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Rift: Working As Intended

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  • ParadoxyParadoxy Member Posts: 786

    300 compared to 600 in Rift.. moreover Rift can generate those numbers without sacrfising graphical quality. unless you believe that WOW and Rift look the same?

    Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?


    Originally posted by Arcken

    To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
    Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible

  • romanator0romanator0 Member Posts: 2,382

    Originally posted by Paradoxy

    300 compared to 600 in Rift.. moreover Rift can generate those numbers without sacrfising graphical quality. unless you believe that WOW and Rift look the same?

    300 is just an estimation. http://www.gamebreaker.tv/blog/legendary-theme-music/2010/12 if you watch this they mention that there is most likely far more than 300 people, and thats only counting the ones that were participating and not the people that just happened to be there.

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  • AzzkickaAzzkicka Member Posts: 157

    Originally posted by romanator0

    Originally posted by Paradoxy

    300 compared to 600 in Rift.. moreover Rift can generate those numbers without sacrfising graphical quality. unless you believe that WOW and Rift look the same?

    300 is just an estimation. http://www.gamebreaker.tv/blog/legendary-theme-music/2010/12 if you watch this they mention that there is most likely far more than 300 people, and thats only counting the ones that were participating and not the people that just happened to be there.

    Well first of all was there lag?  B/c the last time i played WoW and numbers like that were on the screen i was having 4-5 second lag minimum.  Its hard to tell how much lag is going on there b/c the guy taking the video literally just runs around and doesnt do anything

    I remember Wintegrasps that had so much lag you would press and instant cast ability, run around for about 3 minutes, then the instant would go off.   The only way they were able to fix this is by creating a seperate WG instance that was limited to a certain number of players.

    Edit:

    But if this is real and there is no lag issues at all then grats to blizzard.  B/c WoW certianly never preformed that well when i played, and it was/is always better at large scale combat then most of the other mmos out there.

  • djazzydjazzy Member Posts: 3,578

    Originally posted by Azzkicka

    Originally posted by romanator0


    Originally posted by Paradoxy

    300 compared to 600 in Rift.. moreover Rift can generate those numbers without sacrfising graphical quality. unless you believe that WOW and Rift look the same?

    300 is just an estimation. http://www.gamebreaker.tv/blog/legendary-theme-music/2010/12 if you watch this they mention that there is most likely far more than 300 people, and thats only counting the ones that were participating and not the people that just happened to be there.

    Well first of all was there lag?  B/c the last time i played WoW and numbers like that were on the screen i was having 4-5 second lag minimum.  Its hard to tell how much lag is going on there b/c the guy taking the video literally just runs around and doesnt do anything

    I remember Wintegrasps that had so much lag you would press and instant cast ability, run around for about 3 minutes, then the instant would go off.   The only way they were able to fix this is by creating a seperate WG instance that was limited to a certain number of players.

    Same experience here. Blizzard even changed WG because of the lag induced by high numbers.

  • romanator0romanator0 Member Posts: 2,382

    Originally posted by Azzkicka

    Originally posted by romanator0


    Originally posted by Paradoxy

    300 compared to 600 in Rift.. moreover Rift can generate those numbers without sacrfising graphical quality. unless you believe that WOW and Rift look the same?

    300 is just an estimation. http://www.gamebreaker.tv/blog/legendary-theme-music/2010/12 if you watch this they mention that there is most likely far more than 300 people, and thats only counting the ones that were participating and not the people that just happened to be there.

    Well first of all was there lag?  B/c the last time i played WoW and numbers like that were on the screen i was having 4-5 second lag minimum.  Its hard to tell how much lag is going on there b/c the guy taking the video literally just runs around and doesnt do anything

    I remember Wintegrasps that had so much lag you would press and instant cast ability, run around for about 3 minutes, then the instant would go off.   The only way they were able to fix this is by creating a seperate WG instance that was limited to a certain number of players.

    Edit:

    But if this is real and there is no lag issues at all then grats to blizzard.  B/c WoW certianly never preformed that well when i played, and it was/is always better at large scale combat then most of the other mmos out there.

    it is real. it took place during the after-party of the Legendary Podcast.

