UO is *way* over hyped. Just like Diablo 2. and I Don't know what you men by complete but if you mean "stable" and "Polished" well then I recommend WoW.Easy to get into, Grea for the Newbie(since obviously you have been playing UO for the last couple of years you would need a newb friendly game) but also great for the hardcore.This is the best I can recommend right now.All the other MMO's out right now are too "StereoTypical".
Dark Age Of Camelot is quite polished and the newest additions such as Catacombs and Frontiers had successful launches. The game has been around for years so you know that the devs have put their heart and soul into it.
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
Originally posted by knives22 UO is *way* over hyped. Just like Diablo 2. and I Don't know what you men by complete but if you mean "stable" and "Polished" well then I recommend WoW.Easy to get into, Grea for the Newbie(since obviously you have been playing UO for the last couple of years you would need a newb friendly game) but also great for the hardcore.This is the best I can recommend right now.All the other MMO's out right now are too "StereoTypical".
He already tried that. WoW is fun, but Stable is not a word I would associate with it..much less compelte. Give it a couple years and it will be a much different game.
First of all, old English timeline=suq. The whole sword/sorcery scene has been done to death, medieval games are just overdone, buried, beaten to death.
Second of all, technically the game was horrible even for the year in which it was released. I played UO 1 month after release, it looked bad, it sounded bad, and there were 500 naked people at the city gates fightclubbing.
Thirdly, there is more crafting in Eve than there ever was in UO. Every thing you craft here is not just useful but necessary to survival. Ammo, missiles, drones, ships, pretty much everything is player-made, player-bought and player-owned. There are no professions, everybody can do everything, it just takes training and resources.
And fourthly let me say again how much sword and sorcery sucks. It just does. The 70's are over, the society for creative anachronism are tards, live-action role play is dead, speaking in Shakespearian olde English, and hearing those annoying flutes in taverns, its all just dead, Jim.
Think Terminator, Nuclear Weapons, Nerve Gas, Black Ops, Space Marines, Space Combat, Hacking, it's just awesome.
Anyway, if you like UO, give Eve a try, its the best thing since sliced bread.
played eve for 2 months - good game but combat sucks, and theres too little customization for me. I play swg now - i get twitch fighting (with a joystick) in space, AND i can land on planets and explore those.
In eve you cant "own" anything, or customize anything - and when you fight its just clicking attacka nd reloading your weapons (the better ship with better weps wins 99% of the time too). I dunno, the crafting and market system in eve are top notch though. Just... too boring having to wit for skills, i preffer grinding when i need to. I made 100mil isk in the 2 months i played and got bored.
haha i jsut find it ironic that the first post dude wanted a game as complete as UO, and ended up going to GW - man will he be in for a surprise - when youve played uo nothing comapres to the depth and gameplay - not wow, not swg, not eve, and certainly not GW hehehe
Originally posted by deides haha i jsut find it ironic that the first post dude wanted a game as complete as UO, and ended up going to GW - man will he be in for a surprise - when youve played uo nothing comapres to the depth and gameplay - not wow, not swg, not eve, and certainly not GW hehehe
Yes you are right, I am not sure that was the best decision after couple of days it does not seem to be too much deep game, but I have not had time enought to get a final impression B
you cant play a mmorpg for 1-2 years and not take a break at some point. No matter how good UO is, you still need to take a break, and freshen up with another game for a bit. I've left uo a few times,a nd always came back simply because its the best game there is (if only people would look beyond the graphics hehe)
so yeah, enjoy gw, it might giev you the kinda break you need. but if youre looking for a mmoRPG then youll end up going back to uo no matter what
Originally posted by deides you know what i realized dude? you cant play a mmorpg for 1-2 years and not take a break at some point. No matter how good UO is, you still need to take a break, and freshen up with another game for a bit. I've left uo a few times,a nd always came back simply because its the best game there is (if only people would look beyond the graphics hehe) so yeah, enjoy gw, it might giev you the kinda break you need. but if youre looking for a mmoRPG then youll end up going back to uo no matter what
Originally posted by deides haha i jsut find it ironic that the first post dude wanted a game as complete as UO, and ended up going to GW - man will he be in for a surprise - when youve played uo nothing comapres to the depth and gameplay - not wow, not swg, not eve, and certainly not GW hehehe
Yes you are right, I am not sure that was the best decision after couple of days it does not seem to be too much deep game, but I have not had time enought to get a final impression B
*sigh*
I do not know why you say you like UO soo much and then get scared of looking at SWG which is unofficially UO2. All the UO game DEVs are the same people who made SWG.
