Anytime you have a game such as WoW that is gear driven to mean virtually everything.. It's part of that 500 pound carrot players are chasing.. Having hoops (aka raid tiers) to grind through to get to the next hoops is what it's all about.. Each expansion is a reset of the "end game".. Without it, you would have players stalled at earlier raid levels unable to find enough people to go back and raid lower raids.. Therefore, the entry quest levels of the expansion have to almost as good as previous epics.. It's one reason why you have many (not most) players claiming that some of the expasnion is too hard.. Those players might be entering the expansion zones with ilevel 200 and 219 gear, because they did not do any of the LK raids or LK 5 man heroics.. I suspect that some nerfing will be order when the new "alts" get to 80 and want to continue into 81 without farming LK dungeons and raids..
I think it is more for anyone leveling up a new character or starting to play. You can't expect new players to stop and raid one 3 times to be able to continue playing.
Of course you are partly right as well, trying to get players for lvl 60 40 man raids when everyone is 85 would be more than a bother.
Is is just me or do others feel that Blizzard "RUINED" each expansion that came before with a new one ?
I mean, you work very hard raiding, doing areana and BG's for that epic gear, only to have a new ex-pac come
out and wash all that hard work down the drain on your very first quest that gives you a green item as a reward.
Why do they have to have all the gear levels just blow the last games gear away .. I know i will have to replace that
hard earned gear eventually but after the first quest? Shouldn't that hard earned epics at least be worth Blue or
green gear at level 85? Why the HUGE leap for HP and gear levels after the first quest ?
Im so tired of feeling like they dont care about what they put out before and that all my hard work goes for nothing
as soon as they come out with another expansion. I can't think of any other game that does this. I wish Earth Rise
was launching when they said it would in Q4 =(
Its just more of the same old thing ... but different....
Cataclysm is like a party clown making balloon animals to entertain children, instead of a pony this time Blizzard made a giraffe. Nothing really new, just the same game world twisted around a bit into a new shape. Which seems to be all the current player base really wanted.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Is is just me or do others feel that Blizzard "RUINED" each expansion that came before with a new one ?
I mean, you work very hard raiding, doing areana and BG's for that epic gear, only to have a new ex-pac come
out and wash all that hard work down the drain on your very first quest that gives you a green item as a reward.
Why do they have to have all the gear levels just blow the last games gear away .. I know i will have to replace that
hard earned gear eventually but after the first quest? Shouldn't that hard earned epics at least be worth Blue or
green gear at level 85? Why the HUGE leap for HP and gear levels after the first quest ?
Im so tired of feeling like they dont care about what they put out before and that all my hard work goes for nothing
as soon as they come out with another expansion. I can't think of any other game that does this. I wish Earth Rise
was launching when they said it would in Q4 =(
Its just more of the same old thing ... but different....
Cataclysm is like a party clown making balloon animals to entertain children, instead of a pony this time Blizzard made a giraffe. Nothing really new, just the same game world twisted around a bit into a new shape. Which seems to be all the current player base really wanted.
Is is just me or do others feel that Blizzard "RUINED" each expansion that came before with a new one ?
I mean, you work very hard raiding, doing areana and BG's for that epic gear, only to have a new ex-pac come
out and wash all that hard work down the drain on your very first quest that gives you a green item as a reward.
Why do they have to have all the gear levels just blow the last games gear away .. I know i will have to replace that
hard earned gear eventually but after the first quest? Shouldn't that hard earned epics at least be worth Blue or
green gear at level 85? Why the HUGE leap for HP and gear levels after the first quest ?
Im so tired of feeling like they dont care about what they put out before and that all my hard work goes for nothing
as soon as they come out with another expansion. I can't think of any other game that does this. I wish Earth Rise
was launching when they said it would in Q4 =(
Its just more of the same old thing ... but different....
Cataclysm is like a party clown making balloon animals to entertain children, instead of a pony this time Blizzard made a giraffe. Nothing really new, just the same game world twisted around a bit into a new shape. Which seems to be all the current player base really wanted.
Did you even read the op?
Yes I did, and instead of trying to answer the OPs myriad of questions of confusion I instead made the attempt to point out that all of them could be answered by explaining the simple fact that Blizzard just keeps resetting the player base back to square one with each expansion to keep them hooked. A tactic that seems to work like gang busters. S A V V Y?
