Yes there is..Lack of Computer Power -(memory). Computers are 100 times more powerful than a console could ever be unless they made one with the same hardware as a good computer and that would cost you alot of money for it. It would make more sence just to hook your computer up to a TV and use a Computer controler.
Yes there is..Lack of Computer Power -(memory). Computers are 100 times more powerful than a console could ever be unless they made one with the same hardware as a good computer and that would cost you alot of money for it. It would make more sence just to hook your computer up to a TV and use a Computer controler.
not true
scientists have been using PS3s as a cheap Super computer
Yes there is..Lack of Computer Power -(memory). Computers are 100 times more powerful than a console could ever be unless they made one with the same hardware as a good computer and that would cost you alot of money for it. It would make more sence just to hook your computer up to a TV and use a Computer controler.
Forgive my massive misspelling. I am tired and just noticed. *lol!*
Yes there is..Lack of Computer Power -(memory). Computers are 100 times more powerful than a console could ever be unless they made one with the same hardware as a good computer and that would cost you alot of money for it. It would make more sence just to hook your computer up to a TV and use a Computer controler.
not true
scientists have been using PS3s as a cheap Super computer
Wow. Scientist have been using a ps3 as a "super computer" huh? Well i own a ps3 and it sucks balls. And why would scientist use a ps3? Are they lacking in funds to where they have to use a cheap want to be computer?
Yes there is..Lack of Computer Power -(memory). Computers are 100 times more powerful than a console could ever be unless they made one with the same hardware as a good computer and that would cost you alot of money for it. It would make more sence just to hook your computer up to a TV and use a Computer controler.
not true
scientists have been using PS3s as a cheap Super computer
Wow. Scientist have been using a ps3 as a "super computer" huh? Well i own a ps3 and it sucks balls. And why would scientist use a ps3? Are they lacking in funds to where they have to use a cheap want to be computer?
The are using them because the overall processing power or the PS3, AND the Xbox 360 are better than my computer, and a lot of other ones. I can play most mmo's (not all) without a problem. My xbox also came with a 250 gb HDD just so all you people know that it is no longer an issue of space keeping MMO's off the consoles. I think you should look up the specs on the systems so you understand a little better before making random statements about how terrible they are.
1: compared to PC gaming, console gaming is cheap, you can spend the same amount of money and get an awesome TV, a ps3 and xbox 360 that you would spend on a "decent" gaming PC. Around $1500-2000.
That works only if you do not use your PC for stuff other than gaming. If you use a PC for work or school, the cost of upgrading it to a 'gaming' standard is not that much.
I believe the Sony PS3 has DCO which is a MMO with Persistent world. Correct me if I am wrong there.
But is there something different about sony network/hardware that allow them to do this, but not the 360/wii?
Because MMO's on a console suck?
The limited control scheme that you're stuck with on a console makes everything too clunky and difficult to use. DCUO is more like a single player game that you occasionally see random players run by you because it's such an ass whip to communicate with other players. Navigation and using the UI sucks too...
Yes there is..Lack of Computer Power -(memory). Computers are 100 times more powerful than a console could ever be unless they made one with the same hardware as a good computer and that would cost you alot of money for it. It would make more sence just to hook your computer up to a TV and use a Computer controler.
not true
scientists have been using PS3s as a cheap Super computer
Wow. Scientist have been using a ps3 as a "super computer" huh? Well i own a ps3 and it sucks balls. And why would scientist use a ps3? Are they lacking in funds to where they have to use a cheap want to be computer?
Its more complex than that...
"Computers are 100 times more powerful than a console"
At doing what? rendering frames or solving equations?
From my knoledge the ps2/3 supercomputer is just a cluster of consoles working together to process data/solve a problem. Doesnt help you rendering a frame does it? Computers and consoles have diffrent hardware architecture and instruction sets, each have their own characteristics..
I dont know if you guys remember, but back when the ps2 was released, it was restricted from sale from a few countries because of the fear their emotion engine could be used for targeting weapon systems in war torn countries.
On a side note, final fantasy 11 was on the ps2. which concludes yes it it possible, and yes it has been done.
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Not to sound elitist or anything, but the gamers are preventing it.
MMOs tend to be designed for gamers who play more. In part of that, a lot of them have monthly subscriptions which require a lot of game time played per month to justify the payment.
Console gamers tend to be more casual and less consistent in their gameplay, which doesn't mesh well with the general MMO concept as it is today.
Not to sound elitist or anything, but the gamers are preventing it.
MMOs tend to be designed for gamers who play more. In part of that, a lot of them have monthly subscriptions which require a lot of game time played per month to justify the payment.
