And who are you to say the game has not improved since you havent even tried it, its been what a year since you checked it out?
I am the only person that matters when deciding whether to spend my hard earned money on a game or not. To say that I haven't even tried it sounds a bit like I don't even know the game, I beta tested through open and closed beta and unlike many of the other people who no longer see this game as a viable way to spend time or money I played for about three months after launch. I also came back for the welcome back weekend so when they update the game it doesn't take rocket science for me to figure out whether or not the changes made are good enough to provide me with the type of enjoyment I expect from a game with a monthly subcription fee.
Originally posted by Angelbound
"Thank you that is all I was trying to say, there really is not much better out right now but this game needs to be more highly rated, to me the grind is no differant then cox, just as repetitive but atleast there is 2 forms of combat in sto."
What does it matter what the game is "rated" by anyone if you like it enjoy it, if others don't like it let them have their opinion as well. How does what others think of this game effect how it entertains you? The only point I have and will continue to make is if you are trying to start some big "the game is better than when you last played it" campaign on behalf of STO don't waste your time, I'll bet eighty percent of the responders to your post so far have had nothing nice to say about the game they simply don't,won't, and can't like the game.
Your argument is like trying to convince someone who wants a sports car why they should buy the station wagon instead. I'm not debating if STO is a good game for you or for a certain segment of people viable to keep the game in development mode, I'm simply suggesting that I'm not one of them and I think alot of people that have answered your post feel the same way.
Honestly if you feel so strongly why not go start a free to play campaign over there on the Cryptic boards, the one thing I can tell you is most of the people you came appealing to wouldn't put much time in this game any other way.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
This reminds me of the argument people use when discussing swg, post nge. There may have been tweaks here and there, some bugs and stability issues may have been sorted out, but the core gameplay remains the same. Therein lies the problem. The core game. Apart from the space combat, I didn't find any part of game to be fun, esp. the ground combat, which was essentially a Star Trek skinned Champions Online. So, if anything from the core game has changed, then maybe it might not be as bad as I remember it. If not, then theres no point in anyone going back or changing their minds about the game.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
This reminds me of the argument people use when discussing swg, post nge. There may have been tweaks here and there, some bugs and stability issues may have been sorted out, but the core gameplay remains the same. Therein lies the problem. The core game. Apart from the space combat, I didn't find any part of game to be fun, esp. the ground combat, which was essentially a Star Trek skinned Champions Online. So, if anything from the core game has changed, then maybe it might not be as bad as I remember it. If not, then theres no point in anyone going back or changing their minds about the game.
That's really the biggest issue with STO and why I can say with such certainty that this game is not worth my money, it does everything average or below.
I liked space combat myself but as you said ground combat was simply atrocious (just like I thought of champions before playing STO). I found it so bad in fact that I basically found myself wondering why they didn't just forgo everything external as the space part of the game (excluding the ridiculous maps) is the only thing that visually stands up to the Star Trek ip as I see it.
Maybe I'm the only one but it certainly doesn't help when a game that does everything so average is also lazy in design as not to have specified roles for bridge members, which further adds to the sense that this game simply has no soul whatsoever.
I could go on for days but the best way I can probably put it is if I recognize it as the STO that I played then it won't be up to par.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Your boring me bud, why are you even on this site if you do not care about ratings? Why arent you playing one of the older mmorpgs on the bottom then if it doesnt matter? I find that most of the time ratings do matter when it comes to mmorpgs it can easily tell you allot.
Your boring me bud, why are you even on this site if you do not care about ratings? Why arent you playing one of the older mmorpgs on the bottom then if it doesnt matter? I find that most of the time ratings do matter when it comes to mmorpgs it can easily tell you allot.
Think the better question is why are you on this site. Stop peddeling games that are worthless. You are not winning anybody over with it.
The only thing you have demonstrated in this thread is you have a piss poor taste in games. Not really something you should throw little tantrums at the rest of us for.
