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Why has Rift become the new standard for gaming?

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  • SeffrenSeffren Member Posts: 743

    Originally posted by Jason2444

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    AoC is trying to be realistic. Rift is somewhere between Warhammer and AoC. I'd say on par with Aion, but Aion follows the eastern school of character representation.

    Edit: I loved my time in WoW. And I really liked the last few Rift betas. So where does that put me?

    It APPEALS to people who just hate WoW

    What do you mean with this sentence? 

    It appeals to people who hate wow? So what? It prolly also appeals to people who hate tomatoes.

     

     

    Just like the people who kept saying "WoW stands for Waiting on Warhammer"

     

    Yeah, i was part of that crowd. I dug up a youtube comment of me saying "Warhammer will destroy WoW"

     

    And i see even less potential with Rift

    So you admit you used to be a fanboy for another game but was wrong.

    And now you are a hater for this game, but you will be right?! Yeah, makes sense.

     

    Warhammer didn't die because it wasn't polished. It died because it was built on a broken premise called Tiers. The same with Rift. Once everyone hit max level, there won't be any low level Rift groups and new commers will drop the game while veterans slowly realize that it's WoW with a new graphics engine

    Yeah, we will take your infallible word on it.

  • Jason2444Jason2444 Member Posts: 372

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by Jason2444


    Originally posted by Xasapis

    AoC is trying to be realistic. Rift is somewhere between Warhammer and AoC. I'd say on par with Aion, but Aion follows the eastern school of character representation.

    Edit: I loved my time in WoW. And I really liked the last few Rift betas. So where does that put me?

    It APPEALS to people who just hate WoW

    What do you mean with this sentence? 

    It appeals to people who hate wow? So what? It prolly also appeals to people who hate tomatoes.

     

     

    Just like the people who kept saying "WoW stands for Waiting on Warhammer"

     

    Yeah, i was part of that crowd. I dug up a youtube comment of me saying "Warhammer will destroy WoW"

     

    And i see even less potential with Rift

    So you admit you used to be a fanboy for another game but was wrong.

    And now you are a hater for this game, but you will be right?! Yeah, makes sense.

     

    Warhammer didn't die because it wasn't polished. It died because it was built on a broken premise called Tiers. The same with Rift. Once everyone hit max level, there won't be any low level Rift groups and new commers will drop the game while veterans slowly realize that it's WoW with a new graphics engine

    Yeah, we will take your infallible word on it.

    ...WHAT?!?

     

    That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard

     

    It's ad slogan is "Were not in Azeroth anymore"

     

    How does that NOT appeal to WoW-haters, but appeals to people who hate tomatos?

     

    I don't think you even realize what you're saying

     

     

    I don't see potential with Rift, because, unlike WAR, Rift has NO innovations. WAR had seiges and massive RvR. Rift has non of that. All it is, is WoW with a new coat of paint.

     

    Infact it's less than WoW because the quests are even more boring

    MMOs played: WoW, Star Wars Galaxies, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Guild Wars, Planetside, Global Agenda, Star Trek Online, RIFT, Everquest 2, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, EvE online, APB
    Best MMO Companies: Trion Worlds, ArenaNet, CCP
    Worst MMO Companies: Electronic Arts

  • ShredderSEShredderSE Member Posts: 197

    It's very WoWish in many ways and for some reason people like WoW. Maybe thats why people like this? It's like WoW 2.0

  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Member UncommonPosts: 2,433

    Didn't know it was, don't think it is.

    Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!

  • lathaanlathaan Member UncommonPosts: 476

    when will people find out that to make a good game in the mmo genre, you dont have to re-invent the mmo genre? only because you can spell "innovation" that doesn't mean that every good game has to be something completely new! people are just insensitive to good games, because they are flooded with crap. you wouldnt see a good game if it hits you in the face.

    RIFT is WARWoWLotro 2.0 and therefore it will be succesfull. Like a new, better made actionblockbustermovie with better actors than the last 500 actionblockbustermovies will be another success. every summer.

  • watchawatchawatchawatcha Member Posts: 960

    Originally posted by Jason2444

     

    ...WHAT?!?

     

    That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard

     

    It's ad slogan is "Were not in Azeroth anymore"

     

     

    I don't see potential with Rift, because, unlike WAR, Rift has NO innovations. WAR had seiges and massive RvR. Rift has non of that. All it is, is WoW with a new coat of paint.

     

    Infact it's less than WoW because the quests are even more boring

    DAoC had massive RvR and define seiges.  BTW- WARs innovation was the PQ.  That idea from WAR is being used and expanded on in Rift and GW2.

    As for the whole "We're not in Azeroth anymore", you know about the game now right?

    Did you pay any attention to Rift before the ad came out?

    I didn't think so. 