Console gamers tend to be more casual and less consistent in their gameplay, which doesn't mesh well with the general MMO concept as it is today.
Quoted for truth.
Hit the nail on the head I think. I don't think as many casual console gamers would appreciated the level of freedom a no boundries MMO affords the player. That combined with the technological restraints makes a good case against having this kind of MMO on a console.
There is nothing technically preventing consoles from having MMOs with Persistent worlds. Performance is not an issue when games are optimized properly for the console.
Control schemes are only as problematic as the developers try and make them be. Any regular MMO UI can be used on a console, but developers feel like players would lack the understanding of switching between a locked an unlocked mouse pointer.
In many developers attempts to simplify the UI, they actually make it tougher to navigate.
The 360s main issue with persistent world MMOs is microsofts unwillingness to work with developers. We've seen quite a few MMOs work to be developed for the 360 that would run on the hardware just fine, but fell apart once they got close enough to have Microsoft involved.
I believe the Sony PS3 has DCO which is a MMO with Persistent world. Correct me if I am wrong there.
But is there something different about sony network/hardware that allow them to do this, but not the 360/wii?
It used to be hardware, taking into account that MMORPG use to offer allot.
Today, while plenty of MMORPG's still offer plenty, what they offer is actually very limited, no more 24 or 34 classes, hardly any housing, very instanced....so sure they will eventually become more popular and more made for console's
I believe the Sony PS3 has DCO which is a MMO with Persistent world. Correct me if I am wrong there.
But is there something different about sony network/hardware that allow them to do this, but not the 360/wii?
It used to be hardware, taking into account that MMORPG use to offer allot.
Today, while plenty of MMORPG's still offer plenty, what they offer is actually very limited, no more 24 or 34 classes, hardly any housing, very instanced....so sure they will eventually become more popular and more made for console's
DCUO isnt really a very good example as its a 'limited world' type of MMO.. if you take WoW for an example.. its beyond present consoles hardware/software limitations.. if anything.. the most common complaint about any game - offline games especially.. is that the games are 'bad console ports' its not often games are developed for the PC, the downside is that any game that to develop a game that utilises the PC's strengths, its inevitably at the expense of having a console version, which not many developers are willing to do.. even on present games that do support consoles, there is a fairly clear differentiation between the platforms, with the PC versions often being graphically superior to the others, though lately it seems the PS3 is having a bad time (nothing to do with the PSN network!) and game resolutions on the PS3 are often lower than even those on the XBOX.. (Black Ops for example) though that may be due to the problems inherent with coding for the PS3.. its not as straight forward by all accounts, though there are quite a few claims that the PS3 can be made to be graphically superior to the XBOX.. im guessing that the reason it isnt is because to do so would also be far more time consuming.. .. but whatever the reasons.. in terms of MMO's and its not like there are all that many.. (console compatable) it does look like its heavy on the instances or no go.. any MMO that has any real size to the games world.. just won't fit on a console (PS3 only has 256 mb of Ram for instance) and thats before you go into the problems with.. they can't be run off of a DVD/Blu Ray device.. and have to be installed onto a harddrive.. can't see any games developers out there not having their game world not evolve after all.. or bits 'tweaked' here and there.. so until at least the next generation of consoles.. or possibly even beyond that.. the PC is the only real platform for MMO's..
Yes, its called common sense & big business is afraid to try new things.
That & most of you have yet to figue out that you can in fact plug USB devices into your XBOX. You know things like a KEYBOARD, a MOUSE maybe even EXTERNAL HARD DRIVES.
Also the XBOX does have an MMO, although it's not a very good game. It's called Phantasy star universe.
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Yes there is..Lack of Computer Power -(memory). Computers are 100 times more powerful than a console could ever be unless they made one with the same hardware as a good computer and that would cost you alot of money for it. It would make more sence just to hook your computer up to a TV and use a Computer controler.
not true
scientists have been using PS3s as a cheap Super computer
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2007/10/ps3_supercomputer
How the PS3 Helped Build the World's Fastest Supercomputer
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/4267979
EQ2 fan sites
Forgive my massive misspelling. I am tired and just noticed. *lol!*
Wow. Scientist have been using a ps3 as a "super computer" huh? Well i own a ps3 and it sucks balls. And why would scientist use a ps3? Are they lacking in funds to where they have to use a cheap want to be computer?
The are using them because the overall processing power or the PS3, AND the Xbox 360 are better than my computer, and a lot of other ones. I can play most mmo's (not all) without a problem. My xbox also came with a 250 gb HDD just so all you people know that it is no longer an issue of space keeping MMO's off the consoles. I think you should look up the specs on the systems so you understand a little better before making random statements about how terrible they are.
