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  • Grant57Grant57 Member Posts: 17

    Originally posted by Raizeen

    Originally posted by parrotpholk


    Originally posted by Zolgar


    Originally posted by parrotpholk

    I hope the guy does prison time. There is zero justification for this.  To hold someones information just so he gets slightly better customer service is stupid.  Are there not greater issues in the world? Yes I believe there is  Douche baggery at its best.  I hope he likes big boys named bubba.

    It's doubtful he(she)'ll get caught.

    I have zero doubt they will be caught.  If they are willing to do something this stupid over something as petty as this then they will try again to get their way in something else.  But then I am somewhat hardcore in the way I view the criminal population.

    People hack goverment shit all the time and never get caught. What makes you think some gaming company will do any better? Nothing like the rage of some mmorpg geeks right? <@:)

    Because interfering with corperate profits is one of the few crimes the police actually care about stopping?

  • sungodrasungodra Member Posts: 1,376

    Originally posted by Grant57

    Originally posted by Raizeen


    Originally posted by parrotpholk


    Originally posted by Zolgar


    Originally posted by parrotpholk

    I hope the guy does prison time. There is zero justification for this.  To hold someones information just so he gets slightly better customer service is stupid.  Are there not greater issues in the world? Yes I believe there is  Douche baggery at its best.  I hope he likes big boys named bubba.

    It's doubtful he(she)'ll get caught.

    I have zero doubt they will be caught.  If they are willing to do something this stupid over something as petty as this then they will try again to get their way in something else.  But then I am somewhat hardcore in the way I view the criminal population.

    People hack goverment shit all the time and never get caught. What makes you think some gaming company will do any better? Nothing like the rage of some mmorpg geeks right? <@:)

    Because interfering with corperate profits is one of the few crimes the police actually care about stopping?

     I hope your joking, this country is all about corporate profits.. I think this happened in germany, but I am sure the same mind setting is there aswell.

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  • reb007reb007 Member UncommonPosts: 613

    A couple questions for those who support this hacker's actions:

     

    1) Is it acceptable behavior to steal an innocent person's private information (commit identity theft)?

    2) Is it acceptable behavior to release an innocent person's private information to the public?

    3) Would you still support this hacker's actions if the hacker posted your username and password on a public forum?

  • King_KumquatKing_Kumquat Member Posts: 492

    Originally posted by gigat

    A couple questions for those who support this hacker's actions:

     

    1) Is it acceptable behavior to steal an innocent person's private information (commit identity theft)?

    2) Is it acceptable behavior to release an innocent person's private information to the public?

    3) Would you still support this hacker's actions if the hacker posted your username and password on a public forum?

    The King shall entertain these questions;

    Firstly, it is if you are a member of the government or a large corporation. I am also going to assume many sports stars and Hollywood celebrities could probably get away with it.

    Secondly, by the sheer measure of it- just taking information and holding it indefinite with a promise not to share it would make your initial threat moot. Idle threats are much more annoying than real ones. 

    Thirdly, yes. Would it not be wise to get on his side? It's not like your life will be in danger, also anyone with any sense would just go to their credit card company or bank and have the identifiable information changed and nullified before anyone could render any action. For the greater good or evil; because that's the proper course of action.

    Mostly I muse even if the threat is real; or if it's not just an attention grabber of one type or another.

    This bores the King, he shall read real news for awhile.


    Will develop an original MMORPG title for money.
  • reb007reb007 Member UncommonPosts: 613

    Originally posted by King_Kumquat

    Originally posted by gigat

    A couple questions for those who support this hacker's actions:

     

    1) Is it acceptable behavior to steal an innocent person's private information (commit identity theft)?

    2) Is it acceptable behavior to release an innocent person's private information to the public?

    3) Would you still support this hacker's actions if the hacker posted your username and password on a public forum?

    The King shall entertain these questions;

    Firstly, it is if you are a member of the government or a large corporation. I am also going to assume many sports stars and Hollywood celebrities could probably get away with it.