Your boring me bud, why are you even on this site if you do not care about ratings? Why arent you playing one of the older mmorpgs on the bottom then if it doesnt matter? I find that most of the time ratings do matter when it comes to mmorpgs it can easily tell you allot.
Ratings don't...and do matter. They don't natter when its from a single source, like one website or reviewer. It does start to matter when you start looking at ratings from multiple sources, both from critics and players. I look at various sources, from forums to gaming websites, before deciding whether or not something is worth my time. If its a game thats getting mixed reviews and I was interested in it beforehand, then I'll most likely check it out. If its getting blasted from all sides, then I'll most likely stay away (or wait for a free trial at the most). Thats the case with ST:O. It was pretty much universally panned everywhere, and rightfully so, which means most people are going to steer clear, regardless of whether or not there have been improvements to the game.
Just as a side note, you seem to be contradicting yourself with your statement above. You claim that people are being too hard on ST:O with their reviews and critiques and that ST:O is a better game than the ratings would suggest but then you say that "I find that most of the time ratings do matter when it comes to mmorpgs it can easily tell you allot."You confuse me.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Your boring me bud, why are you even on this site if you do not care about ratings? Why arent you playing one of the older mmorpgs on the bottom then if it doesnt matter? I find that most of the time ratings do matter when it comes to mmorpgs it can easily tell you allot.
Ratings don't...and do matter. They don't natter when its from a single source, like one website or reviewer. It does start to matter when you start looking at ratings from multiple sources, both from critics and players. I look at various sources, from forums to gaming websites, before deciding whether or not something is worth my time. If its a game thats getting mixed reviews and I was interested in it beforehand, then I'll most likely check it out. If its getting blasted from all sides, then I'll most likely stay away (or wait for a free trial at the most). Thats the case with ST:O. It was pretty much universally panned everywhere, and rightfully so, which means most people are going to steer clear, regardless of whether or not there have been improvements to the game.
Just as a side note, you seem to be contradicting yourself with your statement above. You claim that people are being too hard on ST:O with their reviews and critiques and that ST:O is a better game than the ratings would suggest but then you say that "I find that most of the time ratings do matter when it comes to mmorpgs it can easily tell you allot."You confuse me.
Nothing confusing about it.
He is saying that ratings should be trusted because they matter a lot. Since he doesn't agree with this sites rating of STO, it should be changed.
Ok I would love to know what mmorpg your playing right now because I want to try it, for some reason you think scanning x and y is any differant thing gather x and y or killing x and y then other mmos, there is no other mmo as far as I know that is not full of quests with good story that go kill x and y and bring back this and that. Rpgs revolve around fetch and kill quests, the only ones I know of do not do this is darkfall and ryzom but darkfall is major pvp and ryzom is meh in other features of the game.
Perhaps I should put it a different way. Im not attacking the fact that STO has kill and gathering missions. You are right, MMO's do have those and will probably always have those.
What I am addressing is that the kill 5 scan 5 are the exact same ones since launch. No thought or effort has been put into making them better or sprucing them up a bit so they at least seem less tedious as you do the same map over and over and over and over. Im hoping that Cryptic revamps the exploration missions.. which has been hinted at. So time will tell.
You know nothing about my taste in games, and as far as ratings go I meant more recent reviews on sto, of course when many reviewers all together are saying its bad it probably and usually is, for example if you say the game is to buggy then you really did experience allot of bugs then it really is buggy but if you go off and say I do not like this game because it was not realistic enough that is just an opinion.
I meant ratings matter to an extent I should have reworded that, if youd like I can name plenty of games I have beaten and enjoyed I am actually a gamer not just a mmo player, in otherwrods get off your high horse before you break your neck.
Well I see what you mean now I feel the same way about cox honestly and am starting to see what your saying now, I was confused in what you meant and now a little more skeptical of sto.
People have been hard on STO because that's exactly what it deserves.
I was there for launch and stuck around for 2-3 months. The game's shallow and lacks much of anything to do. Ground combat's atrocious. It got even worse if you PvP with ground maps.