Wouldn't have to be, look at the new Digimon MMO.
Obviously a Pokemon MMO would be different and more sophisticated, but thats a good start right there for a game like Pokemon to not be turnbased.
I don't mean to sound big headed... But I know Voldemort.
That works only if you do not use your PC for stuff other than gaming. If you use a PC for work or school, the cost of upgrading it to a 'gaming' standard is not that much.
Because MMO's on a console suck?
The limited control scheme that you're stuck with on a console makes everything too clunky and difficult to use. DCUO is more like a single player game that you occasionally see random players run by you because it's such an ass whip to communicate with other players. Navigation and using the UI sucks too...
Its more complex than that...
"Computers are 100 times more powerful than a console"
At doing what? rendering frames or solving equations?
From my knoledge the ps2/3 supercomputer is just a cluster of consoles working together to process data/solve a problem. Doesnt help you rendering a frame does it? Computers and consoles have diffrent hardware architecture and instruction sets, each have their own characteristics..
I dont know if you guys remember, but back when the ps2 was released, it was restricted from sale from a few countries because of the fear their emotion engine could be used for targeting weapon systems in war torn countries.
On a side note, final fantasy 11 was on the ps2. which concludes yes it it possible, and yes it has been done.
TSW - AoC - Aion - WOW - EVE - Fallen Earth - Co - Rift - || XNA C# Java Development
Space, and control scheme would... BLOWWWW HARD, atleast in my opinion
Not to sound elitist or anything, but the gamers are preventing it.
MMOs tend to be designed for gamers who play more. In part of that, a lot of them have monthly subscriptions which require a lot of game time played per month to justify the payment.
Console gamers tend to be more casual and less consistent in their gameplay, which doesn't mesh well with the general MMO concept as it is today.
Quoted for truth.
Hit the nail on the head I think. I don't think as many casual console gamers would appreciated the level of freedom a no boundries MMO affords the player. That combined with the technological restraints makes a good case against having this kind of MMO on a console.
There is nothing technically preventing consoles from having MMOs with Persistent worlds. Performance is not an issue when games are optimized properly for the console.
Control schemes are only as problematic as the developers try and make them be. Any regular MMO UI can be used on a console, but developers feel like players would lack the understanding of switching between a locked an unlocked mouse pointer.
In many developers attempts to simplify the UI, they actually make it tougher to navigate.
The 360s main issue with persistent world MMOs is microsofts unwillingness to work with developers. We've seen quite a few MMOs work to be developed for the 360 that would run on the hardware just fine, but fell apart once they got close enough to have Microsoft involved.
It used to be hardware, taking into account that MMORPG use to offer allot.
Today, while plenty of MMORPG's still offer plenty, what they offer is actually very limited, no more 24 or 34 classes, hardly any housing, very instanced....so sure they will eventually become more popular and more made for console's
Console players.
DCUO isnt really a very good example as its a 'limited world' type of MMO.. if you take WoW for an example.. its beyond present consoles hardware/software limitations.. if anything.. the most common complaint about any game - offline games especially.. is that the games are 'bad console ports' its not often games are developed for the PC, the downside is that any game that to develop a game that utilises the PC's strengths, its inevitably at the expense of having a console version, which not many developers are willing to do.. even on present games that do support consoles, there is a fairly clear differentiation between the platforms, with the PC versions often being graphically superior to the others, though lately it seems the PS3 is having a bad time (nothing to do with the PSN network!) and game resolutions on the PS3 are often lower than even those on the XBOX.. (Black Ops for example) though that may be due to the problems inherent with coding for the PS3.. its not as straight forward by all accounts, though there are quite a few claims that the PS3 can be made to be graphically superior to the XBOX.. im guessing that the reason it isnt is because to do so would also be far more time consuming.. .. but whatever the reasons.. in terms of MMO's and its not like there are all that many.. (console compatable) it does look like its heavy on the instances or no go.. any MMO that has any real size to the games world.. just won't fit on a console (PS3 only has 256 mb of Ram for instance) and thats before you go into the problems with.. they can't be run off of a DVD/Blu Ray device.. and have to be installed onto a harddrive.. can't see any games developers out there not having their game world not evolve after all.. or bits 'tweaked' here and there.. so until at least the next generation of consoles.. or possibly even beyond that.. the PC is the only real platform for MMO's..
Yes, its called common sense & big business is afraid to try new things.
That & most of you have yet to figue out that you can in fact plug USB devices into your XBOX. You know things like a KEYBOARD, a MOUSE maybe even EXTERNAL HARD DRIVES.
Also the XBOX does have an MMO, although it's not a very good game. It's called Phantasy star universe.