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  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

    Great, so now MMORPG.COM columnists are actively defending MMORPGs with zero innovation and want people to stop criticise them. Really? I mean are there movie reviewers out there who honestly are bashing normal folks for not wanting to see LOTRO and Kill Bill copycats?

    I know this site is dependant on paid ads from those devs but please, be a little more discrete about who's side you are on. 

    And instead of being so condascending maybe you should try and understand why so many are so dissapointed about something that was obvious. Yes people should have expected yet another WoW clone but there are lots of us who are waiting for something to vitalize this decadent genre.

  • SilverbranchSilverbranch Member UncommonPosts: 195

    Originally posted by Yamota

    Great, so now MMORPG.COM columnists are actively defending MMORPGs with zero innovation and want people to stop criticise them. Really? I mean are there movie reviewers out there who honestly are bashing normal folks for not wanting to see LOTRO and Kill Bill copycats?

    I know this site is dependant on paid ads from those devs but please, be a little more discrete about who's side you are on. 

    And instead of being so condascending maybe you should try and understand why so many are so dissapointed about something that was obvious. Yes people should have expected yet another WoW clone but there are lots of us who are waiting for something to vitalize this decadent genre.


     

     Trading viewpoints is a good thing.  I don't think anyone was suggesting constructive critisism is bad so don't do it.

    People are free to defend a product for whatever reasons they feel justify it, so it's no skin off your nose, nothing to see here, move along.

    Lastly, there is no such thing as a "WoW clone" given WoW isn't the wellspring of the genre.  "WoW clone" is typically bandied about by children who entered PC use around the time WoW was released. lmao.

    The thing to focus on is:  Rift is in Beta, to be released in 2011.  Is it a good game worthy of a sub?  So far the consensus seems to be yes.

    Given evolution is perpetual and never ending, the Smart Gamer will provide a detailed list of things they'd like to see in the game.  In other words, if you are so hot on seeing something representing the "next gen", something not "decadent", then LIST the criteria to be met by which that is measured.

    That's constructive critisism.

    Wherever you go, there you are.

  • SilverbranchSilverbranch Member UncommonPosts: 195

    Originally posted by Zeroxin

    Originally posted by Amathe


    ""I agree with you. When TRION said 'next gen' they were talking about game engine and its ability to withstand huge amount of load. The last day event was most impressive. 500 players in one zone with 100's of mob spawned everywhere. the server didn't crash,"


     


    If the above is true, that’s next-gen indeed."


     


    Unless you count the Ring War in the Great Divide in original Everquest.

    *Ahem*

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/10/30/the-largest-battle-ever-held-in-eve-online-is-going-on-right-now/

    Next-gen? Yea fantasy games must be waaay behind if thats the case.


     

     Apples and Oranges graphics environments.

    Trees, grass, bugs, leaves, et. al., probably play a big role in what has to be taken into account as opposed to mostly empty space and ships.

    Still an impressive fleet engagement though.  I like EvE.  Well thought out game.

    Wherever you go, there you are.

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  • bigd525bigd525 Member Posts: 32

    I see that a lot of people are take next gen out  of context. Dose it have next gen graphics, yes so get over it. They may not have built a great new combat system because they want you to feel at home when you play it.

    Its next gen in its own way. IT has next gen graphics,  server technology, evolving world (rifts poping up with death dumoing out of it). These are new things are they not. So it is next gen to a point just not next gen the way you want it to be and maybe the CEO stated more then they put in the game so what can it still be a great game yes and its only beta who knows what they have in store only time will tell. 

    Anyways ill be in beta tuesday and see for myself.  If your looking for a new change to mmo's then keep waiting for GW2 as I am but this will be a great game to play till then and a nice break from WOW.

  • bigd525bigd525 Member Posts: 32

    Originally posted by bigd525



    I see that a lot of people are take next gen out  of context. Dose it have next gen graphics, yes so get over it. They may not have built a great new combat system because they want you to feel at home when you play it.

