So the continent which birthed MMOs and largely solely supported them when new releases were expected to be awful suddenly turn into a bunch of whiney kids when SOR comes along? How do you explain that rather surprising turnaround? Why didn't they turn their noses up at Meridian 59, UO (the original and best "make your own fun" MMO until they ruined it) or Everquest - those completely new, demanding and very different games?
Originally posted by GRIMACHU Saying that one market is different to another does not necessarily imply that it is 'dumb' but it is a fact and part of the success of franchising that certain sectors like familiarity, even at the expense of getting something better."US players seem to want McDonalds, they want everything the same, they want everythign familiar, they don't want to be challenged, they don't want to work for reward. There's no investment in the game (at least not in significant numbers compared to the whiners). Why the european attitude should be so different somewhat befuddles me. Why should they be more willing to accept, more willing to work at something, more willing to roleplay and more willing to see past the veneer of pointless 'content' that isn't there to the real meat of the content that IS."
Not so easy to reconcile those two comments, is it? You continue to imply that US players are lazy fools who don't want to work at anything. That idea is wrong on so many levels that it's hard to know where even to begin.
While there are cultural differences from country to country (even within Europe, BTW), your overbroad generalizations result in nothing more than uninformed stereotypes. You forget that "americans" themselves are descended from many different ancestries, many from european ancestry. Not all "americans" are alike, BTW, a point that should be self-evident in a country of 300M people of diverse backgrounds and races. Furthermore, SoR isn't breaking any popularity records in Europe either. I think you are probably deluding yourself about Nevrax's financial condition. But don't take my word for it, ask them, and see if they will tell you anything.
MMO players in many different countries have demonstrated that they enjoy similar things. As a group they may be more similar to each other than to others in their own countries who don't play MMO's. Witness the worldwide popularity of such games as Everquest, WoW and others. Even EVE, a game hosted by a company in Iceland, is way more popular in the US (and Europe) than SoR.
You say that the game "has a rich background, a living ecosystem which is more complex than many give credit for and everything that occurs is significant, every event, every participation, every friendship, every clash." Apparently no one but you can see all these things. I find that the background story, which keeps changing, has not even been internally consistant over the past year. The living ecosystem consists of things going from point A to point B and back, and animals getting eaten in the same spots by carnivores over and over again. Friendships are of course valuable in any game, but are certainly not unique to SoR. Otherwise, nothing you do in game has any lasting effect on any part of the gameworld.
I don't think grim and z/sleepyguy are even speeking the same language.
Just so you know, you won't ever be able to convince each others to who's right
but I will add this to the fray:
grim: bad form to over generalise americans as demanding-want-uniformity-give-it-to-me-now players, even if you were correct.
z/sleepy: I think you guys are a bit jaded/overcritical of the game because it doesn't compare to your vision of what you think the game should be. (This don't mean it's bad).
Quite a few number of new players have seen and appreciate the game for what it does well recently.
Originally posted by vqly I don't think grim and z/sleepyguy are even speeking the same language. Just so you know, you won't ever be able to convince each others to who's right but I will add this to the fray: grim: bad form to over generalise americans as demanding-want-uniformity-give-it-to-me-now players, even if you were correct. z/sleepy: I think you guys are a bit jaded/overcritical of the game because it doesn't compare to your vision of what you think the game should be. (This don't mean it's bad). Quite a few number of new players have seen and appreciate the game for what it does well recently.
My vision of the game isn't mine at all. It's what Mr. Cohen has pushed since the game was announced. Even recently if you read his letters they talk about exactly what I have said. If Ryzom is not suppose to be that, then stop saying so.
Cohen has nice vision that he talks about but vision is only desired state of game in future that directs ongoing development. If you want this vision to be true today, you will be disappointed. You must like the game it is now or in short term future as visions tend to require years to achieve.
I just finished my 14 day trial of this game and my experience was so bad, gah it's not even really worth talking about, I tried to give it a fair shake and I guess it just wasn't for me, it happens, nothing lost and nothing gained.
That being said, does it not bother anyone at all that the SoR communtiy is actively inflating the User Rating here at mmorpg.com . There is an entire thread dedicated to the project on the SoR community forums, playes are creating multiple accounts and scoring high 10's just in hopes that it will somehow attact more people.
I'm sorry but regardless of my thoughts about the game, this is beyond low and dirty and exemplifies the overall experience I had with this community.
