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Hardcore watercooling PC. No budget!
Hello MMORPG,
I have no budget what so ever, I just want a mean machine cooled by water. Right now I am making my self an office, but we do lack the heart of the office. So here I am, asking for your expertise 
I'm going to be running a triplescreen setup, and I want no HDD, only SSD. The more the better isn't it?
Thanks in advance.
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Here you go maybe abit overkill but u wanted the best..
Please review the components you have selected and then click on the continue button to add the system to your shopping basket.
PROCESSOR:
Core i7 980X Extreme Edition 12MB Cache (6 Cores)
CPU COOLING:
EK Supreme HF Full Copper universal CPU Block
CPU OVERCLOCKING:
Beast Extreme Overclocking
GRAPHICS CARD 1:
nVidia GeForce GTX 590 3072MB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card
GRAPHICS CARD 2:
nVidia GeForce GTX 590 3072MB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card
GRAPHICS CARD 3:
nVidia GeForce GTX 590 3072MB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card
GRAPHICS CARD 4:
nVidia GeForce GTX 590 3072MB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card
GRAPHICS CARD COOLING:
4 x EK Full Cover GPU Water Block
MOTHERBOARD:
Asus Rampage III Extreme Intel X58 (Socket 1366) Motherboard
MEMORY:
24GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600MHz C9 Triple Channel Memory Kit (6 x 4GB)
STORAGE 1:
OCZ RevoDrive X2 240GB PCI Express Solid State Drive
STORAGE 2:
Corsair Force 240GB SATA II 2.5" SSD
STORAGE 3:
Corsair Force 240GB SATA II 2.5" SSD
STORAGE 4:
Corsair Force 240GB SATA II 2.5" SSD
OPTICAL DRIVE 1:
Blu-Ray Rewriter & DVD-RW Combo Drive
OPTICAL DRIVE 2:
Blu-Ray Rewriter & DVD-RW Combo Drive
POWER SUPPLY:
Thermaltake Toughpower 1500W Modular Power Supply
CASE:
Silverstone TJ11 Black with Window
LASER CUTTING:
Laser Cut Custom Design Window
CASE FINISH:
Custom Artwork and Internal Powder Coat (Price Approximate)
LIQUID COOLING KIT:
Laing D5 24W Pump + XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Reservoir For D5 + EK Barbs
RADIATORS:
Thermochil Quad TA120.4 + Black Ice GT Stealth Dual Radiators
TUBING:
3 x Tygon R3603 3/8" ID 5/8" OD Tubing (1M)
COOLANT:
Primochill Pure Performance Blood Red Non-Conductive Coolant
FAN CONTROLLER:
NZXT SENTRY LXE Touch Screen Fan Controller
COOLING FANS (CASE/RADIATOR):
Scythe Typhoon 120mm High Performance Case and Radiator Fans
LIGHTING (CATHODES):
Akasa 12" UV Cathode Set
SOUND CARD:
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion
MISCELLANEOUS:
Edimax nMax Wireless 802.11n (300Mbps) USB Adapter<br>Edimax 200Mbps Ethernet over PowerLine (twin pack)
KEYBOARD:
Razer Lycosa Mirror Keyboard
MOUSE:
Razer Mamba Gaming Mouse
MONITORS:
Triple Monitors for ATI Eyefinity + 3 x 24" BenQ Monitors
SPEAKERS & HEADSET:
Razer Megaladon 7.1 Surround Gaming Headset<br>Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
OTHER PERIPHERALS:
Razer Razer Goliathus Gaming Mouse Mat<br>Saitek Pro Flight Yoke and Rudder Pedals System
OPERATING SYSTEM:
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit)
OTHER SOFTWARE:
None
BUILD OPTIONS:
Standard Water Cooled Build (10-20 working days)
WARRANTY:
Collect and Return Warranty (full parts and labour - 3 years)
Total: £11436.01 (£9530.01 ex VAT) $18,229.10 USD
Pffft, cheapskate.
Thank you, but what site is this? Please give me a link!
Cheers!