I also signed up to play as a member of the Klingon Empire. Funny thing is that you had to play as a Fed first. Then once you got into the KDF gameplay, it's so stripped down compared to the Federation gaming experience (which isn't much to begin with, BTW). You had 1.5 zones of play. PvE gameplay in STO is pretty dull, but PvE as a Klingon was like running my balls repeatedly over a cheese grater. It sucks. Not to mention those idiots at Cryptic didn't allow the ground scanners / tricorder equivalents for the KDF to even work.
Klingon ship lineup is quite limited. Not much to begin with in regular canon Star Trek, but that didn't stop previous Star Trek games from developing new, full ship lineups for groups like the Klingons and Romulans. I also thought it funny that once you gained higher ranks, the signature ship of the KDF is a Carrier. A Carrier? Never noticed the Klingons proudly crewing starfighter carriers in Star Trek shows and movies. Not to mention reading about Cryptic catering to the Federation and giving the Feds qualities that were signatures to the Klingons.
Speaking of the Feds, that was another thing I got sick and tired of... the constant catering of Cryptic towards the Federation.
They made promises to really start fleshing out the Klingons soon after going live. 45 day patch anyone? Yeah, that did alot for the KDF. Patch after patch, more was being thrown to the Feds.
At the beginning, there were a bunch of KDF players and player fleets. But before I left, all that disentegrated. It became obvious Cryptic didn't really want to work on the Klingons. The lame, copout, lazy excuses started coming out that the Klingons were only meant for "Monster Play." I hear they're grudgingly doing a thing or two for the KDF, but it's too little too late. You think I want to come back to a miserable game like that? Those bastards were blatantly clear they didn't like the KDF. They didn't resolve our issues, didn't give two s**ts about some well put together suggestion threads that included images, links, canon information to inspire new things for the Klingons. Hell, I myself put together a couple threads showing uniforms from the TV shows & movies for the Klingons as well as corrections to the Klingon ship models and coloring (Klingons don't fly a grey colored fleet anymore, that was TOS/TMP era). I showed ships for the Klingons from other Star Trek games, using it as a possible source of inspiration how other developers fleshed out the ship lineups.
And relating to the last note was the sore lack of customization with your uniforms and ships as a member of the KDF. To put it bluntly, you couldn't do much customization. Ships? None at all really. Cryptic insults you by giving you the option to customize your parts and color scheme. But in reality, there weren't any parts to mess around with for your ship, nor could you really even change the color scheme of your ship. Another retarded thing was that you couldn't even make a green / blue-green colored Klingon warship like what's been done since the TMP movies and onwards.
And those fools talked about putting in the Dominion and Romulans as playable factions? Looking at what they've been doing (or more importantly, NOT been doing) for the Klingons, they've dared to even bring this up? Hahaha!
PvP... PvP was the one thing I did alot of in STO and I felt I was pretty good (playing as Fed or KDF). But it was sick and tiring to play on usually only 1 out of 2 maps. There were others, but for some reason(s) or another, PvP took place on only 2 of them.
So... let me go outside my long rant about the Klingon "experience."
Let's talk about Exclusive items from preorders, special editions, and even editions from different stores. What does Cryptic do within 2 months? Whores out all these exclusives, these incentive purchases, for sale on the C-Store.
Then there's the awful Galaxy-X situation. This came up just after me leaving this travesty of a game. The Galaxy-X was touted as a reward for players that got 5 referrals to sign up for this train wreck. What this meant was some desperate individuals bought 5 more accounts just to get that ship. Or, if the guy somehow managed to sucker in 5 people to play, then he got the Galaxy-X.
But what does Cryptic do? Waited a little bit and then put the Galaxy-X for sale for anyone to purchase in the C-Store.
Speaking of C-Store, that became a more sore point for me the longer I played that game. You see, there's absolutely no denying how shallow and woefully incomplete STO is. But Cryptic being the greedy b*stards that they are, gleefully lines up the C-Store with as much as they can. Nevermind that the game is still shallow as hell in every possible way. But they put in alot of stuff in the C-Store. I mean, *alot*. If there is one thing Cryptic is good at is lining up the C-Store.
