PC gaming is the minority dude, you can't blame the companies for making multiplatform games, hell if consoles didn't exist neither would have half of the games that are released today. Just look at the best selling game of last year, it sold around 20m copies on consoles and 500k on PCs.
0/10, try again please^^
PC gaming makes more money than all consoles COMBINED!
"the PC gaming market is much bigger than consoles, both in installed base and in money made."
Did you even read the article or just look at the pretty graph? First this does not represent actual game sales at all but an estimate... ESTIMATE of PC sales capable of playing games(PCs with DX10 capable hardware) compared to consoles sold in the same amount of time. This doesn't reflect actual game sales in any way. The console market blows the PC market out of the water in actual game sales and has for at least the last 10 years. I know for a fact that over half of the DX10 capable computers that have been sold out of where I work in the last 2 years will most probably never have a game run on them as that is not what they were bought for. This Blog is in no way an acurate representation of the PC games market nor was it ever intended to be. If you actually read the article the author is simply estimating what the potential for PC game sales over the next 3 years may be.
"The entire game is played with a two button mouse for fucks sake!" by OP
really? I didnt know that with that in mind I wont be playing diablo 3. I wasnt really interested in playing it anyways as im sure there will be better games out. Sounds to me like there derping everything down now. Im gonna laugh when there next mmo is even more easier than world of warcraft although im not sure how that could be since there supposidly trying to get new people into the scene even more.
"The entire game is played with a two button mouse for fucks sake!" by OP
really? I didnt know that with that in mind I wont be playing diablo 3. I wasnt really interested in playing it anyways as im sure there will be better games out. Sounds to me like there derping everything down now. Im gonna laugh when there next mmo is even more easier than world of warcraft although im not sure how that could be since there supposidly trying to get new people into the scene even more.
Just like Diablo 1 and 2. It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out that Diablo 3 will use a similar control scheme.
Did you even read the article or just look at the pretty graph? First this does not represent actual game sales at all but an estimate... ESTIMATE of PC sales capable of playing games(PCs with DX10 capable hardware) compared to consoles sold in the same amount of time. This doesn't reflect actual game sales in any way. The console market blows the PC market out of the water in actual game sales and has for at least the last 10 years. I know for a fact that over half of the DX10 capable computers that have been sold out of where I work in the last 2 years will most probably never have a game run on them as that is not what they were bought for. This Blog is in no way an acurate representation of the PC games market nor was it ever intended to be. If you actually read the article the author is simply estimating what the potential for PC game sales over the next 3 years may be.
This is based on actual NPD group data and is an acurate representation of game sales.
Bren
NPD data for PC gaming does not reflect digital sales, micro-transactions, subscriptions, etc, etc. It is really only pertinent in comparing sales between X-Box 360, PS3, and Wii...not comparing consoles to PCs. The money generated from companies like Zynga, et al - nope, no NPD data there. Sales from Steam, not there. Etc, etc, etc. So please do not use NPD data....
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
"The entire game is played with a two button mouse for fucks sake!" by OP
really? I didnt know that with that in mind I wont be playing diablo 3. I wasnt really interested in playing it anyways as im sure there will be better games out. Sounds to me like there derping everything down now. Im gonna laugh when there next mmo is even more easier than world of warcraft although im not sure how that could be since there supposidly trying to get new people into the scene even more.
Just like Diablo 1 and 2. It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out that Diablo 3 will use a similar control scheme.
Bren
If you only played with the mouse, you musta gotten carried through hell mode
PC gaming is the minority dude, you can't blame the companies for making multiplatform games, hell if consoles didn't exist neither would have half of the games that are released today. Just look at the best selling game of last year, it sold around 20m copies on consoles and 500k on PCs.
0/10, try again please^^
PC gaming makes more money than all consoles COMBINED!
"the PC gaming market is much bigger than consoles, both in installed base and in money made."
Did you even read the article or just look at the pretty graph? First this does not represent actual game sales at all but an estimate... ESTIMATE of PC sales capable of playing games(PCs with DX10 capable hardware) compared to consoles sold in the same amount of time. This doesn't reflect actual game sales in any way. The console market blows the PC market out of the water in actual game sales and has for at least the last 10 years. I know for a fact that over half of the DX10 capable computers that have been sold out of where I work in the last 2 years will most probably never have a game run on them as that is not what they were bought for. This Blog is in no way an acurate representation of the PC games market nor was it ever intended to be. If you actually read the article the author is simply estimating what the potential for PC game sales over the next 3 years may be.