Too bad you can't run 4 GTX590s, as that would be 8 GPUs, and 4 is the maximum supported
Xersent:
The Core i7-990X is a nice processor for some purposes. For gaming, the Core i7-2600K is better. And cheaper, too.
You can't use four GeForce GTX 590s. As Catamount said, that's eight GPUs, and Nvidia drivers only support up to four in SLI. Even if you could use four GTX 590s, you couldn't power them properly unless your house is wired in an unusual manner, as that's way too much power. Speaking of which, you should go with Radeon HD 6990s instead, in part because of the lower power consumption.
If you're using all your PCI Express slots for video cards, then there isn't room for a PCI Express SSD. That's what SATA is for.
You can get a better power supply than a Thermaltake Toughpower. And you should.
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audorin:
If you genuinely have an unlimited budget, then you're the sort of person that boutique OEMs target. They'll charge quite a bit more than it would cost you to build the same thing yourself, so they're out of the budget of most people. But custom liquid cooling that is adequate to cool a quad CrossFireX or quad SLI system is rather harder to do than assembling a simple air-cooled system.
You could check here, for example:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/configliquid.php
Get a Core i7 2600K, two Radeon HD 6990s in quad CrossFireX, as many 300 or 600 GB Intel SSD 320s as you think it takes to get adequate capacity for your needs (since Intel SSDs are the only ones they offer), and then build the rest of the system around that. They've got some huge liquid cooling stuff that would be appropriate to your needs.
For monitors, you should consider whether want to mount the monitors in portrait mode (for a 3240x1920 resolution, if they're 1080p monitors) or landscape mode (for a 5760x1080 resolution). If the latter, then you can grab three of whatever, though you'll still need monitor adapters, including an active DisplayPort to whatever adapter. If the former, then the usual TN monitors will look bad, as they don't have good vertical viewing angles, and if you turn the monitor on its side, that means bad horizontal viewing angles. e-IPS monitors can avoid that problem.
Much appreciated, I will take some time and look into all the wonderful ideas you gave me.
My experience with hardware, is most likely a lot better than what you guys might have thought coming of from my first post
I wanted some insightes and fast updates on what are the high-end equipment out there as we speak. As I see it, I'll wait for the extreme CPU's to hit Sandy Bridge now in the Fall.
I am Norwegian, so I'm not sure if it is wise to order from the US. The dollar is weak compared to the Norwegian Krone, so it might actually be a potential awesome oppertunity to get a lot for little. Doh, if something was to break, it would become a warrenty-nightmare!
I'll check it all out, and make up my mind soon.
Thanks all, for wonderful tips and a absurd setup. I might not have a budget to keep my self within, but not going to throw money out the window either for nothing.
if you can wait, your target would be bulldozer not sandybridge
Oh, how long is that until? Interessting.
Zambezi (the desktop version of Bulldozer) is scheduled to launch sometime in August. That will be AMD's new high end chip. It will have eight cores, split into four modules, through with some resources shared by the two cores in each module, it's arguably something less than a true eight core processor. Performance isn't yet known, as it will be the first chip of a new architecture. Motherboards that take Zambezi are already out on the market, so there should be plenty of those available.
Sandy Bridge-E is a six core version of Sandy Bridge. Loosely, take a Core i7 2600K, add two more cores, nix the integrated graphics, and you have Sandy Bridge-E. There's more to it than that, of course, but the more interesting thing about Sandy Bridge-E is the chipsets, as it will be able to do two PCI Express 3.0 lanes at x16 bandwidth at the same time. (Yes, PCI-E 3.0, not 2.0, though that only helps for 3.0 video cards, of which there aren't any yet.) The last official word from Intel is that Sandy Bridge-E is scheduled for Q4 2011, though rumors say it could be pushed back into 2012.
You may also be interested in the Radeon HD 7000 series cards. Rumors say that the top GPU in the line could realistically launch as soon as September. It really depends on when TSMC is ready and can mass-produce parts on their new 28 nm process node, so it could conceivably be pushed back into 2012 if the foundry just isn't ready.