    Best way to market yourself as a competitor is to compare yourself to the leading P2P MMO.  The only problem is that before Rift, no company had the guts to openly do it.  Why?  Because they knew their game wasn't complete.  They were hoping to 'fix' whatever was wrong after launch. 

    Looks like Trion's not doing that.

     

  • nyaricnyaric Member Posts: 12

    Originally posted by dreamscaper

    Originally posted by clankyasp

    when and how did they become the new standard for gaming?

     

    A: It hasn't.

    that's true...

  • BlackUhuruBlackUhuru Member Posts: 770

    Originally posted by Turdinator

    Why? What are they doing that's so special?

    The base is equal (or greater) to the sum of all other released MMORPG's on the market, with the future to be greater then the total of all over time...

    "It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes

  • GrootGroot Member UncommonPosts: 87

    Didn't read the whole thread, but the game is fun, plain and simple.  It's not for everyone.  The pve is fun, the pvp is fun, and the rifts are really neat...every level i'm excited about getting because I become more powerful with my abilities and options for my character.  I'm not comparing it to any specific game, i'm just enjoying every moment I log in.  The friends i've made in the game are great, and I look forward to logging in.  There's always something interesting for me to do, and the leveling is fun for me, solo or grouped.  

     

    The did some nice things with the game, and I can see myself playing this for awhile (at least until GW2 comes out).

     

    Quit taking these games so seriously the MMORPG market is not the same as it was 10 years ago, and it never will be.  Either enjoy the games or quit playing them.  Unfortunately we are not a niche community anymore (MMORPG players) and money talks...no matter how many devs you have wanting to make something like the old days.

  • RiftsoldierRiftsoldier Member Posts: 112

    Originally posted by Turdinator

    Why? What are they doing that's so special?

    Trion has created a game that has very few noticable bugs.

    It also plays on many systems at many different graphics settings without problems.

    There is no lack of features. All the features they talked about are in game and working.

    The game is polished. This means that the in-game systems all work the way they are supposed to for the most part including the mail system, auction system, GUI, character skills, quests, rift systems, mob AI, crafting, and much more.

    Players have been shoveled broken, buggy, non-polished, feature lacking games loaded with bugs at release for a while now and we as a PLAYER BASE are uniting behind a company that gets us and isn't giving us trash to start with.

  • N8terN8ter Member Posts: 5

    I like how everyone but one person ignored a critical point.

    Almost all the failed games recently failed because the system requirements were too high, compared to the successful ones. Graphics are nice and all, but you do not need to force people with perfectly WoW-capable machines (as in Raiding in a 25 man with 25-60 FPS and low latency/graphics lag) to run on borderline unplayable settings from a visual standpoint.

    EverQuest II has this issue. Vanguard has this issue. Age of Conan had this issue. The only recent game that didn't have this issue, is Warhammer Online, but it had its own share of issues (Content, etc.). If Rift plays like EQ2 on WoW-capable machines then it won't set the standard for anything. It will just be living up to the failed standard set by most recent MMORPG games released, and it will only have a marginal playerbase, which will end up shrinking like anything else because every new game tends to shed a factorable amount of players after a few months.

    You know where most of them will go? Screaming back to WoW - something that can run on their OEM machine that can't take a GTX graphics card because it has a factory PSU.

    No one is going to pay $300 to upgrade their system (New Decent PSU, High End GFX Card, and maybe add some RAM to their machine) and then pay a subscription for one MMORPG, when they can play WoW on the same system. They will go out and buy a PS3 or XBOX 360 and Play Halo Reach or something between their raids in WoW, instead.

    MMORPGs are all about gameplay and content. Graphics have only become a focal point since the FPS kiddies have taken over the genre with their PvP obsessions. This game won't be dethroining blizzard, because like everyone else they seem ignorant of where Blizzard gets the majority of their subscriptions, and ignored that player population -- again.

    The hardcore WoW Arena players with the pimped out machines aren't going anywhere, at least not in any factorable numbers - and certainly not so early in a new Expansion.  Same for the hardcore raiders.  The playerbase other developers need to tap into is the casual crowd, and that crowd is littered with people who have OEM machines and handmedown computers.  They're not gonna buy a new one just to start over again in a new game that can very well end up falling flat on its face...

  • vtravivtravi Member UncommonPosts: 400

    Because it is super fun!!

  • N8terN8ter Member Posts: 5

    Being fun is not enough when you're playing with 10 FPS trying to Raid or PvP. WoW is fun too and it gets over 30 FPS on mid-ranged machines with mid-ranged graphics cards (think Dual Core Machines with AMD 4350-class graphics cards).

    I think some of you people need to visit the EQ2 forums to see the frustration this causes...

  • vtravivtravi Member UncommonPosts: 400

    Originally posted by N8ter

    I like how everyone but one person ignored a critical point.

