I agree to an extent. If you wanna make omelettes, you have to break a few eggs. However, they were not the hacker's eggs to break. While the long term benefits do outweight the negatives, it still wouldn't have been hard to protect the peoples' identities.
Then again, if they had done that, it would just give sony less excuse to change and generate more ridiculous excuses. The hackers had no right to compromise people like this, totally true. And so it is true that neither did Sony. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. Always burns, though.
In the long run and big picture those low life hackers who deserve a bullet are doing you a favor. It's technological growing pains.
Keep giving your identity away to mega corporations who don't care an ounce about you and see what happens.
These companies are mining data. Why do they need your address and phone number on record? Why do grocery stores only offer you fair prices if you use their littel cards that store all your personal info? .
So they can make geographic consumer reports to improve their profits... They view as cattle... A cash crop to be monitored and exploited. They don't even have the respect to secure the info they've collected from you.
Personally I find the whole thing hilarious.
And part of the growing pains for society is treating these people as terrorists.
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In the long run and big picture those low life hackers who deserve a bullet are doing you a favor. It's technological growing pains.
Keep giving your identity away to mega corporations who don't care an ounce about you and see what happens.
These companies are mining data. Why do they need your address and phone number on record? Why do grocery stores only offer you fair prices if you use their littel cards that store all your personal info? .
So they can make geographic consumer reports to improve their profits... They view as cattle... A cash crop to be monitored and exploited. They don't even have the respect to secure the info they've collected from you.
Personally I find the whole thing hilarious.
I completely agree. It's sad when your company actually requires a hacking, similar to a mother washing their kids mouth with soap, in order to make them get their shit together. Sony had so many opportunities to listen to the consumer, and they never do. They don't give a shit about you or me, and so while I hate how much information got compromised, it's not surprising.
While i can understand that sony is at fault for not getting their act together with secruity and basically trying to lock everything up with plastic wrap, and something need to happen to make sony go..oh well i guess we need a real door with a working lock or something to get better secruity. I'm not sure hacking peope's stuff and throwing it out on the internet is the best way to go about it. Actually in my personal opinion this is probably the worst way. Because not only do you hurt sony but you hurt the people who do business to them. The biggest problem is first they were mad at sony for losing their data but at least at that point only sony, themselves and the hackers knew about what was in the data.
At this point people could sorta see the hackers point of view and understand they are trying to get sony to get their act together. At this point the hackers could have held the account info as a sort of ransom and told the people, once sony gets their act together and we can't hack it so easy then we will just destroy all the data. We aren't out to get you, we just want sony to get their secruity up to snuff, instead of doing it that way where the customer would see the point and say "yeah, how did these hackers get in so easy? what happen to securing my data sony? Instead what they did was they ploped all the info on the internet, now the people on the internet forgot about sony and are just mad at the hackers for putting them in danger. This is of course assuming that forcing sony to up their secruity was their entire point instead of just seeing how much they can hurt companies.
As for blaming the customer for doing business with them. Thats akin to saying it's your fault for getting shot in the chest or something because you do business with the bank when the person with a grudge against the bank decided to hold it up.
The only thing that worries me about this is that some copy cat will attempt this on a company that doesn't have umpteen amount of funds to secure, pay back, and dump into various other fees to fix and will kill the game/company before it ever had a chance to rise.
*crosses fingers that doesn't happen*
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First... Who gives a flying **** what happened with NGE, it has no bearing on this conversation.
Why again are these threads centering on SOE and SWG? The real conversation should be about what happened to those who had their information thrown to the wind, not by SOE, but by these hackers. The last thing people need to hear about in this thread is more SWG belly aching.
This whole hacking debacle seems to be centered around a smear campaign and nothing more.
If they really wanted to embarass Sony they would have hacked SOE or PSN again ( at least I'd assume so), obviously those doors were closed. So they hacked another database, any they could enter obviously.
