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[Review] Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn: The Original Release Reviewed

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  • HachiroHachiro Member Posts: 92

     




    Originally posted by Abriael





    Originally posted by KcebEnyaw

     

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    hah!! a reviewer is never good enough, doesn't have enough technical know how or qualified to write a review if he/she gives low scores to your favorite game. nothing new. But i would trust his technical know how more then say you who thinks that FFXIV is the only MMO in near future to have amazing graphics and that somehow it means something for overall gameplay.

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    Heso o kamedomo oyobanu -- Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.

  • AbriaelAbriael Member Posts: 129

    Originally posted by Hachiro

    So that is your opinion not a fact and i disagree with it completely. GW2, TSW and Tera all have future proof graphics and yes it played Korean version of game and it looks gorgeous even better than FFXIV copy paste world which is completely devoid of character and life.

    As far as game play will improve we will see about that in future. But i have little hope. Since we are already getting much superior gameplay + amazing graphics with games like GW2 and Tera so hardly any reasons left to wait for this supposedly solid improvements to FFXIV.

    Sorry too little and too late.

    You played the "korean version" of GW2 and TSW? Wow! Where do I apply? LOL

    Of TSW we saw very, very little, and the game is still a loooong way away. Both Guild Wars 2 and Tera have extremely outdated engines that are average Korean/Korean-like MMORPG flavor. The character eye view reveals clearly low quality textures, low polygon models (that are ridiculous in GW2, while Tera is mostly lacking in the environments and textures) and sub-par effects.

    None of them get even near to compare to the graphical lush of FFXIV.

    Adding lush environments and places can always be done. Radically changing the engine to bring it up to par is something that's very rare in the industry and requires a lot more effort and resources.

    Too little too late? Says who?

    By when those games will launch (and we don't even know when yet), FFXIV will have evolved, and will still have a superior engine, that opens more visual possibility. Those games will be severely limited at the top end by their engines. 

    They'll very possibly be very enjoyable, but they have little bearing to the quality of FFXIV, present or future.

  • BTrayaLBTrayaL Member UncommonPosts: 624

    Originally posted by Mustardtiger

    Originally posted by Hachiro

     




    Originally posted by Abriael






    Originally posted by Hachiro

     










     

    What does the "copy paste world which is completely devoid of character and life" have to do with it's graphics?

    They have already addressed the issues with the maps and some zones, complete zone redesigns in the works, this was mentioned a few pages back.

    Why don't you stop with the "ALREADY ADRESSED" stuff, jeeez?

    Is it in game RIGHT NOW? Well, it's not freaking already adressed!

    They PROMISSED stuff? True! Is it here? No! So... is it "already adressed"? NO!!!

    Did you see what I just did there, with the present/future tenses? Have you spotted the difference?.. not complicated, really.

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  • HachiroHachiro Member Posts: 92


    Originally posted by Abriael

    Originally posted by Hachiro
    So that is your opinion not a fact and i disagree with it completely. GW2, TSW and Tera all have future proof graphics and yes it played Korean version of game and it looks gorgeous even better than FFXIV copy paste world which is completely devoid of character and life.
    As far as game play will improve we will see about that in future. But i have little hope. Since we are already getting much superior gameplay + amazing graphics with games like GW2 and Tera so hardly any reasons left to wait for this supposedly solid improvements to FFXIV.
    Sorry too little and too late.
    You played the "korean version" of GW2 and TSW? Wow! Where do I apply? LOL
    Of TSW we saw very, very little, and the game is still a loooong way away. Both Guild Wars 2 and Tera have extremely outdated engines that are average Korean/Korean-like MMORPG flavor. The character eye view reveals clearly low quality textures, low polygon models (that are ridiculous in GW2, while Tera is mostly lacking in the environments and textures) and sub-par effects.
    None of them get even near to compare to the graphical lush of FFXIV.
    Adding lush environments and places can always be done. Radically changing the engine to bring it up to par is something that's very rare in the industry and requires a lot more effort and resources.
    Too little too late? Says who?
    By when those games will launch (and we don't even know when yet), FFXIV will have evolved, and will still have a superior engine, that opens more visual possibility. Those games will be severely limited at the top end by their engines. 
    They'll very possibly be very enjoyable, but they have little bearing to the quality of FFXIV, present or future.