    Secondly, by the sheer measure of it- just taking information and holding it indefinite with a promise not to share it would make your initial threat moot. Idle threats are much more annoying than real ones. 

    Thirdly, yes. Would it not be wise to get on his side? It's not like your life will be in danger, also anyone with any sense would just go to their credit card company or bank and have the identifiable information changed and nullified before anyone could render any action. For the greater good or evil; because that's the proper course of action.

    Mostly I muse even if the threat is real; or if it's not just an attention grabber of one type or another.

    This bores the King, he shall read real news for awhile.

    lol. You should do stand-up comedy.

    1) I will agree that people with money or power are more likely to get away with crimes. But it doesn't make it acceptable.

    2) You avoided the question. I didn't ask if it was acceptable to threaten the release of private information.

    3) That is pure cowardice. No, I don't think it is wise to side with a criminal.

    You are correct, anyone with any sense would notify their credit card company or bank in such a situation. What does that have anything to do with condoning the actions of a criminal? Regardless of how easy or difficult it is to resolve the situation, it doesn't change the fact that the hacker committed a crime.

  • testmylucktestmyluck Member Posts: 91

    I like how whenever this story comes up people spend the entire time bitching back and forth as to if the guy is going to get caught or not or if it's a justifiable course of action, rather than talking about the more obvious and important factor, that being that Frogsters account security apparently sucks ass.

  • reb007reb007 Member UncommonPosts: 613

    Originally posted by testmyluck

    I like how whenever this story comes up people spend the entire time bitching back and forth as to if the guy is going to get caught or not or if it's a justifiable course of action, rather than talking about the more obvious and important factor, that being that Frogsters account security apparently sucks ass.

    True enough.

    However, I find it absurd that anyone would support identity theft, regardless of how terrible a company's security may be.

     

    The comment that the hacker is a mordern-day Robin Hood is where a lot of the arguing comes from.

  • VryheidVryheid Member UncommonPosts: 469


    Originally posted by testmyluck
    I like how whenever this story comes up people spend the entire time bitching back and forth as to if the guy is going to get caught or not or if it's a justifiable course of action, rather than talking about the more obvious and important factor, that being that Frogsters account security apparently sucks ass.

    Your "factor" is totally irrelevant, considering this password leak happened back in 2007 before some major security updates for the site.

  • King_KumquatKing_Kumquat Member Posts: 492

    Originally posted by gigat

    Originally posted by King_Kumquat


    Originally posted by gigat

    A couple questions for those who support this hacker's actions:

     

    1) Is it acceptable behavior to steal an innocent person's private information (commit identity theft)?

    2) Is it acceptable behavior to release an innocent person's private information to the public?

    3) Would you still support this hacker's actions if the hacker posted your username and password on a public forum?

    The King shall entertain these questions;

    Firstly, it is if you are a member of the government or a large corporation. I am also going to assume many sports stars and Hollywood celebrities could probably get away with it.

    Secondly, by the sheer measure of it- just taking information and holding it indefinite with a promise not to share it would make your initial threat moot. Idle threats are much more annoying than real ones. 

    Thirdly, yes. Would it not be wise to get on his side? It's not like your life will be in danger, also anyone with any sense would just go to their credit card company or bank and have the identifiable information changed and nullified before anyone could render any action. For the greater good or evil; because that's the proper course of action.

    Mostly I muse even if the threat is real; or if it's not just an attention grabber of one type or another.

    This bores the King, he shall read real news for awhile.

    lol. You should do stand-up comedy.

    1) I will agree that people with money or power are more likely to get away with crimes. But it doesn't make it acceptable.

    2) You avoided the question. I didn't ask if it was acceptable to threaten the release of private information.

    3) That is pure cowardice. No, I don't think it is wise to side with a criminal.