Now where it gets cute is what you're seeing in these and other forums. This seems to be phase two of such a campaign; as they know people will jump on the SOE hate-bandwagon whenever the opportunity presents itself. All conversations focus on how bad Sony is, and these guys get to like heroes. They can count on the anti-SOE-crowd to present smoke and mirror arguments, making the true victims here disappear in the fog.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I completely agree. It's sad when your company actually requires a hacking, similar to a mother washing their kids mouth with soap, in order to make them get their shit together. Sony had so many opportunities to listen to the consumer, and they never do. They don't give a shit about you or me, and so while I hate how much information got compromised, it's not surprising.
Definitely Karma.
What about PBS and Fox that had their users info stolen? Sony is not the only company that is hackable, in fact i bet the vast majority of companies are hackable. And a lot have been. Only once they are hacked people dont advertise they are hacked so they can get right back in.
Again with the Karma. Sony isnt the victim here, its the people who had their information stolen. I dont see how karma plays into this, at all.
I completely agree. It's sad when your company actually requires a hacking, similar to a mother washing their kids mouth with soap, in order to make them get their shit together. Sony had so many opportunities to listen to the consumer, and they never do. They don't give a shit about you or me, and so while I hate how much information got compromised, it's not surprising.
Definitely Karma.
What about PBS and Fox that had their users info stolen? Sony is not the only company that is hackable, in fact i bet the vast majority of companies are hackable. And a lot have been. Only once they are hacked people dont advertise they are hacked so they can get right back in.
Again with the Karma. Sony isnt the victim here, its the people who had their information stolen. I dont see how karma plays into this, at all.
^ Good points.
I imagine a lot of companies are have been hacked by one person, or a group, with regular access. For instance, if you could hack Paypal, for your own benefit, you'd never tell anyone because you didn't want to get in trouble and because once they know there's a vulnerability, they'll find it asap.
The difference here is that the hacks of Sony are a trophy, and the only way to get fame is to let people know.
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Its scary but they also hacked pbs, fox, and autotrader. So its nots just Sony and atleast this time it wasn't the gaming branch just the picture branch.
Now where it gets cute is what you're seeing in these and other forums. This seems to be phase two of such a campaign; as they know people will jump on the SOE hate-bandwagon whenever the opportunity presents itself. All conversations focus on how bad Sony is, and these guys get to like heroes. They can count on the anti-SOE-crowd to present smoke and mirror arguments, making the true victims here disappear in the fog.
There is no way hackers are counting on anything SOE related to confuse the issue. SOE is a tiny spec of Sony and most outside a few mmo boards have never even heard of it.
Sony is getting shit on, because their security is a freaking joke. Yes that includes SOE and notice how no one is expressing any disbelief that SOE was also caught up in this.
Overall however, Sony, not SOE, has shown complete failure on all fronts in this situation. Things keep getting worse as more and more hacks and mismanagement get exposed. This is much more than about mmos, but this is an mmo forum so the mmo side of things get brought up. /shrug.
-- In this file you will find the layout of the database;
that means you can easily see where to steal things from.
Note that the database contains far more user information/coupons
than we took. The point is that we had control of them; all of them.
We leave the rest up to you - steal as much as you want, go forth!
ADDITIONAL OWNAGE:
## Sony_BMG_Music_Entertainment_NETHERLANDS ##
-- This file contains the user database of BMG Netherlands;
it's around 600 usernames, emails, and passwords. Enjoy.
## Sony_BMG_Music_Entertainment_BELGIUM ##
-- This file contains the Sony admin database of BMG Belgium;
also lots of barcodes, release dates, and other juicy s***.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*Epic FACEPALM*
I am not going to these criminals page, well becuase I do not trust them at all. Did they only hit non-US data? Does that mean the FBI cannot get involved, beucase it is all non-US data and not in the US?
I am not a legal expert, I am just asking?
