Why am I not suprised that Blizzard no longer gets that mmos are meant to be 'social gaming' anyway.
Holy shit you will be able to play with your facebook friends? Cool then we will all be able to ignore the fuck out of the rest of the games players, fantastic.
Titan, 12 million players...ignore them all!!!
Only a small fraction of MMO players do that, and I doubt that Facebook-utilities would significantly increase the amount. I believe this will only enhance social gaming, not hinder it.
Why am I not suprised that Blizzard no longer gets that mmos are meant to be 'social gaming' anyway.
Holy shit you will be able to play with your facebook friends? Cool then we will all be able to ignore the fuck out of the rest of the games players, fantastic.
Titan, 12 million players...ignore them all!!!
Only a small fraction of MMO players do that, and I doubt that Facebook-utilities would significantly increase the amount. I believe this will only enhance social gaming, not hinder it.
Mmos are social gaming, that was originally the point...
Actually nevermind mmo's are increasingly becoming more and more 'solo friendly' and whilst that's not a bad thing the shift towards more instancing/phasing and a general lesser needed for actual community interaction in the greater sense points to anything but an increase in 'social gaming'.
Adding facebook 'cliques' to this is certainly not what i'd consider an enhancement. But then, who am I to argue, it will no doubt be a massive success for them.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Players do not need Facebook to be social with one another with our real life friends. We have cell phones, home phones and email for that. Also friends do not need to be with you 24/7 eveyday of your life. There is such a thing as privacy that people enjoy.
I hope Blizzard has learned from the errors of using phasing; Cata sold well, then subs feel flat (IMO). So,
NO PHASING NO PHASING NO PHASING
And no forced storyling nonsense either. The world can have an overarching story or series of events going on, but leave the individual players free to roam, explore, and to carve out their own destinies. WOW got it right in Vanilla.
Less instancing, more shared and dynamic content. Leave the cutscenes for a movie.
Wow, that is exactly the opposite on how I assume it will be. Particualrly based on "play with your close friends" thing.
To me that sounds a lot like instancing to me, in about the same level Guildwars have.
We should of course not put too uch credit in a short comment like that but I doubt Blizzard will change things back to vanilla days. Assume more of the same.
Did Wow really loose so many subs after CATAs launch? And if they did, don't you think it can be because the game is getting really old instead of some misstake with stuff like instancing?
Cut scenes is a great tool for devs, as long as they don't overuse them. If you only get cut scenes rarely and in important cases it helps to set the mood. It is when you Dragon age them in our faces that they suck.
Players do not need Facebook to be social with one another with our real life friends. We have cell phones, home phones and email for that. Also friends do not need to be with you 24/7 eveyday of your life. There is such a thing as privacy that people enjoy.
You'll be amazed at how life fullfiling it is when you go out with friends/family for coffee or dinner. It's important for people to remember they are human beings.
The fact that it *might* intergrate facebook is a bad sign IMO.
Why use facebook anyway? The only people that use facebook are the one's looking for a mate anyhow.
Sorry but this facebook fad is absurdly over-rated. I know not one person that I game with that uses facebook.
What?!
No just no. I think it would be brilliant to involve Facebook in a high-scale MMO. Combine WoW and Farmville and you got a massive success in the making. You somehow get my mom and sister on an MMO...you see what I am getting at. Facebook is a success in all standards of the word "success"...as is WoW.
Facebook is not a fad. Facebook is the Wal-Mart of online socializing. It's not going away anytime soon...sound familar gamers?
I hope Blizzard has learned from the errors of using phasing; Cata sold well, then subs feel flat (IMO). So,
NO PHASING
NO PHASING
NO PHASING
And no forced storyling nonsense either. The world can have an overarching story or series of events going on, but leave the individual players free to roam, explore, and to carve out their own destinies. WOW got it right in Vanilla.
Less instancing, more shared and dynamic content. Leave the cutscenes for a movie.
Remember,
NO PHASING
NO PHASING
NO PHASING
Rofl its gonna be the opposite because the vast majority of players liked the phasing. Hell, even people who hate WoW liked the phasing portion.
Players do not need Facebook to be social with one another with our real life friends. We have cell phones, home phones and email for that. Also friends do not need to be with you 24/7 eveyday of your life. There is such a thing as privacy that people enjoy.
You'll be amazed at how life fullfiling it is when you go out with friends/family for coffee or dinner. It's important for people to remember they are human beings.
Spam, scams, third party spying and most importantly a 'social' site that in reality enhances anti social and isolationist behaviour.
