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EU F2P is really a limited trial version.. pointless
jessian
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So there i am after subbing again for a month when off on holiday during october my sub ran out on the 29th october.
then i realised that we EU players now got F2P, so i waited unil the 2nd november for that launch. in this mini F2P review i believe its a complete waste of time. Why go F2P if you are going to handicap players playing your game? well to make money...simples eh.
Lets take an example of this "making money"
In the UK our rates would be 8.99 a month to sub to this game, here you get everything in the game unhindered, travel, swift travel, quests, zones and monster play.
Take our new player, never played lord of the rings before, he/she plays F2p to try it out. So he/she quests to level 18/20 and then finds quests (basic ones telling them to go to other zones, North downs, Lone lands.) here they are hit with,
Travel restrictions once they find the connecting hubs, to unlock swift travel costs, for 60mins only 600 points, (currently on sale! for 200) 420 points is = £5.28 / 1200 = £14.68 .. now thats for FREE travel only for 60minutes... Hangon, if you sub for 30 days its only 8.99 !!!
now the new player and myself go to the new zone, say Lone-lands, to quest here new players need to "unlock" these quests for the brilliant price of >> 280 points.. again around £2.50.
Yet the player subbed for only 8.99 a month is free. We can understand the game going F2P but isnt F2P supposed to be benefical rather than subbing to the game? we should think so. My gripe really is the costs involved in trying to play the game FREE, i dont expect all the content to be open to players paying for free. but i think after a couple of months any new players that did join to play this game on the F2P model will find this version very frustrating and pointless. to which turbine will shoot themselves in the foot as the only players really playing where the existing sub base and even then a majority will still sub
The new Zone Edenwaith, a zone i should be moving my 64 guardian over to, costs 695 TP, roughly £7.00.. my view why pay for that when i can just sub back up when i want...
/discuss
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I paid for all the content, Now i can play Sub free as long as I like.
The Coins i have and will earn in game will pay for any expansions, mounts, quest/skirmish content i will ever want.
THats the bonus of being Premium, I made Lotro an amazing AAA mmorpg a B2p experience.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
but...but....Gandalf himself sed "YOU...SHALL....NOT....PAY!".
I have a lifer account so I'm not exactly sure but I think the sub price here in the US is 14.99. If I'm correct, your sub is almost half that.
What are you complaining about?
Also you can earn point by other means than paying for them.
It is expected that someone will complain, just like the NA conversion complaints, but really it comes off more like whining to me. Pay the sub, or work for your points.
Nothing in life is free. My advice, get used to it.
I think is was pass.
Oh but that was in the book/movie, you must be talking about the commercial ;P
8.99 UK as in pounds, which is roughly 15 dollars.
Although, seeing as how Codemasters are handling things here in europe, I'd say we should pay less xD.
+1
Lotro really is a good game. I dont understand how anyone could complain when you have free access to the game. With the next patch you get all the epic book content from 1-65 and everyone gets quick travel.
Even though i bought everything i needed ive earned enough coins to buy quite a few hubs with just two classes to thier 40's (guard 48, Ward 40).
I guess if it isnt handed to them 100% free then they bitch... sorry Lotro isnt welfare.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
thats not correct,
i also have paid for Mines of moria, Siege of mirkwood and subbed since launch on and off. now my own Alt characters need to "unlock" the basic zones to continue on questing past 18-20 level
Which havent i already paid for? as you claim here?
Well done you worked out that Free to Play is actualy a money making scheme *claps*, there are businesses behind these games and they want to make cash. Free to play draws people in and tempts them to dish a bit of cash out or maybe even subscribe because they're enjoying themselves so much.
Companies don't say "Let's make our game free so we go bankrupt and all these people can have fun".
Edit: And if you want what you had before you have to sub like you were doing before, it's pretty simple, kind of makes sence.
If you saw first news about lotro f2p then you should know what they were gonna give ppl was the so called extended trial and as they wanted more players f2p is a good idea. It was tested on d&d and if it worked, why not make lotro f2p?
but I don't care, I got lifetime
How ingenious! You compare buy prices to rent prices.
Look at those people paying 150k€ for a house if you can rent an apartment for 600€! Yeah we are one clever bunch. Lets rent everything, clothes, cars, living space ... its so much cheaper.
Swift Travel gets made available to ex VIPs in the next upgrade, and really anyone thats even thinking about buying TP should first get ex VIP status for his chars because it will safe you points you can spend on other stuff. Besides you completely ignore that players can earn these points ingame.