Maybe you can exchange the GW box for a SWG box LOL!
Originally posted by ferthala Hi all, I need a bit of help looking for a new mmorpg to buy. I have been playing Ultima Online for huge ammount of time, and for me it is probably the best game ever. What I love from it is the huge ammount of different things you can do. It is a never ending lovely experience. But UO is quite old fashioned from the graphics point of view, so I decided to move to a new game. I have tried world of warcraft up to lvl 60, but I did not like it at all. It has nice graphics (that's true), but it is so simple compared to UO that it became boring to me. You spend most of the time moving from one point to another to make a new quest wich is always the same, killing mobs once and again. So I am unsubscribing it to stop wasting money and I am looking for a real online Roll game. I have been looking other games web pages, but the information i found about professions and so, is really simple in most of the cases. So, The question is: Does anybody know a game as good and COMPLETE as Ultima Online but with a modern engine (graphics, and so) ?
thanks a lot for the help
At the moment, as far as i know, the only two games out there that nears the model of game UO is, are SWG and EVE. sadly they are both Sci-fi. All the other fantasy games are based on the EQ model, not the UO. (maybe with the exception of Shadowbane)
SWG, also know as Ultima Online 2, is the most similar. got the same "practice skill X and i rise skill X and not Y" and the same "i can manufacture practically every item existing in the gaming world". Even the PvP system is somewhat similar, with 2 factions of PvP and the neutrals in the middle.
All is more refined and there are certainli many changes and modifications (not to say it is Star wars game), but that is where you will find prolly the biggest focus on Player driven community, with player cities, houses, shops, economy and so on.
EVE is an alltogether different beast, but similar in the conceptual side. EVE first and most important strong point is the freedom. Wanna shoot that cop? go ahead. (you will prolly end up very dead) wanna mine? trade? be a researcher/manufacturer? fight? sure. all this are possible and, at least at start, you can surely follow two career without problems.
EVE has the same freedom of skills as UO, even if here you rise them just by Real time, no game actions involved. Even more, you are not restricted to any number of skills, so you could, theoretically, get them all (thing that nobody has managed to do so far).
EVE, tough, has a very different approach and pace than UO. It is a space sim involving Capital ships (beside shuttle, the smallest ship is a Frigate), so there is no twitch action and combats are higly tactical (even if full of flashy colors and explosions). Not to say they are slow paced affairs, guns shoot quite fast and all.
EVE's travel can be the most different thing from UO insta-rune travel as in EVE, going from point A to B invariably take time, sometimes a lot of time. The universe is huge, with about 5800 star systems, so crossing it whole... i do not know how long that is gonna take. days surely.
As for the difference between EQ and UO. both are correct. EQ has more content than UO in the form of quests, raids, zones to visit, monsters to kill and so on. But UO has more content than EQ in the form of skill choices, crafting everything you want, PvP, so in general a more free-form approach than the Theme-park experience of EQ.
Both genres are valid and good, maket seems to prefer the EQ approach to the UO one, but it also seems that there is enough people to make the Virtual World genre survives.
I hope this was helpful. have a nice day
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
No game had to offer other than graphics and high end mobs, what UO offered. A real community. Before UOR and AOS came out, UO was the best of the best to me and alot of friends. You could own a home, castle, tower, Have a shop, and vendors. Sell your goods for profit, and collect the gold the next day. You had to rely on each other in the game to avoid the Dread Lords. Oh those where the days Oh ya and A thriving town to where everyone in there wasnt yelling. LEVEL 60 HEALER LOOKING FOR GROUP!!!
But sadly UO is not UO no more, its more like diablo now. Doesnt hardly even resemble the original.