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
I'm confused? You want to wear the same armor for 60 all the way to 85? Is that what you want? Oh you just don't want too replace it on greens? I did not replace my 277-281 gear until about 83? I think your playing it wrong. Yes, your purple do get replaced they do have experation dates and that is fine because YOU SHOULD PLAY THE GAME TOO PLAY THE GAME NOT TOO GET A PURPLE. My epics were just means to make it easier too kill the next boss not the reason I play. L2PLAY GAMES YOU FOOLS
I love WoW I play WoW but if your only reason too play is to farm purples.. Please get out of my game you are usless and no-1 wants you.
I'm confused? You want to wear the same armor for 60 all the way to 85? Is that what you want? Oh you just don't want too replace it on greens? I did not replace my 277-281 gear until about 83? I think your playing it wrong. Yes, your purple do get replaced they do have experation dates and that is fine because YOU SHOULD PLAY THE GAME TOO PLAY THE GAME NOT TOO GET A PURPLE. My epics were just means to make it easier too kill the next boss not the reason I play. L2PLAY GAMES YOU FOOLS
I love WoW I play WoW but if your only reason too play is to farm purples.. Please get out of my game you are usless and no-1 wants you.
What he said.... but I woulda probably been a little nicer..... But he speaks the truth >.>
YOU SHOULD PLAY THE GAME TOO PLAY THE GAME NOT TOO GET A PURPLE. My epics were just means to make it easier too kill the next boss not the reason I play.
Is is just me or do others feel that Blizzard "RUINED" each expansion that came before with a new one ?
I mean, you work very hard raiding, doing areana and BG's for that epic gear, only to have a new ex-pac come
out and wash all that hard work down the drain on your very first quest that gives you a green item as a reward.
Why do they have to have all the gear levels just blow the last games gear away .. I know i will have to replace that
hard earned gear eventually but after the first quest? Shouldn't that hard earned epics at least be worth Blue or
green gear at level 85? Why the HUGE leap for HP and gear levels after the first quest ?
Im so tired of feeling like they dont care about what they put out before and that all my hard work goes for nothing
as soon as they come out with another expansion. I can't think of any other game that does this. I wish Earth Rise
was launching when they said it would in Q4 =(
I don't understand would you rather the game be the same for 6+ years? there are 2 years in between every expansion (roughly) to say a new expansion makes that 2 years totally useless is kinda a ridiculous comment. I somewhat agree with you that it is a little disheartening that after 2 years your gear is pretty much worthless after expansion release. But hey i'd rather that than a game that doesn't change.
Pretty much any game that releases an expansion renders previous gear "useless". Whats the point of paying for an expansion if it doesn't?
What would be the point of an expansion if we get to keep our old gears ? And yes you'll have 2-3 years to grind the same dungeons all over again, so dont worry.
I don't understand would you rather the game be the same for 6+ years? there are 2 years in between every expansion (roughly) to say a new expansion makes that 2 years totally useless is kinda a ridiculous comment. I somewhat agree with you that it is a little disheartening that after 2 years your gear is pretty much worthless after expansion release. But hey i'd rather that than a game that doesn't change.
Pretty much any game that releases an expansion renders previous gear "useless". Whats the point of paying for an expansion if it doesn't?
You are right, Blizzard have no choice but to do like this. It is the disadvantages of a level and gear based system.
With no levels and less gear dependency you could make a different kind of expansions that offer a different experience without making the old stuff useless but Wows mechanics means that they more or less must raise the level every time and in a levelbased system gear from lower levels don't measure up no matter if it is raid gear or not.
Wows endgame is about getting gear. If you weren't force to get new after every expansion there would be very little keeping the players.
You are wrong generally about a game that doesn't change, with the right mechanics (that is character based instead of gear based) you can make expansions were people don't need new gear and still change the game, but in Wows case are you right.
There are games were old gear is as good as new gear and you still get good value for your money, like Guildwars. Sandbox games without levels like Eve and UO have the same advantages. There are other reasons than gear to buy expansions for games like that.
But Blizzard are doing the same thing as EQ here and they really have no choice unless they would do something luke an NGE and that would be an disaster.
I don't get the hard earned argument that a lot of people use as a complaint about new gear. How is farming points or badges by doing instances over and over hard earned? The days of rare or epic gear are long gone. Crafting in WoW is extremely simple so having crafted purples is available to even the most casual of players. A full set of T10 gear is easy to buy by anyone who wants to run a few randoms a day.
