I mean, if you like the old hat, you[object Window]ll like this hat... But if you didn[object Window]t like the old hat. Well.. running out and buying it would be pretty silly.
So what you[object Window]re saying is that 40-man raids are returning since this is vanilla WoW in a Cataclysm skin?
Two years of wating for a 5 level increase and a brand new level 1-60 experience, I mean why give a brand new experience to players 80+ instead of a paltry 5 zones and rehased bosses? oh wait I can be a worgen or goblin man that was worth 2 years, oops I can fly now in Azeroth woot!!!!
Sorry they should have redone Azeroth to give you a chance to level to 70 admit it BC sucks and no one realy likes leveling there
You don't like BC, don't mean everybody else hates it.
Two years of wating for a 5 level increase and a brand new level 1-60 experience, I mean why give a brand new experience to players 80+ instead of a paltry 5 zones and rehased bosses? oh wait I can be a worgen or goblin man that was worth 2 years, oops I can fly now in Azeroth woot!!!!
Sorry they should have redone Azeroth to give you a chance to level to 70 admit it BC sucks and no one realy likes leveling there
You don't like BC, don't mean everybody else hates it.
Point being they could have taken the time and enhanced 60-70 which from what most of the expansion seems to be and enhanced leveling experience i.e. 1-60 why not go the extra effort and go 1-70, I might daresay you are being the minority now that there is no point at all in going to Shatt other then who knows actually you can just do LFD 60-70 which I believe most do anyhow. Still a let down for me as I have posted earlier not much for 80+
I think a lots riding on Cata . I've recently gone back to the game and more than once I've heard a varition on "Cata better not suck" to quote a guy in my guild today . The general concencus amongst those still playing WoW is the pve is "retarded" (to quote many players) meaning that its so easy now to the point its boring them .
Most player believe that the mobs will be significantly more powerful with the new xpac offering more challenge .Lots of people seam to be unhappy to the point of leaving with the way the classes have been changed . Theres a real longing for world pvp to return but I can't see how thats going to happen with the cross server looking for a group system . ( maybe by limiting its use to twice a day ) .
I don't have any high level toons anymore so I will be quite happy to level an alt from one of the old races and see what Blizzards done from 1-60 before deciding whether to buy Cata and stay . I think Blizzard will get one more last chance by many gamers to put right the things they ve got appallingly wrong in the last two years and reverse the trend towards ever easier gameplay.
I hope its going to be good and at offers even a partial return to the quality of the game WoW was in its first 3 and half years or so but the realist in me thinks Blizzard won't wake up untill them subs start to full and it appears that has'nt happened as yet .
An end or a begining ? Possibly the beginning of the end or the end of the begining .
I can't see Blizz ever going back to the past, epics are a joke and god forbid if someone who plays 5 hours a week can't get one, I mean he deserves it as much as you who raids 2-3 days a week 4-5 hours a night c'mon!!
Personally, I'm excited to see the new changes and can't wait for the servers to come back up... although that's about 5 more hours **sigh**. I'm hoping the 1-60 instances are already "upped" a little, because ESPECIALLY since the new talent changes, they are extremely too easy.
ROFL poor Chromie.... that Bronze Dragon/Gnome has been confused since vanilla WoW... the good old days when Epic meant something(other than heres a noob with a pointy stick,lets give him a purple drop) and as far as my opinion goes BC was GREAT!!!! the storylines were excellent,the armor/weapons were HOT!!!(if you were a Nelf/Belf chicky),the game play required * re-emphasize REQUIRED team work and a good knowledge of your class... gold spammers/hackers werent allowed to spam trade chat and game Mods were actually responsive and genuinely cared if you enjoyed the game!!! lich king killed all that... and i think that a 3rd expansion (4 purchased games + monthly fees) is just blizz's final attempt at getting in as many pockets as possible.... they had a good run... they should give up the ghost and start something new... change is good Blizz (even Mr. T would agree)
They changed the world....litterally and figuratively. Belive it or not my wife never heard of an MMO and was surprised you could do all that you can do in an MMO. WOW was her favorite due to simplicity and hunters.
Anyway, any new players, if there are any, will never see the game we saw. So, this leads me to one question....why?
I believe they are doing it to bring the early game play in line with the higher level game play. Also, to enhance the game they needed to rebuild it so might as well start from scratch and do both.
Like you all mentioned though, they changed the landscape of the game but not its mechanics....that is what SOE did with SWG and ruined it for ever.
