CCP's engine works on my computer TODAY however, so i have no doubt it'll run just fine on computers that will be available 2 years from now or whenever it actually gets released.
I disagree. Unless you can show that the CCP engine works with hundreds of players in an area and an area as large as zone, I'm sceptical towards its prowess.
Point taken, it's currently unproven, however, just like FC has had a couple of years to tune Dreamworld in AoC prior to it's use in TSW, CCP will have the same opportunity to tune its engine in Incarna prior to it being used for WoD. My point was that it looks amazing and has a good chance of being stable and runnable en masse by the time it comes out. Obviously there is no way to actually know it with 100% certainty until the game launched. The same is true abotu SWTOR and TSW and GW2. THere have been games that ran fantastic in open beta but still crapped out on live.
Of course you can't tell for 100% sure that that kind of graphics will work until it's used live in an MMO environment, the point I'm trying to make is that so far the CCP engine has only shown that level of detail graphics in a room and a tech demo, not in a 3D environment that's as large as an MMO area where many times more 3d terrain and textures have to be generated, with many times the amount of objects that you'll see in MMO zones, with characters wandering around in. That's the kind of environment I'm talking about, which is a far cry from a tech demo or presentation of only 1 room.
Correct (although technically, there is 1 room + 1 hangar, so like.. 2 rooms!), my point was that it will be tested in the exact kind of live environment you're talking about, in a live game and for a couple of years before WoD is released. This gives me confidence that it'll be optimized properly by then. But yeah, you're correct about the current state.
p.s. btw, if you haven't tried this engine, you should download EVE trial just to create a character.. it's pretty awesome even in its limited form. i'm not a big player of eve, but i spent several nights just clicking on people's portraits to examine the detail of their characters with this thing.. just fantastic...
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
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There was one surprise that might change the game up a little bit. TSW is going to cleave to the traditional trinity. Previously it was suggested that there might not be any tanks in TSW, but it seems that is not the case. The trinity will be 100% intact for TSW. Personally, as far as I'm concerned, this is a point for guild wars, but not a dealbreaker by any stretch of the imagination for me.
Currently Watching: TSW. << Very Eager for a Beta invite. Have experience with Beta Testing. Not personally a big fan of raiding or current pve endgame mmo philosophy. Nothing wrong with it, I just sort of burnt out on it. Hardcore raider in wow from Launch to.. about 7 months ago. Currently Playing: Champions Online.
Im going to have to say that TSW will probably be the most graphically advanced game of the next generation, but the whole point of GW2's design is that art >>graphics. I wouldn't say no to a GW2 with better graphics...but If you take away the artistic feel that the game has, then I would call that a definite step backwards. This more realistic graphics approach is how TSW has chosen to present its self, and as it has a non-scifi, non-fantasy setting, I think its a smart move.
I think I got bit by the TSW bug a few days ago, but my initial interest was sparked by the first trailers released for this game (the CGI ones). I think that it is important that the trailers from back then sort of feel like they had the core feeling that the gameplay gives now, and I hope that this game isn't held back by the kinds of things that held AoC back.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
There was one surprise that might change the game up a little bit. TSW is going to cleave to the traditional trinity. Previously it was suggested that there might not be any tanks in TSW, but it seems that is not the case. The trinity will be 100% intact for TSW. Personally, as far as I'm concerned, this is a point for guild wars, but not a dealbreaker by any stretch of the imagination for me.
Crud, I hope they threw out the holy triad at the same time they threw out levels.
Trinity combat just seems so wrong for a modern horror game.
No, not a dealbreaker, all games have bad points. And TSW isn't really going up against GW2, it is against World of darkness online. 2 Non level modern horror games by Scandinavian devs, both with good graphics, should be an interesting fight.
WoD isn't going to be hitting any time soon. I believe it's at least 2 years from beta. It's still very pre-alpha, without much of the world in place, much less most of the systems.
The 3 MMOs that will be in the most direct competition will be TOR, GW2, and TSW as they are all targetting for a Q4 '11 or Q1'12 release.
Currently Watching: TSW. << Very Eager for a Beta invite. Have experience with Beta Testing. Not personally a big fan of raiding or current pve endgame mmo philosophy. Nothing wrong with it, I just sort of burnt out on it. Hardcore raider in wow from Launch to.. about 7 months ago. Currently Playing: Champions Online.