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Now where it gets cute is what you're seeing in these and other forums. This seems to be phase two of such a campaign; as they know people will jump on the SOE hate-bandwagon whenever the opportunity presents itself. All conversations focus on how bad Sony is, and these guys get to like heroes. They can count on the anti-SOE-crowd to present smoke and mirror arguments, making the true victims here disappear in the fog.
There is no way hackers are counting on anything SOE related to confuse the issue. SOE is a tiny spec of Sony and most outside a few mmo boards have never even heard of it.
Sony is getting shit on, because their security is a freaking joke. Yes that includes SOE and notice how no one is expressing any disbelief that SOE was also caught up in this.
Overall however, Sony, not SOE, has shown complete failure on all fronts in this situation. Things keep getting worse as more and more hacks and mismanagement get exposed. This is much more than about mmos, but this is an mmo forum so the mmo side of things get brought up. /shrug.
Sorry man my point must have completely went over your head, as well as the sarcasm in it. I wasn't being literal, it was a satirical statement regarding where this conversation has gone.
Are you saying the many SOE customers who were victims of the last attack, weren't MMO related? Because even with that the actual victims were overlooked in order to take an opportunity to stick it to SOE once again.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I completely agree. It's sad when your company actually requires a hacking, similar to a mother washing their kids mouth with soap, in order to make them get their shit together. Sony had so many opportunities to listen to the consumer, and they never do. They don't give a shit about you or me, and so while I hate how much information got compromised, it's not surprising.
Definitely Karma.
What about PBS and Fox that had their users info stolen? Sony is not the only company that is hackable, in fact i bet the vast majority of companies are hackable. And a lot have been. Only once they are hacked people dont advertise they are hacked so they can get right back in.
Again with the Karma. Sony isnt the victim here, its the people who had their information stolen. I dont see how karma plays into this, at all.
So PBS and Fox were hacked. I'm sure they are getting discussed on broadcast forums. Does that somehow lessen the problems Sony has been experiencing?
Have those companies been hacked half a dozen times in the last few weeks? Have those companies had an all out war with hackers? Have those companies promised their customer information was secure, only to lose it multiple times?
This isn't just some case of dumb luck that could happen to any company. I really doubt every company could display this level of negligence and incompetence. We are not talking about 1 intrusion or even some sophisticated attack by professionals who have figured out some complex unexpected method of breaking into a network.
We are talking about people running script kiddie vulnerability scanners and others using basic level SQL injection attacks. Trying to downplay this as if this could happen to every company on this level is silly. It takes a very poorly run network to have this many problems. Honestly it doesn't seem like Sony even knows they were hacked until someone tells them they were.
Sorry man my point must have completely went over your head, as well as the sarcasm in it. I wasn't being literal, it was a satirical statement regarding where this conversation has gone.
Are you saying the many SOE customers who were victims of the last attack, weren't MMO related? Because even with that the actual victims were overlooked in order to take an opportunity to stick it to SOE once again.
Yeah I totally missed the sarcasm, my apologies.
As to your last question, which last attack? BMG music? Sony pictures? PSN? Qriocity? PSN? I'm sure a lot of people are pissed off and many who were hacked in the non-soe attacks lost their information in the other attacks as well. It isn't like SOE or Sony has handled any of this particularly well. Regardless of SOEs past track record of games, this is a very disappointing situation that just doesn't seem to want to stop.
It stands to reason that (some) SWG hardcore vets have an eternal grudge towards Sony for ruining their gaming fun, to the point that they'd be happy to see Sony discredited no matter if that means that people's personal info is put on risk.
Well said, SOE are a crap company but this hacking is hurting the consumers and they don't deserve this crap. Of course you have understand that Sonys crapiness is exacerbating it because they could take some very simple steps to help make the data secure but cheering the hackers on is just bad form when its causing people problems through no fault of their own.
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So PBS and Fox were hacked. I'm sure they are getting discussed on broadcast forums. Does that somehow lessen the problems Sony has been experiencing?