Blizzard makes it extremely easy for players to catch up and jump right into heroic dungeons and raids with minimal effort. The way they choose to do it is by making you upgrade to the current expansions gear...just like EVERY other MMO with gear/level based progression.
I was quite excited the other day when I finally got an upgrade. ICC has been out for a year now, isn't it time we got some upgrades?
No, all games are not like that, ive played lineage II , EQII and more that have had a lot of expansions come out and none of them ruin the game before by bloated stats on gear,
and its not even close to the last game, you go from 9k HP with the regular game, then go to 20+ with burning, then 50+ with northrend, now i see mages with over 95+ HP after just 5 more levels its over blown the way they have the new stats after every expac
So you played few fail games that went no where and have no future. Good to know.
sorry, what game was that again? as far as i remember content was facerollable 90% of the time in Wotlk and gear rained pretty much from the sky.
seriously though, if you let previous tier epics carry over to the next expansion you got a big problem.
Remember this time we only got 5 lvls not 10 like the last two times, of course gear is going to be overblown.
Atm 1 cataclysm lvl equals 2 wotlk lvls, its just a matter of perspective.
Add to that the very substantial changes to class and talent mechanics and you end up at this result.
Every time there is an expansion there were core mechanic changes for several classes you got to balance this out with gear.
Take the new mana-regen system where mages dont need spirit gear anymore, in wotlk as arcane i stacked spirit, i NEEDED to get rid of that gear because its f-ing useless in Cataclysm.
Pre-wotlk i stacked mp5, and spell-dmg, that was consolidated into spirit and spell-power, suddenly my gear was counted as healing gear, i needed to replace that too.
Furthermore Cataclysm is a re-boot, its basically a new game, some classes are completely changed mechanics wise (Pala, Lock, Boomkin, Hunter) with proc-based mechanics, a third resource, etc.
You NEED to wipe the gear-slate clean, never was this more true than with Cataclysm.
Todays WoW players seem to just want everything handed to them on a plate, and Blizzard gives it to them. Like the topic above says peopel could just lvl from 1- 80 prob pick up enough badges or justice points around lvl 75+ doing dungeons then nip to badge vendor get 3 pieces of T10 then jump stright into end game.
I was really looking forward to cata read alot of things saything they were making it alot difficult than WOTLK, so far I aint noticed that only took me 2 days to get to 85 doing qsts , crafting . Yet wasnt there ment to be 3 times more content than WOTLK, yeah ok Blizzard , WHATEVER.
A week after launch and guilds are already clearing raid content, now these prob are Hardcore guilds. but even so, Blizzard should of been hoping it should of least taken a month for even the best guilds out there.
Next thing Blizzard will do to ruin the game even more will introduce X - Realm Raids.
I can understand making the game / end game enjoyable for the casual player who might only get to play at weekends or a few hours a week/ night, I really do. But Ive been playing the game for 6 years, well 5 as a took a year away from the game, Ive invested alot of time and money into my char. worked hard for what ive achived in game and it was a struggle at times , crafting all my tank resist sets, so my guild could progress past 1 boss. endless hours , days , weeks farming mats so I could finally make that epic armor piece I wanted , and grinding the elite mobs in Hearthsglen for weeks just to get that bsmith recipe that drops of that only mob in the game, and the feeling I had when I finaly completed Treasure of the Timeless One 2 years after starting the qst line.
I really hope Blizzard bring back server events like the Opening of Ahn'Qiraj one they had, something like that again would be great and Give us adventures that like to put the time and effort in quests like the one i mentioned above where it took months to complete raids to get that 1 item that never dropped, working as a guild. isnt that what an MMO is all about.
This Might sound like trolling / ranting and I suppose it is in a way, but dont get me wrong I love WoW, its easy the best MMO out there, but its just getting easier and easier expansion after expansion, patch after patch
It's not fun having all your progress reset every two years. The game is all about getting gear... Not keeping it. Blizzard has made this clear with every expansion that resets progress and makes content obsolete. Why bother attaining anything if it ultimately becomes worthless? I'm sorry but the actual content that one needs to play through for this gear isn't good enough to stand on it's own. So getting to see the content or knowing you cleared it means nothing once the rewards from that experience mean nothing.