If you HAD actually read the forum in question properly you'd see that its not a 'project' but that, rather, people are simply encouraged to come here and make an honest rating. So, that doesn't mean it is artificially inflated, it just means that, shock horror, people who like the game are coming here and giving it the score they believe it deserves.
As to _me_ I originally gave my honest rating (eight point something overall I believe) but then noted that people who hadn't ever played the game and felt their own game was 'threatened' kept logging very negative and low score reviews, so I ramped mine up to compensate.
I should be very surprised if people were making multiple accounts, the one person who said they did was slapped down harshly by the community. You're much more likely to find that sort of behaviour amongst WoW fans, IMO.
What is beyond low and dirty are the people making false reviews and low scores.
Originally posted by shae I just finished my 14 day trial of this game and my experience was so bad, gah it's not even really worth talking about, I tried to give it a fair shake and I guess it just wasn't for me, it happens, nothing lost and nothing gained. That being said, does it not bother anyone at all that the SoR communtiy is actively inflating the User Rating here at mmorpg.com . There is an entire thread dedicated to the project on the SoR community forums, playes are creating multiple accounts and scoring high 10's just in hopes that it will somehow attact more people. I'm sorry but regardless of my thoughts about the game, this is beyond low and dirty and exemplifies the overall experience I had with this community. Very sad.
Right, and if every game had fan campaigns to boost their ratings then scores would come down to who had the biggest mobilised player base, actual quality be damned. If people do this then the system just doesn't work.
Originally posted by shae I'm sorry but regardless of my thoughts about the game, this is beyond low and dirty and exemplifies the overall experience I had with this community. Very sad.
What did you do with the community if you have bad experiences with it...? (erhm bad English, hope you get the question)
Originally posted by shae That being said, does it not bother anyone at all that the SoR communtiy is actively inflating the User Rating here at mmorpg.com .
It bothers me. That's why I keep visitng this and posting answers when someone asks a question. The fans call me bitter because I left, which is anything but true. Heck I won a $400 video card from Nevrax I have no reason to be bitter. I refuse to sit back while people flat out lie to get people to play the game. All it's going to do is make what really is a great community end up looking really bad (as you demonstrated).
Grim, basically you are saying, I didn't like the reviews of other people so I increased my rating to compensate for that. You seem to fail to comprehend that other people might not like this game and gave their own honest reviews. Another thing, I highly doubt this game ever presented some sort of a threat to any other games on the market. Heh, I played many games and not in one game, I saw posts about people leaving for ryzom or even talk about this game. I never even heard of this game before I visited mmorpg.com as many other people. Also, whoever compared Ryzom graphics and sound to EQ2, just LOL. Can you cut down on generalization? Your every post is full of it and it doesn't reflect good on you and your ability to judge. <sarcasm> But then again, you are from England, it's expected. </sarcasm>
I was disgusted too when the fan in question were doing the multiple account thing, and posted some very harsh comments (which I edited out later on) to tell him to stop. He later desisted, and I believe him. I rather see SoR get a fair rating then an inflated over rating. And I fear that if SoR ever topple WoW or GW, it's going to be attacked from every angle.
A nice safe place for SoR is some place in that top 10 list. It does deserve to be there. Whether it should be at the top is a matter of opinion.
I am also pretty sure mmporpg.com staffs monitor "illegal voting practice". I am sure they won't let things get out of hand.
And I am sorry you have had such a bad experience shae. I dunno, maybe you just got unlucky. I can't believe you at least didn't enjoy the graphic and the community.
Originally posted by shae That being said, does it not bother anyone at all that the SoR communtiy is actively inflating the User Rating here at mmorpg.com . There is an entire thread dedicated to the project on the SoR community forums, playes are creating multiple accounts and scoring high 10's just in hopes that it will somehow attact more people. I'm sorry but regardless of my thoughts about the game, this is beyond low and dirty and exemplifies the overall experience I had with this community. Very sad.
Maybe you should be backing up your claims a little bit rather than giving out unfounded accusations. You are only making yourself ridiculous.
Maybe you should be backing up your claims a little bit rather than giving out unfounded accusations. You are only making yourself ridiculous.
Don't get me wrong, I very much so appreciate your personal attack but as you requested, here is 1 of the 3 threds I found easily just by slightly searching, you can look for the rest yourself if you'd like.
I also have 2 sets of Screens (about 6 in each set) of a total of 13 players spaming, requesting other players to creat an account and give high 10's. Mind you only 1 person did indeed suggest that you can creat multiple accounts. I will put these up on a photo dump and post the link tonight when I get home.