    You are correct, anyone with any sense would notify their credit card company or bank in such a situation. What does that have anything to do with condoning the actions of a criminal? Regardless of how easy or difficult it is to resolve the situation, it doesn't change the fact that the hacker committed a crime.

    The King has got that request a few times, one day there shall be a royal comedy show starring... Someone famous.

    But over all, if it is or isn't a crime; 

    I shall use an analogy for lack of a proper explanation.

    Is it a crime if someone steals my car? Yes of course. But what if I left my keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked whilst the King frolicked in Toys R Us looking for rare Dragon Ball Z action figures (they're not dolls)? 

    My point is, despite it being a crime, there's a high % of responsibility for the entire issue shared across many shoulders. Not just the hackers. So he can be lauded as a hero, while the true villains in this scandal be the lax and ineffective security team who was entrusted with guarding this information in the first place.

    The King, if he had to render judgement, would probably have a gallows constructed for twenty unfortunate souls who failed in this case.


    Will develop an original MMORPG title for money.
  • VyethVyeth Member UncommonPosts: 1,461

    While at first glance this would appear to be "John Q" like story, it falls short and comes out moronic because the cons far outweigh the pros.. He's looking at a gang of criminal charges once he's pinpointed and found. All for what? ....

     

    Exactly..

  • XtremeSoljaXtremeSolja Member Posts: 6

    This guy is awesome and i completely agree with what hes doing for the most part... damn if only he did it to Blizzard!!!!

  • ScribZScribZ Member Posts: 424

    Ya know, looks like well lets just ask this one shall we...who has the most to risk here, him? If he releases the data, isn't it the players of RoM who have the most to lose, is he going to have his account info leaked to the public? And he can just roll back under his carpet if he wants at any time, nothing risked there. Sure he is making a name for himself by doing this, but isn't that the entire point? Its another wikileaks again, one person playing god with the information about other people, with no care what happens to those in the database. They are just pawns in the bigger scheme, to make himself famous.

    Yeah I know thats the unpopular side to take, but really if he wanted to fix thier securtiy he could have contacted them and worked with them to fix the issues. Gotten himself a nice cooshie job as a security consultant and made a real name for himself in the industry, not on headline news. And then the customers info wouldn't be the bait or at risk.

  • reb007reb007 Member UncommonPosts: 613

    Originally posted by King_Kumquat

    Originally posted by gigat


    Originally posted by King_Kumquat


    Originally posted by gigat

    A couple questions for those who support this hacker's actions:

     

    1) Is it acceptable behavior to steal an innocent person's private information (commit identity theft)?

    2) Is it acceptable behavior to release an innocent person's private information to the public?

    3) Would you still support this hacker's actions if the hacker posted your username and password on a public forum?

    The King shall entertain these questions;

    Firstly, it is if you are a member of the government or a large corporation. I am also going to assume many sports stars and Hollywood celebrities could probably get away with it.

    Secondly, by the sheer measure of it- just taking information and holding it indefinite with a promise not to share it would make your initial threat moot. Idle threats are much more annoying than real ones. 

    Thirdly, yes. Would it not be wise to get on his side? It's not like your life will be in danger, also anyone with any sense would just go to their credit card company or bank and have the identifiable information changed and nullified before anyone could render any action. For the greater good or evil; because that's the proper course of action.

    Mostly I muse even if the threat is real; or if it's not just an attention grabber of one type or another.

    This bores the King, he shall read real news for awhile.

    lol. You should do stand-up comedy.

    1) I will agree that people with money or power are more likely to get away with crimes. But it doesn't make it acceptable.

    2) You avoided the question. I didn't ask if it was acceptable to threaten the release of private information.

    3) That is pure cowardice. No, I don't think it is wise to side with a criminal.

    You are correct, anyone with any sense would notify their credit card company or bank in such a situation. What does that have anything to do with condoning the actions of a criminal? Regardless of how easy or difficult it is to resolve the situation, it doesn't change the fact that the hacker committed a crime.

