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Changes in zones? Not even close!
erikk3189
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According to Blizzard's constant campaign of telling everyone how massive the changes in the game were going to be you would of expected a lot more from the changes in the zones from the latest patch.
So yesterday, the day of these "massive" changes I logged in hoping to see what they did. They barely did anything to most of the zones. WTF? All this talk for this?
Stormwind got a wall or two taken away and not even in the front or middle of the zone but in back. AH was moved a few feet, WOW! That was a major move! But other then this, nothing.
Ironforge: Looks exactly the same in the fort.
Undead Ciry: Nothing new here.
Stonard: Forget it! Nothing in Swamps either
The only major changes are in Ogrimmar. There they changed the place and it looks different. The rest of the zones, I didn't bother wasting time checking out.
First, they simplified the game so much, it now tells you what spells to use and when to use them. Talents points: They're also telling you where to spend them as you can't choose other talents until most of your points are gone. The rest of the game has many of it's players upset except the usual few who accept everything no matter how bad it is.
Many players in trade chat were making fun of blizzard regarding these so called "changes." What a joke and it's not even a good joke at that.
I had heard they sold the company to Activision or someone. So I'm thinking the new owners if this is true have now changed the game around drastically.
Game doesn't feel the same anymore. New content could of been added without trying to make the game so easy pre-schoolers can now apply to play it.
Can't wait for The Old Republic.
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The 'tooltips' are set to newbie, you can change them to the normal ones in about 3 seconds.
Some zones changed a lot more than others.
Check out:
(Kal) Ashenvale, Azharea, Darkshore, North and South barrens, Desolace, 100k. Tanaris - Those zones are all barely recognizable
EK - Hillsbred, West Plaque, East Plaque, Wetlands, Redrige, Westfall, BADLANDS, Blasted Lands, North STV, Cape of STV
Those zones have all completely been changed, i'm sure i'm missing some.
Other zones had more minor changes. Durator now has a swamp on the western side, and the thunderlizard area was flooded completely.
But it's not just about the maps. Some zones have had their entire quest structure updated. For instance, SIlverpine Forest looks very similar, but the questing is amazing and completely different now and is all about the Worgens/Gillneas
1. Derp.
2. At least you[object Window]re waiting for the right game.
Activision bought Blizzard, along with Bungie, 7 Studios, Treyarch, RedOctane etc. etc.
Activision and EA own pretty much everything now.
I'll be the first to admit that I did expect 'more' to have changed.
The changes that were done to the world are, in my opinion, for the better.
You have to realize, the full expansion isn't upon us. There are still things we dont' have access to. Yes, I know there is a list of what did and what didn't come with 4.0.3a, but there is more to come.
The removal of portals from Shat and Dal seems to be a very backwards step, but the others I like. It was time for a change, especially to the initial zones that players have to go through when creating/starting new characters.
Blizz tries to do a few things with their changes: make the game more fun while delivering Warcraft lore (primary), then retain current players, bring back old players, and bring in new players.
90% of the people that work on the game, play the game. They play other games, too. They know what works, what doesn't. WoW changes, as a result.
If you don't like the changes... wait, more are yet to come.
Wowhead has a nice summary of what has changed. Some zones are unrecognizable (1000 needles for example). Other changes are more subtle (Un'goro), overall it's a great revamp, almost all quests changed and at least tweaked. If that's not enough for you then I guess there is no way to make you a happy customer.
1.Derp
2.And when that su[object Window]pposed right game comes out there will be whiners too and I am sure it will have its share of problems.
I smell a troll.
There are tons of changes you are smoking something.
The OP is afraid his preferred upcoming game is going under when Cata strikes. Sorry for that.
Saying that Stormwind didn't change is saying that the Twin towers still exist. Apparently he didn't even took the effort to ride through the City.
I can already see him using the trade chat with" LOL is that all they changed" comments and then quickly punch a post on mmorpg.com (in line with all his previous posts).
If you just log into a game for 15 minutes to trash talk it: you are not welcome (I mean in game).
Just a comment on your signature.....the Black Watch no longer exists. It is now just one Scottish Regiment........for the shame!
I am an American retired soldier but I do love me some military history!
