If you'd like me to address your feedback, cut it with the non-constructive comments (e.g. insinuating the review is a "troll attempt" by the author).
Again, we appreciate your frustration, but we'll most certainly be looking at the game again at some point this year. At the very least, we'll be taking a look at how 1.18 has affected the game.
Except that 1.18 is only the begninning of the revamp and will not be enough to illustrate where this game is going. I'd wait until next year. Or at least this winter. What I do know is that if everything goes the way it's planned out this time next year this will be a whole new game and unfortunally not many people will be aware. Or perhaps FFXIV fans should create their own buzz..
But seems this is your very least I don't expect a whole lot. Part of this problem isn't your site's fault but SE who should have known better to launch this when it did but it does make me sad this site only caters to some games. Also apparently your commenters aren't allowed to disagree with each other. Now I am reminded of the real reason why I left this place.
It surprises me that the FFXIV-heads are getting their knickers in a twist over this review. It isn't like the game hasn't already been butt-reamed by just about every other gaming media outlet already. At least MMORPG.com gave the game a good 10 months for Square Enix to try and get their shit together. Everyone else torched the crap out of the game after 3-4 weeks at best.
MMORPG.com isn't at fault for their review of FFXIV. Square Enix is. They have noone else to blame but themselves for the state of the game (past and present) and the negative opinions that FFXIV has drawn from the MMO community. FFXIV is like the new Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.
Wow, this much drama over a game most would agree fell way short of expectations. And here I thought MO fans were the epitome of the "rabid-defenders-of-my-favorite-game" archtype of the MMO genre. I guess I stand corrected.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
Seems odd to wait this long to post a review right before the new development team makes changes.
All this could have been said opening week or opening month. Why play FFXIV for so long to get an in-depth review of the state of things, when you stop just short of when they actually make changes. lol
I'm waiting to see what the new development team does with FFXIV, so if you waited a week and said 1.18 did not make FFXIV un-shitty, your article would still be pertinent. Now, after the Friday patch, we don't really know if this review remains true. It loses significance.
Are we going to have to wait another year for an article of how FFXIV after they actually made changes? lol
If you'd like me to address your feedback, cut it with the non-constructive comments (e.g. insinuating the review is a "troll attempt" by the author).
Again, we appreciate your frustration, but we'll most certainly be looking at the game again at some point this year. At the very least, we'll be taking a look at how 1.18 has affected the game.
Except that 1.18 is only the begninning of the revamp and will not be enough to illustrate where this game is going. I'd wait until next year. Or at least this winter. What I do know is that if everything goes the way it's planned out this time next year this will be a whole new game and unfortunally not many people will be aware. Or perhaps FFXIV fans should create their own buzz..
But seems this is your very least I don't expect a whole lot. Part of this problem isn't your site's fault but SE who should have known better to launch this when it did but it does make me sad this site only caters to some games. Also apparently your commenters aren't allowed to disagree with each other. Now I am reminded of the real reason why I left this place.
Goodbye again MMORPG.com
So keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting? You got their answer. This review was scheduled long before it was actually written. The reviewer probably started writing when those "changes" were still rumours. I'm sorry to say, but nobody can ever tell if something is going to have a positive reception until it's been released. You should create lots of buzz. FFXIV is heading in the right direction and it has a big heart and only time can tell whether or not that is good enough.
Commenters are encouraged to share their opinion and disagree to the highest degree. What's not acceptable (and what MikeB has interated 3? times already in this thread, excluding damage control) is that baiting, trolling, harrassing, talking down, etc., is not acceptable. I don't know what the official forums for SE allow but it's a tad different here if those concepts are new to those who have jumped from there to here.
This was the argument that myself and others were trying to make last night when fans of the game were ripping us apart. I do not understand it. MikeB confirmed that the review had been in the pipeline for a while. Sure, its just now coming about but that's just how it happens. He even confirms they will re-visit the game.
Last night, the argument was "This review is not fair/accurate because 1.18 comes soon". Now its 1.18 is only one step in the process. Now we must wait until the Fall, or 6 months or one year from now? I do not get it.