    The King has got that request a few times, one day there shall be a royal comedy show starring... Someone famous.

    But over all, if it is or isn't a crime; 

    I shall use an analogy for lack of a proper explanation.

    Is it a crime if someone steals my car? Yes of course. But what if I left my keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked whilst the King frolicked in Toys R Us looking for rare Dragon Ball Z action figures (they're not dolls)? 

    My point is, despite it being a crime, there's a high % of responsibility for the entire issue shared across many shoulders. Not just the hackers. So he can be lauded as a hero, while the true villains in this scandal be the lax and ineffective security team who was entrusted with guarding this information in the first place.

    The King, if he had to render judgement, would probably have a gallows constructed for twenty unfortunate souls who failed in this case.

    Just because one party makes it easy to commit a crime, does not mean committing the crime is acceptable. It's still a crime. Would you kill someone because they won't fight back?

     

    If the ineffective security team are the true villains, then why punish the innocent users? To truly be lauded as a hero, the hacker would have to cause harm to the villainous company, while giving benefits to the users. Rather, this hacker has compromised the security and safety of innocent people, using that act as leverage for getting his way.

    The hacker is being selfish, in every sense of the word. There is no heroism in blackmail, extortion, and harming innocent people.

  • Lille7Lille7 Member Posts: 301

    Originally posted by gigat

    A couple questions for those who support this hacker's actions:

     

    1) Is it acceptable behavior to steal an innocent person's private information (commit identity theft)?

    2) Is it acceptable behavior to release an innocent person's private information to the public?

    3) Would you still support this hacker's actions if the hacker posted your username and password on a public forum?

     As far as im aware the info i keep on my account page for MMOs (not sure if it's the same for RoM though) is information that is available in the phonebook and elsewhere online. This information being my name, adress and date of birth. Now i don't go posting this information everywhere, but still it's available.

    Now if this guy goes and releases creditcard information, thats crossing the line.

    I change my passwords on a regular basis, so this is unlikely to be an issue for me.

  • King_KumquatKing_Kumquat Member Posts: 492

    Originally posted by gigat

    Originally posted by King_Kumquat


    Originally posted by gigat


    Originally posted by King_Kumquat


    Originally posted by gigat

    A couple questions for those who support this hacker's actions:

     

    1) Is it acceptable behavior to steal an innocent person's private information (commit identity theft)?

    2) Is it acceptable behavior to release an innocent person's private information to the public?

    3) Would you still support this hacker's actions if the hacker posted your username and password on a public forum?

    The King shall entertain these questions;

    Firstly, it is if you are a member of the government or a large corporation. I am also going to assume many sports stars and Hollywood celebrities could probably get away with it.

    Secondly, by the sheer measure of it- just taking information and holding it indefinite with a promise not to share it would make your initial threat moot. Idle threats are much more annoying than real ones. 

    Thirdly, yes. Would it not be wise to get on his side? It's not like your life will be in danger, also anyone with any sense would just go to their credit card company or bank and have the identifiable information changed and nullified before anyone could render any action. For the greater good or evil; because that's the proper course of action.

    Mostly I muse even if the threat is real; or if it's not just an attention grabber of one type or another.

    This bores the King, he shall read real news for awhile.

    lol. You should do stand-up comedy.

    1) I will agree that people with money or power are more likely to get away with crimes. But it doesn't make it acceptable.

    2) You avoided the question. I didn't ask if it was acceptable to threaten the release of private information.

    3) That is pure cowardice. No, I don't think it is wise to side with a criminal.

    You are correct, anyone with any sense would notify their credit card company or bank in such a situation. What does that have anything to do with condoning the actions of a criminal? Regardless of how easy or difficult it is to resolve the situation, it doesn't change the fact that the hacker committed a crime.

    The King has got that request a few times, one day there shall be a royal comedy show starring... Someone famous.

    But over all, if it is or isn't a crime; 

    I shall use an analogy for lack of a proper explanation.