    Almost all the failed games recently failed because the system requirements were too high, compared to the successful ones. Graphics are nice and all, but you do not need to force people with perfectly WoW-capable machines (as in Raiding in a 25 man with 25-60 FPS and low latency/graphics lag) to run on borderline unplayable settings from a visual standpoint.

    EverQuest II has this issue. Vanguard has this issue. Age of Conan had this issue. The only recent game that didn't have this issue, is Warhammer Online, but it had its own share of issues (Content, etc.). If Rift plays like EQ2 on WoW-capable machines then it won't set the standard for anything. It will just be living up to the failed standard set by most recent MMORPG games released, and it will only have a marginal playerbase, which will end up shrinking like anything else because every new game tends to shed a factorable amount of players after a few months.

    You know where most of them will go? Screaming back to WoW - something that can run on their OEM machine that can't take a GTX graphics card because it has a factory PSU.

    No one is going to pay $300 to upgrade their system (New Decent PSU, High End GFX Card, and maybe add some RAM to their machine) and then pay a subscription for one MMORPG, when they can play WoW on the same system. They will go out and buy a PS3 or XBOX 360 and Play Halo Reach or something between their raids in WoW, instead.

    MMORPGs are all about gameplay and content. Graphics have only become a focal point since the FPS kiddies have taken over the genre with their PvP obsessions. This game won't be dethroining blizzard, because like everyone else they seem ignorant of where Blizzard gets the majority of their subscriptions, and ignored that player population -- again.

    The hardcore WoW Arena players with the pimped out machines aren't going anywhere, at least not in any factorable numbers - and certainly not so early in a new Expansion.  Same for the hardcore raiders.  The playerbase other developers need to tap into is the casual crowd, and that crowd is littered with people who have OEM machines and handmedown computers.  They're not gonna buy a new one just to start over again in a new game that can very well end up falling flat on its face...

    I have a six year old PC and have no problem running the game at all. I can run it at Ultra setting, i only get 25fps in beta, but it seems to run very smooth. On low setting i get about 60fps, but i dkn't notice a huge proformance difference, that is true even where there are 50 players on the screen at once during rifts. So just saying you don't have to have a high powered machine to enjoy the game

  • N8terN8ter Member Posts: 5

    Give system specs. That matters, not your opinion. It can be a 2006 $3k Alienware machine for all I know. The issue for most consumers isn't when the system was built, it's the fact that lots of OEM consumer machines can only take X Amount of Max RAM in it, and it can only accomodate X mid-raged graphics card because the factory PSUs are small and oftentimes quite proprietary. Some come with on-board graphics and a PCIe slot, but no PCIe power connector in from the PSU (cause the PSU is small, it's the manufacturers way of saying "don't even think about it").  I know a few people who refuse to butcher their machines to put in bigger PSUs because it requires cutting metal off their computers and changes the way their computer powers on and off. "Just saying..."

    I'm on my last straw with MMORPGs as far as I'm concerned. It's the most expensive Genre of games to play when you factor in hardware upgrades and subscription fees. I'm thinking about just throwing in the towel and going the way of Halo.

    I have friends who are interested in the game but none of us want to be the first ones to pony up $50 just to get in the beta (or even buy it on release) to see how the game performs. I'm going to go ahead and assume we're only a few of many.

    Recent MMORPG games (pretty much any decent P2P game other than WoW and maybe LoTRO) have generally performed terribly unless you went out of you way to upgrade you computer to compensate for it, or had a high end competitive FPS-capable rig to begin with.

    Before I got my newer system, I raided in WoW on an older, early 2004 P4HT machine with 2GB DDR RAM and an AGP 8x card slot and was a champ. Did large AV turtles no problems, as well - and that's about 50 people on teh screen... More like 80 if you count tons of mirror images, pets, Shadow Priest clones, etc.

  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    Mmm 6 year old PC...would that make it a AMD Athlon XP 2400 or there abouts.

    I have to question that one in regards to truth.

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  • OzivoisOzivois Member UncommonPosts: 598

    Originally posted by Telchoric

    Grab a beta key (loads left) and play it in a few days and form your own opinion.

     where do i get a beta key?

  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    Originally posted by Ozivois

    Originally posted by Telchoric

    Grab a beta key (loads left) and play it in a few days and form your own opinion.

     where do i get a beta key?

     I got mine from this site, they gave out 5k of them.  Curse network might have some also.

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  • N8terN8ter Member Posts: 5



    Originally posted by stayontarget
    Mmm 6 year old PC...would that make it a AMD Athlon XP 2400 or there abouts.
    I have to question that one in regards to truth.

    If it was a high end custom gaming machine it could be a dual processor or decent Dual Core machine which had room to grow via hardware upgrades.

    But those are not the kind most MMORPG gamers buy.