Oh, it's also wondeful of those sheisty fellas at Cryptic to not only have a C-Store, but they charge a subscription fee to play the d*mn game. These b*stards are double dipping in every possible, negative way in both F2P AND Subscription pay plans.
But the last thing I want to say is that I wish.. I really wish that this game just fails and disappears. Just in the faint glimmer of hope someone else can do a Star Trek MMORPG and bring that ST experience a bunch of us hoped for when we first got into STO. But we're not. Not anytime soon because STO will continue to linger in the background, and nobody else in all likely intents and purposes can get that shot. Not while STO is around. And when they do get that shot however years later it may be, then there's the years of development time once they do get the green light to even start working.
*sigh*
And that's enough for now. There's more I'd like to negatively say about Cryptic and how they're handling STO and the famed "Star Trek" license. But as a longtime Star Trek fan, this game failed to deliver in practically every way that mattered.
CONS: Worst user interface in a PC game since 1998; every aspect of game unnecessarily convoluted; feels like a free-to-play MMO in the very worst way.
PROS: Not quite Star Trek Online bad.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
People are hard on STO because Cryptic knew that it takes at least 3 years to make a MMO and they released in in half that time. And MMOs never get a second chance after something like that. Vanguard is actually a fine game but it have very few players because of the crappy launch.
Cryptic knew that a Star trek MMO would sell a lot even if it were really bad so they released some half finished junk and many players refuse to play games like that so they don't encourage other companies to do the same.
And I just picked this up on Amazon digital download for $2.50 with 30 days game time.... am I a glutton for punishment or what? I beta'd sto but never ordered for obvious reasons. I've bad mouthed this game and Cryptic in general as much as anyone. I just love Star Trek so for $2.50 I figured what the hell while I wait for DCUO and Rift to launch. Anyone know when the player created content is supposed to hit the live server for STO?
And I just picked this up on Amazon digital download for $2.50 with 30 days game time.... am I a glutton for punishment or what? I beta'd sto but never ordered for obvious reasons. I've bad mouthed this game and Cryptic in general as much as anyone. I just love Star Trek so for $2.50 I figured what the hell while I wait for DCUO and Rift to launch. Anyone know when the player created content is supposed to hit the live server for STO?
Exactly what I thought, so I went ahead and purchased the game from Amazon also. You know for 2.50 I figure it's a really cheap way to finally try the game.
Warmaker summed it up nicely, and ROFL at the Gamespy review summary of FFXIV. I would add: when pointing out to the devs all the game's shortcomings, being told that "we just don't get it" REALLY bumped up my hate meter for this company and title.
People are hard on STO because it deserves it. How a company can take an IP with 40+ years of source material to work with and come up with such a shallow abortion of a MMO is mind-boggling.
Where STO is now is where it should have been when it launched. Yes, I am sure that everyone who picks it up at the discounted price and plays the first few weeks will think that STO is the Cat's Meow and jump right on the forums and enlighten everyone on how wrong the nay sayers have been and how those people who played since Beta must be playing a different game than the one they just bought for $2.50 since there is so much content and so much stuff to buy in the C-Store that those old player haters can't be playing the same game as them, but then again, maybe they are playing the same game but they Just Don't Get It.
While I can't fault the OP, I would recommend he return to the nice safe environment that is the rose colored STO forums , where ne'er a bad word about the game is spoken, truthfully. With a population of approximately 50 k give or take , more likely take, I'd say as a viable MMO. It's on the brink.
Cryptic needed to learn a lesson , I hope it did . The failure of STO will definitely re-inforce it. Prehaps the end of Atari will be the saving blow for ST ip as an MMO? Time will tell. Taking CO or CoX and reskinning it does not constitue a ST based MMO.
And I just picked this up on Amazon digital download for $2.50 with 30 days game time.... am I a glutton for punishment or what? I beta'd sto but never ordered for obvious reasons. I've bad mouthed this game and Cryptic in general as much as anyone. I just love Star Trek so for $2.50 I figured what the hell while I wait for DCUO and Rift to launch. Anyone know when the player created content is supposed to hit the live server for STO?