    It is obvious i was talking about TERA but you got to act smart about it isn't it? anyways back to topic.

    I don't think i can take you seriously after you wrote

    *Both Guild Wars 2 and Tera have extremely outdated engines that are average Korean/Korean-like MMORPG flavor*

    like i said it is your opinion but sorry that was completely false and most idiotic thing i have read in a while.

    Heso o kamedomo oyobanu -- Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.

  • MustardtigerMustardtiger Member Posts: 17

    Yeah it's already been addressed, they are aware of the issue, not sure what to say... enjoy pointing out the faults they are currently working on, while you can?

    Honestly I'm still waiting for you to answer my question as to where I was praising the game in it's current state. I am well aware of it's current flaws, but I can also see beyond that, you speak as if they are happy with the game as it stands, and this is it.

    Also I like how I am not able to talk about the future and confirmed improvements coming to FF14, but you are able to compare games that haven't even got a release date to it?.........??

  • AbriaelAbriael Member Posts: 129

    Originally posted by BTrayaL

    Why don't you stop with the "ALREADY ADRESSED" stuff, jeeez?

    Is it in game RIGHT NOW? Well, it's not freaking already adressed!

    They PROMISSED stuff? True! Is it here? No! So... is it "already adressed"? NO!!!

    Did you see what I just did there, with the present/future tenses? Have you spotted the difference?.. not complicated, really.

    I also don't see Guild Wars 2, Tera or the other UNRELEASED games that don't even have  a firm release date yet. Though it seems that for some the promises from Bluehole, ArenaNet or others are valid arguments, while those from Square Enix are not.

    I see what you did there.

  • AbriaelAbriael Member Posts: 129

    Originally posted by Hachiro

    It is obvious i was talking about TERA but you got to act smart about it isn't it? anyways back to topic.



    I don't think i can take you seriously after you wrote

    *Both Guild Wars 2 and Tera have extremely outdated engines that are average Korean/Korean-like MMORPG flavor*

    like i said it is your opinion but sorry that was completely false and most idiotic thing i have read in a while.

    "YOUR OPINION IS FALSE!"

    I'm sure I'm not the only one able to see the contradiction there.

    Sorry mate. It's no opinion. Polycount, texture resolution and mapping effects are no opinion, they are mathematical aspects that have nothing to do with subjectivity. Both Guild Wars 2 and Tera are radically inferior under that point of view, while of TSW we didn't even see enough to judge-

  • AbriaelAbriael Member Posts: 129

    Originally posted by Hachiro

    Nice considering you are the one foaming in rage from mouth since the review came out. No i am not mad but i find every post of yours very ironic and hilarious and that someone like you could even challenge the reviewer for lack of his technical skills to write a review.

    And no i have no favorite upcoming MMOS because i am excited about every upcoming new MMO just as i was about FFXIV till i got a chance to play it. But thanks for making irrelevant assumptions once again. Stick to raging and moaning about low scores and leave reviewing to professionals.

    At least I know that graphics and UI functionality are very different topics and shouldn't be mixed, as I know that a game needs to be played extensively before reviewing it. Things that the reviewer seems to have overlooked. 

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    Sorry to burst a bubble ere, but bashing a game you hate doesn't make one a pro. 

  • HachiroHachiro Member Posts: 92


    Originally posted by Abriael


    Originally posted by Hachiro
    It is obvious i was talking about TERA but you got to act smart about it isn't it? anyways back to topic.

    I don't think i can take you seriously after you wrote
    *Both Guild Wars 2 and Tera have extremely outdated engines that are average Korean/Korean-like MMORPG flavor*
    like i said it is your opinion but sorry that was completely false and most idiotic thing i have read in a while.

