Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
SONY sued for C$1billion OMGF
Reizla
Member RarePosts: 4,092
Just saw this article on GameSpot. Insane amount claimed IMO...
Less than a week after the first PlayStation Network-related class action suit was filed against Sony, a second legal claim has been initiated. While the first didn't ask for a specific amount, the second is quite clear on how much it wants from Sony--at least 1 billion dollars in damages.
Canadian Natasha Maksimovic thinks Sony owes C$1 billion in damages to PSN users.
But those aren't US dollars, they're Canadian ones.
The second suit was announced on Monday by the Toronto law firm of McPhadden Samac Tuovi LLP, with Sony Canada, Sony USA, and "other Sony entities" being named as defendants. The firm has commenced the proposed class action on behalf of 21-year-old Mississauga, Ontario resident Natasha Maksimovic. Described as a years-long PlayStation user, the lawsuit quotes Maksimovic as being outraged by the PSN outage and subsequent data breach.
"If you can't trust a huge multi-national corporation like Sony to protect your private information, who can you trust?" asked Maksimovic in a statement. "It appears to me that Sony focuses more on protecting its games than its PlayStation users."
The class action proposes the C$1 billion ($1.04 billion) in damages be used to pay for "costs of credit monitoring services and fraud insurance coverage for two years." It was unclear if the amount would only be applied to the cost of the 1 million Canadian PSN users affected by the still-ongoing outage, or all the 78 million global PSN users whose information may have been exposed.
As of press time, Sony had not responded to requests for comment
Comments
Oh Canada, you did it again
I'd imagine its a negotiating position and will settle a lot lower.
Chins
The amount doesn't make sence. If it's only for the Canadian 1 million users they are asking 1000 dollars/person, which is ridiculous sum. If they're asking 1 billion to share between all 72 million who had their info taken, it's less than 15 dollars/person and less than I'd except them to ask.
and you're only counting dollar for dollar, i bet that lawyer fee is 30% or more. thats the thing about class action suit the people usually don't get shit after the lawer takes thier cut. and you're counting on every single one of those people signing up for it, just because a suit is filed against them doesn't mean everyone will participate in it. some may wait and see and if they win, go after them with their own lawyer for a bigger individual sum in a seperate case.
Here's the thing, and the same reason I am NOT MAD with soe...
Rules are made to be broken. Security is made to be breached. IF someone couldn't challenge "measures", all invested resource would be frivolous.
But it's not frivolous. There are capable humans who will crack or break any "door". If you work as a security guard, the first thing they teach you is , "call the police". Why? Because if someone wants something from your "secure environment", they do it with the understanding those "aspects" are in place. Fighting only risks the health of the "defending" individual.
Can someone entirely protect what they like? NO. The US gov't will tell you every day people try to work them. Sometimes they succeed. It's a tribute to human ingenuity, but at the same time it's too bad.
SOE is a victim here. You must believe they did, in all good faith, attempt to protect said information. You must understand if an insightful individual wanted to work that, it's possible. It's why we have police and insurance.
Watch your personal accounts, as you should anyway. Any attempt at civil action will be dropped. Sorry to crash the dreams of all the douchebags who want to work the system. Your disingenuous methods are too little, too late compared to the real criminals who perpetrated this whole mess. Sit down, shut up, drop out... and waste your second-rate lawyers' time.
Yes and no... SOE is indeed the victim of a digital theft. There I agree with you. Did SOE take every measure to protect the information stolen? In Firewalls and applications, I bet they do, and as you said, doors are ment to be broken and tested on their security.
But where SOE lacked in security was not to encrypt our personal data in the database. Every company should use WHAT IF scenario's. WHAT IF our firewall & application security is breached - The database is vulnorable. As a logical result, you should take extra security measures on the database. Either an extra layer of security applications (doubt that'd work if they're already inside - will only slow them down) or encryp the data...