I found it reprehensible, whether you do or not, well it's not really any of my business. As for the game, the reason I didn't post anything negative about the game (other then the fact that I didn't like it and it probably just wasn't for me) and I did that for a reason. I'm really really happy for everyone that finds a game they like, comming into your forums and going off about how I don't like this and that is rude, and ingorant and I don't want to get into that.
Also, although I do feel a person can get an accurate feeling as to whether a game is for them during a trial period, I don't think you can get a deep understanding of the dynamics of the population and so I would have no right to comment on those either. All I mentioned was that people are being asked to pump up the numbers for this game that otherwise would either
a) not post a review in the first place
b) not give it a high 10
Thats just my oppinion, it doesn't mean it's right.
shae i really find myself wondering if you should be playing mmorpg's at all. that thread is just a bunch of people trying to get behind a game they like. their solidarity in trying to support it is reprehensible?
in your review i noticed you said they hate newbies. what game were you playing? ive only had people literally line up to try to hook me up. on the newbie island there was a guy that has a crafter there for the sole purpose of giving great newbie gear at an awesome price. once i got to the mainland, i wasnt there literally, 5 minutes before i got no less than 6 offers of guild membership, free gear, free tours, and offers of advice to help me understand the game better. i didnt even ask, i was just looking around and the tells started flooding in.
to get such a negative response, you must have flexed that stellar attitude youve shown in this thread as well as in your review. of course people would respond to that badly. if how you type stuff out on message boards is any reflection of how you actually view things, you seriuosly need to take a step back and think about what you say to people and how they may or may not percieve and respond to it.
i really dont know what to tell you, barely trying to make any friends in this game the last week ive had people do nothing but try to help me, try to get to know me, and try to help me enjoy the game. none of this i even asked for. so for you to run into nothing but elitiests and people that hate new blood, well from my experience in the game, i have to assume you were a jerk to people to get treated like that.
seriously, reconsider playing mmo's, i really dont think, from what ive read in your posts that these kinds of games are for you.
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Originally posted by cerebrix shae i really find myself wondering if you should be playing mmorpg's at all. that thread is just a bunch of people trying to get behind a game they like. their solidarity in trying to support it is reprehensible? in your review i noticed you said they hate newbies. what game were you playing? ive only had people literally line up to try to hook me up. on the newbie island there was a guy that has a crafter there for the sole purpose of giving great newbie gear at an awesome price. once i got to the mainland, i wasnt there literally, 5 minutes before i got no less than 6 offers of guild membership, free gear, free tours, and offers of advice to help me understand the game better. i didnt even ask, i was just looking around and the tells started flooding in. to get such a negative response, you must have flexed that stellar attitude youve shown in this thread as well as in your review. of course people would respond to that badly. if how you type stuff out on message boards is any reflection of how you actually view things, you seriuosly need to take a step back and think about what you say to people and how they may or may not percieve and respond to it. i really dont know what to tell you, barely trying to make any friends in this game the last week ive had people do nothing but try to help me, try to get to know me, and try to help me enjoy the game. none of this i even asked for. so for you to run into nothing but elitiests and people that hate new blood, well from my experience in the game, i have to assume you were a jerk to people to get treated like that. seriously, reconsider playing mmo's, i really dont think, from what ive read in your posts that these kinds of games are for you.
LOL ! Oh well again, thank you so much for the personal attack, it's greatly appreciated. If you actually "read" the review you'll see that I said this was MY experience, not EVERYONE'S experience and why you are bringing this up here, I have no idea. Although I can appreciate your need for some sort of self inflated ego casting, I could really care less.
I've played my share of MMO's, and have had some wonderful experiences. In my previous post I wrote that I'm really happy when people find a game they enjoy and a community they find they fit into, considering your post to my attention I actually say you fit in quite well with the overall feel I got from the game and I am very very happy for you . You are obviously having a good time in the game so why would you care what I say. I offered my oppionion, you offered yours.
And if my attitude in this post has been anything less then polite and forthight, I applogize. Although crebrix as much as I did enjoy your tips regarding my Life and Writing, I think I'm doing just fine thanks
Either way, I'm sorry you were so offended by just my oppinion, so much so that you feel you can characterize me so quickly, I certainly hope you don't judge everyone else around you so harshly and so quickly.
[quote]Originally posted by shae [b] Don't get me wrong, I very much so appreciate your personal attack but as you requested, here is 1 of the 3 threds I found easily just by slightly searching, you can look for the rest yourself if you'd like. [url=http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14380/] [/b][/quote]
You seem to like see yourself being attacked even if that is not case.