It's not fun having all your progress reset every two years. The game is all about getting gear... Not keeping it. Blizzard has made this clear with every expansion that resets progress and makes content obsolete. Why bother attaining anything if it ultimately becomes worthless? I'm sorry but the actual content that one needs to play through for this gear isn't good enough to stand on it's own. So getting to see the content or knowing you cleared it means nothing once the rewards from that experience mean nothing.
Playing along with this same logic, why ever bother getting level 2 when it will be made obsolete when you gain level 3? Why bother running dungeons if you are just going to raid once you have complete those? Why bother leveling a tradeskill when 95% of it you will outgrow? Why ever learn firebolt when you will get fireball in 3 more levels?
Games like this are built on the foundation of players constantly updating their characters and experiences. Some will selectively see this and trivializing past efforts and other will see it as just more of what they have been doing for 80 levels already.
I don't work to get gear though. I play the parts that I enjoy and whatever gear falls into my lap is a side effect.
I agree with Daff. I do not play WOW for gear, gear is gotten when gear is gotten. I could care less honestly. I play WOW because I enjoy the game and like the story and the little things here and there.
There is so much more to WOW than gear and I would suggest o anyone that you play the game for those reasons and not gear or you will feel like its a treadmill.
mm ok tell me what you do when you have read and done the quest, you have reach max lvl and done crafting? You grind for gears in instance or grind rep for gears and what else?
I don't work to get gear though. I play the parts that I enjoy and whatever gear falls into my lap is a side effect.
I agree with Daff. I do not play WOW for gear, gear is gotten when gear is gotten. I could care less honestly. I play WOW because I enjoy the game and like the story and the little things here and there.
There is so much more to WOW than gear and I would suggest o anyone that you play the game for those reasons and not gear or you will feel like its a treadmill.
mm ok tell me what you do when you have read and done the quest, you have reach max lvl and done crafting? You grind for gears in instance or grind rep for gears and what else?
Max level? What's that?
Since I read and do all the quests I can find, and explore every area I see, I have never...in any game...reached max level.
To me, it's not about levels and getting to the top. It's about seeing the world and taking my time.
It's not fun having all your progress reset every two years. The game is all about getting gear... Not keeping it. Blizzard has made this clear with every expansion that resets progress and makes content obsolete. Why bother attaining anything if it ultimately becomes worthless? I'm sorry but the actual content that one needs to play through for this gear isn't good enough to stand on it's own. So getting to see the content or knowing you cleared it means nothing once the rewards from that experience mean nothing.
Playing along with this same logic, why ever bother getting level 2 when it will be made obsolete when you gain level 3? Why bother running dungeons if you are just going to raid once you have complete those? Why bother leveling a tradeskill when 95% of it you will outgrow? Why ever learn firebolt when you will get fireball in 3 more levels?
Games like this are built on the foundation of players constantly updating their characters and experiences. Some will selectively see this and trivializing past efforts and other will see it as just more of what they have been doing for 80 levels already.
Your completely right and this is why I don't play Wow, progression and achievements are completely meaningless and to top it off the content is shit. Atleast in a game like eve my skills mean something, my achievements are long term. When I got into a HAC meant somethng and it was always useful. I can't say the same for my thunderfury or anything else I achieved in wow from reputations to old gear sets to honor rankings... Their simply is no long term achievement in wow and this makes the entire experience soulless and for me it becomes a complete waste of time. I'm play through Lotro right now and Atleast the game masks the scam, through use of the cosmetics tab I can always wear old gear, with crating guilds my craft has an illusion of meaning, with the epic book quests and dungeon scaling content feels meaningful and doesn't feel like it's going obsolete. Blizzard simply comes off like they don't give a shit.
I don't work to get gear though. I play the parts that I enjoy and whatever gear falls into my lap is a side effect.
I agree with Daff. I do not play WOW for gear, gear is gotten when gear is gotten. I could care less honestly. I play WOW because I enjoy the game and like the story and the little things here and there.
There is so much more to WOW than gear and I would suggest o anyone that you play the game for those reasons and not gear or you will feel like its a treadmill.
mm ok tell me what you do when you have read and done the quest, you have reach max lvl and done crafting? You grind for gears in instance or grind rep for gears and what else?
Max level? What's that?
Since I read and do all the quests I can find, and explore every area I see, I have never...in any game...reached max level.
To me, it's not about levels and getting to the top. It's about seeing the world and taking my time.
But hey....that's just me.
lol come on in wow if you read all quest and do them You Will reach max lvl and really fast. You cant take time in wow unless you sit there and watch the sky. For the exploring you just have to follow the quest and you will see all the zone.