    Is it a crime if someone steals my car? Yes of course. But what if I left my keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked whilst the King frolicked in Toys R Us looking for rare Dragon Ball Z action figures (they're not dolls)? 

    My point is, despite it being a crime, there's a high % of responsibility for the entire issue shared across many shoulders. Not just the hackers. So he can be lauded as a hero, while the true villains in this scandal be the lax and ineffective security team who was entrusted with guarding this information in the first place.

    The King, if he had to render judgement, would probably have a gallows constructed for twenty unfortunate souls who failed in this case.

    Just because one party makes it easy to commit a crime, does not mean committing the crime is acceptable. It's still a crime. Would you kill someone because they won't fight back?

     

    If the ineffective security team are the true villains, then why punish the innocent users? To truly be lauded as a hero, the hacker would have to cause harm to the villainous company, while giving benefits to the users. Rather, this hacker has compromised the security and safety of innocent people, using that act as leverage for getting his way.

    The hacker is being selfish, in every sense of the word. There is no heroism in blackmail, extortion, and harming innocent people.

    Has the hacker used someone's information to buy himself a BMX bike yet?


    Will develop an original MMORPG title for money.
  • tuassudtuassud Member Posts: 22

    Wait... isn't the login information all outdated?

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    Does it really matter? All people have to do is change their password.

    And I assume most have by now.

    Don't know what to put here, honestly.

  • PanDaZmOOPanDaZmOO Member UncommonPosts: 49

    Just give the man what he wants. Better CS.

  • reb007reb007 Member UncommonPosts: 613

    Originally posted by King_Kumquat

    Originally posted by gigat


    snip

    Just because one party makes it easy to commit a crime, does not mean committing the crime is acceptable. It's still a crime. Would you kill someone because they won't fight back?

     

    If the ineffective security team are the true villains, then why punish the innocent users? To truly be lauded as a hero, the hacker would have to cause harm to the villainous company, while giving benefits to the users. Rather, this hacker has compromised the security and safety of innocent people, using that act as leverage for getting his way.

    The hacker is being selfish, in every sense of the word. There is no heroism in blackmail, extortion, and harming innocent people.

    Has the hacker used someone's information to buy himself a BMX bike yet?

    I don't think he's after a BMX bike... he's upset with the service of a company, and he is using intimidation to force the company to operate the way he wants. With or without monetary gain, he has used intimidation to get what he wants. At the risk of compromising innocent people's personal security, no less.

  • King_KumquatKing_Kumquat Member Posts: 492

    Originally posted by gigat

    Originally posted by King_Kumquat


    Originally posted by gigat


    snip

    Just because one party makes it easy to commit a crime, does not mean committing the crime is acceptable. It's still a crime. Would you kill someone because they won't fight back?

     

    If the ineffective security team are the true villains, then why punish the innocent users? To truly be lauded as a hero, the hacker would have to cause harm to the villainous company, while giving benefits to the users. Rather, this hacker has compromised the security and safety of innocent people, using that act as leverage for getting his way.

    The hacker is being selfish, in every sense of the word. There is no heroism in blackmail, extortion, and harming innocent people.

    Has the hacker used someone's information to buy himself a BMX bike yet?

    I don't think he's after a BMX bike... he's upset with the service of a company, and he is using intimidation to force the company to operate the way he wants. With or without monetary gain, he has used intimidation to get what he wants. At the risk of compromising innocent people's personal security, no less.

    Just like Robin of Loxley you could say. If such myths are to be considered. Would you say?


    Will develop an original MMORPG title for money.
  • reb007reb007 Member UncommonPosts: 613

    Originally posted by Lille7

    Originally posted by gigat

    A couple questions for those who support this hacker's actions:

     

    1) Is it acceptable behavior to steal an innocent person's private information (commit identity theft)?

    2) Is it acceptable behavior to release an innocent person's private information to the public?