I welcome everyone to check that thread you are linking and comparing that to your accusations.
Originally posted by shae I also have 2 sets of Screens (about 6 in each set) of a total of 13 players spaming, requesting other players to creat an account and give high 10's. Mind you only 1 person did indeed suggest that you can creat multiple accounts. I will put these up on a photo dump and post the link tonight when I get home.
LOL. Well, if you are referring to that link, I do not see how you can make such claims except by taking sentences and posts out of context.
Actually, just for reference what I wrote first time when someone was wondering if Ryzom rating is based on multiple accounts.
Originally posted by mmatto
I guess there is more logical explanation.
First of all, total votes is not that much so the Ryzom rating is more mobile than for big mainstream games.
Secondly, I guess that average Ryzom player did not know about or did not frequent this site (I did not). When Ryzom made to top list that was mentioned in Ryzom forums and that drew some attention to this site and many Ryzom players registered and some voted with their honest opinion about game.
I guess that half of those who registered did not realize how to gain personal rating to be able to vote.
To be honest, the original score was not fair to Ryzom at all. I guess it was based on votes during and after betas. There was some kind of big nerf bat swinging during beta (comparable to SWG CU) and many pissed of players gave their vote at that time. But this was just my speculation.
About powerleveling rating, one guy mentioned having 2 accounts so he can give 2 ratings. He got flamed on Ryzom forums for that and he decided to give up that idea.
And for every guy that might give inflated rating for beloved game, i suspect that there is other one who gives an all zero rating for Ryzom. So it evens out
My rating was 8.8 for Ryzom.
BTW is every vote equal or does user rating has something to do with it?
eh, give shae a break. Not liking SoR doesn't mean he should stop playing mmorpgs altogether, nor is he ridiculous for thinking shady stuff are going on in that SoR voting booth. I agreed with his sentiment about over-hyping SoR (only I dont think it's happening, or at least not intentionally).
Originally posted by cerebrix shae i really find myself wondering if you should be playing mmorpg's at all. that thread is just a bunch of people trying to get behind a game they like. their solidarity in trying to support it is reprehensible? in your review i noticed you said they hate newbies. what game were you playing? ive only had people literally line up to try to hook me up. on the newbie island there was a guy that has a crafter there for the sole purpose of giving great newbie gear at an awesome price. once i got to the mainland, i wasnt there literally, 5 minutes before i got no less than 6 offers of guild membership, free gear, free tours, and offers of advice to help me understand the game better. i didnt even ask, i was just looking around and the tells started flooding in. to get such a negative response, you must have flexed that stellar attitude youve shown in this thread as well as in your review. of course people would respond to that badly. if how you type stuff out on message boards is any reflection of how you actually view things, you seriuosly need to take a step back and think about what you say to people and how they may or may not percieve and respond to it. i really dont know what to tell you, barely trying to make any friends in this game the last week ive had people do nothing but try to help me, try to get to know me, and try to help me enjoy the game. none of this i even asked for. so for you to run into nothing but elitiests and people that hate new blood, well from my experience in the game, i have to assume you were a jerk to people to get treated like that. seriously, reconsider playing mmo's, i really dont think, from what ive read in your posts that these kinds of games are for you.
LOL ! Oh well again, thank you so much for the personal attack, it's greatly appreciated. If you actually "read" the review you'll see that I said this was MY experience, not EVERYONE'S experience and why you are bringing this up here, I have no idea. Although I can appreciate your need for some sort of self inflated ego casting, I could really care less.
I've played my share of MMO's, and have had some wonderful experiences. In my previous post I wrote that I'm really happy when people find a game they enjoy and a community they find they fit into, considering your post to my attention I actually say you fit in quite well with the overall feel I got from the game and I am very very happy for you . You are obviously having a good time in the game so why would you care what I say. I offered my oppionion, you offered yours.
And if my attitude in this post has been anything less then polite and forthight, I applogize. Although crebrix as much as I did enjoy your tips regarding my Life and Writing, I think I'm doing just fine thanks
Either way, I'm sorry you were so offended by just my oppinion, so much so that you feel you can characterize me so quickly, I certainly hope you don't judge everyone else around you so harshly and so quickly.
Forgive him shae, he's just saying his opinion as you said yours. I had the same experience as him, I had people making me armor on the nooby island and every single person in Ryzom seemed to be wonderful: not ONE smartass answer to my n00b questions ever and I played for about 20 something hours. And you know how it is when you have this amazing experience in a game and someone comes in and says "it sucks and the people are @$$holes" first instinct is to attack them, which sadly I have done too. He's not a bad guy, just standing up for the game.