I don't work to get gear though. I play the parts that I enjoy and whatever gear falls into my lap is a side effect.
I agree with Daff. I do not play WOW for gear, gear is gotten when gear is gotten. I could care less honestly. I play WOW because I enjoy the game and like the story and the little things here and there.
There is so much more to WOW than gear and I would suggest o anyone that you play the game for those reasons and not gear or you will feel like its a treadmill.
mm ok tell me what you do when you have read and done the quest, you have reach max lvl and done crafting? You grind for gears in instance or grind rep for gears and what else?
Max level? What's that?
Since I read and do all the quests I can find, and explore every area I see, I have never...in any game...reached max level.
To me, it's not about levels and getting to the top. It's about seeing the world and taking my time.
But hey....that's just me.
lol come on in wow if you read all quest and do them You Will reach max lvl and really fast. You cant take time in wow unless you sit there and watch the sky. For the exploring you just have to follow the quest and you will see all the zone.
Well....having been absent from WoW for over a year, I rolled a new main and alt with the release of Cata....and my highest level character is L14.
I've been playing off and on since day one of Cata, I'm a casual player, and at this rate, I'll get to max level around the time they release the next expansion.
Yeh...I watch the sky, chat, goof off while playing, but I'll never run out of content.
I don't work to get gear though. I play the parts that I enjoy and whatever gear falls into my lap is a side effect.
I agree with Daff. I do not play WOW for gear, gear is gotten when gear is gotten. I could care less honestly. I play WOW because I enjoy the game and like the story and the little things here and there.
There is so much more to WOW than gear and I would suggest o anyone that you play the game for those reasons and not gear or you will feel like its a treadmill.
mm ok tell me what you do when you have read and done the quest, you have reach max lvl and done crafting? You grind for gears in instance or grind rep for gears and what else?
Max level? What's that?
Since I read and do all the quests I can find, and explore every area I see, I have never...in any game...reached max level.
To me, it's not about levels and getting to the top. It's about seeing the world and taking my time.
But hey....that's just me.
lol come on in wow if you read all quest and do them You Will reach max lvl and really fast. You cant take time in wow unless you sit there and watch the sky. For the exploring you just have to follow the quest and you will see all the zone.
Well....having been absent from WoW for over a year, I rolled a new main and alt with the release of Cata....and my highest level character is L14.
I've been playing off and on since day one of Cata, I'm a casual player, and at this rate, I'll get to max level around the time they release the next expansion.
Yeh...I watch the sky, chat, goof off while playing, but I'll never run out of content.
Well i think of myself has a regular gamer, i play couples hours per days and i reroll a new character to tried the re-vamp zones and it took me less than 60 hours to do 1-60 lvl. To not reach max lvl in 2 years time for me that would mean i have to play what 25 min a day maibe..
In any case when you reach max lvl the main goal is gears.
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I think it is more for anyone leveling up a new character or starting to play. You can't expect new players to stop and raid one 3 times to be able to continue playing.
Of course you are partly right as well, trying to get players for lvl 60 40 man raids when everyone is 85 would be more than a bother.
Its just more of the same old thing ... but different....
Cataclysm is like a party clown making balloon animals to entertain children, instead of a pony this time Blizzard made a giraffe. Nothing really new, just the same game world twisted around a bit into a new shape. Which seems to be all the current player base really wanted.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Yes, it is you.
Did you even read the op?
Yes I did, and instead of trying to answer the OPs myriad of questions of confusion I instead made the attempt to point out that all of them could be answered by explaining the simple fact that Blizzard just keeps resetting the player base back to square one with each expansion to keep them hooked. A tactic that seems to work like gang busters. S A V V Y?
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
I'm confused? You want to wear the same armor for 60 all the way to 85? Is that what you want? Oh you just don't want too replace it on greens? I did not replace my 277-281 gear until about 83? I think your playing it wrong. Yes, your purple do get replaced they do have experation dates and that is fine because YOU SHOULD PLAY THE GAME TOO PLAY THE GAME NOT TOO GET A PURPLE. My epics were just means to make it easier too kill the next boss not the reason I play. L2PLAY GAMES YOU FOOLS
I love WoW I play WoW but if your only reason too play is to farm purples.. Please get out of my game you are usless and no-1 wants you.