Exactly what I thought, so I went ahead and purchased the game from Amazon also. You know for 2.50 I figure it's a really cheap way to finally try the game.
Hey, how did you get your angry smile to animate? I uploaded that very same avatar a few weeks ago and it wouldn't work and the site engineer said that it wouldn't work on this site.
Your boring me bud, why are you even on this site if you do not care about ratings? Why arent you playing one of the older mmorpgs on the bottom then if it doesnt matter? I find that most of the time ratings do matter when it comes to mmorpgs it can easily tell you allot.
why are you on this site talking about a year old game that most everyone has written off as a failure months ago? Other than to start a flame ware that is.
While I can't fault the OP, I would recommend he return to the nice safe environment that is the rose colored STO forums , where ne'er a bad word about the game is spoken, truthfully. With a population of approximately 50 k give or take , more likely take, I'd say as a viable MMO. It's on the brink.
Cryptic needed to learn a lesson , I hope it did . The failure of STO will definitely re-inforce it. Prehaps the end of Atari will be the saving blow for ST ip as an MMO? Time will tell. Taking CO or CoX and reskinning it does not constitue a ST based MMO.
I wonder if they'll start spewing the same crap that "We're a new cryptic" and "We learned our lesson" if they survive long enough to see nwn make it to market. Pray for vaporware.
I think the issue is that the game doesn't capture what some people feel it should capture from the Star Trek universe.
It's essentially not what they wanted. Instead of the universe of star trek it's more like a lot of star trek vignettes, for some it doesn't capture what they wanted of being on a ship, for others I think they find the land part a bit shallow as they are very concentrated bits of story.
I think a good many star trek fans just wanted a different game/universe.
That pretty much sums it up. If the game would have been called Space Shooter online then it would be an OK MMORPG.
Warmaker summed it up nicely, and ROFL at the Gamespy review summary of FFXIV. I would add: when pointing out to the devs all the game's shortcomings, being told that "we just don't get it" REALLY bumped up my hate meter for this company and title.
People are hard on STO because it deserves it. How a company can take an IP with 40+ years of source material to work with and come up with such a shallow abortion of a MMO is mind-boggling.
i totally agree
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So what do you mean by eve doing more?
I am the only person that matters when deciding whether to spend my hard earned money on a game or not. To say that I haven't even tried it sounds a bit like I don't even know the game, I beta tested through open and closed beta and unlike many of the other people who no longer see this game as a viable way to spend time or money I played for about three months after launch. I also came back for the welcome back weekend so when they update the game it doesn't take rocket science for me to figure out whether or not the changes made are good enough to provide me with the type of enjoyment I expect from a game with a monthly subcription fee.
Originally posted by Angelbound
"Thank you that is all I was trying to say, there really is not much better out right now but this game needs to be more highly rated, to me the grind is no differant then cox, just as repetitive but atleast there is 2 forms of combat in sto."
What does it matter what the game is "rated" by anyone if you like it enjoy it, if others don't like it let them have their opinion as well. How does what others think of this game effect how it entertains you? The only point I have and will continue to make is if you are trying to start some big "the game is better than when you last played it" campaign on behalf of STO don't waste your time, I'll bet eighty percent of the responders to your post so far have had nothing nice to say about the game they simply don't,won't, and can't like the game.
Your argument is like trying to convince someone who wants a sports car why they should buy the station wagon instead. I'm not debating if STO is a good game for you or for a certain segment of people viable to keep the game in development mode, I'm simply suggesting that I'm not one of them and I think alot of people that have answered your post feel the same way.