I love these troll threads, NO BUDGET!!! Really? Never use to see them hardly ever in past, now it's always happening. People either won loto or the recesion is over. These threads are just to get Quiz to put all his time into writing 5 paragraph sentences on hardware I guess. I don't buy it one bit these threads, if you wanted no budget PC build and watercooled, with no budget you would be looking at phase change in my opinion and not build it yourself but have one the advanced PC building companies build it for you if you had no budget, Falcon comes to mind.
I was actually thinking along the same lines....
"No budget" to mean means "I have no money at all"
"Unlimited budget" means "I don't have any cap on what I can spend".
Since this is the second thread in less than a week on just about the same topic, and really neither of them serve up much in the way of constructive conversation, I feel like our forum is just getting trolled for some reason.
Well, it's either that or yet another post on the Spiral Knights forums trying to convince people that "give everything away for free and make it up in volume" is not a viable business plan.
You like Spiral Knights too? Feel free to add Meowhead as a friend.
GW1 and Spiral Knights?
Don't you like any games that suck?
lol +1
Gaming since Avalon Hill was making board games.
Played SWG, EVE, Fallen Earth, LOTRO, Rift, Vanguard, WoW, SWTOR, TSW, Tera
Tried Aoc, Aion, EQII, RoM, Vindictus, Darkfail, DDO, GW, PotBS
I am not trolling, I'm all open ears. Learning, from people superior to me on this subject.
Quizz, I would like to thank you this far. I have a hard time believing AMD will have something better to offer compared to intel, at least for a while more. But I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Basicly now, I'll wait for the next top-end cpu coming from intel together with a 7000 series gpu from ati. This is a start, and I will like to build up the whole PC by my self, had experience with this before. So why not now
My budget is limitless, but as stated earlier, I'm not just going to throw away money.
Quizz, thanks again. Xoxoxo
In defense of "no budget" computers, I don't have a fixed budget in mind when I get a computer myself. I figure out what I want, and then try to get what I want as cheaply as possible. If it costs $3000 to get what I want, then I'll pay $3000. If I can get what I want for $600, then I won't pay $610.
For a given part, sometimes more expensive is better. Sometimes it's just more expensive. Sometimes more expensive is actually worse, especially if you're paying more to make it wireless. If a more expensive part is meaningfully better, then I want something better. If it's only more expensive, then it's a waste of money.
And different things can be "better", too. Higher performance is better. Lower power consumption is better. Higher performance usually means higher power consumption, too, so they're competing goals. Sometimes better in benchmarks doesn't translate to a meaningful difference in real life.
Solid state drives are clearly better than hard drives, with the price tag as the only drawback. So I have an SSD and no hard drive, both in my desktop and in my laptop. At the time I got the desktop, the two good SSD controllers on the market were the Indilinx and Intel controllers. I decided that the difference between 70x as fast as a hard drive in small file random read IOPS and 50x as fast as a hard drive didn't matter. But the difference between 50x and 1x sure did. So I went with the cheaper Indilinx-based SSD.
The biggest reason why I got the video card I did is that it was the only DirectX 11 SKU in stock on New Egg (or just about anywhere else, for that matter) at the time. I might have still gotten a Radeon HD 5850 over the faster 5870, though, as I don't mind turning graphical settings down, so would I really regard the 5870 as better, even apart from the price tag? Not necessarily. The 5850 uses less power than the 5870, and being clocked further away from the limits of the GPU chip means better reliability. There are good reasons why AMD and Nvidia often don't dare to clock $1000 and $2000 professional graphics cards as high as they clock the top bin of $300 consumer graphics cards based on the same GPU chip, even before the board vendor does a factory overclock.
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Will Zambezi beat Sandy Bridge-E? Can AMD really beat Intel in high end processors? Consider that from 2003 through 2006 (actually a period of somewhat less than three years), AMD did exactly that pretty continuously, as their Athlon 64 was clearly better than Intel's Pentium 4, and AMD's Athlon 64 X2 was better than Intel's Pentium D.