What he said.... but I woulda probably been a little nicer..... But he speaks the truth >.>
Dem hibbies! Dey be wrong!
A new expansion doesn't ruin the enjoyment I had from the previous 12 months in the last expansion. It just gives new goals to achieve.
The last thing I would want is a new expansion that offered little advancement just so that my old epics could retain their value for a long time.
I don't work to get gear though. I play the parts that I enjoy and whatever gear falls into my lap is a side effect.
I don't understand would you rather the game be the same for 6+ years? there are 2 years in between every expansion (roughly) to say a new expansion makes that 2 years totally useless is kinda a ridiculous comment. I somewhat agree with you that it is a little disheartening that after 2 years your gear is pretty much worthless after expansion release. But hey i'd rather that than a game that doesn't change.
Pretty much any game that releases an expansion renders previous gear "useless". Whats the point of paying for an expansion if it doesn't?
What would be the point of an expansion if we get to keep our old gears ? And yes you'll have 2-3 years to grind the same dungeons all over again, so dont worry.
You are right, Blizzard have no choice but to do like this. It is the disadvantages of a level and gear based system.
With no levels and less gear dependency you could make a different kind of expansions that offer a different experience without making the old stuff useless but Wows mechanics means that they more or less must raise the level every time and in a levelbased system gear from lower levels don't measure up no matter if it is raid gear or not.
Wows endgame is about getting gear. If you weren't force to get new after every expansion there would be very little keeping the players.
You are wrong generally about a game that doesn't change, with the right mechanics (that is character based instead of gear based) you can make expansions were people don't need new gear and still change the game, but in Wows case are you right.
There are games were old gear is as good as new gear and you still get good value for your money, like Guildwars. Sandbox games without levels like Eve and UO have the same advantages. There are other reasons than gear to buy expansions for games like that.
But Blizzard are doing the same thing as EQ here and they really have no choice unless they would do something luke an NGE and that would be an disaster.
I don't get the hard earned argument that a lot of people use as a complaint about new gear. How is farming points or badges by doing instances over and over hard earned? The days of rare or epic gear are long gone. Crafting in WoW is extremely simple so having crafted purples is available to even the most casual of players. A full set of T10 gear is easy to buy by anyone who wants to run a few randoms a day.
Blizzard makes it extremely easy for players to catch up and jump right into heroic dungeons and raids with minimal effort. The way they choose to do it is by making you upgrade to the current expansions gear...just like EVERY other MMO with gear/level based progression.
I was quite excited the other day when I finally got an upgrade. ICC has been out for a year now, isn't it time we got some upgrades?
So you played few fail games that went no where and have no future. Good to know.
you "worked hard" for your epics in WOTLK?
sorry, what game was that again? as far as i remember content was facerollable 90% of the time in Wotlk and gear rained pretty much from the sky.
seriously though, if you let previous tier epics carry over to the next expansion you got a big problem.
Remember this time we only got 5 lvls not 10 like the last two times, of course gear is going to be overblown.
Atm 1 cataclysm lvl equals 2 wotlk lvls, its just a matter of perspective.
Add to that the very substantial changes to class and talent mechanics and you end up at this result.
Every time there is an expansion there were core mechanic changes for several classes you got to balance this out with gear.
Take the new mana-regen system where mages dont need spirit gear anymore, in wotlk as arcane i stacked spirit, i NEEDED to get rid of that gear because its f-ing useless in Cataclysm.
Pre-wotlk i stacked mp5, and spell-dmg, that was consolidated into spirit and spell-power, suddenly my gear was counted as healing gear, i needed to replace that too.
Furthermore Cataclysm is a re-boot, its basically a new game, some classes are completely changed mechanics wise (Pala, Lock, Boomkin, Hunter) with proc-based mechanics, a third resource, etc.
You NEED to wipe the gear-slate clean, never was this more true than with Cataclysm.
I gota agree with the Original post, yeah the game dose get worse after every expansion, I loved the old days of 40man raids, Legendery items like Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker, Atiesh, Greatstaff of the Guardian and Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros where a guild really had to work for them and had real braggin rights.
Todays WoW players seem to just want everything handed to them on a plate, and Blizzard gives it to them. Like the topic above says peopel could just lvl from 1- 80 prob pick up enough badges or justice points around lvl 75+ doing dungeons then nip to badge vendor get 3 pieces of T10 then jump stright into end game.