Man, some of you guys need to take a chill pill. These changes are fantastic and bring the 1-60 levels and quest on par with wrath quests and BC quests. WoW quests are the best in the industry, they offer so much variety, they try to put a spin on the most simple collection quests such as place firecrackers on ground to scare bats and its nice to see someone actually make an attempt in the MMO genre. There is plenty of new stuff in cata like people have said, new bgs and bg system, new raid and raid system, the new talents, the new areas, the new races, the new proffesion, new mounts, new instances and new raid system, new textures lighting and water effects for old and new world, the whole world friggin changed for free, new stories and if you seen opening to twilight highlands and uldum new ways of telling it ect. WoW is fun and I'm sorry but a ton more people find it more fun then a lot of stuff out there. Oh and if you bring up its fun cause its easy, link a screen with your light of the dawn with no buff on, tribute to insanity and immortality, yog0 please.
As mentioned before, you still need vanilla WoW plus all the expansions just to get to max level. How many new people will actually be buying all that content just for a so called "new WoW experience" ? I don't know if new players will find that feasible at a time like this, especially when they know new mmos are coming soon. Existing players will buy Cataclysm but not so sure about new mmo players or existing mmo players that never played WoW before.
As mentioned before, you still need vanilla WoW plus all the expansions just to get to max level. How many new people will actually be buying all that content just for a so called "new WoW experience" ? I don't know if new players will find that feasible at a time like this, especially when they know new mmos are coming soon. Existing players will buy Cataclysm but not so sure about new mmo players or existing mmo players that never played WoW before.
Some one who gets my point, all this work for a 1-60 leveling experience like wtf, make the 80+ better, harder and longevity to boot
Cata seems odd to me for some reason..I mean 1-60 has changed..but what about 61-80? Still gotta go through WotLK content right? But knowing that that area has been officially 'conquered' takes away some of the want to be there. I might as well hang out in West Freeport on Everquest 1 and see how many people run by lol.
Yup it is the same as when WOTLK first came out. Shattrath (the main city from BC) use to be like New York before WOTLK and turned into a ghost town after WOTLK. This is how it is going to be from 61-78 (probably be able to experience new content at 78 or 79 instead of waiting till 80) since these leveling zones are now outdated and will not have very many active players at one time.
Cata seems odd to me for some reason..I mean 1-60 has changed..but what about 61-80? Still gotta go through WotLK content right? But knowing that that area has been officially 'conquered' takes away some of the want to be there. I might as well hang out in West Freeport on Everquest 1 and see how many people run by lol.
Not sure that's totally true. DDO did a live player event (2? 3? years ago) that ended with the Marketplace (part of a zone) being destroyed which did change NPC locations etc.... and gave the game area a new look until they finally 'rebuilt' it this year.
Not up on all the WoW zones but was under the impression they only blasted part of them. I'll give you it is a big change. Good for them at finding an interesting way to revamp zones and keep it interesting.
I have played WoW for about 5yrs now. A few months of off, but most of the time full force. Though the world being remade has intrigued me, I have recently decided to cancel my account. For the most part they are adding a new shine to an aging game. There is not much that draws me back to re-play old content. Sure I would love to check out the geographical changes, but that would be maybe 1 month sub. 2 at the most. The one big reason I ever stayed with WoW is because it was and is one of the best games in stability and performance. That may all change with a few new ones coming out. Time to cut the cord and explore for this old time gamer.
You people who sit here and complain and whine, are quite frankly pathetic. You get a SLEW of new zones, new races, a good amount of starting dungeons ontop of a new world to explore and take part in. Not to mention blizzard stated clearly that this expansion isn 't about the levels, its just a little boost to put in a few new abilities and make them a little strong. G oing from gear with +200 stats, to INSTANT epics of 400/500+ Would be stupid. 40$ Digital purchase for all that, Well worth it IMO. QQ less, you'll all keep playing it like little crack addicts.
As mentioned before, you still need vanilla WoW plus all the expansions just to get to max level. How many new people will actually be buying all that content just for a so called "new WoW experience" ? I don't know if new players will find that feasible at a time like this, especially when they know new mmos are coming soon. Existing players will buy Cataclysm but not so sure about new mmo players or existing mmo players that never played WoW before.
Some one who gets my point, all this work for a 1-60 leveling experience like wtf, make the 80+ better, harder and longevity to boot
I think Blizzard is pretty smart in refining the 1-60 levels for two reasons...
1) They know there is a pretty good chance this game could still be a cash cow for them for at least another decade (yeah seriously) and a lot of those players are just like me, casual gamers who take months or years to hit lvl 85 (so sue me for having a life). If they make the leveling process more fun and varied, it will keep any new and casual players coming back month after month and keep thier coffers full.