    "YOUR OPINION IS FALSE!"
    I'm sure I'm not the only one able to see the contradiction there.
    Sorry mate. It's no opinion. Polycount, texture resolution and mapping effects are no opinion, they are mathematical aspects that have nothing to do with subjectivity. Both Guild Wars 2 and Tera are radically inferior under that point of view, while of TSW we didn't even see enough to judge-

    What contradiction that i find your opinions false and idiotic? if you feel the same about my opinions feel free to do so but i am sure more would agree with me when i say you are wrong regarding what you just said about GW2 and TERA graphics being cheap Korean knock offs.

    As far as subjectivity is concerned everything we are discussing here is subjective but that doesn't mean you can make ridiculous statements and get away with it only because you are being subjective just like when people use 'IMO tags.

    Heso o kamedomo oyobanu -- Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.

  • AbriaelAbriael Member Posts: 129

    Originally posted by Hachiro

    What contradiction that i find your opinions false and idiotic? if you feel the same about my opinions feel free to do so but i am sure more would agree with me when i say you are wrong regarding what you just said about GW2 and TERA graphics being cheap Korean knock offs.

    As far as subjectivity is concerned everything we are discussing here is subjective but that doesn't mean you can make ridiculous statements and get away with it only because you are being subjective just like when people use 'IMO tags.

    {mod edit} Opinions are subjective. As anything that's subjective they cannot be FALSE, which is an objective term.

    On the other hand Graphical quality ganted by an engine is NOT subjective. It's a matter of numbers. the texture resolution supported, the effects implemented, the count of polygins, that's not a matter of opinion. 

    Art Direction is subjective, but as great you think the art direction of the upcoming games you listed is, it will always be limited by the limitations of the engine. On the other hand an engine with an higher output can have areas, equipment and assets with a better art direction added at any time. 

  • AbriaelAbriael Member Posts: 129

    Originally posted by Hachiro

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    You sure described them as such, and continue to do so, going as far as going against facts, denying that their engine is the usual korean/korean-like MMO fare. unfortunately for your argument, things as polycount and texture resolution are not a matter of opinion. They're both measurable numbers, and just to bring an example both Tera and GW2 have character textures of a resolution that's equates to a quarter of that displayed by the FFXIV engine.

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  • MikeBMikeB Community ManagerAdministrator RarePosts: 6,555

    Hi everyone,

    Looks like the message didn't get through to you guys. We're going to be locking this one up temporarily so we can clean things up. I apologize for the inconvenience but we do appreciate your patience!

  • MikeBMikeB Community ManagerAdministrator RarePosts: 6,555

    Alright! We're back in business!

    Let's keep it constructive and civil from this point on folks. Consider this your warning.

  • Delsus1Delsus1 Member Posts: 48

    Just dont resort to banning people for having a differant oppinion to the reviewer, like I have seen you do. Nice way to make the public listen to you, ban everyone who has a differant oppinion to a reviewer

  • MikeBMikeB Community ManagerAdministrator RarePosts: 6,555

    Originally posted by Delsus1

    Just dont resort to banning people for having a differant oppinion to the reviewer, like I have seen you do. Nice way to make the public listen to you, ban everyone who has a differant oppinion to a reviewer

    I don't have any stake in what your opinion is. It's not what it is -- it's how you deliver it and whether it's relevant and/or appropriate to the discussion. Attacknig the author in any way is never appropriate. Criticiising what the author wrote without insulting them is actually quite possible.

    Same goes for you guys. Disagree, agree with each other all you like, but don't attack or belittle eachother while doing so. It's not complicated.

  • GetalifeGetalife Member CommonPosts: 786

    Originally posted by Abriael

    Originally posted by Hachiro

    What contradiction that i find your opinions false and idiotic? if you feel the same about my opinions feel free to do so but i am sure more would agree with me when i say you are wrong regarding what you just said about GW2 and TERA graphics being cheap Korean knock offs.