The proper comparison of graphics is, which games looks the best, at a given frame rate, and on given hardware? 10 frames per second looks bad no matter what the frames consist of. If a game could have looked really nice on high end hardware, but doesn't on your hardware, then that doesn't do you much good.
As far as artistic style goes, I perfer GW2. TSW is a bit too dark for me, which I understand goes with the theme, but GW2 has much more vibrant colors which in my opinion just looks better.
As for poly count, TSW wins out of course.
Animation quality in TSW needs a lot of work, GW2 definitely takes the cake here.
Overall I like GW2's graphics a bit better, but if TSW can make significant improvements to the quality of the animations then it will be a tie and will have to wait to play both before I could make a decision. As far as SW:TOR goes, I don't think it can compete with either game in terms of graphics, but it's definitely going to run better on lower end computers.
I posted since i follow all 3 games (currently TSW is the one i follow most as my avvy suggests) and this is the first opportunity to compare graphics. I am wondering what other people think, feel fre to comment on all realism, immersion, colour pallette and artwork.
Hm. I think I could at least put it on par with them, if not higher. It definitely has gorgeous graphics, and they're probably the best of the three (from a technical point of view).
Aesthetically, it seems it's going for a more realistic style than the other two, though still with some very dark and cool imagery. Not my favorite aesthitc style, but i prefer it over TOR's.
WoD isn't going to be hitting any time soon. I believe it's at least 2 years from beta. It's still very pre-alpha, without much of the world in place, much less most of the systems.
The 3 MMOs that will be in the most direct competition will be TOR, GW2, and TSW as they are all targetting for a Q4 '11 or Q1'12 release.
Where did you hear this information? While it's possible GW2 and TSW will have a Q1 2012 release, I think Q2 or even Q3 are more likely for these. SW:TOR is likely to release first out of all of them.
If I wanted good graphics I'd go play my PS3 or Xbox.
I like TORs graphics better then GW2 or TSW they look shiny and more lively.
WHAT?
PCs are capable of far greater graphic's quality than consoles.
Could have fooled me.
Understand that I grew up poor(Not so much poor as much as my father who built most of out computers and did not wasted money on a new proccessor that woudl just be out of date 6 months later) and ever computer I have ever owned could never play the top games that came out.
Not to go to much off topic but I think this is why so many people play WoW and are going to play ToR, the are style the two games have do not require the state of the art computer that TSW and GW2 will (Though the first GW ran great on most I think that was because of the heavy instancing.), I think if Bioware wanted to they could have decked TOR out in ME3 like graphics and effect and made TOR look just as good but decided not to to let people like me, who arn't going to waste their money upgrading their computers for one game.
I have to go make another topic involving consel gaming, I don't want to go off topic with this one.
I dont care about graphics. As long as its clean and nice looking. isntall older 2d game and 3d game. 2d games still look nice. And 3d ones look awfull.
mm!i recall when gw was pre-showing it looked soso.but when people actually had it on their computer it lloked so much better,it will be very depending on gear so some might have low setting other might have insanelly high setting ,wow has optional setting also that can insanelly increase the look but it is deactivated by default since they dont want user to have issue but it is there from blood gore(18 years and plus)to sky look etc i cant name them all since the list is big .but i bet gw2 will be similar you will just need the gear but it will prob default to a 3 year old computer power so the browdest gamer pool possible can play .no use having virtual reality if only bill gates and steve jobs can play those game!
wouldnt really be that suprising if TSW's graphics were better, I mean, look at AOC. Several years old, but it still has some of the best looking graphics in a mmo to this day.
If theres one thing Funcom can do, it's to create beautiful looking games.
To bad the quality of their games isnt as good as the graphics :P
I'll agree that TSW has a better graphics engine than both GW2 and TOR. But you have to remember that GW2 is putting a big emphasis on art and a painterly look rather than high system req. graphics engines. So what GW2 is doing is truley unique in the MMO genre by itself. It's also good to note that because of this GW2 will have more accessibility(which means the game could potentially have more players.)
But out of the three GW2 easily has the best animation build, which is more important to me than sharpness of graphics.
It looks like TSW uses the traditional triad I see in every other MMORPG.
Looking forward to GW2 because it lacks that annoying thorn.
I was disappointed too when the video introduced "a tank", talked about "aggro tables" and "taunting". I guess I was hoping that they'd get rid of this arcaic mechanic with their modern-age weapons and all, but alas no. Graphics are nice, but good graphics don't make an average game great (AoC, Crysis anyone?).