Don't get me wrong, I wish SE all the best and hope they can turn the game around. I have seen enough MMo failures to last a lifetime. But asking the community to wait 6 months or a year is not going to happen. FFXIV will be a blip on the radar by the time numerous quality AAA titles launch in the next year (and I am not just referring to MMO's).
The review is for the game as it is NOW, regardless of the state it is in. And right now the review is accurate for the state of the game.
This is the vicious cycle of delusion which many die-hard FF fans got themselves trapped in to since before the game came out, during testing. Many people could see that the game was not going to do well, but the die-hard fans would use the excuse, "But it's only in beta! It'll be better by launch!"
"The game launched but didn't do so well... Give it a few more months!"
...and so on.
The same thing is happening now and will most likely happen again after 1.18, 1.19 and 1.20. This is why they're now saying to not review the game after 1.18, because they want to keep this cycle going. The people who are caught up in this rift of delusions just cannot be reasoned with unfortunately.
I'm gonna agree with the guys here that say it seems REALLY odd timing to hold off a review all this time and then do one a few days before their big fixit patch (at least the first big one)... Would have been a more cedible piece if it had ackowledged the facts of the planned improvement.
If you'd like me to address your feedback, cut it with the non-constructive comments (e.g. insinuating the review is a "troll attempt" by the author).
Again, we appreciate your frustration, but we'll most certainly be looking at the game again at some point this year. At the very least, we'll be taking a look at how 1.18 has affected the game.
In any case, this is our review of the game based on what the game was like when it was under review. That's the beginning and end of it. I'm sorry if you're unhappy with that, but all I can do is assure you we'll be looking at it again. The review is not going to be pulled, we stand by it completely. That is our position.
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She calls auto attacks a rumor. How can she as someone who Bill Murphy (and I'm going to accuse him of lieing here, or at least of being misled by the author) said had been playing the spending "a long time in the game" not be aware that this is in a patch coming out the WEEK OF HER REVIEW. Even if she did not ever visit the lodestone, which as someone writing a paid (you do pay your contributors don't you?) article she should have done in her research; she still should have been aware of it from interacting with other players in game.
The review was poorly written because she gave no evidence of this "lenthy period" she supposedly spent playing the game. She refers to guildleves as quests, I can understand the argument that they are similar to "poor repeatable quests" in other MMO's however as someone playing and review this game, she should understand the difference between these and actual quests and have made that distinction in her review. Not only with guildleves but with all game systems she makes no attempt of putting them into context or going into detail, instead offering only her final opinion. Well as a freelance writer who spends most of her time writing about her love of Desperate Housewives and Grey's anatomy her opinion lacks the gravity to be taken without supporting arguments and context.
She goes on to accuse Square Enix of providing an uninteresting and disjointed storyline, which again she bases off her experiences of tutorial quests (2 minutes worth of playing) and guildleves which again are not main sources of lore. The actual story of FFXIV I find far from uninteresting or improperly woven together, the dynamic between the Garlean invaders and the free cities of Eorzea along with a possible tentative alliance with the beastman alliance and their primal gods (summons from Final Fantasy lore) is anything but uninteresting or uninspired. Yet even if she disagreed with that assessment she should have at least judged it its proper context by giving examples from the actual storyline and defending her opinion/score in this regard.
I take no issue with a poor review of the game in its current state, what I have a problem with is you posting a review like this which is so utterly lacking in unique analysis now. If you were going to make such a half hearted attempt at a review you could have at least done us all a favor and posted it closer to the release date, rather than shortly before the beginning of the long awaited revamps. Surely she did not almost a year to write such an article, I could have done it in ten minutes with the game. {mod edit}
This is a horrid horrid game. There were actually people fired and things got reorganized because of this total fiasco but game will never recover. I expect FFXIV servers to eventually close...
I've lost my faith in Square Enix after they released this peace of garbage. I've played FFXIII and still loved the company but when I tried FFXIV, oh my gosh... I could have never imagined that they will DESTROY the game like this... I wouldn't even give this game 5. I'd give it a TWO. TWO out of TEN.