    As far as subjectivity is concerned everything we are discussing here is subjective but that doesn't mean you can make ridiculous statements and get away with it only because you are being subjective just like when people use 'IMO tags.

    Fine, I'll be nice and explain it to you. Opinions are subjective. As anything that's subjective they cannot be FALSE, which is an objective term.

    On the other hand Graphical quality ganted by an engine is NOT subjective. It's a matter of numbers. the texture resolution supported, the effects implemented, the count of polygins, that's not a matter of opinion. 

    Art Direction is subjective, but as great you think the art direction of the upcoming games you listed is, it will always be limited by the limitations of the engine. On the other hand an engine with an higher output can have areas, equipment and assets with a better art direction added at any time. 

    I would really like to know from where are you getting your so called facts? you seem quite sure that Tera and GW2 will be limited by its engine limitations? and no they both look like usual Korean MMO fare is not a valid reason, hell this reasoning doesn't even make sense.

    GW engine was developed by Anet from scratch and they have nothing to do with Korea or Korean MMOS what so ever. Also if graphics are pleasing to eyes and runs well on your machine an average player could care less for all the techincal blabbering. And both Tera and GW2 look good and run well and releasing with amazing gameplay right out of the box.

    Everything that you said regarding polygon  and texture reslution is still an opinion unless you have some insider information regarding TERA and GW2 engines and their future limitations but you do not.

  • Delsus1Delsus1 Member Posts: 48



    Originally posted by MikeB







    Originally posted by Delsus1



    Just dont resort to banning people for having a differant oppinion to the reviewer, like I have seen you do. Nice way to make the public listen to you, ban everyone who has a differant oppinion to a reviewer

    I don't have any stake in what your opinion is. It's not what it is -- it's how you deliver it and whether it's relevant and/or appropriate to the discussion. Attacknig the author in any way is never appropriate. Criticiising what the author wrote without insulting them is actually quite possible.

    Same goes for you guys. Disagree, agree with each other all you like, but don't attack or belittle eachother while doing so. It's not complicated.






     

    If the author (or the website) chose to put a review up after the next patch, the huge amout of bias and conspirisy thories that came are the author and the websites fault.

    [mod edit - non constructive]Your writer and editor is at fault 1.18 is in 3 days from now, you waited 10 months I want to know why it was chosen to review it less than 1 week from the FIRST MAJOR PATCH and havent heard that yet, even through a PM to the author.

    The author has alot to anwer for


  • mindw0rkmindw0rk Member UncommonPosts: 1,356

    Square Enix has so many talanted game developers and years of experience, including MMO. How they could fail that hard?

  • MikeBMikeB Community ManagerAdministrator RarePosts: 6,555

    Originally posted by labelwhore

    Originally posted by MikeB

    Alright! We're back in business!

    Let's keep it constructive and civil from this point on folks. Consider this your warning.

    Here's some constuctive crticism/advice. Don't ban/block everyone that has a differing opinion from your staff. And if you know a game has a MAJOR content patch just days away from when you plan to post a review, it's best to wait until after said patch and consider revising the review with any relavant changes.

    We don't. As for your comments regarding the timing of the review, it's been noted and I will forward it along to editorial, but please keep in mind that reviews are planned out and scheduled well in advance of their publish date to allow the reviewer time to properly assess the game. MMOs are always evolving, and this game in particular has been out more than long enough to warrant a review.

    We revist games all the time, and I'm sure Final Fantasy XIV will be no different. If the game improves with this upcoming patch and continues to improve by the time we get around to looking at it again it may receive a better score.

  • Delsus1Delsus1 Member Posts: 48

    Also they mentioned confirmed changes as rumours which shows your reviewers dont know whats going on behind the scenes at all

  • BoA*BoA* Member UncommonPosts: 159

    Originally posted by MikeB

     

    We don't. As for your comments regarding the timing of the review, it's been noted and I will forward it along to editorial, but please keep in mind that reviews are planned out and scheduled well in advance of their publish date to allow the reviewer time to properly assess the game. MMOs are always evolving, and this game in particular has been out more than long enough to warrant a review.