    Its next gen in its own way. IT has next gen graphics,  server technology, evolving world (rifts poping up with death dumoing out of it). These are new things are they not. So it is next gen to a point just not next gen the way you want it to be and maybe the CEO stated more then they put in the game so what can it still be a great game yes and its only beta who knows what they have in store only time will tell. 

    Anyways ill be in beta tuesday and see for myself.  If your looking for a new change to mmo's then keep waiting for GW2 as I am but this will be a great game to play till then and a nice break from WOW.


     

    dumping*

  • MacDeathMacDeath Member Posts: 21

    Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

    Originally posted by Paradoxy


    Originally posted by Cik_Asalin


    Originally posted by Nikkita


    Originally posted by Cik_Asalin



    And according to you, your looking for more, to expand upon a definition to presuade someone that something isnt what itt is.  Thats ok.  There will always be 2-3-4 opposing points of view, and Im ok with that.  But dont think that your point of view is "the" one either.  I dont consider non-crashing servers playing into next-gen;I consider that doing their "job" when promoting a 'massively-multiplayer' platform.

    Are you sure i am the one trying to persuade people here into believing something else? if you cared to read properly i never said you are wrong infact what i am saying is that you think that only your interpretation is right one.

    No, I said everyone has an opinion and there are 2,3,4 opinions on the same subject, as there should be, and I'm ok with that.  However, now I have this experience of someone over-looking that in an attempt to draw an linear line to my opinion about Rift being more of an amalgamation than next-genertaion, that Trion has the potential to enhance the current crop of mmo features into one game that is more complete than most in the past 6-years, that I dont think that because they can keep their servers up and be stable on launch, that to me that isnt synonimous with "next' generation".  Just like someone trying to convince me that when I buy a car, the wheels wont come off when I'm 10-miles down the road; that's not next generation.

     

    I can continue to exagerate too, but I'd rather not.  I'd like to be more subtle about my appreciation for Rift while using softer adjectives.

    In other words you only want to see 'next gen' in your own way. Fair enough. But it still doesn't give you a right to point fingers and blame Trion for baiting players when according to you the meaning of what is 'next gen' is open for interpretation. For me 'next gen' is whole package.

    I can't ignore the way dynamic events are handeled, soul system and the tech that finally makes it possible to have hundereds of players online at same time taking part in massive events. For me all of this is next gen because Rift made it possible and if other companies utilize this engine the dream of having 500+ player PVP would not just be a dream anymore.

    I can understand that someone would want to "shut me up" or "invalidate" my thoughts, because my interpretation doesn't match theirs; I see it every day in all aspects of life.  And that's my point; yes I can point a finger at Trion and crtiicize them by saying their definition of "next-generation" is "not" encompassing of my interpretation or is not realized yet.  But at the same time, you might imply that "next-generation" is encompassing of your interpretation and already realized; pot to kettle.

     

    Rift isnt the first game to have hundreds of players on line simultaneously taking part in massive events.  As a matter of observation, I haven't seen 100's of players within the same localized area, on-line, at the same event yet in Rift.  But we have all seen massively social worlds, with many, many people doing "things" simultaneously, but that isn't innovative, but standard.  However, I will say that was my most fun in Darkfall; where with greater server capacity and technology, the fortress/city raids would have been much more awesome, though they were great fun none-the-less with 100's of players in the same location attacking and defending with cause and purpose; not against unintelligent mobs on a leash, but cooperatively and competitively along with community members in an open world.  We can mix it up at another time about whether that transcends to real game-play value, tangible rewards, or motivating purpose for a realizable risk, loss or acquisition.

     

    So, I'll continue to nit-pick as others will continue to praise, and when Les Buttler says "...we're no longer talking about a standard MMORPG for example, where every quest, every event is already mapped out and known..." I cant help but cringe and think that, but what I experienced is a game where you are forced along a Rail-Way with go here "--->"  to that spot "x" and kill 10 of those, grab this, come back here "x" and then go over there "!" and do it again, while you cant accomplish a heroic character and get good character developmental rewards by just doing dynamic Rift events, which occur pretty much in the same spot anyway.  But again, I too am generalizing, and my caveat is that I've only been in 2 Beta Events, and Im overly generalizing the critique just as others are overly generalizing the accolades & praise.

