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Why no sex on videogames?
AtrusV
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I mean the good games, not the typical hentai game. When people ask for sandbox games they think on: crafting, leading armies, owning fortress, stealing from dead players, ganking noobs, smacktalking..... but sex, is forbidden. Why? This is illogical. It's another subject related to the human being like the violent instincts and the feeling of being superior through... ruling an entire kingdom for example.
There is not even a good reason to not to be able to have sex between characters in games with a broader purpose than those which imitate the real life (like Second Life and its clones). I am refering to games with multiple posibilities as I said, giving you the option to join an army with other players, being a guild leader, having a house, a boat..... even a space warship, whatever.
PS Even avoiding the religious topic, the only reason I can find for this is that "religion says that sex is bad"
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Broader purpose than what?
In single players it works because it is part of the story line, mass effect comes to mind.
In mount and blade sex is implied.
In an mmo I can't see how it would work or have any gameplay effect other than fluff. In general sex in games is not considered a gameplay mechanic hence why it is considered that it happens outside active game time.
Because people are afraid of their naughty parts.
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To be serious though in something like a sandbox game or a story-driven-game a bloodline mechanic is more relevant. Or even the game mechanics to get into someone's pants are more interesting than actual sex in video games.
Basically sex/reletionships provides biological/emotional "needs" that are socially acceptable, so why put them in games. Video games tend to provide violence "needs" that aren't acceptable. Other types of game play like building/networking/crafting/leveling provides an accelerated way to achieve things you can't in the real.
lastly sex is such a low level thing, that your body will realize your mind is trying to trick it. Violence/adrenline/excitement/fight-flight/achievement is easier to trick the lower levels of your brain.
I guess you could also replace needs with wants.
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Maybe the games should have some kind of story line despite of being MMOs (like SWTOR), or maybe that could be optional funny stuff like the emotes or the housing in many games.
PS it's not designers fault that the guild master can't get enough players to kill Deathwing because they are r(a)iding the maiden in the castle.
because backwards america would freak out over it...but hey look! a bloody flying, chopped off head! SO COOL! Lets let our kids watch! WAIT A NIPPLE! PROTECT THE KIDS!
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Because, I can have sex with my wife any time I want. I don't need to have sex in a video game.
However, I can't go slay dragons or kill demons in real life. Building stuff in real life is just lousy pay and alot of commitment. However in games like Wurm, I do it all day long for fun. Hence, the need for it in a video game. Sex is something I do not care for in a game and I'm absolutely glad it doesn't exist.
Nudity in games would be good. If not for any reason but to keep most kids out. Parents don't care about blood and guts, but most sure wouldn't let their 13-15yr olds play a game full of nudity. It may attract some kids, but I think it would get rid of most. I'm sure games like Mortal Online, with full nudity, do not have a problem with very young kids who tend to destroy communities.
If you need Nudity or Sex in video games because that's what you want. You need to take a long hard look at your real life and try to figure out what's wrong there, instead of trying to supplement it with digital images.
If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people that use the crutch of "I have a wife and get mine, all you guys are losers" - when you know damn well you still watch porn regularly. It doesn't keep you from looking at random T&A, or from being curious about what color panties some other chick might be wearing. The fact of the matter is that you too would probably enjoy a game with sex/nudity in it, but you feel obligated to say you wouldn't because you have a wife and don't feel the need to. Yes you do, everyone feels that need, and you should turn your balls in at the door for thinking otherwise.
My stance on this is that sex sells, I see dollar signs when I think about this route for online gaming. Thing is though, that you don't just throw this in some game to add that flavor to it, no, you make a game *based* on sex/nudes then wrap the rest around it. Doesn't matter if it's sci-fi, fantasy or contemporary, the point is that the focus shouldn't be on leveling up / progression, it should be about a social environment for total perverts, that then has something else to do when they are doing spanking it. Think about it as if Leisure Suit Larry had an online game, tons of people play that for the comedy, but most of us do for the raunchyness. Aim for the nasty bits first, then think about how this could break down into actually being a game - and combat *doesn't* make the difference in what is a game, and what isn't, mind you.
Yes, I've thought long and hard (pun) about the subject before.
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I always wanted a game where I could ass rape my enemies after defeating them. That would be awesome. Oh, even better would be to have it happen to me. I hope someday they will make a more adult MMO for people like me.