Too right, although the original UO was way to difficult. I jumped on during the first expansion and remember beeing attacked (and killed) by rabbits and deer. Eventually they nerfed most of the mobs, but the amount of freedom you had in those early days was impressive. The downside to that was always having to be on gaurd against roaming packs of PKers (UO was original ALL PvP) and griefers. About the only thing that gives you the same / more freedom would be Second LIfe. I'm not quite sure if SL can really be classified, but it's deffinately MMO. If you do the whole community / building thing, then you're best bet would be A Tale in the Desert. There's a great community there and TONS to do.
I've never got the chance to play SWG and EVE ran like dogshit on my machine. They may be the greatest games since Pong for all I know. Don't listen to people guiding you to games that aren't finished yet. In fact, forget that there are any games in developement and just focus on what games you can get into now. You'll be alot happier and less likely to get hit by stray flames. Come to think of it, Don't advocate for a game that you like on genre specific fan sites and you can avoid alot of flames as well. I'm not saying that anyone has done this on this thread. I'm just saying that "To each there own" is a damn good policy on fan forums.
Originally posted by ferthala Hi all, I need a bit of help looking for a new mmorpg to buy. I have been playing Ultima Online for huge ammount of time, and for me it is probably the best game ever. What I love from it is the huge ammount of different things you can do. It is a never ending lovely experience. But UO is quite old fashioned from the graphics point of view, so I decided to move to a new game. I have tried world of warcraft up to lvl 60, but I did not like it at all. It has nice graphics (that's true), but it is so simple compared to UO that it became boring to me. You spend most of the time moving from one point to another to make a new quest wich is always the same, killing mobs once and again. So I am unsubscribing it to stop wasting money and I am looking for a real online Roll game. I have been looking other games web pages, but the information i found about professions and so, is really simple in most of the cases. So, The question is: Does anybody know a game as good and COMPLETE as Ultima Online but with a modern engine (graphics, and so) ?
thanks a lot for the help
Might want to give Star Wars Galaxy a try because it is the closest thing to UO then any other game out there. Some of the old Devs from UO helped create SWG.
I guess the reason why there is still no game as complete as ultima online is the fact that ultima online has been develloped for 5 straight years.... (well maybe 3 or 4). So concearning content I doubt you'll find a game that has as much as ultima online.
However, if you are looking for a game in wich you can alot you should defeatnely try out eve. As stated above. Downside, the level grind is very slow. And the game speed is not very high paced. When you want to play eve. You better sit down for at least 2 hours else you can not really make anything happen that day.
I have been hearing great things about chronicals of ryzom as well. Seems like the game has a great skill tree. And the community seems very friendly as well. Concearning content I am not sure. But i believe ryzom is defeatnely a game that you can keep playing for years.
Personally i'm most looking forward to roma victor. Great skilltree. minions. Fighting with risk of losing your stuff. And so far the content is looking very well. (yes you can build your own camp).
Originally posted by ianubisi The total amount of content in EverQuest vastly dwarfs even Ultima Online, although character development is far more linear than UO is. If you have the time to devote to the high-end, endgame raiding content you will find no other game as complete as EverQuest.
Everquest = Very Bad Crafting, Level Grind, all based around equipment.
Ultima online has what he's considering a complete game. From the crafting, skill development, gathering, the doom hunting, taming, real economy, can go on and on. Everquest is a game with alot of content, but it's not a complete game like he's asking for.
I believe you should just stick to UO until something new comes out. If you're looking for a game like another game, you're probably not going to find it. If you miss the older UO then you can always check out the free servers.
Originally posted by knives22 UO is *way* over hyped. Just like Diablo 2. and I Don't know what you men by complete but if you mean "stable" and "Polished" well then I recommend WoW.Easy to get into, Grea for the Newbie(since obviously you have been playing UO for the last couple of years you would need a newb friendly game) but also great for the hardcore.This is the best I can recommend right now.All the other MMO's out right now are too "StereoTypical".
Bah hahaha, I needed a good laugh. UO probably has one of the hardest learning curves out of every single MMORPG on the shelves. If this guy is a UO vet then the cookie cutter WoW game which he already TRIED and didn't like if you read his post is not for him.