     

    Again, I always try to inject my appreciation for Rift or potential appreciation, but with a governor.  For those that are skeptics or cautiously optomistic, like myself, with a hint of potential appreciation, Rift might be a bit more fun, more complete and polished than that which is currently available, particularly at launch; and that is a very positive thing.  I have not personaly experience something that amounts to flowing praise of next-generation, but an "amalgamation" of basic features from other mainstream mmo's, packaged into one, potentially polished at launch, which is a very pleasing experience. 

     

    But until I experince the, as you are looking forward to, this 100's of players taking part in the same local event or 500 player PVP events, and experienceing the stability of their community-centric, involved, coopertaive and competitive open-world massively-multiplayer events, I'm not accepting it on face-value.

    BTW, the guys name is Lars Butler, not Les Butler.  Now I see where a lot of the confusion comes from. I wouldn't buy a Les Butler game either but Lars and his team have made a very stable highly polished game that I enjoy playing

    MacDeath

  • PapamacPapamac Member UncommonPosts: 162

    Great article.  I agree completely.

  • bamdorfbamdorf Member UncommonPosts: 150

    Originally posted by Yamota

    -snip-

    And instead of being so condascending maybe you should try and understand why so many are so dissapointed about something that was obvious. Yes people should have expected yet another WoW clone but there are lots of us who are waiting for something to vitalize this decadent genre.


     

     That's the crux of the matter.    One Saturday afternoon, oh 11-12 years ago, installed a new game on my computer, and popped into a world unlike anything I had imagined previously.    I remember the very strong impulse of "this is something I have to power through, figure out." Dozens of other characters wandering around, chat window bursting, taking a couple steps and falling off the platform in Kelethin, thud dead.    And backing off to try a warrior in a simpler setting (I later realized my ranger trainer was on the same platform where my first character was born, LOL.)

    The problems with the game were legion, but it didn't stop me because it was so new and fresh and vital.   Nowadays the polish of games gets better and better.    That's good.  I have enjoyed playing many MMOs.    But it isn't the goal I am looking for---no, it is something like that experience so many years ago.   Maybe I should call it the "holy grail" of MMOs.   Maybe, since the reaction I had was because I was experiencing an entirely new genre for the first time, it is a contradiction  in terms.   The game I am looking for, perhaps, won't be called an MMO.   I don't know what it will be.   It will be buggy because it will be new.   There have  been vast improvements in MMOs in the last 10 years.   Fine.   But it's evolution, not revolution.

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  • RudedawgCDNRudedawgCDN Member UncommonPosts: 507

    Congratulations all you fan boys "next gen" has now become the new tech speek for this game "works".

    We have become sheep. 

    Stupidly happy if a product actually works on release.

    The game has boring combat and leads you by the nose from one leveling spot (quest hub) to the next.

    Welcome to the new "next gen" - dumbed down for mass consumption with pretty graphics.

  • NikkitaNikkita Member Posts: 790

    Originally posted by zigmund

    Congratulations all you fan boys "next gen" has now become the new tech speek for this game "works".

    We have become sheep. 

    Stupidly happy if a product actually works on release.

    The game has boring combat and leads you by the nose from one leveling spot (quest hub) to the next.

    Welcome to the new "next gen" - dumbed down for mass consumption with pretty graphics.

    Thanks for a very intelligent and thoughtful original opinion. It doesn't look like at all that you just copy pasted it from another 100 gaming forums on this website . Thanks for changing my life.

    Merry Xmas!

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  • SilverbranchSilverbranch Member UncommonPosts: 195

    Originally posted by zigmund

    Congratulations all you fan boys "next gen" has now become the new tech speek for this game "works".

    We have become sheep. 

    Stupidly happy if a product actually works on release.

    The game has boring combat and leads you by the nose from one leveling spot (quest hub) to the next.

    Welcome to the new "next gen" - dumbed down for mass consumption with pretty graphics.


     

     There are no "fanbois".  Just people with differing opinions, even if the opinions are the same if anybody bothered to look closely (wink).

