First SOE destroys SWG and now they sanction EBAY type purchases

admriker444 · May 2005

Im stunned as I read this, in the latest Game Informer magazine SOE announces its own exchange where players can buy whatever item they want or character for EQ2. Dont want to grind a lvl 50 mage, well SOE will sell you one. Dont want to work to make into that area and get that ubber item ? Well SOE will sell it to you. Unfreakingbelievable.....

SOE has once again proven they'll try and make a profit out of thin air. Guess we all better gulp that air quick before SOE charges us for it.

If they're doing this for EQ2, can SWG be that far behind. Im sure those idiots are drooling over all the many kiddies out there who wanna play as a jedi but dont want to invest the time or effort.

This makes me sick. I will never touch a game that rewards this kinda "gameplay" SOE SHOULD BE ASHAMED

ste2000 · May 2005

Old news.

Anyway...........
SOE has lost it, long time ago. This Station Exchange is the last chance to milk their customers a bit more before they abandon their games for cronic boredom.

admriker444 · May 2005

June 2005 issue, seems pretty new to me. And I havent seen anything written about this elsewhere.

ste2000 · May 2005

Because all the discussion went on one month ago, people got bored already of talking about that.

Anyway, it wasn't a complaint just a clarification. ::::39::

Anofalye · May 2005

What Ste forget to say is that Vanguard is heading the same way...or so claim Microsoft(the guys paying Brad salary).

lonelyrobot · May 2005

Well, there is good news. Due to overwhelmingly negative feedback on the idea, SOE is creating specific servers that are auction enabled. You have to apply for a server transfer if you want to take part in the new system.

ste2000 · May 2005

Originally posted by Anofalye
What Ste forget to say is that Vanguard is heading the same way...or so claim Microsoft(the guys paying Brad salary).

Lol, you never miss the chance to have a go at me eh? ::::39::

By the way, you know that Brad is against that, and Vanguard community has warned Microsoft more than once to behave themselves.
Vanguard is aimed to CORE players, and CORE players hate Station Exchange alike, but I am sure you are aware of that.
And I am sure that Microsoft also knows, that if they upset the CORE players they will have no customers and a huge bill to pay (Brad wages are quite high, you know.............) ::::20::

Cobra1107 · May 2005

Meh, big deal. People were already paying money for items/characters off of ebay. Atleast his way they'll make a profit off of it. Seems perfectly logical to me.

I mean, are you just bitching about it because you want a reason to complain about SOE, or are you just bitching about it because you actually have a reason for thinking this is a bad move on SOE's part?

Don't get me wrong, SOE has never been the smartest company and they aren't exactly the brightest people when it comes to managing games. But, Hell, if I were in their shoes I'd do the same thing.

Razorback · May 2005

The simple, inescapable fact is this....

Trading in virtual items, currency and accounts has been going on since UO.

If it was ever going to have the kind of major negative effects the nay sayers claim it has it would have happened by now.

This argument is D E A D !

Veiled_light · May 2005

i welcome it :P It's happening anyways

IcoGames · May 2005

Begun, the Farming Wars have. ::::12::

The interesting question will be do either SWG or EQ2 have the populations to attract the farming companies that exist in games, Lineage 2. If they don't, then I don't see a problem. Otherwise ...

Scaris · May 2005

Originally posted by Razorback
The simple, inescapable fact is this....
Trading in virtual items, currency and accounts has been going on since UO.
If it was ever going to have the kind of major negative effects the nay sayers claim it has it would have happened by now.
This argument is D E A D !

Thank you.

Scaris · May 2005

Originally posted by admriker444

This makes me sick. I will never touch a game that rewards this kinda "gameplay" SOE SHOULD BE ASHAMED

I would say your gaming days are rather numbered then. Its always been here, it always will be. Deal with it. Odds are you run into people that have "cheated" in any MMO you have played far more then you would ever think. Quit with the niave act and face reality.

SWG players have sold Jedi for more money then just about any other game's characters. You knew it was going on, I didn't see you being all moral then and quitting SWG in protest of SOE's inaction against it. SOE has never taken mass action against this sort of thing and now all the sudden your shocked and appauled? Now instead of a pharmer SOE is getting the money and you have issue with that.

mcr525 · May 2005

I dont have a problem with this personally. I also dont think they have destroyed SWG. In fact they have made it much better. My opinion of course.

