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What EVE is and What EVE is not.
Zlayer77
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{Mod Edit I thought I write down some quick info for everyone that wants to try EvE or who think they know everything about the game but they dont.{Mod Edit}
First off What is EVE?
1. a PVP game
2. a game were the players Manafacture about 95% of the content themselfs.
3. a group and comunity orientated game
4. a one server game
5. a game of Intrigue, espionage, backstabing, world conflict and conquest.
But to experince all this fun game play you have to start Interacting with other players. The other players are the most Important contant the game has to offer. Without them the game looks like this: in green is what could happen if you ad human players to the mix
1. Mine an astroid for hours, repetative and mindblowinlgy boring. That becomes fun when you are doing it to suport your battle fleet that is going to go rape some other players in a weeks time
2. Grind missions for hours , repetative and mindblowingly boring. That becomes fun when you crash your enmies mission running hub and sabotage their income, Wining the War as they can no longer get any ISK to keep fighting
3. Run static complexes for hours, repetative and minblowingly boring, Unless you are doing it in hostile space and can get jumped at any moment by a group of players
4. There is some other shit like killing Rats(npc pirates) killing sleepers(in wormhols) mining (gas/drug clouds) etc, All these things become much more fun when you are working for some sort of goal against your sworn enemies or just to Establish control over a system so you can decide who comes and who goes.. In the end evry boring thing in EVE becomes a shitload of fun when you have some sort of goal against another living person.... the Board game Monopoly wouldent be that fun unless you were playing with others now would it?? EvE is the same you need other people to have fun..
So the first and most Important step on your EVE carrer is MAKING FRIENDS... OMG WHAT you say you have to Interact with other people to have fun in this game??? YES you have to socialize to have fun in EVE im sorry but you have too.
Myths/lies and Bullshit that people say about EVE.
1. I will never catch up to the people who have played this game for years, I will never be able to compeat at there lvl..
This is a Lie that people keep spreading about EVE.... What these liars fail to grasp is that you train for ships seperatly... SO as a rookie that is 4 months old you might bave 3 ships you can fly really good and old timer might bave 25... But the 3 ships the rookie flyies as good as the vet. You will not have as many Options as the Vet but you will be able to compeat at his lvl if you use the ships that you can fly.
2. OMG its full blown pvp I will get ganked and raped by EVIL old Vets who want to hurt and abuse me.
Lies and more lies.. EvE is kinda safe as long as you know what you are doing... If you are stupid yes people will take advantage of you and probably gank or steal your money in some way. But as long as you stay on your toes you should be fine.
In closing I would say that EVE playes more like a Strategic Boardgame and you have to have some Imagination to play it.. the game dosent spoon feed you anything and the gameplay is just a TOOL to help you interact with others. The Players of EVE is its greatest assets and that is what makes the game so good. Its not game Mechanics or über pve content its the fact that we all live and share one Universe controled by US not some lame as company... IF we decide something has to change we can bring about that change and that is what makes EVE the Best dam MMO on the market today.
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EVE is not a 25 year old man wearing spandex.
Good write up!
Though its really difficult to compeltly encompass everything that Eve is, let a lone try to encompass everything it isnt.
i find the best way to describe it is more like a "full space simulator".. it really is more like a simulator than a game, but a game can be classed as a simulator.. so *shrugs*..
But your definatly correct about two things.
"Making friends / contacts".. definatly true.., or at least start the game with antoher friend, or group of friends.
and, "Cant catch up with other players" Your right on this too. Most even players give eve a break for several months sometimes years at a time. It really is very easy to catch up. With the direct assistance from knowledgable players you can easily over take the knowledge that average players have.
The suicide ganking in high section space caused me to leave and i started in jan. 04. Im sure im not the only one either.
MAGA
er... yea, I can see how an 04 player would struggle with that :S
OP u forgot one thing: anything said about EvE is true and the opposite is also true
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Unless you are flying an very expensive ship or hauling a lot of expensive crap then most likley you will never get suicide ganked in high sec (unless by wt's.)