Can AMD do that again? We'll see. Zambezi is coming before Sandy Bridge-E or Southern Islands (the next generation video cards), so if you're waiting for either of the latter two items, then Zambezi will be out by then. If Zambezi manages to beat a Core i7 2600K in single-threaded performance, then it will surely be a better processor than Sandy Bridge-E, too, and it will pretty much be game over for Intel on gaming desktop processors at least until Haswell comes in 2013. Will that happen? I don't know, and if I had to guess, I'd say "no", but we'll see.
If you do wait for Southern Islands, then you should realize that you could conceivably be waiting for a long time. A launch in September is certainly plausible at this point. But it depends as much on TSMC as on AMD at this point, and you won't hear much from TSMC because they don't sell directly to the public.
My guess is that the top Southern Islands card will be a Radeon HD 7970, 10% faster than a GeForce GTX 580, with a TDP of 200 W, a die size of 300 mm^2, and an MSRP of $400. But that's just my guess. Also note that even after the cards are out, it might take some time before you can get a waterblock for them. It might also take quite a while before you can get a dual GPU card for quad CrossFireX, if you want to go that high end on performance.
I think ivybridge would make up the difference and more. a 22nm chip will clock up enough to beat the crap out of a 34nm or even a 28nm chip that AMD is due to release. AMD will hold the edge in their APU/laptop market, but the CPU market will belong to intel with the release of ivybridge and beyond.
the problem with AMD is that 28nm hump which gives intel time to pull even further ahead to 15nm. from what i can see, AMD is "giving up" on the CPU game to focus more on the growing laptop/tablet market while focusing on putting nvidia out of business. this will force nvidia to sell to intel or maybe seek alternative like partnering up with ARM and battle AMD in the tablet/console market. since intel already played their hand in nvidia's demise with that motherboard chipset deal which limits the development options of a whole business sector nvidia must seek more options or die. as amd gets bigger with more development options so does their leverage over manufacturing foundries relative to nvidia. eventually that advantage will slowly push nvidia out of the game.
Ivy Bridge is going to be architecturally basically the same as Sandy Bridge. Maybe they can get some IPC gains if they find things that were done wrong in Sandy Bridge and fix them, but I don't see there being massive room for improvements in a "tick" architecture.
A die shrink will bring power consumption down, and that's a huge deal in a laptop. It's not such a big deal in a desktop. In theory, it gives you more headroom to clock higher, but in reality, not that much, as processor power consumption really gets out of hand if you clock it too high. The top bin of Nehalem/Lynnfield would clock a single core up to 3.73 GHz. The top bin of Westmere/Clarkdale only nudged that up to 3.86 GHz. On the same process node as Westmere, Sandy Bridge only goes up to 3.8 GHz indefinitely, though it will clock higher than that for short periods of time. I guess there is the 4.4 GHz Xeon X5698, but that's basically Intel cherry-picking dies and then factory overclocking them for customers who need the best single-threaded performance they can get and don't care if the processor dies in two years.
Or to go back a few generations, NetBurst hit 3.46 GHz at 130 nm, then 3.8 GHz at 90 nm, then couldn't go past 3.73 GHz at 65 nm. There's a power consumption wall around there that doesn't leave that much room for higher clock speeds. Well, IBM's z196 can go 5.2 GHz at stock speeds, but I can't find the TDP on that at the moment; from memory, I think it's something like 800 W, which is not what you want to do in a desktop. Die shrinks help with that a little, but not very much.
So will Ivy Bridge be better than Sandy Bridge in a desktop? Yeah, a little. But AMD has the same chance to make tweaks to Bulldozer, and Ivy Bridge will likely be competing against Komodo for most of its lifetime, and not Zambezi. Furthermore, Sandy Bridge-E is going to be Intel's high end for quite some time, and I don't know if they'll ever bother to release a high end variant of Ivy Bridge. They might save that for Haswell and a more mature process node.
agreed. intel isnt going down on the laptop market w/o a fight:D however, they are hampered by the fact that EVERYBODY knows intel GPU sux:D so they are either pushing AMD ahead with their GPU market, or they are pushing nvidia ahead. since intel sees amd as the greater threat, they will likely favor nvidia. but the fact is nvidia has been delt a major blow with the motherboard chipset business and eventually wont have enough market leverage to compete with AMD for foundry negociations unless they do something drastic like merging with ARM or sell to intel.