I was really looking forward to cata read alot of things saything they were making it alot difficult than WOTLK, so far I aint noticed that only took me 2 days to get to 85 doing qsts , crafting . Yet wasnt there ment to be 3 times more content than WOTLK, yeah ok Blizzard , WHATEVER.
A week after launch and guilds are already clearing raid content, now these prob are Hardcore guilds. but even so, Blizzard should of been hoping it should of least taken a month for even the best guilds out there.
Next thing Blizzard will do to ruin the game even more will introduce X - Realm Raids.
I can understand making the game / end game enjoyable for the casual player who might only get to play at weekends or a few hours a week/ night, I really do. But Ive been playing the game for 6 years, well 5 as a took a year away from the game, Ive invested alot of time and money into my char. worked hard for what ive achived in game and it was a struggle at times , crafting all my tank resist sets, so my guild could progress past 1 boss. endless hours , days , weeks farming mats so I could finally make that epic armor piece I wanted , and grinding the elite mobs in Hearthsglen for weeks just to get that bsmith recipe that drops of that only mob in the game, and the feeling I had when I finaly completed Treasure of the Timeless One 2 years after starting the qst line.
I really hope Blizzard bring back server events like the Opening of Ahn'Qiraj one they had, something like that again would be great and Give us adventures that like to put the time and effort in quests like the one i mentioned above where it took months to complete raids to get that 1 item that never dropped, working as a guild. isnt that what an MMO is all about.
This Might sound like trolling / ranting and I suppose it is in a way, but dont get me wrong I love WoW, its easy the best MMO out there, but its just getting easier and easier expansion after expansion, patch after patch
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Playing along with this same logic, why ever bother getting level 2 when it will be made obsolete when you gain level 3? Why bother running dungeons if you are just going to raid once you have complete those? Why bother leveling a tradeskill when 95% of it you will outgrow? Why ever learn firebolt when you will get fireball in 3 more levels?
Games like this are built on the foundation of players constantly updating their characters and experiences. Some will selectively see this and trivializing past efforts and other will see it as just more of what they have been doing for 80 levels already.
mm ok tell me what you do when you have read and done the quest, you have reach max lvl and done crafting? You grind for gears in instance or grind rep for gears and what else?
Max level? What's that?
Since I read and do all the quests I can find, and explore every area I see, I have never...in any game...reached max level.
To me, it's not about levels and getting to the top. It's about seeing the world and taking my time.
But hey....that's just me.
Playing along with this same logic, why ever bother getting level 2 when it will be made obsolete when you gain level 3? Why bother running dungeons if you are just going to raid once you have complete those? Why bother leveling a tradeskill when 95% of it you will outgrow? Why ever learn firebolt when you will get fireball in 3 more levels?
Games like this are built on the foundation of players constantly updating their characters and experiences. Some will selectively see this and trivializing past efforts and other will see it as just more of what they have been doing for 80 levels already.
Your completely right and this is why I don't play Wow, progression and achievements are completely meaningless and to top it off the content is shit. Atleast in a game like eve my skills mean something, my achievements are long term. When I got into a HAC meant somethng and it was always useful. I can't say the same for my thunderfury or anything else I achieved in wow from reputations to old gear sets to honor rankings... Their simply is no long term achievement in wow and this makes the entire experience soulless and for me it becomes a complete waste of time.I'm play through Lotro right now and Atleast the game masks the scam, through use of the cosmetics tab I can always wear old gear, with crating guilds my craft has an illusion of meaning, with the epic book quests and dungeon scaling content feels meaningful and doesn't feel like it's going obsolete. Blizzard simply comes off like they don't give a shit.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
lol come on in wow if you read all quest and do them You Will reach max lvl and really fast. You cant take time in wow unless you sit there and watch the sky. For the exploring you just have to follow the quest and you will see all the zone.
Well....having been absent from WoW for over a year, I rolled a new main and alt with the release of Cata....and my highest level character is L14.
I've been playing off and on since day one of Cata, I'm a casual player, and at this rate, I'll get to max level around the time they release the next expansion.
Yeh...I watch the sky, chat, goof off while playing, but I'll never run out of content.
Well i think of myself has a regular gamer, i play couples hours per days and i reroll a new character to tried the re-vamp zones and it took me less than 60 hours to do 1-60 lvl. To not reach max lvl in 2 years time for me that would mean i have to play what 25 min a day maibe..
In any case when you reach max lvl the main goal is gears.