Zepee · May 2005

The thing is u cant do much of a think bout the things that are sold on eBay. Even if SOE cared about it she wouldnt be able to do much. Now, one thing is doing nothing to prevent this, that most companys and "decent" gamers are totally against, but the other is to approve and help it happen.

In my opinion its a complete disgrace that SOE does this, its getting so low. And doing a thing like this isnt good for the companies name. Its really lame that any company even thinks to do something like this, and it will ruin the games more than they already are. I suppose there are parents who dont approve theyre kids buying this stuff on eBay, but they will aprove if it is done in a "oficialy" way.

This is surely SOEs last breath...

Scaris · May 2005

Originally posted by Zepee
The thing is u cant do much of a think bout the things that are sold on eBay. Even if SOE cared about it she wouldnt be able to do much. Now, one thing is doing nothing to prevent this, that most companys and "decent" gamers are totally against, but the other is to approve and help it happen.In my opinion its a complete disgrace that SOE does this, its getting so low. And doing a thing like this isnt good for the companies name. Its really lame that any company even thinks to do something like this, and it will ruin the games more than they already are. I suppose there are parents who dont approve theyre kids buying this stuff on eBay, but they will aprove if it is done in a "oficialy" way.This is surely SOEs last breath...

So you were against OSI when they started selling pre made template characters to players? After all, if you are going to be against it, you should target the company that started it all, which was Origin in UO. SOE is merely taking it a step further.

Thoemse · May 2005

Simple solution. Don't pay to play their games. I made the fault to buy EQ2 myself but they sure as hell wont get a monthly fee from me.
Those who are willing to buy that stuff should do it. Their problem really.

shae · May 2005

Although I tend to be a "It's their product they can do what they want and it's the consumers money, they can spend it how they want" type of gal but in this instance I can't help but be completely confused as to the rational of this. It seems to me that SOE is being extremely short sited in their business dealings, enabling the option to buy your character off hand defeats the purpose of the playing process in most MMO's, including EQ2, sure there's end game content and the community but what about building your character, what about getting to know and grow "with' other players, my god what about actual role play, that still counts in RPG's right ?

I'm actually quite suprised that so little people are worried about this, but then again this is SOE and they seem to be quite eager to sully what little reputation they have left. I think if anythign good comes out of this is that perhaps finally players from every walk of life will finally get that EQ2 and SWG are there simply for SOE to soak every possible dime out of people, simple as that.

I sincerely hope that the remaining industry leaders do not go this route.

admriker444 · May 2005

you guys like fadeus have got to be joking right ??? Its like watching someone get murdered and thinking wow how awful, that guys gonna go to jail for life for what he did. Then listening to people around debate whether or not the victim deserved it or if murder is really all that bad anymore.

Sheesh guys dont you have any moral fiber ?

And there's a big difference between officially sanctioning something and it being a quiet underground thing where its not all that common. The game will go from 10% items being bought to 50% or more. Yes I knew it occurred, but it wasnt accepted by SOE and allegedly they should be banned for it. Heck, SOE used to ban peeps for credit duping. Now they themselves will be doing it.

I gotta stop logging in here. You kids are giving me an ulcer. Oh and by the way, my wife is a doctor so I dont have any issues with being able to buy in-game items.

Lowdos · May 2005

I have a problem with this corporate madness.

Its just MASSIVE GREED on SOE's part.

And when did games stop being....games?

I honestly feel quite sick now.

Dekoth · May 2005

Another thread steeped in ignorant fallacy.

Ok for the last time, SOE IS NOT SELLING ITEMS OR CHARACTERS. What part of that do some of you fail to grasp? They are simply being the broker and providing players who Want to participate in this a Secure place to Buy and Trade. It does not matter if your morals agree or not, fact is its better to control this as it is NOT going away, then to continue the futile fight against it wasting money and manpower.

The only items, coin, and characters that will be sold, will originate from players, SOE is not..i repeat is NOT creating stuff on demand. Get that through your thick skulls.

As another note, the ingame poll of actual players showed that 25% of their player base plans to participate in the station exchange. That is an Extremely large number of players as a fyi. Now while I think those players are sad and honestly an insult to gamers. Their money, their loss and honestly so long as they are on a seperate server then me, more power to them.