2) With the addition of thousands of new quests you won't be able to complete them all in one time through and there are two types of gamers (well, ok, probably more but for my example it's 2), those who only enjoy content once and those who can enjoy it repetedly. The game already has a lot for those who can enjoy the repedetive stuff like Professions, Raids and BG's. But now for those that just want to do the next new quest, they can start a second or third character and still never run out of new quests to work on as they level.
Well, my two points are probably just variations of a single point but... well.. you get the point
I'm guessing they will soon release a compilation pack for the shelves which include original and first two expansions to try and narrow down the 'WTF I bought Cataclysm and cant play it' crowd.
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So what you[object Window]re saying is that 40-man raids are returning since this is vanilla WoW in a Cataclysm skin?
Eleanor Rigby.
What was that? A Caverns of Time 40 man heroic raid where Hogger took over Stormwind? Yeah, baby!
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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You don't like BC, don't mean everybody else hates it.
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Point being they could have taken the time and enhanced 60-70 which from what most of the expansion seems to be and enhanced leveling experience i.e. 1-60 why not go the extra effort and go 1-70, I might daresay you are being the minority now that there is no point at all in going to Shatt other then who knows actually you can just do LFD 60-70 which I believe most do anyhow. Still a let down for me as I have posted earlier not much for 80+
I think a lots riding on Cata . I've recently gone back to the game and more than once I've heard a varition on "Cata better not suck" to quote a guy in my guild today . The general concencus amongst those still playing WoW is the pve is "retarded" (to quote many players) meaning that its so easy now to the point its boring them .
Most player believe that the mobs will be significantly more powerful with the new xpac offering more challenge .Lots of people seam to be unhappy to the point of leaving with the way the classes have been changed . Theres a real longing for world pvp to return but I can't see how thats going to happen with the cross server looking for a group system . ( maybe by limiting its use to twice a day ) .
I don't have any high level toons anymore so I will be quite happy to level an alt from one of the old races and see what Blizzards done from 1-60 before deciding whether to buy Cata and stay . I think Blizzard will get one more last chance by many gamers to put right the things they ve got appallingly wrong in the last two years and reverse the trend towards ever easier gameplay.
I hope its going to be good and at offers even a partial return to the quality of the game WoW was in its first 3 and half years or so but the realist in me thinks Blizzard won't wake up untill them subs start to full and it appears that has'nt happened as yet .
An end or a begining ? Possibly the beginning of the end or the end of the begining .
It could go either way .
hmm
I can't see Blizz ever going back to the past, epics are a joke and god forbid if someone who plays 5 hours a week can't get one, I mean he deserves it as much as you who raids 2-3 days a week 4-5 hours a night c'mon!!
Personally, I'm excited to see the new changes and can't wait for the servers to come back up... although that's about 5 more hours **sigh**. I'm hoping the 1-60 instances are already "upped" a little, because ESPECIALLY since the new talent changes, they are extremely too easy.
ROFL poor Chromie.... that Bronze Dragon/Gnome has been confused since vanilla WoW... the good old days when Epic meant something(other than heres a noob with a pointy stick,lets give him a purple drop) and as far as my opinion goes BC was GREAT!!!! the storylines were excellent,the armor/weapons were HOT!!!(if you were a Nelf/Belf chicky),the game play required * re-emphasize REQUIRED team work and a good knowledge of your class... gold spammers/hackers werent allowed to spam trade chat and game Mods were actually responsive and genuinely cared if you enjoyed the game!!! lich king killed all that... and i think that a 3rd expansion (4 purchased games + monthly fees) is just blizz's final attempt at getting in as many pockets as possible.... they had a good run... they should give up the ghost and start something new... change is good Blizz (even Mr. T would agree)
Hasta la TACO ... See ya Burrito
They changed the world....litterally and figuratively. Belive it or not my wife never heard of an MMO and was surprised you could do all that you can do in an MMO. WOW was her favorite due to simplicity and hunters.
Anyway, any new players, if there are any, will never see the game we saw. So, this leads me to one question....why?
I believe they are doing it to bring the early game play in line with the higher level game play. Also, to enhance the game they needed to rebuild it so might as well start from scratch and do both.
Like you all mentioned though, they changed the landscape of the game but not its mechanics....that is what SOE did with SWG and ruined it for ever.