Have those companies been hacked half a dozen times in the last few weeks? Have those companies had an all out war with hackers? Have those companies promised their customer information was secure, only to lose it multiple times?
This isn't just some case of dumb luck that could happen to any company. I really doubt every company could display this level of negligence and incompetence. We are not talking about 1 intrusion or even some sophisticated attack by professionals who have figured out some complex unexpected method of breaking into a network.
We are talking about people running script kiddie vulnerability scanners and others using basic level SQL injection attacks. Trying to downplay this as if this could happen to every company on this level is silly. It takes a very poorly run network to have this many problems. Honestly it doesn't seem like Sony even knows they were hacked until someone tells them they were.
His point still stands, this isn't about Karma, there are real victims here and they are not Sony.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
His point still stands, this isn't about Karma, there are real victims here and they are not Sony. It really makes no logical sense to be focusing so much on them. Unless you really don't give a damn about the real issue here. I think most people got it the first time, there were things Sony did wrong. You're just beating a dead horse going on and on about it.
At least an earlier poster was man enough to say the truth "he doesn't give a damn about the victims, he finds it hilarious." Why not just say you hate Sony/SOE and be done with it? It's obvious that's what your posts are about.
You are joking right? The primary victim here is Sony, with customers affected being collateral damage necessary to hurt Sony.
Sony finds itself affected at a magnitude higher than any customer will be.
The real issue here is NOT the customers affected, it's the message these hackers are sending not only Sony, but more importantly, the public and other companies.
Like they said themselves, they don't care about the customers one way or another.
His point still stands, this isn't about Karma, there are real victims here and they are not Sony. It really makes no logical sense to be focusing so much on them. Unless you really don't give a damn about the real issue here. I think most people got it the first time, there were things Sony did wrong. You're just beating a dead horse going on and on about it.
At least an earlier poster was man enough to say the truth "he doesn't give a damn about the victims, he finds it hilarious." Why not just say you hate Sony/SOE and be done with it? It's obvious that's what your posts are about.
You are joking right? The primary victim here is Sony, with customers affected being collateral damage necessary to hurt Sony.
Sony finds itself affected at a magnitude higher than any customer will be.
The real issue here are NOT the customers affected, it's the message these hackers are sending not only Sony, but more importantly, the public and other companies.
So wait, the Hackers are doing people a favor by publishing their data because if they did not someone else would?
This is not a war and there is no collateral damage.
There is just illegal activity.
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Sorry man my point must have completely went over your head, as well as the sarcasm in it. I wasn't being literal, it was a satirical statement regarding where this conversation has gone.
Are you saying the many SOE customers who were victims of the last attack, weren't MMO related? Because even with that the actual victims were overlooked in order to take an opportunity to stick it to SOE once again.
Yeah I totally missed the sarcasm, my apologies.
As to your last question, which last attack? BMG music? Sony pictures? PSN? Qriocity? PSN? I'm sure a lot of people are pissed off and many who were hacked in the non-soe attacks lost their information in the other attacks as well. It isn't like SOE or Sony has handled any of this particularly well. Regardless of SOEs past track record of games, this is a very disappointing situation that just doesn't seem to want to stop.
I think it's pretty obvious it won't stop. Not until these guys are caught anyway.
I was referring to the PSN/SOE breach. I didn't see many posting about the victims in that situation, only the holder of said account info (Sony), TBH I find it rather distasteful. Maybe I'm being harsh with that, but to me it seems people are championing what went down. Nothing seems right about that to me.
There are responsible ways to hurt a company, this isn't one of them.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
To me this just re-inforces my own thoughts that trusting SOE with my information is a bad idea, and therefore I will NOT be playing any game they produce. But to be honest, the people doing the hacking for ANY reason should be jailed as well. For a VERY long time.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
His point still stands, this isn't about Karma, there are real victims here and they are not Sony. It really makes no logical sense to be focusing so much on them. Unless you really don't give a damn about the real issue here. I think most people got it the first time, there were things Sony did wrong. You're just beating a dead horse going on and on about it.