Don't know what the mean by 'integrate' but I'll avoid the game if they oblige me to sign up.
i would rather to have msn integrated like lineage 2 did (i dunno if its stil there tho) so i play and chat with friends.... facebooking through a game is kinda meh... in time fb will become less popular when something else comes out and blizz will regret integrating it and will have to take it out lol
Players do not need Facebook to be social with one another with our real life friends. We have cell phones, home phones and email for that. Also friends do not need to be with you 24/7 eveyday of your life. There is such a thing as privacy that people enjoy.
You'll be amazed at how life fullfiling it is when you go out with friends/family for coffee or dinner. It's important for people to remember they are human beings.
Exactly my thoughts.
People nowadays would probably tweet to each other across the coffee table and change their Facebook status accordingly...shudders.
EDIT: Bejesus I sound old
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
No just no. I think it would be brilliant to involve Facebook in a high-scale MMO. Combine WoW and Farmville and you got a massive success in the making. You somehow get my mom and sister on an MMO...you see what I am getting at. Facebook is a success in all standards of the word "success"...as is WoW.
Facebook is not a fad. Facebook is the Wal-Mart of online socializing. It's not going away anytime soon...sound familar gamers?
I agree with your first two paragraphs completely. However, I completely disagree with your last paragraph. Facebook is a fad, just like Myspace. I consider the old Myspace to be superior to Facebook, because it gave you the ability to create your own website in a way, as long as you knew how to use HTML code. To me Facebook is like the streamlined Theme Park version of Myspace, whereas Myspace is the sandbox. Something is going to eventually replace Facebook. It probably hasn't been invented yet, but it will.
Mmos are social gaming, that was originally the point...
Actually nevermind mmo's are increasingly becoming more and more 'solo friendly' and whilst that's not a bad thing the shift towards more instancing/phasing and a general lesser needed for actual community interaction in the greater sense points to anything but an increase in 'social gaming'.
Adding facebook 'cliques' to this is certainly not what i'd consider an enhancement. But then, who am I to argue, it will no doubt be a massive success for them.
Okay so MMOG's are meant to be social gaming. Facebook is meant to be social networking. Why are you having such a hard time accepting that combining the two would increase the amount of social interaction? You'd have a ready made friend list on day-one.
Just a thought, but I read that Facebook is one of the top causes of divorce. Its so easy to contact old high school friends and ex-girlfriends/boyfriends. Just imagine having a virtual world integrated into it. A virtual place to meet, spend time together, share a home, actively courting another person and it would all be covered up by taking place in a game. I could see some really messed up stuff happening. A person could pretty much lead a double life in almost every way. I know this sort of thing already happens quite a bit, but a mainstream game integrated into Facebook could make it happen a lot more than it already does.
Players do not need Facebook to be social with one another with our real life friends. We have cell phones, home phones and email for that. Also friends do not need to be with you 24/7 eveyday of your life. There is such a thing as privacy that people enjoy.
You'll be amazed at how life fullfiling it is when you go out with friends/family for coffee or dinner. It's important for people to remember they are human beings.
Coffee means beer, right? I am with you 100% in that case.
Sending all time in front of a computer sucks. Do stuff with friends at least sometimes beats all hours in games and on FB. Play a boardgame or tabletop. Spend friday evning at the pub. Or just hang out a few people and do nothing...
Gaming is fun and social webpages like FB is a great way to keep in touch with people living far away. But there are other things in life as well and missing out on them is a shame. But it is your life of course...
Okay so MMOG's are meant to be social gaming. Facebook is meant to be social networking. Why are you having such a hard time accepting that combining the two would increase the amount of social interaction? You'd have a ready made friend list on day-one.
Or alternatively you could try and integrate yourself with people other than your facebook e-pals.
Just a thought, but I read that Facebook is one of the top causes of divorce. Its so easy to contact old high school friends and ex-girlfriends/boyfriends. Just imagine having a virtual world integrated into it. A virtual place to meet, spend time together, share a home, actively courting another person and it would all be covered up by taking place in a game. I could see some really messed up stuff happening. A person could pretty much lead a double life in almost every way. I know this sort of thing already happens quite a bit, but a mainstream game integrated into Facebook could make it happen a lot more than it already does.
Yeah, that sounds like a good thing....
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
A person could pretty much lead a double life in almost every way.
Isn't that the point of a MMORPG?
The difference being that you would be actively courting another person that you know in real life. They would be meeting there as a cover for their relationship. Granted, the differences are subtle, but try explaining to your wife that you are spending 3 hours everyday with your highschool sweetheart and that you have a home with a garden, pets, and go on dates every weekend. I don't think she would give a rat's ass about what the "point" of a MMORPG is.