Ryzom, IMO, deserves the good rating its getting. CERTAINLY if Guild Wars deserves 8+ rating on this site, Ryzom does too.
Originally posted by cerebrix shae i really find myself wondering if you should be playing mmorpg's at all. that thread is just a bunch of people trying to get behind a game they like. their solidarity in trying to support it is reprehensible?
It's not a matter of a bunch of people getting behind the game they like/love. No one has a problem with that. The problem is that many of those people have never heard of or even visited this site. Suddenly someone says that they should come here, create an account, and give Ryzom high ratings. There is also the problem that the intent behind this action wasn't to give Ryzom a honest review (as that is what that is for). The intention was to rate it high in order to give it a high score so that it would be seen on the front page and more people would try it. This is very clear from the posts in that thread.
So no being supportive of your game is not a bad thing.
Coming to a review site that you have never been to before, creating an account, and scoring a game with the intent to boost it's position on the front page is bad. It's not only bad but dishonest.
You have to remember that Ryzom made to top 7 list without anyone mentioning mmorpg.com at Ryzom forums. Ryzom getting first page made those news at first place in Ryzom forums.
And I pretty much believe that user rating system is made for getting new registered users on mmorpg.com. Having games ranked like that creates effect like you described on various game sites and fans flock in to rate game. Rating system requires you to use site for some time, you can't just give your ratings. Now, some portion of those people who came to rate their game will find site useful and start to visiit it frequently. Remember, this site gets money from ads after all. So, as long as people keep having only 1 account (site rules, remember) and preferrably staying honest in their reviews, everything is ok.
And face it, because of those Ryzom threads I started to frequent this site and participate polls, competitions, discussions, reading other game reviews&ratings etc. They got a new customer and I don't think that I was only one! I wouldn't have noticed this site otherwise.
EDIT: I have even clicked their adds and played free trials for Eve and RYL. I also got my free AO account trough this site!
LOL! So you're saying that we're not allowed to register at a public website and write a review on a game we like? If my review would've been bad, then it wouldn't matter, right? But once I rated it 7+, the shit really hit the fan, because that suddenly made me "dishonest".
My personal opionion is my personal opinion, nothing's going to change that.
LOL ! Oh well again, thank you so much for the personal attack, it's greatly appreciated. If you actually "read" the review you'll see that I said this was MY experience, not EVERYONE'S experience and why you are bringing this up here, I have no idea. Although I can appreciate your need for some sort of self inflated ego casting, I could really care less.
I've played my share of MMO's, and have had some wonderful experiences. In my previous post I wrote that I'm really happy when people find a game they enjoy and a community they find they fit into, considering your post to my attention I actually say you fit in quite well with the overall feel I got from the game and I am very very happy for you . You are obviously having a good time in the game so why would you care what I say. I offered my oppionion, you offered yours.
And if my attitude in this post has been anything less then polite and forthight, I applogize. Although crebrix as much as I did enjoy your tips regarding my Life and Writing, I think I'm doing just fine thanks
Either way, I'm sorry you were so offended by just my oppinion, so much so that you feel you can characterize me so quickly, I certainly hope you don't judge everyone else around you so harshly and so quickly.
dude dont start menstrating because i pointed out that you lied in your review. I wasnt attacking you, just pointing out that i noticed.
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So the continent which birthed MMOs and largely solely supported them when new releases were expected to be awful suddenly turn into a bunch of whiney kids when SOR comes along? How do you explain that rather surprising turnaround? Why didn't they turn their noses up at Meridian 59, UO (the original and best "make your own fun" MMO until they ruined it) or Everquest - those completely new, demanding and very different games?
Not so easy to reconcile those two comments, is it? You continue to imply that US players are lazy fools who don't want to work at anything. That idea is wrong on so many levels that it's hard to know where even to begin.
While there are cultural differences from country to country (even within Europe, BTW), your overbroad generalizations result in nothing more than uninformed stereotypes. You forget that "americans" themselves are descended from many different ancestries, many from european ancestry. Not all "americans" are alike, BTW, a point that should be self-evident in a country of 300M people of diverse backgrounds and races. Furthermore, SoR isn't breaking any popularity records in Europe either. I think you are probably deluding yourself about Nevrax's financial condition. But don't take my word for it, ask them, and see if they will tell you anything.