At least an earlier poster was man enough to say the truth "he doesn't give a damn about the victims, he finds it hilarious." Why not just say you hate Sony/SOE and be done with it? It's obvious that's what your posts are about.
You are joking right? The primary victim here is Sony, with customers affected being collateral damage necessary to hurt Sony.
Sony finds itself affected at a magnitude higher than any customer will be.
The real issue here is NOT the customers affected, it's the message these hackers are sending not only Sony, but more importantly, the public and other companies.
Like they said themselves, they don't care about the customers one way or another.
No I'm not joking, as the primary victims are those who had nothing to do with Sony corp. Sony will just do as they did with the rest of these incidents, patch up and go on with business. For those who had their Info stolen it's a completely different story. Their potential nightmare is just begining.
The message they're sending is one of bullshit principle. There are responsible means to reach their goal, their choice is one of criminal behavior, it's also morally bankrupt.
Your argument is as bad as those who attempt to justify theft through piracy. Do it if you feel you must, but don't try and make your crimes sound heroic.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Confirmed Sony was hacked again, Also I did some searching on the news and found this site, which leads to tons of information about the hack and such.
I found this simply by using google search engine, Goes to show that sony can't even protect any of its customers RL Information.
Also all the files these guys claim to have are for real and are on pirate bay and other sites as well for download which discloses many personals information about members of sony.
This just proves you cant trust sony online games for any reason, and the reason I have not taken their offer and went back even though they gave me 45 days free on all the games.
My only comment to this is why did sony have to cause all the customers Private Information to get leaked, Why did sony have to mess with Hotz which sparked all of this just because someone made a simple PS3 MOD to hardware they owned they did nothing wrong, and Karma came back and slapped sony in the face after they themselves used legal methods to violate many peoples privacy in the first place then put customers information at risk in multiple ways.
How many people will sue sony now that all this information has been leaked is the question.
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eesh.
Sorry Sony, I never spent any money online with you and with all these hacks you are allowing to slip past you I never will.
As for the hackers, no motivation or conviction justifies exposing a millions peoples private information. I hope you get caught and rott in jail.
I agree to an extent. If you wanna make omelettes, you have to break a few eggs. However, they were not the hacker's eggs to break. While the long term benefits do outweight the negatives, it still wouldn't have been hard to protect the peoples' identities.
Then again, if they had done that, it would just give sony less excuse to change and generate more ridiculous excuses. The hackers had no right to compromise people like this, totally true. And so it is true that neither did Sony. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. Always burns, though.
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And part of the growing pains for society is treating these people as terrorists.
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FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
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I completely agree. It's sad when your company actually requires a hacking, similar to a mother washing their kids mouth with soap, in order to make them get their shit together. Sony had so many opportunities to listen to the consumer, and they never do. They don't give a shit about you or me, and so while I hate how much information got compromised, it's not surprising.
Definitely Karma.
While i can understand that sony is at fault for not getting their act together with secruity and basically trying to lock everything up with plastic wrap, and something need to happen to make sony go..oh well i guess we need a real door with a working lock or something to get better secruity. I'm not sure hacking peope's stuff and throwing it out on the internet is the best way to go about it. Actually in my personal opinion this is probably the worst way. Because not only do you hurt sony but you hurt the people who do business to them. The biggest problem is first they were mad at sony for losing their data but at least at that point only sony, themselves and the hackers knew about what was in the data.
At this point people could sorta see the hackers point of view and understand they are trying to get sony to get their act together. At this point the hackers could have held the account info as a sort of ransom and told the people, once sony gets their act together and we can't hack it so easy then we will just destroy all the data. We aren't out to get you, we just want sony to get their secruity up to snuff, instead of doing it that way where the customer would see the point and say "yeah, how did these hackers get in so easy? what happen to securing my data sony? Instead what they did was they ploped all the info on the internet, now the people on the internet forgot about sony and are just mad at the hackers for putting them in danger. This is of course assuming that forcing sony to up their secruity was their entire point instead of just seeing how much they can hurt companies.