An article from 2007 that doesn't include Steam or any online sales. You had to search long for that one. The article doesn't even include worldwide sales. *roll eyes*
There are multiple sources that show PC gaming > all consoles combined. You had to find a 2007 article because every other article disagrees with you.
Study from 2008 that did include online sales says it's bigger too: http://www.next-gen.biz/news/study-claims-pc-market-largest , you were wrong back then too. So does the article from Intel from 2011 and so do all new articles and studies.
It is pointless trying to win the argument from your side because 3rd world countries and China and India get more PC than they get consoles. PC are a priority, the install base for PC is growing much faster than that of consoles. People want a PC first, a console is considered luxury.
This is the point Intel made too, people need a PC nowadays. They need a PC in China and India and Africa. People do not need a Xbox 360, that is luxury. So the install base of PC gamers grows exponentially right now, that of consoles does not.
You know how much bigger the market is in India and China than in the U.S.? US is peanuts. The only reason you see more money made in the US from games is because Asian currencies are undervalued right now.
Even Sega admitted last year that they will focus more on PC gaming.
The multiplayer servers are separate for the two games. Controllers a probably alright for single player games on any platform, but the mouse allows almost zero turning speed, precision, and the ability to aim while jumping. Even with the stick sensitivity cranked on a controller, there will be time delay while the cursor moves. For most everyday purposes, this won't be an issue because the majority of people don't play at a high enough level for it to matter. But once you start playing with some experienced players those fractional seconds make hella difference.
It's really too bad that most FPS games don't have a ladder system like Starcraft 2.
"The entire game is played with a two button mouse for fucks sake!" by OP
really? I didnt know that with that in mind I wont be playing diablo 3. I wasnt really interested in playing it anyways as im sure there will be better games out. Sounds to me like there derping everything down now. Im gonna laugh when there next mmo is even more easier than world of warcraft although im not sure how that could be since there supposidly trying to get new people into the scene even more.
Just like Diablo 1 and 2. It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out that Diablo 3 will use a similar control scheme.
Bren
If you only played with the mouse, you musta gotten carried through hell mode
No, I used the keyboard as well but it doesn't change the fact that it could be played with the mouse alone.
They are making chat pads for the Xbox, I'm sure all consoles will have there normal controllers and the keyboard like controllers in the very near future, so really by the time Diablo 3 comes out, if it needs more than the console buttons it will have the chat pad. So in about 2 years consoles will be able to play all the genres including MMOs well.
They are making chat pads for the Xbox, I'm sure all consoles will have there normal controllers and the keyboard like controllers in the very near future, so really by the time Diablo 3 comes out, if it needs more than the console buttons it will have the chat pad. So in about 2 years consoles will be able to play all the genres including MMOs well.
Consoles already have USB ports. But the question is not if consoles can have keyboard and mouse, that is easy to fix. The question is if they should.
The different controllers are the main reasons for the existance of both PCs and consoles. And frankly do some people prefer one while others the other.
I am not so sure console players actually want to play like PC gamers. Of course I don't really get why people play FPS games on a console anyways, consoles are best for platform games, fighting games and sport games. But that is my opinion.
Do you guys really think console players want to buy a keyboard or something similar?
I personally think that Diablos controls should be remade instead with combos, like Tekken and Soul calibur. Porting games between PC and consoles usually fails miserably and the reason for that is that a game should consider the advantage on the platforn it is using.
It all comes down to Bandwith, Resolution and Mapping.
I've always modded to make high bandwith controllers because as much as I love controllers, they are cheap and you can see their design flaws in several gametypes and their own response times. The highest quality controller one can buy for a console is as good as average quality and many tradeoffs exist.
Most PC gamers use below average mice and keyboards, but the options do exist out there to buy a high quality mouse and keyboard where you see that high quality in both, its construction and its performance.
By high Quality I mean the following:
I use high quality mice and keyboards. The mouse I have has not broken yet (though I've had to put Electric Tape around it) but I have had it for many years and it STILL plays great today. The keyboard I have has excellent response time and I can hold 8 -16 keys without any of my actions being cancelled out. I have owned my keyboard for 4 - 5 years.