MMO players in many different countries have demonstrated that they enjoy similar things. As a group they may be more similar to each other than to others in their own countries who don't play MMO's. Witness the worldwide popularity of such games as Everquest, WoW and others. Even EVE, a game hosted by a company in Iceland, is way more popular in the US (and Europe) than SoR.
You say that the game "has a rich background, a living ecosystem which is more complex than many give credit for and everything that occurs is significant, every event, every participation, every friendship, every clash." Apparently no one but you can see all these things. I find that the background story, which keeps changing, has not even been internally consistant over the past year. The living ecosystem consists of things going from point A to point B and back, and animals getting eaten in the same spots by carnivores over and over again. Friendships are of course valuable in any game, but are certainly not unique to SoR. Otherwise, nothing you do in game has any lasting effect on any part of the gameworld.
Doctor Z.
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I don't think grim and z/sleepyguy are even speeking the same language.
Just so you know, you won't ever be able to convince each others to who's right
but I will add this to the fray:
grim: bad form to over generalise americans as demanding-want-uniformity-give-it-to-me-now players, even if you were correct.
z/sleepy: I think you guys are a bit jaded/overcritical of the game because it doesn't compare to your vision of what you think the game should be. (This don't mean it's bad).
Quite a few number of new players have seen and appreciate the game for what it does well recently.
My vision of the game isn't mine at all. It's what Mr. Cohen has pushed since the game was announced. Even recently if you read his letters they talk about exactly what I have said. If Ryzom is not suppose to be that, then stop saying so.
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Cohen has nice vision that he talks about but vision is only desired state of game in future that directs ongoing development. If you want this vision to be true today, you will be disappointed. You must like the game it is now or in short term future as visions tend to require years to achieve.
I just finished my 14 day trial of this game and my experience was so bad, gah it's not even really worth talking about, I tried to give it a fair shake and I guess it just wasn't for me, it happens, nothing lost and nothing gained.
That being said, does it not bother anyone at all that the SoR communtiy is actively inflating the User Rating here at mmorpg.com . There is an entire thread dedicated to the project on the SoR community forums, playes are creating multiple accounts and scoring high 10's just in hopes that it will somehow attact more people.
I'm sorry but regardless of my thoughts about the game, this is beyond low and dirty and exemplifies the overall experience I had with this community.
Very sad.
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If you HAD actually read the forum in question properly you'd see that its not a 'project' but that, rather, people are simply encouraged to come here and make an honest rating.
So, that doesn't mean it is artificially inflated, it just means that, shock horror, people who like the game are coming here and giving it the score they believe it deserves.
As to _me_ I originally gave my honest rating (eight point something overall I believe) but then noted that people who hadn't ever played the game and felt their own game was 'threatened' kept logging very negative and low score reviews, so I ramped mine up to compensate.
I should be very surprised if people were making multiple accounts, the one person who said they did was slapped down harshly by the community. You're much more likely to find that sort of behaviour amongst WoW fans, IMO.
What is beyond low and dirty are the people making false reviews and low scores.
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Right, and if every game had fan campaigns to boost their ratings then scores would come down to who had the biggest mobilised player base, actual quality be damned. If people do this then the system just doesn't work.
What did you do with the community if you have bad experiences with it...? (erhm bad English, hope you get the question
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It bothers me. That's why I keep visitng this and posting answers when someone asks a question. The fans call me bitter because I left, which is anything but true. Heck I won a $400 video card from Nevrax I have no reason to be bitter. I refuse to sit back while people flat out lie to get people to play the game. All it's going to do is make what really is a great community end up looking really bad (as you demonstrated).
Grim, basically you are saying, I didn't like the reviews of other people so I increased my rating to compensate for that. You seem to fail to comprehend that other people might not like this game and gave their own honest reviews.
I never even heard of this game before I visited mmorpg.com as many other people. Also, whoever compared Ryzom graphics and sound to EQ2, just LOL. 
Another thing, I highly doubt this game ever presented some sort of a threat to any other games on the market. Heh, I played many games and not in one game, I saw posts about people leaving for ryzom or even talk about this game.
Can you cut down on generalization? Your every post is full of it and it doesn't reflect good on you and your ability to judge. <sarcasm> But then again, you are from England, it's expected. </sarcasm>
I was disgusted too when the fan in question were doing the multiple account thing, and posted some very harsh comments (which I edited out later on) to tell him to stop. He later desisted, and I believe him. I rather see SoR get a fair rating then an inflated over rating. And I fear that if SoR ever topple WoW or GW, it's going to be attacked from every angle.