Sorry, but Stormwind was fully redone. Every texture and model was updated. It's still supposed to look fairly the same because, well, it's still the same damn city.
I'll give you Thousand Needles, because it's underwater,Azhara because that zone was dumped and turned into a new starting zone, and Barrens because of the scar and all the new camps and buildings as being "barely recognizable." The rest just fall from moderate changes to barely any. I mean, Wetlands? Really? That just has Menethil sunk and new Nelf Camp and the rest just has a few NPCs shuffled around. That zone and Arathi, which are next to each other, have barely change.And i think the problem is that Blizz just has been showing us the zone that they did work a lot on and that gave the idea of the whole world was going to be like that when in fact it wasn't. So now people are roaming around looking to see different stuff and in a lot of occasion they are not seeing. Key word here SEEING IT. Silverpine having a new quest structure is cool and all but in the end they are doing similar stuff to before in a zone that is basically the same.
I just think Blizz needed to toned down in their "WORLD REFORGED!!" stuff because that just gave some folks some bad impressions.
MMEEEEEHHHHH!!!
I would say that most areas have been radically changed. Yes, not all had their geography devastated or changed a lot, but even the ones that did not, had radical changes to the STORIES contained inside.
The quest flow is totally different, you do many more things than before and even the Mobs tend to have more varied attacks than before, in shorts, the game is more engaging and entertaining than it was in the 1-60 levels range.
Swamps of Sorrows HAVE been changed, not gepgraphically, but quest wise, hell yes!
As for the fact it tells you what spell to use and when, those are the beginner tooltips you have on. You can turn them off and get back the old style of tooltips in which it tells you the hard data without strategy tips.
Second, the classes plays much more engaging now. I've not tried them all, of course, but the Soul shards for Warlocks for example, where you can burn one to activate several secondary effects on spells is on example, the holy power for paladins, the chakra system for priests and so on.
The classes I tried so far requires more attention and have more CHOICES on what to do ay any given time.
- The servers are back to be crowded. Argent Dawn, EU, now has 15-20 minutes queue in WEEKDAYS. I cannot imagine what it will be in week ends and when worgens and goblins arrive, people were all waiting for this, seemingly and it shows (there are millions new troll druids ><)
- Blizzard had been part of Vivendi for a very long time. They merged with Activision some years ago, so I do not see these drastic changes you speak about... oh btw, did you know that Bioware, the makers of Old Republic you seem to be waiting on, are part of ELECTRONIC ARTS??
Not to speak bad of Bioware, they, like Blizzard, managed to survive the transition and still create excellent products.
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Yup, definitely a troll. He played for 10 minutes to check out the capitals and then came here to bother us with his meaningless existence.
It seems a Troll has escaped from its cage.
@OP - Sorry you feel that way. I found Stormwind had changed alot. Moving of the AH, alot of changes to the park, the old town, new textures, the city and land mass is 1/3rd larger then what it was. Huge statue and area near the king of stormwind. There is alot of interesting changes in stormwind. Also your saying the new zones suck, but then say you didn't bother looking at the changes? Well anyways I'm having alot of fun leveling up new toons in the 80% new old world content. Until you've quested in WPL and EPL, don't say nothing has changed. Every quest is new, unique, some quests are funny (Plants VS Zombies in Hillsbrad, Deathwing stories in Badlands), some are puzzles (badlands golem puzzle quests), I've only been threw EPL, WPL and Badlands, and only those 3 experiences were completely new, unique and enjoyable. I've played the game on and off for 3.5 years now and I'm enjoying leveling again because it is all new and fresh content in the ravaged new revamped zones.
There has been lots of major changes, go level any class race 1-60 and you will not have the same experience as the old content. Saying blizzard were lying and nothing is new is just stupid on your part. Seeing your last comment about Old republic shows you hated WoW before the changes anyway.
This is the sceanario I picture the OP
Man Durotar looks the same, except there is a troll village, lets check out Barrens.
Runs to Barrens from Durotar
*closes eyes*
"I can't see ANYTHING different in Durotar. So lame."
*runs into Barrens*
"Looks the same...oh whats that crack and greenery? Oh no! Barrens is..."
*closes eyes*
"Thats better. Wait, I can't see ANYTHING different."