It can happen, but usually they will be concord'ed first.. So alot of people don't do it, unless its Hulkagedon.
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No it is fairly common, someone only needs to be hauling a few hundred mil worth of stuff to justify the cost of a BS.
But you'd expect someone who has played since 2004 to have made a bit more progression in the game.
If the idea of 'raping' other players appeals to you, then this might be your game. It is a game of sheep and wolves. If you like to prey on others and enjoy 'raping' other players or play as prey trying to avoid being eaten then be sure to try this game.
There is nothing you can build or achieve in Eve that can not be taken away, except your kill history and player reputation. Any ship you undock in can be destroyed any where in the game, even the npc patrolled empire regions. The structures you build in space can be destroyed (edit: or taken away, which is really the same thing). The flip side of that is you can destroy anything that undocks or gets anchored if you know how. This game's mechanics greatly favor the destroyer rather than the builder.
Many of the game mechanics you have to learn by experience, which means you will take some losses while you learn. Joining corporations can help you learn, but you have to be careful of the predatory corporations that lure in players in order to further take advantage of an opportunity to plunder someone for gain or just sport.
This game world is filled with intrigue, backstabbing, betrayal, etc. Many of the players look upon corp thieving and betrayal as an art form and most of these incidents are much celebrated on the player forums.
People do enjoy playing games in groups and with other players without raping each other, by the way. To each their own type of enjoyment, of course.
You forgot the main thing that isn't destroyed. Your skills. Everything else is only temporary and can be replaced if you know how. Keeps the game interesting and is the reason why I play EVE.
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That is a component of the game, but it is not the only component and its hardly the most exciting component. The best of the game imo is 0.0 where its wolves and wolves.
Well....if you forgot to update your clone and you get podded, you could lose skill points :P Never happened to me, but a guy in one of my corps lost amarr bs V because he forgot to update his clone.
Update those clones people!
In my experience this game has more sociopaths than in any other game I played. It is because it allows, even encourages, you to steal, grief and scam other players. I would not call this game a game but rather a social experiment, to find out how people behave in an environment where basically anything goes.
May sound harsh but the number of scammers I have encountered in this game is simply staggering. Not to mention the sick things they write in their bio.
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it's a bit like the real world.
Most players are not thieves, but ofc they ar eingame and when you have like 50k unique players, ofc there will be a good number of bastards that steal.
EVE is about building stuff, whether it be buildig your wallet, a new corporation from a newb group to a empire dominating powerhouse or industrial corp to big alliances.
What is destroyed is gone, unlike in other MMOs,,,and yes, some ppl at the helm of certain enemies do not enjoy populairity with the opposing side. So if a disgruntled player with access to the assets fo such a corp/alliance steals it and delivers a huge blow to -for example- the militairy might of their fleets, some ppl will chuckle and say: YESSSSS!
Also you can avoid scams in 100% of the cases, in 99.9% of those the one that gets robbed gives the thief access to those assets/funds themselves......YOU hold th emoney or assets, if a thief gets hold on them it's because YOU fell for a trick.....what ppl admire there is the fact HOW a thief pulled it off.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
EVE is not a one server game. There is Tranquility and Serenity.
and now you are just nit picking...
Not really man. Even CCP says things like "Tranquility is the largest single shard..." instead of "EVE is the largest one sharded game..."
Just trying to spread correct information.
The OP has it pretty spot on... Eve is ultimatley a game of galacic chess/risk, where players live in a virtual world that is largely based around conflict and fighting for the gain of assets, whether they be ship systems or entire regions. Now, theres many different things to do in EVE, but most of it boils down into combat between opposing corps/alliances.
The funny thing about EVE, is despite the hardcore cutthroat nature of the PVP, there is a LARGE amount of "carebears" (in eve terminology, it means PVE or peaceful non violent types) that play this game and generally do not participate in pvp unless in self defense. I personally think said carebears are lame, and are missing the point of the game HOWEVER they are far from powerless... production of new items is a major part of EVE, as everything except ones character/skills is destructible. If no one bothered to be carebear and produce all those nice HACS/Commandships that I have been known to buy, then im not sure how PVP'ers would get along. If anything, MORE carebears are playing this game than ever before.