A nice safe place for SoR is some place in that top 10 list. It does deserve to be there. Whether it should be at the top is a matter of opinion.
I am also pretty sure mmporpg.com staffs monitor "illegal voting practice". I am sure they won't let things get out of hand.
And I am sorry you have had such a bad experience shae. I dunno, maybe you just got unlucky. I can't believe you at least didn't enjoy the graphic and the community.
Maybe you should be backing up your claims a little bit rather than giving out unfounded accusations. You are only making yourself ridiculous.
Don't get me wrong, I very much so appreciate your personal attack but as you requested, here is 1 of the 3 threds I found easily just by slightly searching, you can look for the rest yourself if you'd like.
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14380
I also have 2 sets of Screens (about 6 in each set) of a total of 13 players spaming, requesting other players to creat an account and give high 10's. Mind you only 1 person did indeed suggest that you can creat multiple accounts. I will put these up on a photo dump and post the link tonight when I get home.
I found it reprehensible, whether you do or not, well it's not really any of my business. As for the game, the reason I didn't post anything negative about the game (other then the fact that I didn't like it and it probably just wasn't for me) and I did that for a reason. I'm really really happy for everyone that finds a game they like, comming into your forums and going off about how I don't like this and that is rude, and ingorant and I don't want to get into that.
Also, although I do feel a person can get an accurate feeling as to whether a game is for them during a trial period, I don't think you can get a deep understanding of the dynamics of the population and so I would have no right to comment on those either. All I mentioned was that people are being asked to pump up the numbers for this game that otherwise would either
a) not post a review in the first place
b) not give it a high 10
Thats just my oppinion, it doesn't mean it's right.
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shae i really find myself wondering if you should be playing mmorpg's at all. that thread is just a bunch of people trying to get behind a game they like. their solidarity in trying to support it is reprehensible?
in your review i noticed you said they hate newbies. what game were you playing? ive only had people literally line up to try to hook me up. on the newbie island there was a guy that has a crafter there for the sole purpose of giving great newbie gear at an awesome price. once i got to the mainland, i wasnt there literally, 5 minutes before i got no less than 6 offers of guild membership, free gear, free tours, and offers of advice to help me understand the game better. i didnt even ask, i was just looking around and the tells started flooding in.
to get such a negative response, you must have flexed that stellar attitude youve shown in this thread as well as in your review. of course people would respond to that badly. if how you type stuff out on message boards is any reflection of how you actually view things, you seriuosly need to take a step back and think about what you say to people and how they may or may not percieve and respond to it.
i really dont know what to tell you, barely trying to make any friends in this game the last week ive had people do nothing but try to help me, try to get to know me, and try to help me enjoy the game. none of this i even asked for. so for you to run into nothing but elitiests and people that hate new blood, well from my experience in the game, i have to assume you were a jerk to people to get treated like that.
seriously, reconsider playing mmo's, i really dont think, from what ive read in your posts that these kinds of games are for you.
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com
LOL ! Oh well again, thank you so much for the personal attack, it's greatly appreciated. If you actually "read" the review you'll see that I said this was MY experience, not EVERYONE'S experience and why you are bringing this up here, I have no idea. Although I can appreciate your need for some sort of self inflated ego casting, I could really care less.
I've played my share of MMO's, and have had some wonderful experiences. In my previous post I wrote that I'm really happy when people find a game they enjoy and a community they find they fit into, considering your post to my attention I actually say you fit in quite well with the overall feel I got from the game and I am very very happy for you . You are obviously having a good time in the game so why would you care what I say. I offered my oppionion, you offered yours.
And if my attitude in this post has been anything less then polite and forthight, I applogize. Although crebrix as much as I did enjoy your tips regarding my Life and Writing, I think I'm doing just fine thanks
Either way, I'm sorry you were so offended by just my oppinion, so much so that you feel you can characterize me so quickly, I certainly hope you don't judge everyone else around you so harshly and so quickly.
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[quote]Originally posted by shae
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Don't get me wrong, I very much so appreciate your personal attack but as you requested, here is 1 of the 3 threds I found easily just by slightly searching, you can look for the rest yourself if you'd like.
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You seem to like see yourself being attacked even if that is not case.
I welcome everyone to check that thread you are linking and comparing that to your accusations.
LOL. Well, if you are referring to that link, I do not see how you can make such claims except by taking sentences and posts out of context.
Actually, just for reference what I wrote first time when someone was wondering if Ryzom rating is based on multiple accounts.
eh, give shae a break. Not liking SoR doesn't mean he should stop playing mmorpgs altogether, nor is he ridiculous for thinking shady stuff are going on in that SoR voting booth. I agreed with his sentiment about over-hyping SoR (only I dont think it's happening, or at least not intentionally).