I didnt play before the game went F2p. All my purchases were made once the cash shop opened.
Everything i bought i will always have (unless turbine closes down Lotro) without subbing ever again.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
He is correct.
If you paid for Mines of Moria and Siege of Mirkwood, you also have free access to all the content within those expansions. However, remember that Shadows of Angmar is NOT an expansion and the reason why you need to unlock quest-packs etc between level 20-50.
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I had all xpac before f2p and wasnt even playing but right before they went f2p i subbed for 3 months since its cheaper and when that ended I was premium member but i resubbed anyways the $29 per 3 months is nto a killer to me the $7 per day for my smokes is the real killer lol.
As the access you buy from the LotRO store isn't time-limited (as opposed to a normal subscription), you should compare the amount you'll pay for the access you need with the amount you had to pay for a life time subscription + Moria + Mirkwood.
Well i bought everything out of the shop all content (quest, skirmish packs & xpacs), i have 7 char slots, removed gold, AH & bag restrictions.
Spent 120 bucks and have enough coins left over (over 2k so far) to buy an expansion or quest zones when they release.
How much was Lifetime and the two xpacs before f2p?
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
certain f2p models are used as a marketing tool, i.e. so they can say it's free.
as you've said most free players won't stay around long once they find out how much things actually cost.
However, last free week they gave me i only counted 3 other players throughout that week, so at least this free model should make it look more active if nothing else.
3 other players in game? what server are you on I cant walk through Lonelands, ND or bree without lagging like its 2004 in ironforge all over again.
The game is so packed even up to level 50 that im sure Turbine will be forced to open even more servers.
Also im on Firefoot, this is considered a medium to low pop server and half of the game is packed like it is on newyears here in the big apple.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I think lifetime while is was an option over here was about £150 (can't be certain but i know it was over £100) Mines of Moria i paid £7.99 for and i don't know price of the other cause i never bothered with it (left game) but i'd say it was probably anywhere between £10 and £20. adding that up it's around £167.99 - £177.99 ish. (roughly $400 i think) so although it has cost you much less to get everything in my eyes the sour note for people is that the Lone Lands and North Downs etc etc etc that people used to play are now locked to them unless they pay more for what they originally paid for (they were part of tha base game originally and those who bought the box or downloaded before FTP should still be able to go to those areas, as i see things as the sub is for added content, updates/fixes and things like that) i have no issues with the totally free to play new players who have never played the game before being limited to what they get now, i just think that those of us who once had access to somewhere should still be able to get to those areas without spending anything else. the other gripe i have about the game is aimed at the content for free and premium players, only allowed starter zones (unless purchase other areas), how on earth can a free player or a premium player get to level 50 in 3 areas that don't have content for those levels.
hmm thats strange if you bought the original client you would assume you would get all 1-50 content even if you dropped your sub. i mean you did pay for the content just like i paid for the content once it went free 2 play.
I can understand the gripe, I really can.
I guess its just better to keep a sub rolling if you were a player before, while a new guy like me that just started would be better off doing what i did.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
exactly m8, to me it's not about the "bonus over other players", it's purely about the basic content that we purchased in the first place.
This has been argued back and forth endlessly, but i guess in the end it just wasn't doable from a economics standpoint for them. I don't have access to the numbers, but the original game + expansions probably sold over a million times, granting that amount of players full access to all content would be insane. Not to mention that the client can be ordered from amazon for like 5€, which would be a bit of a bargain considering it would be essentially an oldstyle LTA.
I don't see how they could have done it much differently, besides the box price was not for the content, the sub was for the content. Or did they charge you extra for forochel or eregion or all the books they added? No they didn't because it was covered by the sub. Expansions are imho different because they contain content not included in the sub, you are directly charged for the content in them.
Well, the game you bought was a subscription-based game. You didn't buy access to the game, the subscription fee did that. You basically bought the right to start paying your subscription fee, which in turn allowed access to those areas. When you stopped paying your subscription, you couldn't access those areas (or anything else in the game).
The Moria and Mirkwood (virtual) boxes are different. It was still possible to play LotRO without those (while paying your subscription fee, of course), but those two boxes added actual content that couldn't be accessed without them.
600 points? they need to sort out the prices on the EU server, the cost is only 250 on the NA servers.
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To my understanding only previous subscribers will get free travel, premium and freeb still need to buy it from the store.
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So only Ex-VIPs? Or previous subs before F2p? If its Ex-Vip im good cause i currently have a sub.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP