Well i'll tell how your opinions are wrong... hmmm... eehrr..... AAh got it! Repetative is spelled repetitive.
Got you good heh? Had to step in since SugarBofin seems to have deserted us.
Seriously, you got good points.
Wow, this tread really caught fire since i left it yesterday!! Really don't know what up with this dude, flaming everybody with a critic on SWG.... Next, he'll say the swrinkwrap on the box was the best thing he ever ate.
Question (constructive one!): Is there hope for the game? What wouls it take to make it good?
The only part of SugarBofin's post (apart from the "storyline thing") i criticized was when he started elevating his post by calling names.
How do you make your post the best one? By writing something really inspired and insightfull? Or by bashing on other's posts to put them bellow you? Sugar seems to like the later tactic.
And when i get bashed on without personnal provocation, i fume, i boil, i take ablaze and i then i flame!
Your right, the game does sound like it sucks pretty awful. I thank all of you guys for saving me the time and money I would have spent on this game.
Sorry Sogar...... they said your were wrong. Must be true then, you know I am the type of person to listen to what everyone else says. I am also the type to like only the things the consensus likes too. I guess I am your prototypical sheep waiting to be herded. BAAAAHHH!!!!!
---------------------------------------------- You heard it here first......
I never had anything against you either, it is about time these boards had a good heated discussion. You remind me of the roommate I had my freshman year in college, wich is why I kept arguing.
Good luck boss and don't be a stranger, hell I will probably try SWG again....One day.
Well, I agree with squee in that the game has its isues, but overall it is an excellent game with alot of variety to it. There are SO many things you can do in this game. While it does desparately need player cities, mounts and vehicles, and other upgrades promised to us, it is still WELL worth the time to play. But I always tell everyone, if you REALLY want to get the scoop on what it's like and what's going on in the game, visit the SWG forums for that. This is not the place where players get together to talk about the details of the game. More often than not, threads like this become the home of flamers who have nothing better to do than light up the MMORPG.com forums with insults because they were expecting they could step into an episode of Yugi-oh, with VR glasses on.
It's a game, it's not even 2 months old. Have patience, enjoy what there is and look forward to the better stuff soon.
-Brihtwulf
"Ain't no mystical energy field controls my destiny!"
Well first off... I hate to revive this topic... but I feel like I have to. Secondly, I'm pro SWG, and I was wondering what it is exactly that you guys want from the game. You have all shown in explicit detail its flaws (although with some exagerations, and I'm sorry, but the entertainer afk thing is an absolute lie...), but what do you think would make it better? Be constructive, dont just flame the crap out of the game. Admitedly, many of the flaws you pointed out exist, and perhaps the game should have been released later, but I really dont mind it, and have already paid for my second month. Are the bugs so bad they make the game unplayable for you? Some of them give me 15 minutes at the most of annoyance, but none have ever made me think to myself, "This sucks! I quit!"
In addition, you REALLY need to stop acting like this game is something other than an MMORPG, and singeling it out as some sort of ultimate mega game. Can anyone honestly say they've never seen launch bugs before? I highly doubt it, and if you havent you really arent experienced enough to be posting on this thread. And seriously stop complaining about the price. If you want to you can, but complaining about the price and the bugs is just ridiculous. I admit the $80 (special addition)+$15 per month is a little steep, but paying a team of people to fix the bugs isnt free, so stop acting like it is. Also, the content you continously demand is on its way, just check the web site, and its obvious they are trying their hardest to get it out to us, you just have to be patient. The game is still fun, even without the amazing launch polish you seemed to have expected, and at least its a good time to level your character so you can enjoy the good stuff when it gets here.
Thanks for listening, and I await any comments/responses you guys have.
First off, I have played MMORPGs for a long time. UO, AC, AC2, AO, E&B, EVE, DAOC, and even a brief stint with EQ.
In my opinion, the best games from that list, were UO and AO respectively. I have very fond memories of UO (but havent played it in over a year, just cant make myself go back.) AO is a great game, and still IS a great game, even if it does get monotonous after L160. Now, back to the subject.
I was in SWG beta from beta 2 on. I was one of the beta testers that was raising hell about the game was NOT ready...and I would NEVER buy it if it went public this soon. Well...I caved in, and bought it about a week after it went live. YES, the game has bugs. However, it is still a very playable and enjoyable game.
Content wise, it may seem shallow for those of you that suffer from ADD, but if you actually READ the missions, and TALK with NPCs, there is a lot going on in the game. The Jabba missions are quite fun and challenging. And I stumbled upon the rebel quest by bumping into Han Solo and Chewbacca in a cantina on a remote planet.
I truthfully believe that the majority of the naysayers about this game are under the age of 18, and have the attention span of a gnat. (The other ones bitching about the game are those without the proper hardware to make it scream (which, IMO is because of piss poor programming)...I am running a AMD XP2600+, 1.5GB PC2700 RAM, ATI Radeon 9800Pro, and a cable connection, I experience absolutely NO lag, and frame rates in the high 20s to 30, even in Anchorhead during pvp raids (with over 60 people (PCs), and another 50-60 NPCs) running at 1280x1024.
The PVP system is one of the best I have experienced. The faction system actually WORKS. (There are a couple of exploits currently, but they are being fixed with the patch today.) I always hate to see nerfs and cries for balance, but there are some "glaring" issues that are being addressed (again, with todays patch. The use of the "knockdown" skill, for instance.)
All in all, the graphics are by far, the best in the MMORPG genre. The flexibility of character creation, the best in the MMORPG genre. The crafting system, the best in the MMORPG genre. The PVP system, one of the best in the MMORPG genre. The player driven economy...never thought it would work or happen, but to my amazement, I was COMPLETELY wrong. The player driven economy DOES work, and IS working. (I actually hopped planets last night, to visit a recommended weaponsmith and picked up 8 or 9 weapons for my crew) The community is mixxed, waiting for the majority of our ritalin addicted school age players to move on to the next "big" thing. There are some serious issues with a few classes being broke (IE: commando, bio-engineers, and chefs for example.)
The things I have seen wrong with the game to date are, they should NOT have released the game before including mounts and vehicles. They should NOT have made it so easy to control the alpha pets (they are fixing this today in the patch). They should NOT have released the game with ANY broken professions.
Call me a fanboi, call me whatever. Its the damn truth, simple as it gets. Its a good game, one of the best. (And NO, I do not include EQ as one of the best. I tried playing that awful game for all of a day, and could not get past the horrid graphics. Im sure the content and game play are great, I just couldnt get past the graphics.)
Sothorn (pardon any typos, half asleep)
--------------------------------- "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one."
Sorry, I know I said I wouldn't be coming back to this topic, but I just had to make something clear.
"Its the damn truth, simple as it gets. "
Just would like to remind you that you gave your opinion of the game.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!"
Customer: "How fast will my COM ports go?" Tech Support: "How hard can you throw your computer?"
Originally posted by squeee Sorry, I know I said I wouldn't be coming back to this topic, but I just had to make something clear. "Its the damn truth, simple as it gets. " Just would like to remind you that you gave your opinion of the game.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!" Customer: "How fast will my COM ports go?" Tech Support: "How hard can you throw your computer?"
The items I addressed, are the truths about the game. The good, the bad, and the ugly.
Is SWG playable and enjoyable? Yes. Does SWG have bugs? Yes. Are there broke classes? Yes. Is it worth the money to play? Yes. It is easily as enjoyable as any of the other top tier MMO's out.
--------------------------------- "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one."
Does everyone enjoy the game? Nope, thus making it your opinion that the game is enjoyable and fun.
Playable yes it is that is a fact, they have worked it to the point that it is playable.
"Is it worth the money to play? Yes. It is easily as enjoyable as any of the other top tier MMO's out."
Do I realy have to explain why these sentences are opinions?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!"
Customer: "How fast will my COM ports go?" Tech Support: "How hard can you throw your computer?"
hi I come from Poland , I want to buy SWG , but I never played in MMORPG , i very like star wars so i decided to this game , what do you think about SWG , quickly and short , is it good game or not ? and is it good game for gamer who start playing in mmorpg ? what about computer that i must have to play - you konw - minimal req , and speed of SDI - 128 kbs ?
Its not THAT buggy... Ok... Yeah... Alright its pretty damn buggy... I got stuckon the bottom floor of my PA hall because stupid elevator wouldnt go up, so my PA mate had to KILL me. While I was running back to the Hall I tried to burst run to go faster, and lost the burst run in under five seconds because I started swimming for a split second. Why would swimming instantly make you lose all your energy, even if it was for a split second? Ahhhh it wouldnt... but this game has lots of bugs. Also today I was fighting a PVP war in town. I have almost exactly the specs Sugar described, and man are you WRONG. My processer is even twice as fast, and I got a SLIDESHOW. As in like .1 or .2 frames per second. Thats not a typo, it actually took several seconds for each frame to appear. That is not good, I will tell you that. I do have 56k tho, and I think that may be an issue. The game should still be playable on a thinner band connection tho. Anyway, I do like this game despite these flaws, and I think you guys are way to hard on it. However most of the posts are just personal issues, such as "thats an opinion", or "you will just think im a fanboi" or whatever. It doesnt really matter if they call you a fanboi, because if you're not a fanboi theres not reason to be offended. So really stop talking about anything having to do with fabois in general, or things about facts and opinions. Theres no such thing as an objective opinion really. Even saying, "that is a rock" is opinionated. Someone else might use a different word for rock. Only feelings can really be facts. Words cant express anything but opinions. Get over it. Now finally. About the game... Whats the deal with the over reaction to bugs? As.. I forgot his name said above, in a good post I thought, the game does have bugs yes, but they arent bugs that make you go, "What the hell? This is gay... my item disappeared... Holy shit, screw that I quit this game." They should make you go, "Oh damn... Well I guess Ill just have to buy another one, only one missions worth of money anyway." If you'd like to write SOE and tell them youd like maybe a cent or two back because they made you waste 10 minutes of play time, be my guest. I'm sure they will comply to avoid being sued. But for the love of god... dont quit the game or not want to pay money for it because some bugs make you lose 15 minutes of your time. If they annoy that much it means youre having fun with the game anyway. I must admit the broken classes are utter bullshit and I can totally feel for those of you that got screwed wanting to be a commando. Hope they fix that soon and stop screwing other classes. Hmmmm... what else... Well I guess thats it. That was a fairly long post so I hope youll take the time to read it all. Thanks guys.
well , i'll buy this game , i never played in mmorpg but i think i'll like this , what do you think about mmorpgs , maybe there're others mmorpgs , better than SWG ? what about DaOC or AO , EQ ? i don't want to buy SWG start playing and say : it's fucking stupid game , here bug , there bug , restart game , lose character because of error , ,, i want to start game and say this game is cool and continue playing without BIG problems (every game have small bugs). What do you think about that ?
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Squeee
Well i'll tell how your opinions are wrong... hmmm... eehrr..... AAh got it! Repetative is spelled repetitive.
Got you good heh? Had to step in since SugarBofin seems to have deserted us.
Seriously, you got good points.
Wow, this tread really caught fire since i left it yesterday!! Really don't know what up with this dude, flaming everybody with a critic on SWG.... Next, he'll say the swrinkwrap on the box was the best thing he ever ate.
Question (constructive one!): Is there hope for the game? What wouls it take to make it good?
Mobydix,
The only part of SugarBofin's post (apart from the "storyline thing") i criticized was when he started elevating his post by calling names.
How do you make your post the best one? By writing something really inspired and insightfull? Or by bashing on other's posts to put them bellow you? Sugar seems to like the later tactic.
And when i get bashed on without personnal provocation, i fume, i boil, i take ablaze and i then i flame!
But that's just me.
OK.... let's put it this way. Mistake on my part.
Your right, the game does sound like it sucks pretty awful. I thank all of you guys for saving me the time and money I would have spent on this game.
Sorry Sogar...... they said your were wrong. Must be true then, you know I am the type of person to listen to what everyone else says. I am also the type to like only the things the consensus likes too. I guess I am your prototypical sheep waiting to be herded. BAAAAHHH!!!!!
---------------------------------------------- You heard it here first......
You heard it here first......
Heh,
Good point...
Again... i don't mind conflicting points of view if they are given without name calling.
As for the herd... they're pretty much all ingame at this hour.
read this
http://www.techtv.com/xplay/reviews/story/0,24330,3486298,00.html
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I never had anything against you either, it is about time these boards had a good heated discussion. You remind me of the roommate I had my freshman year in college, wich is why I kept arguing.
Good luck boss and don't be a stranger, hell I will probably try SWG again....One day.
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HomestarRunner.net
"Its dot com!"
Well, I agree with squee in that the game has its isues, but overall it is an excellent game with alot of variety to it. There are SO many things you can do in this game. While it does desparately need player cities, mounts and vehicles, and other upgrades promised to us, it is still WELL worth the time to play. But I always tell everyone, if you REALLY want to get the scoop on what it's like and what's going on in the game, visit the SWG forums for that. This is not the place where players get together to talk about the details of the game. More often than not, threads like this become the home of flamers who have nothing better to do than light up the MMORPG.com forums with insults because they were expecting they could step into an episode of Yugi-oh, with VR glasses on.
It's a game, it's not even 2 months old. Have patience, enjoy what there is and look forward to the better stuff soon.
-Brihtwulf
"Ain't no mystical energy field controls my destiny!"
Well first off... I hate to revive this topic... but I feel like I have to. Secondly, I'm pro SWG, and I was wondering what it is exactly that you guys want from the game. You have all shown in explicit detail its flaws (although with some exagerations, and I'm sorry, but the entertainer afk thing is an absolute lie...), but what do you think would make it better? Be constructive, dont just flame the crap out of the game. Admitedly, many of the flaws you pointed out exist, and perhaps the game should have been released later, but I really dont mind it, and have already paid for my second month. Are the bugs so bad they make the game unplayable for you? Some of them give me 15 minutes at the most of annoyance, but none have ever made me think to myself, "This sucks! I quit!"
In addition, you REALLY need to stop acting like this game is something other than an MMORPG, and singeling it out as some sort of ultimate mega game. Can anyone honestly say they've never seen launch bugs before? I highly doubt it, and if you havent you really arent experienced enough to be posting on this thread. And seriously stop complaining about the price. If you want to you can, but complaining about the price and the bugs is just ridiculous. I admit the $80 (special addition)+$15 per month is a little steep, but paying a team of people to fix the bugs isnt free, so stop acting like it is. Also, the content you continously demand is on its way, just check the web site, and its obvious they are trying their hardest to get it out to us, you just have to be patient. The game is still fun, even without the amazing launch polish you seemed to have expected, and at least its a good time to level your character so you can enjoy the good stuff when it gets here.
Thanks for listening, and I await any comments/responses you guys have.
If you ever run into a biospark...run away
m/ METAL IS LIFE
If you ever run into a biospark...run away
\m/ METAL IS LIFE
Heres the real deal.
First off, I have played MMORPGs for a long time. UO, AC, AC2, AO, E&B, EVE, DAOC, and even a brief stint with EQ.
In my opinion, the best games from that list, were UO and AO respectively. I have very fond memories of UO (but havent played it in over a year, just cant make myself go back.) AO is a great game, and still IS a great game, even if it does get monotonous after L160. Now, back to the subject.
I was in SWG beta from beta 2 on. I was one of the beta testers that was raising hell about the game was NOT ready...and I would NEVER buy it if it went public this soon. Well...I caved in, and bought it about a week after it went live. YES, the game has bugs. However, it is still a very playable and enjoyable game.
Content wise, it may seem shallow for those of you that suffer from ADD, but if you actually READ the missions, and TALK with NPCs, there is a lot going on in the game. The Jabba missions are quite fun and challenging. And I stumbled upon the rebel quest by bumping into Han Solo and Chewbacca in a cantina on a remote planet.
I truthfully believe that the majority of the naysayers about this game are under the age of 18, and have the attention span of a gnat. (The other ones bitching about the game are those without the proper hardware to make it scream (which, IMO is because of piss poor programming)...I am running a AMD XP2600+, 1.5GB PC2700 RAM, ATI Radeon 9800Pro, and a cable connection, I experience absolutely NO lag, and frame rates in the high 20s to 30, even in Anchorhead during pvp raids (with over 60 people (PCs), and another 50-60 NPCs) running at 1280x1024.
The PVP system is one of the best I have experienced. The faction system actually WORKS. (There are a couple of exploits currently, but they are being fixed with the patch today.) I always hate to see nerfs and cries for balance, but there are some "glaring" issues that are being addressed (again, with todays patch. The use of the "knockdown" skill, for instance.)
All in all, the graphics are by far, the best in the MMORPG genre. The flexibility of character creation, the best in the MMORPG genre. The crafting system, the best in the MMORPG genre. The PVP system, one of the best in the MMORPG genre. The player driven economy...never thought it would work or happen, but to my amazement, I was COMPLETELY wrong. The player driven economy DOES work, and IS working. (I actually hopped planets last night, to visit a recommended weaponsmith and picked up 8 or 9 weapons for my crew) The community is mixxed, waiting for the majority of our ritalin addicted school age players to move on to the next "big" thing. There are some serious issues with a few classes being broke (IE: commando, bio-engineers, and chefs for example.)
The things I have seen wrong with the game to date are, they should NOT have released the game before including mounts and vehicles. They should NOT have made it so easy to control the alpha pets (they are fixing this today in the patch). They should NOT have released the game with ANY broken professions.
Call me a fanboi, call me whatever. Its the damn truth, simple as it gets. Its a good game, one of the best. (And NO, I do not include EQ as one of the best. I tried playing that awful game for all of a day, and could not get past the horrid graphics. Im sure the content and game play are great, I just couldnt get past the graphics.)
Sothorn
(pardon any typos, half asleep)
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"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one."
Sorry, I know I said I wouldn't be coming back to this topic, but I just had to make something clear.
"Its the damn truth, simple as it gets. "
Just would like to remind you that you gave your opinion of the game.
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My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!"
Customer: "How fast will my COM ports go?"
Tech Support: "How hard can you throw your computer?"
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The items I addressed, are the truths about the game. The good, the bad, and the ugly.
Is SWG playable and enjoyable? Yes. Does SWG have bugs? Yes. Are there broke classes? Yes. Is it worth the money to play? Yes. It is easily as enjoyable as any of the other top tier MMO's out.
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"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one."
"Is SWG playable and enjoyable? Yes."
Does everyone enjoy the game? Nope, thus making it your opinion that the game is enjoyable and fun.
Playable yes it is that is a fact, they have worked it to the point that it is playable.
"Is it worth the money to play? Yes. It is easily as enjoyable as any of the other top tier MMO's out."
Do I realy have to explain why these sentences are opinions?
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My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!"
Customer: "How fast will my COM ports go?"
Tech Support: "How hard can you throw your computer?"
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it is BUGGYYYYYYY. but a good game as long as your not a crafter, we get screwed about every other day by the bugs
three times just yesterday
Let me get this right: The dragons breath knocks you over the 300' cliff onto the jagged rocks below and you want a saving throw?
Its not THAT buggy... Ok... Yeah... Alright its pretty damn buggy... I got stuckon the bottom floor of my PA hall because stupid elevator wouldnt go up, so my PA mate had to KILL me. While I was running back to the Hall I tried to burst run to go faster, and lost the burst run in under five seconds because I started swimming for a split second. Why would swimming instantly make you lose all your energy, even if it was for a split second? Ahhhh it wouldnt... but this game has lots of bugs. Also today I was fighting a PVP war in town. I have almost exactly the specs Sugar described, and man are you WRONG. My processer is even twice as fast, and I got a SLIDESHOW. As in like .1 or .2 frames per second. Thats not a typo, it actually took several seconds for each frame to appear. That is not good, I will tell you that. I do have 56k tho, and I think that may be an issue. The game should still be playable on a thinner band connection tho. Anyway, I do like this game despite these flaws, and I think you guys are way to hard on it. However most of the posts are just personal issues, such as "thats an opinion", or "you will just think im a fanboi" or whatever. It doesnt really matter if they call you a fanboi, because if you're not a fanboi theres not reason to be offended. So really stop talking about anything having to do with fabois in general, or things about facts and opinions. Theres no such thing as an objective opinion really. Even saying, "that is a rock" is opinionated. Someone else might use a different word for rock. Only feelings can really be facts. Words cant express anything but opinions. Get over it. Now finally. About the game... Whats the deal with the over reaction to bugs? As.. I forgot his name said above, in a good post I thought, the game does have bugs yes, but they arent bugs that make you go, "What the hell? This is gay... my item disappeared... Holy shit, screw that I quit this game." They should make you go, "Oh damn... Well I guess Ill just have to buy another one, only one missions worth of money anyway." If you'd like to write SOE and tell them youd like maybe a cent or two back because they made you waste 10 minutes of play time, be my guest. I'm sure they will comply to avoid being sued. But for the love of god... dont quit the game or not want to pay money for it because some bugs make you lose 15 minutes of your time. If they annoy that much it means youre having fun with the game anyway. I must admit the broken classes are utter bullshit and I can totally feel for those of you that got screwed wanting to be a commando. Hope they fix that soon and stop screwing other classes. Hmmmm... what else... Well I guess thats it. That was a fairly long post so I hope youll take the time to read it all. Thanks guys.
-Troupe
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well , i'll buy this game , i never played in mmorpg but i think i'll like this , what do you think about mmorpgs , maybe there're others mmorpgs , better than SWG ? what about DaOC or AO , EQ ? i don't want to buy SWG start playing and say : it's fucking stupid game , here bug , there bug , restart game , lose character because of error , ,, i want to start game and say this game is cool and continue playing without BIG problems (every game have small bugs). What do you think about that ?
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