    I'm all for "nextgen", "the next level", "progression and evolution", and new stuff. The problem is I don't see much in the way of information as to WHAT that's supposed to be . . . even from rabid "non-fanbois" like you.  All I hear is whining along the lines of "Ahhh (wahhhh!) it's not next gen stuff!", with no information as to what YOU consider nextgen / evolution.

     

    It's easy to complain isn't it? :)

     

    I will agree with you though, there is an unhappy trend in the MMO marketplace today, which is the dumbing down of products for mass consumption, oftentimes camoflaged with pretty graphics.

     

    It's not just "dumbing" games down though.  It's SLOPPY products on release, it's denying playerbases the consideration of paying customers while instead treating them as a testing department for the vagaries of dev experimentation, etc. 

     

    I'm looking forward to Rift to see if it FEELS like a gaming company made a game for gamers.  If they got that right, and got the "same oh same oh" right, the game is worth a sub to see if that will fund it to "nextgen heights".  I'm not out much, because I can unsubb as soon as it's not worth the sub anymore.

     

    That's the attitude to take, because it gives new games a CHANCE.  Which they deserve.

    Wherever you go, there you are.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332

    Quote...

    I appreciate it if you’ve read this far, and I’m cool with it if you want to slam me and tell me how off base or moronic I am, because honestly… that’s why I love it here.

    Unfortunately MUCH less,even half hearted fun or not even poking any intent towards another user has been met with VERY loose moderation here on MMORPG.com.So although you say you are ok with it,the mods seem to have their own personal agenda.I am in the same boat as you ,i can handle someone telling me i am wrong or discussing how they feel what i said is wrong,i don't get all huffy,but again,mods here have made making any kind of discussion here uncomfotable,they are actually ruining the very essence of a DISCUSSION website/forum.

    First up,i really have no beef at all with RIFT,i think it is a sort of cool game,so what i am about to say,i hope nobody holds it against me for speaking my mind on what i read from this article.

    I think others may actually agree with me on this,but the article seems to be more or less acting defensively on behalf of Rift ,alot more so than giving us people who didn't get a chance to play it,the inside scoop on the goodies.

    Like i said i am interested in RIFT and i do like what little i have seen,but i was not able to play the Beta .It was bascially a rant about forum users is what i got from this,not a big deal,but i had hoped for more about RIFT.I do understand the intent here,is that TRION delivered what they said they were going to ,so people shouldn't be expecting more,i do agree with that.

     

     

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  • travamarstravamars Member CommonPosts: 417

    Dare i to give a reasonale reply to these post???..............not unless i want to get banned...what a fucking joke this site is.

  • travamarstravamars Member CommonPosts: 417

    We all get it. some people (insert the obvious one here to help from getting banned) are alowed to be as vocal as they want. But if your negative in the slightest you get banned. lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I'm sorry i didnt realize what a one sided website i was at.. my fault

  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    Originally posted by bigd525

    I see that a lot of people are take next gen out  of context. Dose it have next gen graphics, yes so get over it. They may not have built a great new combat system because they want you to feel at home when you play it.

    Its next gen in its own way. IT has next gen graphics,  server technology, evolving world (rifts poping up with death dumoing out of it). These are new things are they not. So it is next gen to a point just not next gen the way you want it to be and maybe the CEO stated more then they put in the game so what can it still be a great game yes and its only beta who knows what they have in store only time will tell. 

    Anyways ill be in beta tuesday and see for myself.  If your looking for a new change to mmo's then keep waiting for GW2 as I am but this will be a great game to play till then and a nice break from WOW.

    I'm sorry but it's not.  It's a single threaded game engine that has the ability to make the game look nice.  But it cannot and will not take full use of a high end computer.  And that is not keeping up with next gen hardware.   The fault lies with Trions choice in game engine.

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  • travamarstravamars Member CommonPosts: 417

    Originally posted by stayontarget

    Originally posted by bigd525

    I see that a lot of people are take next gen out  of context. Dose it have next gen graphics, yes so get over it. They may not have built a great new combat system because they want you to feel at home when you play it.