    We revist games all the time, and I'm sure Final Fantasy XIV will be no different. If the game improves with this upcoming patch and continues to improve by the time we get around to looking at it again it may receive a better score.

    The question still remains though, Why wait this long just to review the game? Why not when the game released nearly a year ago. It could have gone like review the game when it comes out, then rereview once they start charging for subs or a year later.

  • CyntheCynthe Member UncommonPosts: 1,414

    Originally posted by Getalife

     

    Everything that you said regarding polygon  and texture reslution is sitll an opinion unless you have some insider information regarding TERA and GW2 engines and there future limitations but you do not.

    It's not an opinion it is very much fact. What is opinion is whether such things are relevant to player enjoyment. It's relevant to certain players but not all, probably not most. 

    GW1 was always limited by it's engine, while it looked gorgeous for the first 2 years it quickly aged, Abriael seems to think GW2 will be similar, this isn't speculation, this is fact. Aion is in the same boat, it will age a lot faster then FFXIV because it's engine only puts out so much. I don't know about TERA because I don't care about that game. Rule of thumb is that if a game is hard to run when it first launches it's going to age very well in terms of graphics while others that can be played by everyone won't. 

    These are either things you approve of or do not, there are reasons on both sides why one approach is better then the other. I personally prefer longevity. 

    Anyway 1.18 also brings settlements!! These are the new quest hubs we believe, I didn't even expect them until later so this is very nice. XD Yay! 

    As to the subject of this thread being trolled, I guess it's a good indication that people are genuinely upset about this article and perhaps MMORPG.com could take this into consideration next time they launch reviews. Timing is everything. 

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  • QSatuQSatu Member UncommonPosts: 1,796

    There were almost no changes since launch. And no adding target mode a and target mode b isn't worth to mention in a review when you still need to use a controller to play the game. the only thing which somehow improved the game was making the ui less laggy and maybe some nms. Still the ui is less laggy but still a mess and nms didn;t help with the core of the game. FF XIV didn't have any substantial changes since release. Patch 1.18 will be the first.

  • MikeBMikeB Community ManagerAdministrator RarePosts: 6,555

    If you'd like me to address your feedback, cut it with the non-constructive comments (e.g. insinuating the review is a "troll attempt" by the author).

    Again, we appreciate your frustration, but we'll most certainly be looking at the game again at some point this year. At the very least, we'll be taking a look at how 1.18 has affected the game.

    In any case, this is our review of the game based on what the game was like when it was under review. That's the beginning and end of it. I'm sorry if you're unhappy with that, but all I can do is assure you we'll be looking at it again. The review is not going to be pulled, we stand by it completely. That is our position.

  • Delsus1Delsus1 Member Posts: 48

    Originally posted by TwilightEdge



    There were almost no changes since launch. And no adding target mode a and target mode b isn't worth to mention in a review when you still need to use a controller to play the game. the only thing which somehow improved the game was making the ui less laggy and maybe some nms. Still the ui is less laggy but still a mess and nms didn;t help with the core of the game. FF XIV didn't have any substantial changes since release. Patch 1.18 will be the first.


     

    So theres no NMs, no sidequests, no SP changes, no new crafting recipies, no behest changes? while they are small (cept NMs cos there fun) they are worthy of review, even if it doesnt change the score, somthing like "while Guildleves are boring and repetive there have been a few SP ajustments since launch, which makes the lower levels a bit less of a grind" or "In Square Enix's desperate attempt to give users new content they have releasesed a hand full of NMs that can give decent gear, and the respawn rates are reletively short so no more standing around for hours waiting forr a spawn, just to loose it, however the drop rates are really low which makes the lower respawn a little redundant because you can kill over and over again with no drops".

    That would be how you review SP changes and NMs, no bias, shows both side of the argument and shows that you have actually played the game, the 3 most important things in a review

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