Man, some of you guys need to take a chill pill. These changes are fantastic and bring the 1-60 levels and quest on par with wrath quests and BC quests. WoW quests are the best in the industry, they offer so much variety, they try to put a spin on the most simple collection quests such as place firecrackers on ground to scare bats and its nice to see someone actually make an attempt in the MMO genre. There is plenty of new stuff in cata like people have said, new bgs and bg system, new raid and raid system, the new talents, the new areas, the new races, the new proffesion, new mounts, new instances and new raid system, new textures lighting and water effects for old and new world, the whole world friggin changed for free, new stories and if you seen opening to twilight highlands and uldum new ways of telling it ect. WoW is fun and I'm sorry but a ton more people find it more fun then a lot of stuff out there. Oh and if you bring up its fun cause its easy, link a screen with your light of the dawn with no buff on, tribute to insanity and immortality, yog0 please.
As mentioned before, you still need vanilla WoW plus all the expansions just to get to max level. How many new people will actually be buying all that content just for a so called "new WoW experience" ? I don't know if new players will find that feasible at a time like this, especially when they know new mmos are coming soon. Existing players will buy Cataclysm but not so sure about new mmo players or existing mmo players that never played WoW before.
Some one who gets my point, all this work for a 1-60 leveling experience like wtf, make the 80+ better, harder and longevity to boot
WoW looks fine on max settings (with a few custom cvar tweaks to push it past in-game max).
The people who bitch about WoW's graphics are the same people who think a 6800GT is still an acceptable gaming card.
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Yup it is the same as when WOTLK first came out. Shattrath (the main city from BC) use to be like New York before WOTLK and turned into a ghost town after WOTLK. This is how it is going to be from 61-78 (probably be able to experience new content at 78 or 79 instead of waiting till 80) since these leveling zones are now outdated and will not have very many active players at one time.
People will fanboi or be haters on wow no matter what everyone says.
You should all just resume it in a few words per post and dont give a fly fook about what others say.
Im happy with the changes coming. Looking for class/combo and new leveling experience after 6 years.
Cheers to any wow players. Hope we can play tonight.
West Freeport FTW!
Not sure that's totally true. DDO did a live player event (2? 3? years ago) that ended with the Marketplace (part of a zone) being destroyed which did change NPC locations etc.... and gave the game area a new look until they finally 'rebuilt' it this year.
Not up on all the WoW zones but was under the impression they only blasted part of them. I'll give you it is a big change. Good for them at finding an interesting way to revamp zones and keep it interesting.
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I have played WoW for about 5yrs now. A few months of off, but most of the time full force. Though the world being remade has intrigued me, I have recently decided to cancel my account. For the most part they are adding a new shine to an aging game. There is not much that draws me back to re-play old content. Sure I would love to check out the geographical changes, but that would be maybe 1 month sub. 2 at the most. The one big reason I ever stayed with WoW is because it was and is one of the best games in stability and performance. That may all change with a few new ones coming out. Time to cut the cord and explore for this old time gamer.
You people who sit here and complain and whine, are quite frankly pathetic. You get a SLEW of new zones, new races, a good amount of starting dungeons ontop of a new world to explore and take part in. Not to mention blizzard stated clearly that this expansion isn 't about the levels, its just a little boost to put in a few new abilities and make them a little strong. G oing from gear with +200 stats, to INSTANT epics of 400/500+ Would be stupid. 40$ Digital purchase for all that, Well worth it IMO. QQ less, you'll all keep playing it like little crack addicts.
Nuff said.
I think Blizzard is pretty smart in refining the 1-60 levels for two reasons...
1) They know there is a pretty good chance this game could still be a cash cow for them for at least another decade (yeah seriously) and a lot of those players are just like me, casual gamers who take months or years to hit lvl 85 (so sue me for having a life). If they make the leveling process more fun and varied, it will keep any new and casual players coming back month after month and keep thier coffers full.
2) With the addition of thousands of new quests you won't be able to complete them all in one time through and there are two types of gamers (well, ok, probably more but for my example it's 2), those who only enjoy content once and those who can enjoy it repetedly. The game already has a lot for those who can enjoy the repedetive stuff like Professions, Raids and BG's. But now for those that just want to do the next new quest, they can start a second or third character and still never run out of new quests to work on as they level.
Well, my two points are probably just variations of a single point but... well.. you get the point
I'm guessing they will soon release a compilation pack for the shelves which include original and first two expansions to try and narrow down the 'WTF I bought Cataclysm and cant play it' crowd.
Looking at the WoW website you can buy vanilla and bc for $5 each and WotLk for $10.
ye, but you can get all the other for $20 as of now