    I dont' necessarily question his honesty, I just take it with a grain of sald. "A computer from 2006" doesn't say anything. There were budget and high end machines back then as well, and I already said I could raid and BG in WoW on thsi early 2004 P4 machine with little to no issues.

    The issue I have with most current MMORPGs is that so much emphasis is on the graphics that the game loses its focus when you are forced to turn them down so much, as so many users are. Game after game... People have been complaining about system requirements yet developers continue to develop and test for high-range hardware that simply isn't the norm in the MMORPG community.

  • seraphis79seraphis79 Member UncommonPosts: 312

    This game is well below my standards for a new mmorpg.  I have been a VIP member since phase 1 and despite my time in phase 1 I still participated in beta 2 until I hit that same wall after forcing myself to continue playing because "it was still the early levels."  Well during beta 3 I had enough and decided that no game is worth forcing yourself setting through mind numbing slow motion play just to see if things may get better later on. 

    I've sat out every beta phase since 3, gave away my 25 passes to the folks who frequent the eqemulator forums, and won't think twice about passing this one up in March.

    It's a shame too because I followed this game for well over a year hoping it would be my next home.  Sadly my search continues.

  • MoriwenneMoriwenne Member UncommonPosts: 20

    And thank god they do. 

    First you have to realise it's all about taste. Some prefer graphics over gameplay others just the opposite. But one thing is certain, you can play WOW on a computer from 2004 but the game looks like crap. 

    You can also lower the settings on a game like rift and have it run as smoothly and look as crappy as wow but the PROBLEM IS, after you see what it can look like you curse having to run it at anything but the best whilst playing WOW you don't even complain, it's just part of the experience.

  • shylock1079shylock1079 Member Posts: 158

    Rift is a fun game.  I think it is an acquired taste, absolutely, but the fact that it is new and not horrible has shocked people into word of mouth.  Yeah, there are quite a bit of bad community players, but the moment you have to actually start paying, I think their numbers decline.  They will go back to WoW.  Those are the get rich quick crowd, and generally speaking, WoW has retained loads of players simply because the idea of starting over somewhere new is terrifying.  I enjoy Rift...but I also think the OP was asking a rhetorical question in sarcasm to the fact that there has been a recent flux in positive word of mouth.  A whole lot of people hate it.  But the people still playing it at this late in the game tend to enjoy it.  I do.  I've reached cap and still enjoy it. 

  • RiftsoldierRiftsoldier Member Posts: 112

    I am one of those people that searches for a game that is good enuff to MAKE me upgrade my system.

    Rift is that game and my tax return will be well spent once the Sandy Bridge issue is past us and CPUs start hitting the shelves again.

    I have been playing Rift on a

    2.4 Ghz athlon 4000+ single core system with 2 Gigs of ram and windows vista.

    I do have an ok video card that can supposedly keep up with the game

    8800 GTX nvidia 756 MB

    my power supply is good

    750 watt

    have an ok 22 inch Samsung flat panel monitor

    gaming mouse and keyboard

    Cosmos 1000 case which has room for whatever

     

    Due to my slow cpu and Vista (the resource hog) I get choppy bad play when Invasions happen.

    Everything else plays fair enuff for the time being for me. I did try cranking the graphics up and this game looks OMG sweet on ultra with shadows and AA and stuff going.

    In World of Warcraft I had issues during raids due to my set-up. My reaction time was to slow due to the frame rates. WoW was to powerful for my rig.

    I really wish that Sandy Bridge was not broken now at this important time of release of Rift. It's just a sad state of affairs.

  • vtravivtravi Member UncommonPosts: 400

    Originally posted by Deleted User

     






    Originally posted by stayontarget

    Mmm 6 year old PC...would that make it a AMD Athlon XP 2400 or there abouts.

    I have to question that one in regards to truth.




    If it was a high end custom gaming machine it could be a dual processor or decent Dual Core machine which had room to grow via hardware upgrades.

    But those are not the kind most MMORPG gamers buy.

    I dont' necessarily question his honesty, I just take it with a grain of sald. "A computer from 2006" doesn't say anything. There were budget and high end machines back then as well, and I already said I could raid and BG in WoW on thsi early 2004 P4 machine with little to no issues.

    The issue I have with most current MMORPGs is that so much emphasis is on the graphics that the game loses its focus when you are forced to turn them down so much, as so many users are. Game after game... People have been complaining about system requirements yet developers continue to develop and test for high-range hardware that simply isn't the norm in the MMORPG community.

    It was a state of the art Alienware PC. Cost me $5000. but it is six years old and just now starting to show it's age. Worth the money though

  • EmhsterEmhster Member UncommonPosts: 913

    Originally posted by Ozivois

    Originally posted by Telchoric

    Grab a beta key (loads left) and play it in a few days and form your own opinion.

     where do i get a beta key?

    Look up this thread. They gave out through many means... And they also gave out 25 keys to anyone subscribed to their newsletter.

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