed ans a Jedi Seninel on TC hacked and had to Erase them then had to start from scratch.
As my right and mt creed a lot of us deserved that Jedi Slot before CU=Downgrade, period boy. Whether u like it or not i did and some others did to but those dipps at LA and SOE messed things up.
And by the way u sure the hell dont know what balanced is, u need to get Educated because the game is in Hell.
Well..I'm doing my best..lol. These folks aren't giving the new game a chance from what I've seen.
Anyway...I play on Eclipse and we had 4 protesters outside Theed yesterday. They were protesting by removing their clothes and sitting in front of the starport in their underwear. I tried to talk with them but they were afk-macroing their protest (guess It's not important enough to actually stay in-game while you're protesting it.)
When I came back after our hunt, there was stil only four sitting there...I guess no one else was interested in joining their protest...probably because everyone else was too busy trying to learn the new game.
No, everyone else is gone. The crafters are gone, 90% of my 300 member guild is gone, our cities are empty, and jerks like you completely ignore the fact that if nothing else, the ignorant mops at SOE have completely gutted our community of players and friends with two-year relationships.
What a winner scope there, eh?
its people that think that way, that make the game die. Be positive, and it will get better!
Oh, and I am a mayor and a guild leader, my city is slowly dieing, but my guild hasnt changed. When the CU came out, my guild was on the verge of quiting! we went on a huge guild hunt, and really tested the CU. It was the BEST HUNT ever.
Maybe, you should have taken some initiative to save your guild?
Its really not that hard.
Thanks for blaming me for SOE's errors. I guess you and Smedley got it all wrapped up. If your guild was on the verge of quitting right before the CU hit seems to me that YOU should have done something. In comparison the three cities we have were near maximum capacity. Within a week they're empty.
That's about 480 accounts between three cities, 8 guilds, ours having 300 people, down to maybe 15 people online now. You try something smart guy, for everyone else there's little left but to switch to WOW.
Huge guild hunt, what with your one group of 8? We had guild hunts consisting of 100 people at a time the week before. Sheesh
Ok while yall are saying this rocks that rocks, i did the "you must group for a few days", it was always the same, and only surprises were when over population came, missing missions, the healers not being albe to keep up with the group cause of timer on the heals
Continual"target not seen" 1-0 meters away, target invald, then i discovered if in a group you just had to hit mob once and get full experaince on my bad days i could not do the fast "grinding groups"
Next thing i tried brand new server new toon, om my gosh i stuck it out banging my head against the wall, try the newbe experaince i dare you,to get to 4 4 4 4 on the lower trees now else where without your back up support or monies or pals...............
See what it is like being say a combat level 9 taking a combat level 7 missions and what happens to you, 9 times in a row (knock down failed) target not seen, invalid target
i stayed outside of Esily, kern tried cnet those darn level 1 thuds, one shooting a level 9 player the NPCS are not balanced yet even were they are "suppose to be balanced"...................
Let me tell you about argo and massive spawn, did i metion that even scout mask scent masive spawn boom youre dead ( again), Several times the 'harvesting did not come up" there was a time in beta where scouts got no experaince ( loging in and totaly out corrected that )
oh then the funies of acatuly getting the box and then endlessly clicking on trainer to get the *go*
Try running around without mounts speeder bikes, just see what happens there is still random spawn even just 2nd level =verses a =9 level combat 3 shots incap, run into a house they follow u up the stairs another trip to clone center
i do know where folks group on high end of game mining, or lok ,occosinaly endor
but the low end game sucks royal goose eggs now untill massive improvements are made on pve end into accout and correct documentation bahhhhhhhhhhh
I feel totaly sorry for anyone trying this out as it is....... Not understanding why they cannot kill a BLUE TO THEM MOB
Or why a level 2 or 1 npc is incapating them because of "TARGET NOT SEEN or invalid target"
Im gald some folks have a guild strong ties and associations, but for a new player the experaince is worse then ever, oh gesh ever look at prices on the bazzar????????????
Trying to figure out which weapon to get and cannot afford any? or seeing armor then realizing you can't wear it. Remember Little to no documention for cu ...................'
yes some servers are seeing newbes, many seeing what the new "features are without using there main toon to do it " and for this player the new player experaince is well, bad at the moment
i saw endless, countless times, today of folks trying a box or two then lots and lots of folks just sit down and log ..................
few things, first off, my guild has 50 people in it, and only 3 people have left. And, I did take initiative to show everyone how great the CU really is. Second, I am not sure about you, but, my server is doing perfectly fine, everyone enjoys the CU, except for the occassional "Fivo" that complains alot about a perfectly fine patch.
Oh, and, for all of you complaining about the bugs, every MMORPG has them, every patch has them. The CU is the biggest patch ever to hit SWG, so, of corse it is going to have its fair share of bugs.
Third, Zoey121 here had some very good points that are true about the CU, and he has his evidence to back it up. Like every MMORPG, its going to have its bugs and its problems. Live with it, otherwise, leave the game. THats just my opinion