And when the data was (partly) encrupted, the hackers probably can't use the database at all. After all, 100 million encrypted data to decrypt, I'd love to see that happen. Yeah, sure it'll happen, but it'd take a very long time for the hackers to get around the encryption anyway...
So yes, I think SONY is indeed to blame for our personal identity data to be 'on the street' now...
Overall the case will probably be dismissed or the price heavily reduced because that is not the "cost of credit monitoring service and fraud insurance coverage for two years." Not by a long shit.
It's like the lawyers in that law firm literally pulled out their shlongs and smacked it against a calculator a few times and decided on the biggest arbitrary number the calculator could handle.
It must have been an expensive scientific one because a regular calculator only goes up to like 9 digits.
I think you are ok, but your conclusions are out of your league. I respect your opinion, but no one will ever find in favor of your argument. Case in point, bring the top cyber-security reps from the US gov't as witnesses. They will tell you, people try every day... stopping it every day requires a virtually bottomless pool of resource... the best anyone can do sometimes is investigate and catch the offender.
IT's like you're arguing "why do jewelery stores get robbed?" or even "why does corruption exist?". YOU stand outside that jewelery store every day, and tell me, when it happens, why the place got ganked... will you feel like a failure? should people sue you? i dunno... did you do the best you could?
Nice of you to begin about the jewelry store. I've posted a similar thing about having $1.000.000 at home... Lets look at that jewelry store a bit closer...
The jewelry store most likely has some security measures - A guard, a vault, or even a locked door that has to be opened from the inside so you see (and record on tape) the customer before they come in. Nothing wrong with that, and enough security you'd say... Now a thief gets in the sore somehow, and grabs all the jewelry from the counter, because they just lie there, not behind reinforced glass or in a vault.
I would not sue that jeweler when I stood outside, just because I happened to be there.
It would be different if the jeweler had a piece of jewelry of me to repair, and he left that on the counter for the grab as well. He can have guards and locked doors whatever the store owner wants, but leaving the jewelry for the grab if they're inside, you're right to sue them!
Same thing with SOE. See the guard and locked as the firewall and applications for external security. Now someone gets in and the data is open and for the grab. No extra security whatsoever! Same as with the jewelrystore, I can sue SOE for not enough protection of my property (being my complete identity), which I entrusted them with...
Well you bet wrong. Because they didn't take every measure to protect the information stolen.
They were running out-of-date server software on an out-of-date operating system that had known security holes. Had they properly updated their software this wouldn't have happened.
It is hard to update enterprises, this is understandable. Nobody wants to take a risk updating software that millions of people use on a daily basis only to find an error which slows or takes down whole entire network services.
However, this does not mean that you should ignore multiple stable (and I mean ROCK HARD stable) updates of your software. Or at least not patch known vulnerabilities with your in house developers. This is what Sony did., and this is the consequence of their actions.
This is not the "same thing". You are not capable to quantify the "same thing".
Also, you missed the analogy when I implied, "YOU protect this".
This part made me laugh, tho. Thanks.
"See the guard and locked as the firewall and application for..."... please shut up.
Really? 1990s much? Damn. Haha. What do you think internet security "sees" in real time?!? A flow chart of red blinking boxes?
{mod edit}
I speak for everyone when i say lets pray for SOE to die.
And they also have to worry about a future US lawsuit, too?
That sucks.
You aren't speaking for me so I guess it's not everyone.
Sony is not to blame? wha wha wha what? Are you John Smedley?
hope sony dies and i have 2 reasons for that.
sony wont make future mmos that could have been great unfinished and boring.
sony`s currently games could be taken over by another company that does it right
just think of what vanguard could have been under another publisher i think all posts wouldnt be here about how every game is a WoW clone but how every game is a Vanguard clone if you get what i mean
Do they have the standing to initiate a lawsuit? No one has been damaged, yet, and I'm not sure you can sue for potential damage.