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Dark Age Of Camelot is quite polished and the newest additions such as Catacombs and Frontiers had successful launches. The game has been around for years so you know that the devs have put their heart and soul into it.
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
why you dont try Irthonline, i think they are doing pretty good....
Um Eve owns UO in about 500 ways.
First of all, old English timeline=suq. The whole sword/sorcery scene has been done to death, medieval games are just overdone, buried, beaten to death.
Second of all, technically the game was horrible even for the year in which it was released. I played UO 1 month after release, it looked bad, it sounded bad, and there were 500 naked people at the city gates fightclubbing.
Thirdly, there is more crafting in Eve than there ever was in UO. Every thing you craft here is not just useful but necessary to survival. Ammo, missiles, drones, ships, pretty much everything is player-made, player-bought and player-owned. There are no professions, everybody can do everything, it just takes training and resources.
And fourthly let me say again how much sword and sorcery sucks. It just does. The 70's are over, the society for creative anachronism are tards, live-action role play is dead, speaking in Shakespearian olde English, and hearing those annoying flutes in taverns, its all just dead, Jim.
Think Terminator, Nuclear Weapons, Nerve Gas, Black Ops, Space Marines, Space Combat, Hacking, it's just awesome.
Anyway, if you like UO, give Eve a try, its the best thing since sliced bread.
played eve for 2 months - good game but combat sucks, and theres too little customization for me. I play swg now - i get twitch fighting (with a joystick) in space, AND i can land on planets and explore those.
In eve you cant "own" anything, or customize anything - and when you fight its just clicking attacka nd reloading your weapons (the better ship with better weps wins 99% of the time too). I dunno, the crafting and market system in eve are top notch though. Just... too boring having to wit for skills, i preffer grinding when i need to. I made 100mil isk in the 2 months i played and got bored.
haha i jsut find it ironic that the first post dude wanted a game as complete as UO, and ended up going to GW - man will he be in for a surprise - when youve played uo nothing comapres to the depth and gameplay - not wow, not swg, not eve, and certainly not GW hehehe
Yes you are right, I am not sure that was the best decision
after couple of days it does not seem to be too much deep game, but I have not had time enought to get a final impression B
you know what i realized dude?
you cant play a mmorpg for 1-2 years and not take a break at some point. No matter how good UO is, you still need to take a break, and freshen up with another game for a bit. I've left uo a few times,a nd always came back simply because its the best game there is (if only people would look beyond the graphics hehe)
so yeah, enjoy gw, it might giev you the kinda break you need. but if youre looking for a mmoRPG then youll end up going back to uo no matter what
You can not imagine how much reason you have
If UO just had reasonable graphics....
Yes you are right, I am not sure that was the best decision
after couple of days it does not seem to be too much deep game, but I have not had time enought to get a final impression B
*sigh*
I do not know why you say you like UO soo much
and then get scared 
of looking at SWG 
which is unofficially UO2. All the UO game DEVs are the same people who made SWG. 
Maybe you can exchange the GW box for a SWG box LOL!
At the moment, as far as i know, the only two games out there that nears the model of game UO is, are SWG and EVE. sadly they are both Sci-fi. All the other fantasy games are based on the EQ model, not the UO. (maybe with the exception of Shadowbane)
SWG, also know as Ultima Online 2, is the most similar. got the same "practice skill X and i rise skill X and not Y" and the same "i can manufacture practically every item existing in the gaming world". Even the PvP system is somewhat similar, with 2 factions of PvP and the neutrals in the middle.
All is more refined and there are certainli many changes and modifications (not to say it is Star wars game), but that is where you will find prolly the biggest focus on Player driven community, with player cities, houses, shops, economy and so on.
EVE is an alltogether different beast, but similar in the conceptual side. EVE first and most important strong point is the freedom. Wanna shoot that cop? go ahead. (you will prolly end up very dead) wanna mine? trade? be a researcher/manufacturer? fight? sure. all this are possible and, at least at start, you can surely follow two career without problems.