Honestly if you feel so strongly why not go start a free to play campaign over there on the Cryptic boards, the one thing I can tell you is most of the people you came appealing to wouldn't put much time in this game any other way.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
This reminds me of the argument people use when discussing swg, post nge. There may have been tweaks here and there, some bugs and stability issues may have been sorted out, but the core gameplay remains the same. Therein lies the problem. The core game. Apart from the space combat, I didn't find any part of game to be fun, esp. the ground combat, which was essentially a Star Trek skinned Champions Online. So, if anything from the core game has changed, then maybe it might not be as bad as I remember it. If not, then theres no point in anyone going back or changing their minds about the game.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
That's really the biggest issue with STO and why I can say with such certainty that this game is not worth my money, it does everything average or below.
I liked space combat myself but as you said ground combat was simply atrocious (just like I thought of champions before playing STO). I found it so bad in fact that I basically found myself wondering why they didn't just forgo everything external as the space part of the game (excluding the ridiculous maps) is the only thing that visually stands up to the Star Trek ip as I see it.
Maybe I'm the only one but it certainly doesn't help when a game that does everything so average is also lazy in design as not to have specified roles for bridge members, which further adds to the sense that this game simply has no soul whatsoever.
I could go on for days but the best way I can probably put it is if I recognize it as the STO that I played then it won't be up to par.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Your boring me bud, why are you even on this site if you do not care about ratings? Why arent you playing one of the older mmorpgs on the bottom then if it doesnt matter? I find that most of the time ratings do matter when it comes to mmorpgs it can easily tell you allot.
Think the better question is why are you on this site. Stop peddeling games that are worthless. You are not winning anybody over with it.
The only thing you have demonstrated in this thread is you have a piss poor taste in games. Not really something you should throw little tantrums at the rest of us for.
Ratings don't...and do matter. They don't natter when its from a single source, like one website or reviewer. It does start to matter when you start looking at ratings from multiple sources, both from critics and players. I look at various sources, from forums to gaming websites, before deciding whether or not something is worth my time. If its a game thats getting mixed reviews and I was interested in it beforehand, then I'll most likely check it out. If its getting blasted from all sides, then I'll most likely stay away (or wait for a free trial at the most). Thats the case with ST:O. It was pretty much universally panned everywhere, and rightfully so, which means most people are going to steer clear, regardless of whether or not there have been improvements to the game.
Just as a side note, you seem to be contradicting yourself with your statement above. You claim that people are being too hard on ST:O with their reviews and critiques and that ST:O is a better game than the ratings would suggest but then you say that "I find that most of the time ratings do matter when it comes to mmorpgs it can easily tell you allot." You confuse me.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Nothing confusing about it.
He is saying that ratings should be trusted because they matter a lot. Since he doesn't agree with this sites rating of STO, it should be changed.
Perhaps I should put it a different way. Im not attacking the fact that STO has kill and gathering missions. You are right, MMO's do have those and will probably always have those.
What I am addressing is that the kill 5 scan 5 are the exact same ones since launch. No thought or effort has been put into making them better or sprucing them up a bit so they at least seem less tedious as you do the same map over and over and over and over. Im hoping that Cryptic revamps the exploration missions.. which has been hinted at. So time will tell.
You know nothing about my taste in games, and as far as ratings go I meant more recent reviews on sto, of course when many reviewers all together are saying its bad it probably and usually is, for example if you say the game is to buggy then you really did experience allot of bugs then it really is buggy but if you go off and say I do not like this game because it was not realistic enough that is just an opinion.
I meant ratings matter to an extent I should have reworded that, if youd like I can name plenty of games I have beaten and enjoyed I am actually a gamer not just a mmo player, in otherwrods get off your high horse before you break your neck.
Well I see what you mean now I feel the same way about cox honestly and am starting to see what your saying now, I was confused in what you meant and now a little more skeptical of sto.
People have been hard on STO because that's exactly what it deserves.
I was there for launch and stuck around for 2-3 months. The game's shallow and lacks much of anything to do. Ground combat's atrocious. It got even worse if you PvP with ground maps.