For example, if you go eat at a restaurant and their food is contaminated with some disease. Some people get it and some don't. Obvious the people who get the disease can sue, as they have standing. You haven't got it yet, but you are worried and spend the money to see a doctor. I don't think you can sue for medical bills.
Not sure, any armchair a lawyers want to weigh in?
Bill Gates and his Cybergoons...=)
"Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day!"
Haha to bad they won't win a dime, losers.
"Ohhh SOE brought down my precious PSN for a couple weeks to best resolve the issues, rebuild the network and implement enhanced security features so something like this will never happen again! WHAAAAAAA! Terrible company!! Can't be trusted!
What's that? They're only giving us a free month of PSN Plus and some downloadable content for free? SHIFTY ASSHOLES!!
1 billion bones bitches! PAY UP!"
I think you are looking at this the wrong way. SOE is liable and SOE / Sony Customer's are the victims. The only reason this will cost SOE / Sony money is because people are pissed and filing in the courts. If people did not react to the incident, then it would not cost SOE / Sony a penny and the customers would still suffer some form of ID theft at some point in time.
Granted to assume that SOE / Sony were negligent is not right and that is not a reason to not investigate that potential.
Then you have to look at all the facts, like
SOE / Sony recently had Layoffs
SOE / Sony have been suspect for not keeping security measures current in the past
SOE / Sony have been suspect for predatory actions with their products / services in the past
All those facts to me indicate a corporate culture of cutting corners for the sake of proffit. Then throw out there some disgruntled employees and you have a recipe for disaster for SOE / Sony. IE, they pink slipped people that would have intimate knowledge of SOE / Sony's lack of security and failed to take appropriate measures to insure their security regarding outside threats.
In my opinion, SOE / Sony got caught with their pants down for cutting corners by people that they ticked off and they deserve every possible penalty that comes with it. I personally have zero sympathy for Sony as a whole as a company that has an obvious corporate culture that nolonger cares about the quality of the services and products they provide.
The majority of you are chicken little extremists. Kudos to those who are actually keeping their head about this whole unfortunate affair.
Heres a snippet...
"All of the data was protected, and access was restricted both physically and through the perimeter and security of the network. The entire credit card table was encrypted and we have no evidence that credit card data was taken. The personal data table, which is a separate data set, was not encrypted, but was, of course, behind a very sophisticated security system that was breached in a malicious attack," Sony says it in its FAQ."
So our CC info is encrypted, the personal data was not. They do elude to the system safeguarding the personal data as being very sophisticated, which basicly spells out that they didn't think it would be breached as it was.
So get off your high horses .. Hindsight is 20/20 and I promise that if the personal data had been encrypted the majority of you would be claiming their systems weren't adequate enough or some other nonsense.
Now ... Feel free to continue panicing and ranting in these threads.
Remember ... its cool to hate SoE.
P.S -- SWGModAlpha : I keep my tinfoil cap in my nightstand, the wife loves it.
Meh. Just some people after some quick cash.
My theme song.
Look. We can all sit here and wax rhapsody about who's at fault, who's to blame, what might or might not was used/has been done.
The fact of the matter is, PSN/SOE was in fact hacked, breached and a good deal of personal information taken. Those are the facts. Right now, there are two sets of victims. The first is Sony itself because they were hacked regardless of what kind of equipment they had. The second set are the 77 million people who's private information was accessed.
The other set of facts is that regardless whether its smart, dumb, right or wrong, Sony is being sued with civil action lawsuits. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. We can be mad, jump up and down, beat each other over the head, and calling each other 'fanbois' or trolls or tools or whatever. But that doesn't maket he situation any better.
All we can do is wait and see what happens. Maybe something will happen. Maybe SOE will take the big fall and those that despise SOE will dance for joy. Maybe nothing will happen and things will eventually go back to normal.
The worst thing anyone can do is conjecture and bash one another. Just take a deep breath and prepare for what MIGHT happen.
Remember, every great con-artist always has a backup plan.