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
GW2 looks better. And art design there is jaw dropping
Did you watch the same video that I watched?
I think the correct question would be; Does he have the same tastes that you do?
He did say "looks" better so I'm guess he means the artistic/aesthetic part of the game. The IGN video is not really HD when you scale it up to HD, the gamespot video actually has the real HD. Actually this video looks A LOT better than both of those.
In environment, artstyle, atmorsphere TSW is top notch. If i have to chose an over all winner then TSW surely beats GW2 and TOR. No competiton here. I am big Lovercraft fan and i can see his influence everywhere in the environments.
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Correct (although technically, there is 1 room + 1 hangar, so like.. 2 rooms!), my point was that it will be tested in the exact kind of live environment you're talking about, in a live game and for a couple of years before WoD is released. This gives me confidence that it'll be optimized properly by then. But yeah, you're correct about the current state.
p.s. btw, if you haven't tried this engine, you should download EVE trial just to create a character.. it's pretty awesome even in its limited form. i'm not a big player of eve, but i spent several nights just clicking on people's portraits to examine the detail of their characters with this thing.. just fantastic...
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
GW2 looks better. And art design there is jaw dropping
There are other games with superior graphics. Like Archeage or TERA
AoC was the best looking mmo around when it came out. Didn't count for much.
The art yes, but not techically.
But Archeage? I can agree with TERA but I don't see how AA should have any chance against the rest of the games here including TOR.
Tera look extremely fine, maybe the best so far even though some of the art is not in my taste at all.
There was one surprise that might change the game up a little bit. TSW is going to cleave to the traditional trinity. Previously it was suggested that there might not be any tanks in TSW, but it seems that is not the case. The trinity will be 100% intact for TSW. Personally, as far as I'm concerned, this is a point for guild wars, but not a dealbreaker by any stretch of the imagination for me.
Currently Watching: TSW. << Very Eager for a Beta invite. Have experience with Beta Testing.
Not personally a big fan of raiding or current pve endgame mmo philosophy. Nothing wrong with it, I just sort of burnt out on it.
Hardcore raider in wow from Launch to.. about 7 months ago.
Currently Playing: Champions Online.
Im going to have to say that TSW will probably be the most graphically advanced game of the next generation, but the whole point of GW2's design is that art >>graphics. I wouldn't say no to a GW2 with better graphics...but If you take away the artistic feel that the game has, then I would call that a definite step backwards. This more realistic graphics approach is how TSW has chosen to present its self, and as it has a non-scifi, non-fantasy setting, I think its a smart move.
I think I got bit by the TSW bug a few days ago, but my initial interest was sparked by the first trailers released for this game (the CGI ones). I think that it is important that the trailers from back then sort of feel like they had the core feeling that the gameplay gives now, and I hope that this game isn't held back by the kinds of things that held AoC back.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
Crud, I hope they threw out the holy triad at the same time they threw out levels.
Trinity combat just seems so wrong for a modern horror game.
No, not a dealbreaker, all games have bad points. And TSW isn't really going up against GW2, it is against World of darkness online. 2 Non level modern horror games by Scandinavian devs, both with good graphics, should be an interesting fight.
I thinks it's more important to ask the question, Which game looks better aesthetically?
I personally think that aesthetics are more important than graphics. To my question, my answer is GW2.
I would agree, though, that TSW has better graphics than both GW2 and SW:TOR
WoD isn't going to be hitting any time soon. I believe it's at least 2 years from beta. It's still very pre-alpha, without much of the world in place, much less most of the systems.
The 3 MMOs that will be in the most direct competition will be TOR, GW2, and TSW as they are all targetting for a Q4 '11 or Q1'12 release.
Currently Watching: TSW. << Very Eager for a Beta invite. Have experience with Beta Testing.
Not personally a big fan of raiding or current pve endgame mmo philosophy. Nothing wrong with it, I just sort of burnt out on it.
Hardcore raider in wow from Launch to.. about 7 months ago.
Currently Playing: Champions Online.
The proper comparison of graphics is, which games looks the best, at a given frame rate, and on given hardware? 10 frames per second looks bad no matter what the frames consist of. If a game could have looked really nice on high end hardware, but doesn't on your hardware, then that doesn't do you much good.
Did you watch the same video that I watched?
Environmentally all three games look gorgeous.