Hell, just recently I bought my first Revelation, a dreadnaught from an indepedant capital production corp run by.... a carebear. Seeing as he produces and sells to all as a politically neutral party, one can only guess how much he makes in private contracts from the wolves constantly fighting other wolves in never ending war. My point is, that carebears live and thrive in this game, because they are able to effect the game world just as much as PVP'ers do, they just do it vie strip miners instead of pulse lasers.
If this game truely had wolf hunting sheep as the ONLY gameplay component, EVE would have died ages ago. It has slowly grown and continually evolved, to become what I think is THE best working PVP system in ANY game PERIOD. Oh, and next time you lose a ship, learn from it... losing ships is part of the game. Trust me, were currently getting our ASS kicked in war, but it is only strengthening us as an alliance, as we weed out the excess memberbase who do not support the group effort. Also one last piece of advice... find a good corp that you mesh well with... EVE is a social game.
Remember the first QEN that CCP published? Less than 10% of the player population had ever set foot in 0.0 space. Low-sec space had a bit more of the population visiting it but not that much more. Eve is full of carebears who huddle up in "safe" space and do their own thing.
I haven't look at a QEN in a while so I'm not sure how much this picture has changed.
It's kind of the same, although there is a large amount of population that lives in 0.0/low-sec now, at least imo. Even though high sec is relatively safe, anybody and their mom can drop a wardec on your corp/alliance and farm the crap out you. Also there is always the can baiters and suicide gankers. I believe it's more than 10% of the pop that ventures into 0.0 but like others have said, the majority are carebearish.
Gotta have the carebear types in the game though for it to function.
Without miners, mission runners, and ratters, there could be no pvp except perhaps in rookie ships.
Personally, I try to do a bit of everything.
Agree 100%. I need those guys to build me more ships so I can blow them up!
I too have done a bit of everything in the game, from living in WH's, to mining and manufacturing t1 stuff, PI, low sec piracy, high sec merc stuff, FW and 0.0 and farming plexes for my iskies. The only part of the game I got pretty tired of was mission grinding. I did it on one of my characters to get standings for locator agents......missions can be tedious. I don't think I ever want to see Worlds Collide again :P
The one thing that people need to do if they are going to play EVE for a long time is join a Corp. You can do without but joining a Corp provides a lot of little benefits that going solo just doesn't achieve. One main thing is that most (but not all) Corps come with a knowledge base from the members of that Corp to help you out. Also, there is the old adage "safety in numbers". While you can't be with Corp mates 100% of the time, having them nearby can be an insurance policy...especially if operating in 0.0 sec space.
And for the record, EVE is a single server game but it is played on 1000's of instances. So when someone says that it is a one server game don't expect it to be seamless from one system to the next because it is not.
Also, don't expect big things to happen from CCP despite what CCP may announce. I have found that even that CCP make make a big deal about something, they are very slow about delivery. Almost so slow in fact that sometimes you may get the idea that they never meant what they announced in the first place.
Let's party like it is 1863!
I'm thinking about Incarna expansion... It'll be the "Duke Nuken Forever" of the expansions... Everybody waiting for it, CCP saying "Soon!!!", and everybody waiting again...
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No your spreading a contradiction and mis-information.
If you wanted to spread the correct information you would also add..
Serenity is the chinese 'version' of Eve, it can hardly be classed as the same game,
You need a chinese citizen number to get on, so illegal for anyone else. Even if you could get on you wouldnt want to, and even the chinese dont want to. (only 20'000 subscribers)
Eve IS tranquility, a single server, there is no choice.
Mining isn't fun at all; not even with the thought of some future good coming out of it. No, not even then.
It's what you do when you're watching TV, or browsing the web, and want to make some effortless ISK.
Did you hear that? My mining lasers have fallen silent I guess my cargohold is full...