the fact remains as time goes on, consumers will start demanding greater graphics capability on laptop. very few people who owns a laptop will ever touch the capability of an i7. of those who do, they have a battery life of 20 min's or less:D the ONLY consumer application that would even push an i5 is maybe virus scan on a SSD... the fact is, there is way too much CPU power and not enough GPU power on a modern day laptop. APU's are designed to take advantage of that market segment and the timing of their ATI acquisition is perfect (in retrospect). AMD will likely hold an advantage over intel in the laptop market in the forseeable timeframe simply because they have radeon in their pocket.
will nvidia improve enough to pair with ivybridge w/o dragging the power consumption advantage down with it? only time will tell. but as their negociation leverage decrease relative to AMD, it's unlikely they will be able to compete w/o drastic measures. we, as influencers in the purchas decision making process, knows the advantages each manufactures have. and we follow where the tech takes us. eventually, to take advantage of the ivybridge power reduction, we will recommend AMD as the pairing gpu. this further push amd ahead of the nvidia competition.
Unless intel does something drastic with their GPU design, its likely they will eventually lose the laptop market to AMD after trinity.
The only people that need GPU power are video gamers, and a few people using it for specific accelerated functions (which aren't going to be doing that on a laptop anyway).
~Most~ people only need enough GPU power to get Aero to look pretty and decode Flash and H.264 video.This is why Intel hasn't invested more into their GPU - they don't need to, it's a niche market, and they are better off just letting other people serve it while they continue to sell more crappy, yet "good enough", GPU's than both of those niche producers combined.
The big market today isn't the PC market. It's fairly stagnant. It's the mobile market. Cell phones, tablets, mobile devices are ~huge~ and are growing by leaps and bounds. This is why you are seeing the push for APUs and power efficiency. This is an area where Intel is getting slaughtered, and they know it. Atom is a joke. nVidia has a clear advantage here, and this is where nVidia is putting all their marbles: they already have the Tegra line running, and they are banking on a new ARM architecture. Even Apple is in the mobile CPU/GPU design game (they bought several companies outright so they could make their own ARM CPU/GPUs for their products), and Microsoft has a huge stake in nVidia for this reason. AMD is much better off than Intel, but still doesn't have a lot in the ultra-low power area, they are more in the netbook/medium power arena (and Llano is an excellent example).
No budget? Buy one of these!
http://www.dwavesys.com/en/products-services.html
Not a dirty link, look up D-Wave with google. Quad Core? How about 60,000 calcs simutaneously.
"I swear -- by my life and my love for it -- that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
- John Galt
"~most~ people" will never "need" a chip more powerful then a brazo E350:D so that discussion is really moot
the only time people use more CPU power then a brazo is when they are doing virus scans... 
so it really comes down to people who knows to recommend "our" choices, or, what the marketing guys can drum up with. EITHER way, the direction is going towards more GPU power. hardware guys would recommend more gpu cuz of "occational gamer" that people always claime to be. the marketing guys will try to sell you more GPU power so you'd NEED that 240hz monitor in order to "watch" a txt file in 3d glasses:D
a computer is only as good as the human interface that preceive it. look at apple products. not the best gear for the $, but it's oh so perrrrdy:D
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsub-zero-tec.asp?id=480729
Customize/ buy. Then enjoy
so it really comes down to people who knows to recommend "our" choices, or, what the marketing guys can drum up with. EITHER way, the direction is going towards more GPU power. hardware guys would recommend more gpu cuz of "occational gamer" that people always claime to be. the marketing guys will try to sell you more GPU power so you'd NEED that 240hz monitor in order to "watch" a txt file in 3d glasses:D
a computer is only as good as the human interface that preceive it. look at apple products. not the best gear for the $, but it's oh so perrrrdy:D
Touche, good points.
But, but....I'm actually posting this from the bad boy Quiz helped me build!