Or alternatively you could try and integrate yourself with people other than your facebook e-pals.
Did you ever think that the opposite could be true? People would meet strangers in-game and become friends and then use the in-game tools to communicate on Facebook? Not only do your real life friends become in-game friends, but yoru in-game friends could become your real life friends.
The difference being that you would be actively courting another person that you know in real life. They would be meeting there as a cover for their relationship. Granted, the differences are subtle, but try explaining to your wife that you are spending 3 hours everyday with your highschool sweetheart and that you have a home with a garden, pets, and go on dates every weekend. I don't think she would give a rat's ass about what the "point" of a MMORPG is.
If people want to cheat on their relationship, they probably aren't going to use a MMO to do it. Instead, they'd more or less probably use a tool that is designed for people to meet other people around their area, like Craigslist. Playing a MMORPG with your high school sweetheart is at most intimate and commitment cheating, but you cannot passion-cheat on someone using a video game.
Or alternatively you could try and integrate yourself with people other than your facebook e-pals.
Did you ever think that the opposite could be true? People would meet strangers in-game and become friends and then use the in-game tools to communicate on Facebook? Not only do your real life friends become in-game friends, but yoru in-game friends could become your real life friends.
Or you could give your new ig buddies your email/msn/whatever anyway without the need for the games company to jump on the social network bandwagon for some obvious marketing tie in. Just a thought.
And tbh, I don't want my 'real life' friends to be my ig pals, i'm quite happy just keeping it as it is and ringing them up on the phone to go to the pub.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Blizzard let me down with the Cataclysm announcement and I quit before its release. If this new MMO is fully focused on social gaming/facebook as much as wow has gone to kid friendly/PVE count me out.
The fact that it *might* intergrate facebook is a bad sign IMO.
Why use facebook anyway? The only people that use facebook are the one's looking for a mate anyhow.
Sorry but this facebook fad is absurdly over-rated. I know not one person that I game with that uses facebook.
Just about everyone I know is on Facebook, even my gamer friends, the only people I know that aren't on Facebook are over the age of 50, and even then most of those people are on Facebook too (i.e. My parents). It's not a dating site, the site has many uses, my high school class is using it to organize our 10 year reunion. I use the site to keep up to date on friends that live in the city I used to live in, but had to move away from.
I do agree that if the game incorporates Facebook too much it's going to get stupid. There are certain things that I wouldn't mind, like say my character hits level 85, the game asks me if I want to post it to my Facebook, and I click "Yes", it does it. That's cool with me, but that's about the full extent of what I would like it to do.
LOL they will take all the best features from Farmville and make a new exciting game!
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
The only thing that annoys me in regards to phasing is when you try to herb or mine and the node disappears on you while you gather it. Then when you take a few steps back, it appears again to taunt you.
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Only a small fraction of MMO players do that, and I doubt that Facebook-utilities would significantly increase the amount. I believe this will only enhance social gaming, not hinder it.
Mmos are social gaming, that was originally the point...
Actually nevermind mmo's are increasingly becoming more and more 'solo friendly' and whilst that's not a bad thing the shift towards more instancing/phasing and a general lesser needed for actual community interaction in the greater sense points to anything but an increase in 'social gaming'.
Adding facebook 'cliques' to this is certainly not what i'd consider an enhancement. But then, who am I to argue, it will no doubt be a massive success for them.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Players do not need Facebook to be social with one another with our real life friends. We have cell phones, home phones and email for that. Also friends do not need to be with you 24/7 eveyday of your life. There is such a thing as privacy that people enjoy.
I deleted FB awhile ago.
Spam, scams, third party spying and most importantly a 'social' site that in reality enhances anti social and isolationist behaviour.
Don't know what the mean by 'integrate' but I'll avoid the game if they oblige me to sign up.
Wow, that is exactly the opposite on how I assume it will be. Particualrly based on "play with your close friends" thing.
To me that sounds a lot like instancing to me, in about the same level Guildwars have.
We should of course not put too uch credit in a short comment like that but I doubt Blizzard will change things back to vanilla days. Assume more of the same.
Did Wow really loose so many subs after CATAs launch? And if they did, don't you think it can be because the game is getting really old instead of some misstake with stuff like instancing?
Cut scenes is a great tool for devs, as long as they don't overuse them. If you only get cut scenes rarely and in important cases it helps to set the mood. It is when you Dragon age them in our faces that they suck.
You'll be amazed at how life fullfiling it is when you go out with friends/family for coffee or dinner. It's important for people to remember they are human beings.
What?!