I like to keep my broken items because I know how to fix them....I've modded and fixed many game controllers. This bin has eight different controllers for PC and Consoles under different models, all which have BROKEN or have had a Button Jam up or not. Of course I can replace the rubber and the button underneath and that is good as new...
However, I don't have to take apart a mouse and put it back together to play a game. The same is true with a keyboard unless you let a lot of things fall in between the keys. I use keyboards so much their letters come off though, but no worries, as I know how to type and I never really see the keys to begin with. Thing is that my keys do not stop working, even after all of this time. ^_^
One reason why I limit the games I play on Consoles is because I remember going through 3 - 4 controllers every year of playing Phantasy Star Online (all versions) , Armored Core series games (only the PS games, not the 360 games) and Phantasy Star Universe (on PC.)
It all comes down to Bandwith, Resolution and Mapping.
I've always modded to make high bandwith controllers because as much as I love controllers, they are cheap and you can see their design flaws in several gametypes and their own response times. The highest quality controller one can buy for a console is as good as average quality and many tradeoffs exist.
Most PC gamers use below average mice and keyboards, but the options do exist out there to buy a high quality mouse and keyboard where you see that high quality in both, its construction and its performance.
By high Quality I mean the following:
I use high quality mice and keyboards. The mouse I have has not broken yet (though I've had to put Electric Tape around it) but I have had it for many years and it STILL plays great today. The keyboard I have has excellent response time and I can hold 8 -16 keys without any of my actions being cancelled out. I have owned my keyboard for 4 - 5 years.
I like to keep my broken items because I know how to fix them....I've modded and fixed many game controllers. This bin has eight different controllers for PC and Consoles under different models, all which have BROKEN or have had a Button Jam up or not. Of course I can replace the rubber and the button underneath and that is good as new...
However, I don't have to take apart a mouse and put it back together to play a game. The same is true with a keyboard unless you let a lot of things fall in between the keys. I use keyboards so much their letters come off though, but no worries, as I know how to type and I never really see the keys to begin with. Thing is that my keys do not stop working, even after all of this time. ^_^
One reason why I limit the games I play on Consoles is because I remember going through 3 - 4 controllers every year of playing Phantasy Star Online (all versions) , Armored Core series games (only the PS games, not the 360 games) and Phantasy Star Universe (on PC.)
I think a lot of it is because we tend to play rougher with a PS3 controller than a mouse.
My trackballs usually lasts for 3 years or so, I can fix them up to last somewhat longer but I usually get a new one anyways, I need a 100% reliable thing when I play.
But it is true, gamecontrollers just don't last that long.
One reason why I limit the games I play on Consoles is because I remember going through 3 - 4 controllers every year of playing Phantasy Star Online (all versions) , Armored Core series games (only the PS games, not the 360 games) and Phantasy Star Universe (on PC.)
I can only imagine how much better Armored Core would be on the PC. The new Armored Core controls make me a sad panda compared to the classic controls.
The only genre I can think of that is definitely better with a mouse and keyboard is RTS
Flight simulator
I take it you haven't played a real flight sim in a long, long time. Not only is this an incredibly niche genre, but it is also not something you do with a computer you just bought from Best Buy and unboxed five minutes ago. Here's a picture of what a typical flight sim geek will go through for their hobby:
You could do the same thing for consoles, but you'd really be limiting your potential market. Don't believe me? Remember Steel Battalion?
'Nuff said.
complex RPGs
Nice use of the subjective term "complex." The only RPGs that I can think of that wouldn't be possible on consoles are Roguelikes and that's because they are driven completely by hundreds of keyboard commands. Sure, you could replace all the ASCII characters with graphics and use mouse driven graphical user interface instead of hundred upon hundreds of hotkeys, but then people like you couldn't sneer at the vast masses that only want to play a game and not wade through an encyclopedic user manual.
Turn based RPGs are based entirely on menus that can be navigated easily with a gamepad. Most real-time RPGs are also in easily adapted to the gamepad. I would challenge you to show me any RPG that was to "complex" for a gamepad but I have feeling that you'd just give me a link to Dwarf Fortress. <sigh> Just watch this and you'll see where I'm coming from...