I also signed up to play as a member of the Klingon Empire. Funny thing is that you had to play as a Fed first. Then once you got into the KDF gameplay, it's so stripped down compared to the Federation gaming experience (which isn't much to begin with, BTW). You had 1.5 zones of play. PvE gameplay in STO is pretty dull, but PvE as a Klingon was like running my balls repeatedly over a cheese grater. It sucks. Not to mention those idiots at Cryptic didn't allow the ground scanners / tricorder equivalents for the KDF to even work.
Klingon ship lineup is quite limited. Not much to begin with in regular canon Star Trek, but that didn't stop previous Star Trek games from developing new, full ship lineups for groups like the Klingons and Romulans. I also thought it funny that once you gained higher ranks, the signature ship of the KDF is a Carrier. A Carrier? Never noticed the Klingons proudly crewing starfighter carriers in Star Trek shows and movies. Not to mention reading about Cryptic catering to the Federation and giving the Feds qualities that were signatures to the Klingons.
Speaking of the Feds, that was another thing I got sick and tired of... the constant catering of Cryptic towards the Federation.
They made promises to really start fleshing out the Klingons soon after going live. 45 day patch anyone? Yeah, that did alot for the KDF. Patch after patch, more was being thrown to the Feds.
At the beginning, there were a bunch of KDF players and player fleets. But before I left, all that disentegrated. It became obvious Cryptic didn't really want to work on the Klingons. The lame, copout, lazy excuses started coming out that the Klingons were only meant for "Monster Play." I hear they're grudgingly doing a thing or two for the KDF, but it's too little too late. You think I want to come back to a miserable game like that? Those bastards were blatantly clear they didn't like the KDF. They didn't resolve our issues, didn't give two s**ts about some well put together suggestion threads that included images, links, canon information to inspire new things for the Klingons. Hell, I myself put together a couple threads showing uniforms from the TV shows & movies for the Klingons as well as corrections to the Klingon ship models and coloring (Klingons don't fly a grey colored fleet anymore, that was TOS/TMP era). I showed ships for the Klingons from other Star Trek games, using it as a possible source of inspiration how other developers fleshed out the ship lineups.
And relating to the last note was the sore lack of customization with your uniforms and ships as a member of the KDF. To put it bluntly, you couldn't do much customization. Ships? None at all really. Cryptic insults you by giving you the option to customize your parts and color scheme. But in reality, there weren't any parts to mess around with for your ship, nor could you really even change the color scheme of your ship. Another retarded thing was that you couldn't even make a green / blue-green colored Klingon warship like what's been done since the TMP movies and onwards.
And those fools talked about putting in the Dominion and Romulans as playable factions? Looking at what they've been doing (or more importantly, NOT been doing) for the Klingons, they've dared to even bring this up? Hahaha!
PvP... PvP was the one thing I did alot of in STO and I felt I was pretty good (playing as Fed or KDF). But it was sick and tiring to play on usually only 1 out of 2 maps. There were others, but for some reason(s) or another, PvP took place on only 2 of them.
So... let me go outside my long rant about the Klingon "experience."
Let's talk about Exclusive items from preorders, special editions, and even editions from different stores. What does Cryptic do within 2 months? Whores out all these exclusives, these incentive purchases, for sale on the C-Store.
Then there's the awful Galaxy-X situation. This came up just after me leaving this travesty of a game. The Galaxy-X was touted as a reward for players that got 5 referrals to sign up for this train wreck. What this meant was some desperate individuals bought 5 more accounts just to get that ship. Or, if the guy somehow managed to sucker in 5 people to play, then he got the Galaxy-X.
But what does Cryptic do? Waited a little bit and then put the Galaxy-X for sale for anyone to purchase in the C-Store.
Speaking of C-Store, that became a more sore point for me the longer I played that game. You see, there's absolutely no denying how shallow and woefully incomplete STO is. But Cryptic being the greedy b*stards that they are, gleefully lines up the C-Store with as much as they can. Nevermind that the game is still shallow as hell in every possible way. But they put in alot of stuff in the C-Store. I mean, *alot*. If there is one thing Cryptic is good at is lining up the C-Store.