No just no. I think it would be brilliant to involve Facebook in a high-scale MMO. Combine WoW and Farmville and you got a massive success in the making. You somehow get my mom and sister on an MMO...you see what I am getting at. Facebook is a success in all standards of the word "success"...as is WoW.
Facebook is not a fad. Facebook is the Wal-Mart of online socializing. It's not going away anytime soon...sound familar gamers?
Rofl its gonna be the opposite because the vast majority of players liked the phasing. Hell, even people who hate WoW liked the phasing portion.
Exactly my thoughts.
i would rather to have msn integrated like lineage 2 did (i dunno if its stil there tho) so i play and chat with friends.... facebooking through a game is kinda meh... in time fb will become less popular when something else comes out and blizz will regret integrating it and will have to take it out lol
People nowadays would probably tweet to each other across the coffee table and change their Facebook status accordingly...shudders.
EDIT: Bejesus I sound old
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
I agree with your first two paragraphs completely. However, I completely disagree with your last paragraph. Facebook is a fad, just like Myspace. I consider the old Myspace to be superior to Facebook, because it gave you the ability to create your own website in a way, as long as you knew how to use HTML code. To me Facebook is like the streamlined Theme Park version of Myspace, whereas Myspace is the sandbox. Something is going to eventually replace Facebook. It probably hasn't been invented yet, but it will.
Okay so MMOG's are meant to be social gaming. Facebook is meant to be social networking. Why are you having such a hard time accepting that combining the two would increase the amount of social interaction? You'd have a ready made friend list on day-one.
Just a thought, but I read that Facebook is one of the top causes of divorce. Its so easy to contact old high school friends and ex-girlfriends/boyfriends. Just imagine having a virtual world integrated into it. A virtual place to meet, spend time together, share a home, actively courting another person and it would all be covered up by taking place in a game. I could see some really messed up stuff happening. A person could pretty much lead a double life in almost every way. I know this sort of thing already happens quite a bit, but a mainstream game integrated into Facebook could make it happen a lot more than it already does.
Coffee means beer, right? I am with you 100% in that case.
Sending all time in front of a computer sucks. Do stuff with friends at least sometimes beats all hours in games and on FB. Play a boardgame or tabletop. Spend friday evning at the pub. Or just hang out a few people and do nothing...
Gaming is fun and social webpages like FB is a great way to keep in touch with people living far away. But there are other things in life as well and missing out on them is a shame. But it is your life of course...
Isn't that the point of a MMORPG?
I'm not down with real life integration to my video games - especially Facebook.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
The difference being that you would be actively courting another person that you know in real life. They would be meeting there as a cover for their relationship. Granted, the differences are subtle, but try explaining to your wife that you are spending 3 hours everyday with your highschool sweetheart and that you have a home with a garden, pets, and go on dates every weekend. I don't think she would give a rat's ass about what the "point" of a MMORPG is.
Did you ever think that the opposite could be true? People would meet strangers in-game and become friends and then use the in-game tools to communicate on Facebook? Not only do your real life friends become in-game friends, but yoru in-game friends could become your real life friends.
If people want to cheat on their relationship, they probably aren't going to use a MMO to do it. Instead, they'd more or less probably use a tool that is designed for people to meet other people around their area, like Craigslist. Playing a MMORPG with your high school sweetheart is at most intimate and commitment cheating, but you cannot passion-cheat on someone using a video game.
Or you could give your new ig buddies your email/msn/whatever anyway without the need for the games company to jump on the social network bandwagon for some obvious marketing tie in. Just a thought.
And tbh, I don't want my 'real life' friends to be my ig pals, i'm quite happy just keeping it as it is and ringing them up on the phone to go to the pub.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Blizzard let me down with the Cataclysm announcement and I quit before its release. If this new MMO is fully focused on social gaming/facebook as much as wow has gone to kid friendly/PVE count me out.
Just about everyone I know is on Facebook, even my gamer friends, the only people I know that aren't on Facebook are over the age of 50, and even then most of those people are on Facebook too (i.e. My parents). It's not a dating site, the site has many uses, my high school class is using it to organize our 10 year reunion. I use the site to keep up to date on friends that live in the city I used to live in, but had to move away from.
I do agree that if the game incorporates Facebook too much it's going to get stupid. There are certain things that I wouldn't mind, like say my character hits level 85, the game asks me if I want to post it to my Facebook, and I click "Yes", it does it. That's cool with me, but that's about the full extent of what I would like it to do.
LOL they will take all the best features from Farmville and make a new exciting game!
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
The only thing that annoys me in regards to phasing is when you try to herb or mine and the node disappears on you while you gather it. Then when you take a few steps back, it appears again to taunt you.
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