    3) Would you still support this hacker's actions if the hacker posted your username and password on a public forum?

     As far as im aware the info i keep on my account page for MMOs (not sure if it's the same for RoM though) is information that is available in the phonebook and elsewhere online. This information being my name, adress and date of birth. Now i don't go posting this information everywhere, but still it's available.

    Now if this guy goes and releases creditcard information, thats crossing the line.

    I change my passwords on a regular basis, so this is unlikely to be an issue for me.

    Usernames and passwords are the information the hacker is revealing to the public. Just because you change your password frequently, doesn't mean everyone else does.

     

    What makes it acceptable to release people's passwords to the public? (Disregarding the possibility that the passwords are old and may have been changed)

  • ThorkuneThorkune Member UncommonPosts: 1,969

    I don't care what they do with this game. I quit when they introduced the pointless marriage system. It's a shame too...I was liking it. I might be forced to put up with that "alternative lifestyle" garbage in real life, but I do not have to observe that junk in a game. 

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247

    What the hacker probably doesn't consider is that there are others with the same extreme attachment to the game that he has, and some of them have equal or better resources at their disposal. I don't agree with or condone his actions but, for his sake, I hope he truly understands what he may be bringing upon himself as a result of his actions. Finding his family harmed in some manner the day after he releases that database isn't completely outside the realm of possibility.

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
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  • KualaBDKualaBD Member UncommonPosts: 131

    This guy is no modern day Robin Hood.

     

    Robin Hood was a criminal who stole from the rich to give to the poor.

     

    This guy is a criminal who stole from the rich (RoM company) AND the poor (the customers) to give to other criminals (others who would use the account info to steal accounts and identities).

     

    If he had instead hacked the bank accounts of the RoM owners, siphoned off some funds, and donated it to charities and the homeless THEN I would consider him a modern day Robin Hood.

  • reb007reb007 Member UncommonPosts: 613

    Originally posted by King_Kumquat

    Originally posted by gigat


    Originally posted by King_Kumquat


    Originally posted by gigat


    snip

    Just because one party makes it easy to commit a crime, does not mean committing the crime is acceptable. It's still a crime. Would you kill someone because they won't fight back?

     

    If the ineffective security team are the true villains, then why punish the innocent users? To truly be lauded as a hero, the hacker would have to cause harm to the villainous company, while giving benefits to the users. Rather, this hacker has compromised the security and safety of innocent people, using that act as leverage for getting his way.

    The hacker is being selfish, in every sense of the word. There is no heroism in blackmail, extortion, and harming innocent people.

    Has the hacker used someone's information to buy himself a BMX bike yet?

    I don't think he's after a BMX bike... he's upset with the service of a company, and he is using intimidation to force the company to operate the way he wants. With or without monetary gain, he has used intimidation to get what he wants. At the risk of compromising innocent people's personal security, no less.

    Just like Robin of Loxley you could say. If such myths are to be considered. Would you say?

    Robin Hood is a heroic outlaw in English folklore. A highly skilled archer and swordsman, he is known for "robbing from the rich and giving to the poor," assisted by a group of fellow outlaws known as his "Merry Men." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood

     

    How has the hacker - in any way - given to the poor? He hasn't. In fact, he stole from the poor and is using what he stole as a bargaining chip for his own demands.

    Using his temporary position of power to achieve his own goals, he more closely represents a tyrant.

  • reb007reb007 Member UncommonPosts: 613

    Originally posted by KualaBD

    This guy is no modern day Robin Hood.

     

    Robin Hood was a criminal who stole from the rich to give to the poor.

     

    This guy is a criminal who stole from the rich (RoM company) AND the poor (the customers) to give to other criminals (others who would use the account info to steal accounts and identities).

     

    If he had instead hacked the bank accounts of the RoM owners, siphoned off some funds, and donated it to charities and the homeless THEN I would consider him a modern day Robin Hood.

    Couldn't have said it better myself.

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