If I feel the need to watch porn, I watch porn. There really isn't any debate in that, because you're right. However, I do not need it in a video game. I don't feel obligated in to say that, I say that because it's true. I don't want crap like that polluting a game. "Sex Sells" is already all over the place with females wearing next to nothing armor. Actually performing the act is something different.
The sarcasm of the guy below you basically sums up how I feel. Not that I even thought of it, but the tone of what he wrote.
Sounds like you're imposing your issues on others.
Just because you supplement your life with video games, doesn't mean that's the reason other people play videogames. I imagine something like The Sims has been wholly pointless to you given I'm sure you're able to order pizza and take out the garbage yourself, but that's missing the point of why its the top selling PC game series of all time.
There's sex in songs, music videos, movies, television shows, books etc. Why not sex in video games? For some reason parents feel, or the ESRB feels that parents feel, that video games influence kids much more than any other kind of media. Thus the game ratings and commitment from retailers to the ESRB that they won't carry any game that violates the ratings.
So, I dunno. I mean there's sex in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. Of course not explicit, but even that caused a hoopla. Those scenes were much, much, much less graphic than the 2-3 times a day rape scenes we can find on Lifetime.
There's just stigmas but honestly I think we've come a long way and will continue to progress. This generation of consoles had parental controls and etc. And more games will come from indie channels, direct downloads and so on and be free of brick and mortar worries. Sex aside, progress here is good just for the sake of eliminating bias against video games as an entertainment medium and bringing the accepted maturity levels up to parity with movies, comics and so on.
I didn't hope to achieve so much WIN in this topic, seriously. It remembers me two of the most recent comics of Action Trip in this web..... XD
Coming back to the topic. I don't want to force anyone to play sex on videogames or to complete his personal life with it. I just think that sex would be a good extra for many games. Whether involving sex with your NPC team mates or real players between them. In first place, the game doesn't have to be built around sex, it's just one of many possibilities and choices. The same way the achievements had brought fun to WoW in the idle time, we can add something to do in the games when the players are bored to do the same thing over and over and over..... Somebody will say in this moment "Hey, if you are bored in your game hang out with your friends and female friends and do something fun outside". Well, it's a good idea, but sometimes you want to do something different to that. And of course, you can't have mature games without including some kind of erotic situations in the script.
The whole idea came from reading the books of Geralt of Rivia. I'm really hooked to the story. I have spent whole days just reading, without touching the computer. The argument feels really mature because it mix everything you can find in the real life. Wars, violence, philosophy, human reactions, cruelty, selfishness, and even consensual sex or not consensual. That world feels real, vivid, it influences the reader feelings. If you add this to a game where you can do things you cannot do in the real life to prevent or to cause these situation, you are going to achieve the biggest success in the story of the MMO (after Ultima Online, but it's just because in that time there weren't real alternatives with the same deep as UO). It even could work as some kind of catharsis to problems of real people. You would be able to release a lot of hate, frustrations, or feeling joy when you are playing a videogame, which it improves your real life.
The whole thing seems a good idea to me. Using the sex to complete the MMO's world and to add realism to mature games. After all, isn't it what you want, to have an alternative world, as real as possible, where you can spend your idle time in the real world? The games, all of them, are based on that premise.
PS I agree with the last post. The progress, if it means to accept ourselves as human beings with all of our strenghts and weaknesses, is truly positive. Young people should learn what it means to be human through experimenting the life, not just by reading about it ("not just", I don't mean you musn't read) It cannot be tought through reading a book and then hearing "Ok, this is all, you have been made according to this and you have this instructions. Now, work and be productive."
The possibilities should be as wide as possible. Some of them represent unsolvable problems in the real life, but in videogames you can apply the trial and error principle without limitations, but knowing that you can't do (you shouldn't do) some of those things in real life.
For example, how to teach a person that killing is wrong. You could allow him to kill another person in a videogame and to feel the consecuences. The pain of the victim's family, his friends, his children. And the feeling of being pursued, to not to have any safe place to hide, to know that you have ruin your life and the life or other people. That way, you'll know that you don't have to do it in the real life.