As for blaming the customer for doing business with them. Thats akin to saying it's your fault for getting shot in the chest or something because you do business with the bank when the person with a grudge against the bank decided to hold it up.
The only thing that worries me about this is that some copy cat will attempt this on a company that doesn't have umpteen amount of funds to secure, pay back, and dump into various other fees to fix and will kill the game/company before it ever had a chance to rise.
*crosses fingers that doesn't happen*
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First... Who gives a flying **** what happened with NGE, it has no bearing on this conversation.
Why again are these threads centering on SOE and SWG? The real conversation should be about what happened to those who had their information thrown to the wind, not by SOE, but by these hackers. The last thing people need to hear about in this thread is more SWG belly aching.
This whole hacking debacle seems to be centered around a smear campaign and nothing more.
If they really wanted to embarass Sony they would have hacked SOE or PSN again ( at least I'd assume so), obviously those doors were closed. So they hacked another database, any they could enter obviously.
Now where it gets cute is what you're seeing in these and other forums. This seems to be phase two of such a campaign; as they know people will jump on the SOE hate-bandwagon whenever the opportunity presents itself. All conversations focus on how bad Sony is, and these guys get to like heroes. They can count on the anti-SOE-crowd to present smoke and mirror arguments, making the true victims here disappear in the fog.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
hehe, I was gonna say a bunch of angry SWG vets are doing this...
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I can't help but hope this is real. This is really beginner stuff.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
What about PBS and Fox that had their users info stolen? Sony is not the only company that is hackable, in fact i bet the vast majority of companies are hackable. And a lot have been. Only once they are hacked people dont advertise they are hacked so they can get right back in.
Again with the Karma. Sony isnt the victim here, its the people who had their information stolen. I dont see how karma plays into this, at all.
^ Good points.
I imagine a lot of companies are have been hacked by one person, or a group, with regular access. For instance, if you could hack Paypal, for your own benefit, you'd never tell anyone because you didn't want to get in trouble and because once they know there's a vulnerability, they'll find it asap.
The difference here is that the hacks of Sony are a trophy, and the only way to get fame is to let people know.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
Its scary but they also hacked pbs, fox, and autotrader. So its nots just Sony and atleast this time it wasn't the gaming branch just the picture branch.
So are gaming is safe, for now atleast...
There is no way hackers are counting on anything SOE related to confuse the issue. SOE is a tiny spec of Sony and most outside a few mmo boards have never even heard of it.
Sony is getting shit on, because their security is a freaking joke. Yes that includes SOE and notice how no one is expressing any disbelief that SOE was also caught up in this.
Overall however, Sony, not SOE, has shown complete failure on all fronts in this situation. Things keep getting worse as more and more hacks and mismanagement get exposed. This is much more than about mmos, but this is an mmo forum so the mmo side of things get brought up. /shrug.
I am not going to these criminals page, well becuase I do not trust them at all. Did they only hit non-US data? Does that mean the FBI cannot get involved, beucase it is all non-US data and not in the US?
I am not a legal expert, I am just asking?
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Sorry man my point must have completely went over your head, as well as the sarcasm in it. I wasn't being literal, it was a satirical statement regarding where this conversation has gone.
Are you saying the many SOE customers who were victims of the last attack, weren't MMO related? Because even with that the actual victims were overlooked in order to take an opportunity to stick it to SOE once again.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So PBS and Fox were hacked. I'm sure they are getting discussed on broadcast forums. Does that somehow lessen the problems Sony has been experiencing?
Have those companies been hacked half a dozen times in the last few weeks? Have those companies had an all out war with hackers? Have those companies promised their customer information was secure, only to lose it multiple times?