"well, lets see if Stormwind changed"
*closes eyes as he explores Stormwind*
"Looks the same. Wow Blizzard didn't change WoW at all. Let me go to MMORPG.com and complain"
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Slight correction here, Activision actually merged with Vivendi with Vivendi owning 52% of the company after the deal closed and formed a holding company called Activision Blizzard but with both still operating and publishing as seperate entities.
Anyway, back on topic. If you were expecting a completely different game entirely then you are bound to be disappointed as that was never going to happen. But in saying that, if you have played the game for any amount of years it is very different now in many aspects.
I have finally started my Human Hunter, the character i have always wanted since release and i am loving the whole feel and amazing flow of the game now. Westfall has been the biggest revelation so far, the quest flow in that area is fantastic. Doing it as old school as is possible, no legacy gear, surviving off drops and rewards and loving it
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
On topic, people see what they want to see.
I know, for real, I logged in last night and was there in the inn next to the bank in Stormwind. I was all like "WTF! That chair has been there for the last 6 damn years! It don't look any different to me. I am not paying to see the same ol' crap all over again."
Well thats all I needed to see. I logged out and I am NEVER going back!
All die, so die well.
The changes are impressive in the sense that they are so sweeping.
Some of my favorite zones are no longer there. Oh, and all the levels have changed for a bunch of zones.
This is too much for me. I know a bunch of WoW fans will enjoy the changes, but it seems to me like this is going too far towards the Lich King style of questing, which had good storytelling but not much in the way of replay-ability, since so much of it was "go here and watch this."
I used to love Hillsbrad Foothills as a Horde player because it was go to Tarren Mill and get a bunch of quests and then go out and quest for a while, killing stuff as you went because it was in your way, then kill your way back to the mill to turn in a bunch of completed quests to get half way through a level, maybe. If the quest turn in NPCs were alive. With South Shore now in ruins, that seems likely. Get the follow ups and go out and do it again.
I ran around Hillsbrad on an 80 today and wasn't sure there was anything to do. Durnholde Keep is occupied by five elites. Dun Garok was a ghost town. Most of the spiders and bears were gone and the farms? The farms were gone and replaced by a sludge pit?
And the flight paths. My god. There is a flight path every five feet now.
I'm not a fan of these changes.
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each zone is unlocked through a quest chain similar to how icecrown was unlocked. if youre running around new zones and not seeing much activity its because youre not doing any quests there.
LOL really?
Have you been to the Barrens? Thousand needles? Tanaris? If you are blind, you may think that they are the same.
Even Felwood is very different now with more FP and totally different quests.
Maybe you should have stepped outside of Stonard. If you had you would have noticed there was an alliance fort in the middle of the zone and a good portion of that middle area has become a warzone. Also there is a neutral goblin town on the coast, and the pool of tears or whatever it's called opens into the sea now. You're exploration leaves much to be desired.
My problem isn't that there were few changes...I've seen plenty. What I don't like is that there are camps or towns all over the place and all of them have flight paths. There's no feeling of wilderness anymore. I don't like that.
I only managed to visit Swamp of Sorrows and The Blasted Lands, the changes were huge! Not only to the whole areas but the quests and events that take place in those areas are all new and very very nice. The quests are much better, there are now 3 or more flight masters in each zone + 3-4 quest hubs in each, I simply loved the new weird Forest area in Blasted lands.
There are also several "dynamic" quest chains, for example one took me into the Sunken Temple (non instance part) which again has completely changed, and lead me through taking down some different Trolls. Plus when I did enter the Sunken Temple instance that's been simplified a great deal but made harder (the bosses felt much harder). More fun actually.
I started levelling a warlock a month ago and got a bit bored with the old zones, but found myself enjoying both revamped zones very much, it felt like it was new areas. Part of the fun was realizing that it had changed, what was new, how it had changed etc.
I really don't think you can get a better expansion to such an old game as Warcraft. And it's not even released yet.
BUT
It felt easier somehow, they must have speeded up leveling again because I went from lvl 53 to 57 in a few hours and still have quests left to do in Blasted Lands (there are now a lot more quests everywhere). Plus it felt easier to take down mobs with my lock, a lot easier than it was last week. But I did gear up a lot and respecced a bit.
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