In the other hand, you can teach certain people that some things that seems wrong, in fact, are nice, and natural. Sex is not bad, it's not something to be ashamed of. It doesn't have sense that their "god" gave them that possiblity but he wants that they don't do it. If it's just for reproduction, why does it feel good? Why would him have created us with the possibility to do something that he doesn't want that we do, and if we do it he condemn us to eternal suffering for it?. At least, it seems like a design FAIL for me.
You can visit a brothel in NWN. I don't know any other examples.
There are hardcore sex mmos but they are filthy XD
Unless I can give a chick a 'rusty venture', it ain't that bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f60xokC84jY
(nsfw, yet still primetime tv worthy)
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I'm with sepher.
You're imposing your values on others knowing full well that it doesn't work that way. You might not need it in a video game but there are plenty of people out there who would be willing to pay for it. Nobody has ever said that every game from there on will contain sex, nudity, sexuality. This would probably be ONE out of the many and nobody is holding a gun to your head saying you MUST watch/play, just like nobody's telling you to watch porn.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
I'm actually forcing some mormons that knocked on my door this morning to watch porn right now. You'd be surprised how well a gun to the head works as a negotiating tool.
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I tried something similar with Jehowa's Whitnesses... The police officers that showed up at my house a short while later seemed to frown upon this practice... I'm still confused as to why. Some people... eh?
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
Must be different area-to-area. My neighbors heard the shouting and called the cops, but the ones that showed up were kind enough to help apply the nipple clamps.
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Don't forget those butt plugs!
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See... why'd you have to take it to a dirty place?
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
Seriously! WTF is wrong with you?!
God, show a little class or something.
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I don't know why so many people have this perception of the censorship in America...it's not accurate, people freak out about violence on TV and in video games just as much as they freak out about sexual content...the ESRB was not created here because Mortal Kombat contained nudalities (it didn't)...
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Uhm dude just read through your own post a few times and you'll figure it out yourself....
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Still not? Because in RL, it isn't exactly easy to go conquer a kindgom for a bit of fun, or having massive battles carrying my weapons. Yea I know I could join a gang, but it's not exactly legal and ethical is it? Games just create that fun experience, being able to have sex in game is pretty lame, at least you feel some sense of achievement when you complete a hard quest or raid in an MMO. What are you supposed to feel with having 'sex' with another game character? Unless you're gonna...while the characters are at it...DUDE WTH IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
Lets see good games , GTA always has it .
Jagged Alliance 2 had it , Bioware Games usually have romance or naughty bits in it .
Gods of War 3 had aphrodites bedroom scene .
Sorry enough good games have it , just that those things makes the game 18+
In the past there wasn´t a age rating , nowadays having even romance or naughty bits even colored black .
Is already good enough to ENTICE THE PITCH VORK CROWD living in jersey .
But dont worry , chopping off people head and fingers and limps is considered acceptable to 14+
Its a double moral of today world , everything is judged double moral .
This is not meant to be negative , just plain cold harsh truth .
Uhm, yea, I remember Ninja Gaiden and Bio Shock being 14+ Yes games do involve violence but it is censored to the extent to fit the according age range. There is a difference in shooting an enemy who just simply dies to having his guts getting splattered all over the screen. If that is the case for what you've said, in the Lion King we should maybe have seen a side story where we see Scar banging Simba's mum. Yea it's not right is it? Yet we DID see his Mufasa fall off a cliff, where he was brutally crushed by a stampede, and eventually died.....it was a scary scene to watch as a child but it didn't scar me, watching Scar getting it on would've....
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
Maybe you will feel some kind of achievement if it's more difficult to take to your bed Jaina Proudmoore than the farmer's daughter, see? :P
Seriously guys, I found a great RPG game one month ago. The Legend of Queen Opala (it's supposed to have a second part). You should try it, it's a mix of hentai and RPG game with a very developed enviroment. You can buy your armor, form a group with NPC you encounter with. Have your own house, ship, buy maps of lost islands..... Seriously, It has a lot of deep. And of course, there are sex scenes which are narrated by the voice of hot women :P
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YWSKJ2SL
http://rapidshare.com/files/406377754/Legend_of_Queen_Opala_-_Golden_Edition.rar
For me, the best RPG I ever played (even non-hentai RPGs)
PS It even has a New Game + mode, which changes some things in the game and allows you to find the best armors and weapons in the game. And fight the most difficult bosses (well, not really once you are well equiped)