MMORPGs
MMORPGs have been made for consoles before and will be made for them again. The main thing keeping us from seeing more MMORPGs on consoles is the attitude of the console manufacturers who don't want to share their online goodies with anyone else. Sony is company that lets third party developers run their own servers, and they keep making consoles that are a huge pain in the ass to develope games on. So yeah...
First person shooters are a LOT better with mouse and keyboard
Only in multiplayer and then only in high level play. The vast majority of FPS players suck. Just download and play something like Combat Arms and you'll see exactly what I mean. Hell, I only play FPS games casually and I can usually rank in the top three on any server I play on. Of course I've been playing these games since the original Wolfenstien 3D.
Single player FPS is a non-issue and nobody's goddamn business except the person playing the game.
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MY PC can blow consoles away any day, it if things go like they have been, it will always be so.
Did you even read the article or just look at the pretty graph? First this does not represent actual game sales at all but an estimate... ESTIMATE of PC sales capable of playing games(PCs with DX10 capable hardware) compared to consoles sold in the same amount of time. This doesn't reflect actual game sales in any way. The console market blows the PC market out of the water in actual game sales and has for at least the last 10 years. I know for a fact that over half of the DX10 capable computers that have been sold out of where I work in the last 2 years will most probably never have a game run on them as that is not what they were bought for. This Blog is in no way an acurate representation of the PC games market nor was it ever intended to be. If you actually read the article the author is simply estimating what the potential for PC game sales over the next 3 years may be.
0/10, Try again please^^
Since you like graphs hows this one?
This is based on actual NPD group data and is an acurate representation of game sales.
Bren
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"The entire game is played with a two button mouse for fucks sake!" by OP
really? I didnt know that with that in mind I wont be playing diablo 3. I wasnt really interested in playing it anyways as im sure there will be better games out. Sounds to me like there derping everything down now. Im gonna laugh when there next mmo is even more easier than world of warcraft although im not sure how that could be since there supposidly trying to get new people into the scene even more.
Yea and we can actually play games that dont cost $60 a pop for 8-10 hours of entertainment most of the time.
Just like Diablo 1 and 2. It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out that Diablo 3 will use a similar control scheme.
Bren
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As far as I understand those numbers are for US only. Can you come up with some sources that show the worldwide situation?
NPD data for PC gaming does not reflect digital sales, micro-transactions, subscriptions, etc, etc. It is really only pertinent in comparing sales between X-Box 360, PS3, and Wii...not comparing consoles to PCs. The money generated from companies like Zynga, et al - nope, no NPD data there. Sales from Steam, not there. Etc, etc, etc. So please do not use NPD data....
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
If you only played with the mouse, you musta gotten carried through hell mode
It's not funny at all. It's on the Xbox only if I'm not mistaken?
Mouse and keyboard pwn a controller if it doesn't have an aimbot.
if it's JUST controllers, and no one with a mouse and keyboard is playing, then it's an even playing field and you don't need aimbots.
A mouse will always be able to put the pointer on a specific pixel on the screen faster than a controller. It's just a more accurate device.
Halo is also for PC aswell.
A game is just that... a game, not an emotional crutch.
An article from 2007 that doesn't include Steam or any online sales. You had to search long for that one. The article doesn't even include worldwide sales. *roll eyes*
There are multiple sources that show PC gaming > all consoles combined. You had to find a 2007 article because every other article disagrees with you.
Study from 2008 that did include online sales says it's bigger too: http://www.next-gen.biz/news/study-claims-pc-market-largest , you were wrong back then too. So does the article from Intel from 2011 and so do all new articles and studies.
It is pointless trying to win the argument from your side because 3rd world countries and China and India get more PC than they get consoles. PC are a priority, the install base for PC is growing much faster than that of consoles. People want a PC first, a console is considered luxury.
This is the point Intel made too, people need a PC nowadays. They need a PC in China and India and Africa. People do not need a Xbox 360, that is luxury. So the install base of PC gamers grows exponentially right now, that of consoles does not.
You know how much bigger the market is in India and China than in the U.S.? US is peanuts. The only reason you see more money made in the US from games is because Asian currencies are undervalued right now.
Even Sega admitted last year that they will focus more on PC gaming.