EVE has the same freedom of skills as UO, even if here you rise them just by Real time, no game actions involved. Even more, you are not restricted to any number of skills, so you could, theoretically, get them all (thing that nobody has managed to do so far).
EVE, tough, has a very different approach and pace than UO. It is a space sim involving Capital ships (beside shuttle, the smallest ship is a Frigate), so there is no twitch action and combats are higly tactical (even if full of flashy colors and explosions). Not to say they are slow paced affairs, guns shoot quite fast and all.
EVE's travel can be the most different thing from UO insta-rune travel as in EVE, going from point A to B invariably take time, sometimes a lot of time. The universe is huge, with about 5800 star systems, so crossing it whole... i do not know how long that is gonna take. days surely.
As for the difference between EQ and UO. both are correct. EQ has more content than UO in the form of quests, raids, zones to visit, monsters to kill and so on. But UO has more content than EQ in the form of skill choices, crafting everything you want, PvP, so in general a more free-form approach than the Theme-park experience of EQ.
Both genres are valid and good, maket seems to prefer the EQ approach to the UO one, but it also seems that there is enough people to make the Virtual World genre survives.
I hope this was helpful. have a nice day
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
No game had to offer other than graphics and high end mobs, what UO offered. A real community. Before UOR and AOS came out, UO was the best of the best to me and alot of friends. You could own a home, castle, tower, Have a shop, and vendors. Sell your goods for profit, and collect the gold the next day. You had to rely on each other in the game to avoid the Dread Lords. Oh those where the days
Oh ya and A thriving town to where everyone in there wasnt yelling. LEVEL 60 HEALER LOOKING FOR GROUP!!!
But sadly UO is not UO no more, its more like diablo now. Doesnt hardly even resemble the original.
RIP-UO
Too right, although the original UO was way to difficult. I jumped on during the first expansion and remember beeing attacked (and killed) by rabbits and deer. Eventually they nerfed most of the mobs, but the amount of freedom you had in those early days was impressive. The downside to that was always having to be on gaurd against roaming packs of PKers (UO was original ALL PvP) and griefers. About the only thing that gives you the same / more freedom would be Second LIfe. I'm not quite sure if SL can really be classified, but it's deffinately MMO. If you do the whole community / building thing, then you're best bet would be A Tale in the Desert. There's a great community there and TONS to do.
I've never got the chance to play SWG and EVE ran like dogshit on my machine. They may be the greatest games since Pong for all I know. Don't listen to people guiding you to games that aren't finished yet. In fact, forget that there are any games in developement and just focus on what games you can get into now. You'll be alot happier and less likely to get hit by stray flames. Come to think of it, Don't advocate for a game that you like on genre specific fan sites and you can avoid alot of flames as well. I'm not saying that anyone has done this on this thread. I'm just saying that "To each there own" is a damn good policy on fan forums.
I guess the reason why there is still no game as complete as ultima online is the fact that ultima online has been develloped for 5 straight years.... (well maybe 3 or 4).
So concearning content I doubt you'll find a game that has as much as ultima online.
However, if you are looking for a game in wich you can alot you should defeatnely try out eve.
As stated above.
Downside, the level grind is very slow. And the game speed is not very high paced. When you want to play eve. You better sit down for at least 2 hours else you can not really make anything happen that day.
I have been hearing great things about chronicals of ryzom as well. Seems like the game has a great skill tree. And the community seems very friendly as well. Concearning content I am not sure.
But i believe ryzom is defeatnely a game that you can keep playing for years.
Personally i'm most looking forward to roma victor. Great skilltree. minions. Fighting with risk of losing your stuff. And so far the content is looking very well. (yes you can build your own camp).
Good luck.
I want to thank you all again for the huge ammount of valuable feedback you are giving me
Everquest = Very Bad Crafting, Level Grind, all based around equipment.
Ultima online has what he's considering a complete game. From the crafting, skill development, gathering, the doom hunting, taming, real economy, can go on and on. Everquest is a game with alot of content, but it's not a complete game like he's asking for.
I believe you should just stick to UO until something new comes out. If you're looking for a game like another game, you're probably not going to find it. If you miss the older UO then you can always check out the free servers.