    Its next gen in its own way. IT has next gen graphics,  server technology, evolving world (rifts poping up with death dumoing out of it). These are new things are they not. So it is next gen to a point just not next gen the way you want it to be and maybe the CEO stated more then they put in the game so what can it still be a great game yes and its only beta who knows what they have in store only time will tell. 

    Anyways ill be in beta tuesday and see for myself.  If your looking for a new change to mmo's then keep waiting for GW2 as I am but this will be a great game to play till then and a nice break from WOW.

    I'm sorry but it's not.  It's a single threaded game engine that has the ability to make the game look nice.  But it cannot and will not take full use of a high end computer.  And that is not keeping up with next gen hardware.   The fault lies with Trions choice in game engine.

     Whoa.. stop it now...

    your talking facts and not just rambling on like a fanboy idiot...

    not allowed,,, Ban him immediately.

  • Cik_AsalinCik_Asalin Member Posts: 3,033

    Originally posted by stayontarget

    Originally posted by bigd525

    I see that a lot of people are take next gen out  of context. Dose it have next gen graphics, yes so get over it. They may not have built a great new combat system because they want you to feel at home when you play it.

    Its next gen in its own way. IT has next gen graphics,  server technology, evolving world (rifts poping up with death dumoing out of it). These are new things are they not. So it is next gen to a point just not next gen the way you want it to be and maybe the CEO stated more then they put in the game so what can it still be a great game yes and its only beta who knows what they have in store only time will tell. 

    Anyways ill be in beta tuesday and see for myself.  If your looking for a new change to mmo's then keep waiting for GW2 as I am but this will be a great game to play till then and a nice break from WOW.

    I'm sorry but it's not.  It's a single threaded game engine that has the ability to make the game look nice.  But it cannot and will not take full use of a high end computer.  And that is not keeping up with next gen hardware.   The fault lies with Trions choice in game engine.

    Glad to see more grounded folks willing to call it like it is.  From my vantage-point, though, is doesn't diminish the itertaive or amalgamative mechanics and game-play that Trion is planning on serving-up which could turn out to be entertaining enough to earn my subscribership for more than a transitional few months.

     


    Originally posted by zigmund

    Congratulations all you fan boys "next gen" has now become the new tech speek for this game "works".

    We have become sheep. 

    Stupidly happy if a product actually works on release.

    The game has boring combat and leads you by the nose from one leveling spot (quest hub) to the next.

    Welcome to the new "next gen" - dumbed down for mass consumption with pretty graphics.

     

    To a degree I cant helpbut smile and say, ya know, some of that opinion about the next-gen term and new connotation you elude to isn't so innacurate.  I think that the perception of the dumbness of the combat stems from the WAR-like railed quest system.  

     

    I might be a little more forgiving on their combat mechanics due to the soul system where I can mix in a core of melee, a hint of mage and a dash of healer all on one character.  In addition to that, thank goodness the garden-variety quest system it is buffeted by dynamic content that the community as a whole must contend with in the spirit of thier purposeful game-play role, that isnt a static fetch quest, but should ('should being the operative word') motivare each faction to participate in. 

     

    And I also hope that that dynamic transcends mind-numbing pve mob bashing, but interlaces the dynamic with suspensful, unsuspecting and surprising involvement of the opposing faction in open-world areas as opposed to instances.

  • Cik_AsalinCik_Asalin Member Posts: 3,033

    Originally posted by MacDeath

    BTW, the guys name is Lars Butler, not Les Butler.  Now I see where a lot of the confusion comes from...

     


    Originally posted by Cik_Asalin



     


    In a past interview with Trion CEO, Lars Buttler, the question was asked:


     

     

    So after having properly mentioned the name in this thread previously, but to mis-spell it, invalidates all.   Great counter-point.  Is this where I go neener neener neener?

  • headenheaden Member UncommonPosts: 229

    I feel bad for the reviewers and staff in general at this site.  The people that frequent this site are are an odd bunch the ones who are not trolls are just plain thick, and the few who have reading comprehension are drown out by the wave of dunces.

     

    I realize I'm frequenting this site and the fact that I'm somewhat talking about myself.

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