Yes, that's true but....
The multiplayer servers are separate for the two games. Controllers a probably alright for single player games on any platform, but the mouse allows almost zero turning speed, precision, and the ability to aim while jumping. Even with the stick sensitivity cranked on a controller, there will be time delay while the cursor moves. For most everyday purposes, this won't be an issue because the majority of people don't play at a high enough level for it to matter. But once you start playing with some experienced players those fractional seconds make hella difference.
It's really too bad that most FPS games don't have a ladder system like Starcraft 2.
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Not worth arguing about.
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No, I used the keyboard as well but it doesn't change the fact that it could be played with the mouse alone.
Bren
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you people have been crying the death of pc gaming for the last 10 years, get over it children, pc made you what you are today
its like trying to listen to the filth people spew about how kinect is "here to stay"
Okay, I Just want to clarify something here. Did you just claim that the Kinect is obscene? As in, you are deeply, morally outraged by the Kinect?
.... They're just video games.... Calm down....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!Epic lulz, wont bother trying...
About the main topic, well its blizzard no suprise they try to maximise the sales no matter what
They are making chat pads for the Xbox, I'm sure all consoles will have there normal controllers and the keyboard like controllers in the very near future, so really by the time Diablo 3 comes out, if it needs more than the console buttons it will have the chat pad. So in about 2 years consoles will be able to play all the genres including MMOs well.
-I want a Platformer MMO
Flight simulator
complex RPGs
MMORPGs
First person shooters are a LOT better with mouse and keyboard
Consoles already have USB ports. But the question is not if consoles can have keyboard and mouse, that is easy to fix. The question is if they should.
The different controllers are the main reasons for the existance of both PCs and consoles. And frankly do some people prefer one while others the other.
I am not so sure console players actually want to play like PC gamers. Of course I don't really get why people play FPS games on a console anyways, consoles are best for platform games, fighting games and sport games. But that is my opinion.
Do you guys really think console players want to buy a keyboard or something similar?
I personally think that Diablos controls should be remade instead with combos, like Tekken and Soul calibur. Porting games between PC and consoles usually fails miserably and the reason for that is that a game should consider the advantage on the platforn it is using.
Not flightsimulators, they really need a joystick and not a mouse.
I agree with the rest (but I prefer a trackball, mouses are too slow for me).
It all comes down to Bandwith, Resolution and Mapping.
I've always modded to make high bandwith controllers because as much as I love controllers, they are cheap and you can see their design flaws in several gametypes and their own response times. The highest quality controller one can buy for a console is as good as average quality and many tradeoffs exist.
Most PC gamers use below average mice and keyboards, but the options do exist out there to buy a high quality mouse and keyboard where you see that high quality in both, its construction and its performance.
By high Quality I mean the following:
I use high quality mice and keyboards. The mouse I have has not broken yet (though I've had to put Electric Tape around it) but I have had it for many years and it STILL plays great today. The keyboard I have has excellent response time and I can hold 8 -16 keys without any of my actions being cancelled out. I have owned my keyboard for 4 - 5 years.
I like to keep my broken items because I know how to fix them....I've modded and fixed many game controllers. This bin has eight different controllers for PC and Consoles under different models, all which have BROKEN or have had a Button Jam up or not. Of course I can replace the rubber and the button underneath and that is good as new...
However, I don't have to take apart a mouse and put it back together to play a game. The same is true with a keyboard unless you let a lot of things fall in between the keys. I use keyboards so much their letters come off though, but no worries, as I know how to type and I never really see the keys to begin with. Thing is that my keys do not stop working, even after all of this time. ^_^
One reason why I limit the games I play on Consoles is because I remember going through 3 - 4 controllers every year of playing Phantasy Star Online (all versions) , Armored Core series games (only the PS games, not the 360 games) and Phantasy Star Universe (on PC.)
I think a lot of it is because we tend to play rougher with a PS3 controller than a mouse.
My trackballs usually lasts for 3 years or so, I can fix them up to last somewhat longer but I usually get a new one anyways, I need a 100% reliable thing when I play.
But it is true, gamecontrollers just don't last that long.
I can only imagine how much better Armored Core would be on the PC. The new Armored Core controls make me a sad panda compared to the classic controls.