Oh, it's also wondeful of those sheisty fellas at Cryptic to not only have a C-Store, but they charge a subscription fee to play the d*mn game. These b*stards are double dipping in every possible, negative way in both F2P AND Subscription pay plans.
But the last thing I want to say is that I wish.. I really wish that this game just fails and disappears. Just in the faint glimmer of hope someone else can do a Star Trek MMORPG and bring that ST experience a bunch of us hoped for when we first got into STO. But we're not. Not anytime soon because STO will continue to linger in the background, and nobody else in all likely intents and purposes can get that shot. Not while STO is around. And when they do get that shot however years later it may be, then there's the years of development time once they do get the green light to even start working.
*sigh*
And that's enough for now. There's more I'd like to negatively say about Cryptic and how they're handling STO and the famed "Star Trek" license. But as a longtime Star Trek fan, this game failed to deliver in practically every way that mattered.
I will leave with this quote from Gamespy's review of a different MMORPG, FF XIV.
CONS: Worst user interface in a PC game since 1998; every aspect of game unnecessarily convoluted; feels like a free-to-play MMO in the very worst way.
PROS: Not quite Star Trek Online bad.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
People are hard on STO because Cryptic knew that it takes at least 3 years to make a MMO and they released in in half that time. And MMOs never get a second chance after something like that. Vanguard is actually a fine game but it have very few players because of the crappy launch.
Cryptic knew that a Star trek MMO would sell a lot even if it were really bad so they released some half finished junk and many players refuse to play games like that so they don't encourage other companies to do the same.
And I just picked this up on Amazon digital download for $2.50 with 30 days game time.... am I a glutton for punishment or what? I beta'd sto but never ordered for obvious reasons. I've bad mouthed this game and Cryptic in general as much as anyone. I just love Star Trek so for $2.50 I figured what the hell while I wait for DCUO and Rift to launch. Anyone know when the player created content is supposed to hit the live server for STO?
Exactly what I thought, so I went ahead and purchased the game from Amazon also. You know for 2.50 I figure it's a really cheap way to finally try the game.
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Warmaker summed it up nicely, and ROFL at the Gamespy review summary of FFXIV. I would add: when pointing out to the devs all the game's shortcomings, being told that "we just don't get it" REALLY bumped up my hate meter for this company and title.
People are hard on STO because it deserves it. How a company can take an IP with 40+ years of source material to work with and come up with such a shallow abortion of a MMO is mind-boggling.
Where STO is now is where it should have been when it launched. Yes, I am sure that everyone who picks it up at the discounted price and plays the first few weeks will think that STO is the Cat's Meow and jump right on the forums and enlighten everyone on how wrong the nay sayers have been and how those people who played since Beta must be playing a different game than the one they just bought for $2.50 since there is so much content and so much stuff to buy in the C-Store that those old player haters can't be playing the same game as them, but then again, maybe they are playing the same game but they Just Don't Get It.
considering you can get to the level cap in 3 weeks. 2.99 for a months worth of play is a great deal if you not played it.
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While I can't fault the OP, I would recommend he return to the nice safe environment that is the rose colored STO forums , where ne'er a bad word about the game is spoken, truthfully. With a population of approximately 50 k give or take , more likely take, I'd say as a viable MMO. It's on the brink.
Cryptic needed to learn a lesson , I hope it did . The failure of STO will definitely re-inforce it. Prehaps the end of Atari will be the saving blow for ST ip as an MMO? Time will tell. Taking CO or CoX and reskinning it does not constitue a ST based MMO.
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awesome link ag-vuk! so thats where the recent influx (was it 3 or so?) of sto supporters came from. i notice they are all lts as well,, ROFLCOPTER!
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
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why are you on this site talking about a year old game that most everyone has written off as a failure months ago? Other than to start a flame ware that is.
I wonder if they'll start spewing the same crap that "We're a new cryptic" and "We learned our lesson" if they survive long enough to see nwn make it to market. Pray for vaporware.
That pretty much sums it up. If the game would have been called Space Shooter online then it would be an OK MMORPG.
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i totally agree
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