Scaris · May 2005

Originally posted by admriker444
And there's a big difference between officially sanctioning something and it being a quiet underground thing where its not all that common

So glad you could actually take the time to address my post. Apparently you couldn't argue it.

Thats like saying you didn't lie, you just didn't say anything. A lack of trush it a lie just like a misinformation is. A lack of action is as much supporting it as officially sanctioning it. You really are niave. Your INACTION is what tells companies is ok to do this. You didn't care then, why should you care now?

This isn't someone out commiting a crime where your life is on the line if you chose to stop it. This is a game, there are thousands, you could go buy someone elses just as easily that meets your "gaming" values. But you didn't, you continued to play that one when there was no risk to you to change games. You just keep sitting there telling yourself you really didn't support it all that time admirker after you chose a game that has one of the highest profit margins per account sale of any game out there. In the entertainment business world the ONLY thing that talks for you is your money, which you kept handing over to them.

And lastly your first paragraph made absolutely zero sense in regard to my previous post. Perhaps you would like to try again.

Scaris · May 2005

Originally posted by Dekoth
Another thread steeped in ignorant fallacy.
Ok for the last time, SOE IS NOT SELLING ITEMS OR CHARACTERS. What part of that do some of you fail to grasp? They are simply being the broker and providing players who Want to participate in this a Secure place to Buy and Trade. It does not matter if your morals agree or not, fact is its better to control this as it is NOT going away, then to continue the futile fight against it wasting money and manpower.
The only items, coin, and characters that will be sold, will originate from players, SOE is not..i repeat is NOT creating stuff on demand. Get that through your thick skulls.
As another note, the ingame poll of actual players showed that 25% of their player base plans to participate in the station exchange. That is an Extremely large number of players as a fyi. Now while I think those players are sad and honestly an insult to gamers. Their money, their loss and honestly so long as they are on a seperate server then me, more power to them.

Hell, I am still waiting to see one of them comment on the fact that OSI started these types of services. And they DID sell a character outright, not broker it for someone else. Yet now that its SOE its "sickening" but when it was OSI doing it with UO it wasn't a big deal.

Dekoth · May 2005

Originally posted by Fadeus

Originally posted by Dekoth
Another thread steeped in ignorant fallacy.
Ok for the last time, SOE IS NOT SELLING ITEMS OR CHARACTERS. What part of that do some of you fail to grasp? They are simply being the broker and providing players who Want to participate in this a Secure place to Buy and Trade. It does not matter if your morals agree or not, fact is its better to control this as it is NOT going away, then to continue the futile fight against it wasting money and manpower.
The only items, coin, and characters that will be sold, will originate from players, SOE is not..i repeat is NOT creating stuff on demand. Get that through your thick skulls.
As another note, the ingame poll of actual players showed that 25% of their player base plans to participate in the station exchange. That is an Extremely large number of players as a fyi. Now while I think those players are sad and honestly an insult to gamers. Their money, their loss and honestly so long as they are on a seperate server then me, more power to them.

Hell, I am still waiting to see one of them comment on the fact that OSI started these types of services. And they DID sell a character outright, not broker it for someone else. Yet now that its SOE its "sickening" but when it was OSI doing it with UO it wasn't a big deal.

Ironic isnt it?

Since you brought it up, ill post the link for the moral crusaders in this thread. Thanks for mentioning it.

http://support.uo.com/advancedcharacter.html

Now perhaps its just me..but EA is selling a pre built character...vs SOE just brokering the trade..hmm a Char prebuilt created on demand from nothing..verses..bartering a trade..Sorry the moral argument against SoE is looking more pathetic then ever.

ianubisi · May 2005

Originally posted by Thoemse
Simple solution. Don't pay to play their games. I made the fault to buy EQ2 myself but they sure as hell wont get a monthly fee from me.
Those who are willing to buy that stuff should do it. Their problem really.

Well said.

Scaris · May 2005

[quote]Originally posted by Dekoth
[b]
Ironic isnt it?
Since you brought it up, ill post the link for the moral crusaders in this thread. Thanks for mentioning it.
[url=http://support.uo.com/advancedcharacter.html]
Now perhaps its just me..but EA is selling a pre built character...vs SOE just brokering the trade..hmm a Char prebuilt created on demand from nothing..verses..bartering a trade..Sorry the moral argument against SoE is looking more pathetic then ever.
[/b][/quote]

Its SOE now so apparently its all different.

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