This isn't just some case of dumb luck that could happen to any company. I really doubt every company could display this level of negligence and incompetence. We are not talking about 1 intrusion or even some sophisticated attack by professionals who have figured out some complex unexpected method of breaking into a network.
We are talking about people running script kiddie vulnerability scanners and others using basic level SQL injection attacks. Trying to downplay this as if this could happen to every company on this level is silly. It takes a very poorly run network to have this many problems. Honestly it doesn't seem like Sony even knows they were hacked until someone tells them they were.
Yeah I totally missed the sarcasm, my apologies.
As to your last question, which last attack? BMG music? Sony pictures? PSN? Qriocity? PSN? I'm sure a lot of people are pissed off and many who were hacked in the non-soe attacks lost their information in the other attacks as well. It isn't like SOE or Sony has handled any of this particularly well. Regardless of SOEs past track record of games, this is a very disappointing situation that just doesn't seem to want to stop.
Well said, SOE are a crap company but this hacking is hurting the consumers and they don't deserve this crap. Of course you have understand that Sonys crapiness is exacerbating it because they could take some very simple steps to help make the data secure but cheering the hackers on is just bad form when its causing people problems through no fault of their own.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
His point still stands, this isn't about Karma, there are real victims here and they are not Sony.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You are joking right? The primary victim here is Sony, with customers affected being collateral damage necessary to hurt Sony.
Sony finds itself affected at a magnitude higher than any customer will be.
The real issue here is NOT the customers affected, it's the message these hackers are sending not only Sony, but more importantly, the public and other companies.
Like they said themselves, they don't care about the customers one way or another.
So wait, the Hackers are doing people a favor by publishing their data because if they did not someone else would?
This is not a war and there is no collateral damage.
There is just illegal activity.
--John Ruskin
I think it's pretty obvious it won't stop. Not until these guys are caught anyway.
I was referring to the PSN/SOE breach. I didn't see many posting about the victims in that situation, only the holder of said account info (Sony), TBH I find it rather distasteful. Maybe I'm being harsh with that, but to me it seems people are championing what went down. Nothing seems right about that to me.
There are responsible ways to hurt a company, this isn't one of them.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
To me this just re-inforces my own thoughts that trusting SOE with my information is a bad idea, and therefore I will NOT be playing any game they produce. But to be honest, the people doing the hacking for ANY reason should be jailed as well. For a VERY long time.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
No I'm not joking, as the primary victims are those who had nothing to do with Sony corp. Sony will just do as they did with the rest of these incidents, patch up and go on with business. For those who had their Info stolen it's a completely different story. Their potential nightmare is just begining.
The message they're sending is one of bullshit principle. There are responsible means to reach their goal, their choice is one of criminal behavior, it's also morally bankrupt.
Your argument is as bad as those who attempt to justify theft through piracy. Do it if you feel you must, but don't try and make your crimes sound heroic.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Confirmed Sony was hacked again, Also I did some searching on the news and found this site, which leads to tons of information about the hack and such.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/02/technology/sony_lulz_hack/index.htm Source of the twitter account.
http://twitter.com/#%21/LulzSec Lulz Security Twitter
I found this simply by using google search engine, Goes to show that sony can't even protect any of its customers RL Information.
Also all the files these guys claim to have are for real and are on pirate bay and other sites as well for download which discloses many personals information about members of sony.
This just proves you cant trust sony online games for any reason, and the reason I have not taken their offer and went back even though they gave me 45 days free on all the games.
My only comment to this is why did sony have to cause all the customers Private Information to get leaked, Why did sony have to mess with Hotz which sparked all of this just because someone made a simple PS3 MOD to hardware they owned they did nothing wrong, and Karma came back and slapped sony in the face after they themselves used legal methods to violate many peoples privacy in the first place then put customers information at risk in multiple ways.
How many people will sue sony now that all this information has been leaked is the question.