FYI: shae, I hope you're not scurto in this thread
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15474
because, like, I was totally jokin about us hiding and stuff.
LOL ! Oh well again, thank you so much for the personal attack, it's greatly appreciated. If you actually "read" the review you'll see that I said this was MY experience, not EVERYONE'S experience and why you are bringing this up here, I have no idea. Although I can appreciate your need for some sort of self inflated ego casting, I could really care less.
I've played my share of MMO's, and have had some wonderful experiences. In my previous post I wrote that I'm really happy when people find a game they enjoy and a community they find they fit into, considering your post to my attention I actually say you fit in quite well with the overall feel I got from the game and I am very very happy for you . You are obviously having a good time in the game so why would you care what I say. I offered my oppionion, you offered yours.
And if my attitude in this post has been anything less then polite and forthight, I applogize. Although crebrix as much as I did enjoy your tips regarding my Life and Writing, I think I'm doing just fine thanks
Either way, I'm sorry you were so offended by just my oppinion, so much so that you feel you can characterize me so quickly, I certainly hope you don't judge everyone else around you so harshly and so quickly.
Forgive him shae, he's just saying his opinion as you said yours. I had the same experience as him, I had people making me armor on the nooby island and every single person in Ryzom seemed to be wonderful: not ONE smartass answer to my n00b questions ever and I played for about 20 something hours. And you know how it is when you have this amazing experience in a game and someone comes in and says "it sucks and the people are @$$holes" first instinct is to attack them, which sadly I have done too. He's not a bad guy, just standing up for the game.
Ryzom, IMO, deserves the good rating its getting. CERTAINLY if Guild Wars deserves 8+ rating on this site, Ryzom does too.
It's not a matter of a bunch of people getting behind the game they like/love. No one has a problem with that. The problem is that many of those people have never heard of or even visited this site. Suddenly someone says that they should come here, create an account, and give Ryzom high ratings. There is also the problem that the intent behind this action wasn't to give Ryzom a honest review (as that is what that is for). The intention was to rate it high in order to give it a high score so that it would be seen on the front page and more people would try it. This is very clear from the posts in that thread.
So no being supportive of your game is not a bad thing.
Coming to a review site that you have never been to before, creating an account, and scoring a game with the intent to boost it's position on the front page is bad. It's not only bad but dishonest.
You have to remember that Ryzom made to top 7 list without anyone mentioning mmorpg.com at Ryzom forums. Ryzom getting first page made those news at first place in Ryzom forums.
And I pretty much believe that user rating system is made for getting new registered users on mmorpg.com. Having games ranked like that creates effect like you described on various game sites and fans flock in to rate game. Rating system requires you to use site for some time, you can't just give your ratings. Now, some portion of those people who came to rate their game will find site useful and start to visiit it frequently. Remember, this site gets money from ads after all. So, as long as people keep having only 1 account (site rules, remember) and preferrably staying honest in their reviews, everything is ok.
And face it, because of those Ryzom threads I started to frequent this site and participate polls, competitions, discussions, reading other game reviews&ratings etc. They got a new customer and I don't think that I was only one! I wouldn't have noticed this site otherwise.
EDIT: I have even clicked their adds and played free trials for Eve and RYL. I also got my free AO account trough this site!
LOL! So you're saying that we're not allowed to register at a public website and write a review on a game we like? If my review would've been bad, then it wouldn't matter, right? But once I rated it 7+, the shit really hit the fan, because that suddenly made me "dishonest".
My personal opionion is my personal opinion, nothing's going to change that.
I've played my share of MMO's, and have had some wonderful experiences. In my previous post I wrote that I'm really happy when people find a game they enjoy and a community they find they fit into, considering your post to my attention I actually say you fit in quite well with the overall feel I got from the game and I am very very happy for you . You are obviously having a good time in the game so why would you care what I say. I offered my oppionion, you offered yours.
And if my attitude in this post has been anything less then polite and forthight, I applogize. Although crebrix as much as I did enjoy your tips regarding my Life and Writing, I think I'm doing just fine thanks
Either way, I'm sorry you were so offended by just my oppinion, so much so that you feel you can characterize me so quickly, I certainly hope you don't judge everyone else around you so harshly and so quickly.
dude dont start menstrating because i pointed out that you lied in your review. I wasnt attacking you, just pointing out that i noticed.
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com