As far as artistic style goes, I perfer GW2. TSW is a bit too dark for me, which I understand goes with the theme, but GW2 has much more vibrant colors which in my opinion just looks better.
As for poly count, TSW wins out of course.
Animation quality in TSW needs a lot of work, GW2 definitely takes the cake here.
Overall I like GW2's graphics a bit better, but if TSW can make significant improvements to the quality of the animations then it will be a tie and will have to wait to play both before I could make a decision. As far as SW:TOR goes, I don't think it can compete with either game in terms of graphics, but it's definitely going to run better on lower end computers.
Hm. I think I could at least put it on par with them, if not higher. It definitely has gorgeous graphics, and they're probably the best of the three (from a technical point of view).
Aesthetically, it seems it's going for a more realistic style than the other two, though still with some very dark and cool imagery. Not my favorite aesthitc style, but i prefer it over TOR's.
If I wanted good graphics I'd go play my PS3 or Xbox.
I like TORs graphics better then GW2 or TSW they look shiny and more lively.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Where did you hear this information? While it's possible GW2 and TSW will have a Q1 2012 release, I think Q2 or even Q3 are more likely for these. SW:TOR is likely to release first out of all of them.
Kind of a weird comment. Consoles are far less powerful than PC's, in every way ^ ^
I can understand your like of TOR's style though. All three games have very different artistic styles, and some may like one more than another.
WHAT?
PCs are capable of far greater graphic's quality than consoles.
Could have fooled me.
Understand that I grew up poor(Not so much poor as much as my father who built most of out computers and did not wasted money on a new proccessor that woudl just be out of date 6 months later) and ever computer I have ever owned could never play the top games that came out.
Not to go to much off topic but I think this is why so many people play WoW and are going to play ToR, the are style the two games have do not require the state of the art computer that TSW and GW2 will (Though the first GW ran great on most I think that was because of the heavy instancing.), I think if Bioware wanted to they could have decked TOR out in ME3 like graphics and effect and made TOR look just as good but decided not to to let people like me, who arn't going to waste their money upgrading their computers for one game.
I have to go make another topic involving consel gaming, I don't want to go off topic with this one.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I dont care about graphics. As long as its clean and nice looking. isntall older 2d game and 3d game. 2d games still look nice. And 3d ones look awfull.
mm!i recall when gw was pre-showing it looked soso.but when people actually had it on their computer it lloked so much better,it will be very depending on gear so some might have low setting other might have insanelly high setting ,wow has optional setting also that can insanelly increase the look but it is deactivated by default since they dont want user to have issue but it is there from blood gore(18 years and plus)to sky look etc i cant name them all since the list is big .but i bet gw2 will be similar you will just need the gear but it will prob default to a 3 year old computer power so the browdest gamer pool possible can play .no use having virtual reality if only bill gates and steve jobs can play those game!
wouldnt really be that suprising if TSW's graphics were better, I mean, look at AOC. Several years old, but it still has some of the best looking graphics in a mmo to this day.
If theres one thing Funcom can do, it's to create beautiful looking games.
To bad the quality of their games isnt as good as the graphics :P
I'll agree that TSW has a better graphics engine than both GW2 and TOR. But you have to remember that GW2 is putting a big emphasis on art and a painterly look rather than high system req. graphics engines. So what GW2 is doing is truley unique in the MMO genre by itself. It's also good to note that because of this GW2 will have more accessibility(which means the game could potentially have more players.)
But out of the three GW2 easily has the best animation build, which is more important to me than sharpness of graphics.
TSW animation example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ0IIX2_chA
GW2 animation example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpDc8j2gX8
TOR animation example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcIxeeAbuzc
I was disappointed too when the video introduced "a tank", talked about "aggro tables" and "taunting". I guess I was hoping that they'd get rid of this arcaic mechanic with their modern-age weapons and all, but alas no. Graphics are nice, but good graphics don't make an average game great (AoC, Crysis anyone?).
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
I think the correct question would be; Does he have the same tastes that you do?
He did say "looks" better so I'm guess he means the artistic/aesthetic part of the game. The IGN video is not really HD when you scale it up to HD, the gamespot video actually has the real HD. Actually this video looks A LOT better than both of those.
This is not a game.
In environment, artstyle, atmorsphere TSW is top notch. If i have to chose an over all winner then TSW surely beats GW2 and TOR. No competiton here. I am big Lovercraft fan and i can see his influence everywhere in the environments.