I cry a little inside when I think about FFXIV how grand was the rise of the MMO through the great marketing campaign with CGIs and website info and how AWFUL was the fall, what the game could have been and how these morons destroyed the game from the bottom up. In my opinion this is the biggest disaster in the history of MMO. And my favorite JRPG game developer did this...
Furthermore they should focus letting this game as free to play mmo if they want ps3 users to buy it.
I doubt they would demean their flaghship series by making one of the #'d games a free to play mmo.
They seem pretty intent instead on working to fix what's wrong with it prior to the PS3 release and relaunching it with those fixes as well as new content (likely an expansion for existing PC players).
The manner the "Review" is written either shows it was written 7 months ago and published only now.
Or, MMORPG knows FFXIV doesn't get any foot traffic on this website (or the rest of the web for that matter) and they rubber stamped a "review" no reflecting the changes in the game.
MMORPG probably thought nobody would care or make a big deal about it, after all, no one really visits this website for FFXIV news.
However, as someone who frequents this site to get news on MMOS, i'm really disapointed at the lack of effort and diligence put into this review. It completely discredits your website as it relates to other reviews.
I woulnd't be surprised if the reviewer even new this game had an official website or that the producer writes monthly update letters. Poor effort.
Should have waited one week, included the 1.18 changes in the review and call it a day.
I think it was released 4 days before the big patch because the website and the reviewer are completely oblivious to the changes in FFXIV. Why should they be, this game doesn't register on their raider. But after this 38 page thread, maybe they'll take more pride and respect in their work product before releasing something.
You know how to fix a problem with timing, stop releasing poorly implemented games. Hell, this game should have been officially months ago, after a month of a release maybe. Gaming changing patches should not be common place in this industry. And if they decide to release one, this is a risk they take. It is not the job of reviewers to wait around until companies tell them its gtg to review their game.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
It is very tiring to have these reviews literally a week before a major game changing patch. First with STO now FF - not to mention the rating remains completely subjective, and a 5.1 in one review has no bearing on a 5.1 in another - because it only graded from the author's perspective.
It is very tiring to have these reviews literally a week before a major game changing patch. First with STO now FF - not to mention the rating remains completely subjective, and a 5.1 in one review has no bearing on a 5.1 in another - because it only graded from the author's perspective.
Please tighten up this review process MMORPG.com
This same sort of thing did happen not so long ago as you mention...
Also, let me add that the review was in progress long before Season 4 was set to hit live servers. We'll most certainly re-visit the game post-Season 4.
It is very tiring to have these reviews literally a week before a major game changing patch. First with STO now FF - not to mention the rating remains completely subjective, and a 5.1 in one review has no bearing on a 5.1 in another - because it only graded from the author's perspective.
Please tighten up this review process MMORPG.com
Ironically they are both games that are underperforming terribly and have both drove away potential customers in droves. Why does it seem to surprise so many that games standing on such shaky ground would rate bad reviews?
I'm fairly certain they both have recieved bad reviews from other sites as well. I think alot of people (especially those of us with post counts in the thousands spend atleast a little time on here almost every day so what's wrong with reviewing a game as it exists right now and revisiting when those changes actually take place?
You guys should be honest with yourselves and maybe ask yourself if you think a game you don't like deserves to have a review held until two or three patches are released or six to eight months after it releases?
I loved the FF series pre mmo's so I do wish them success but if they have a game out now that they are charging any money for I think sites like this should do there customers a service and review them when they begin charging money.
And to mmorpg I do hope that the next few games with horrible reputations are not allowed to exist and charge your customers good money for six months to a year especially when you are only going to get roasted and belittled by the few fans left of those games down the line.
i dont know where or why the comments are coming out that this game had never been reviewed before..
it had several times, even during closed beta there were reviews coming out.
i was a closed beta tester, had played FF11 from na release up until my invite to closed beta in 14.. now, well i play neither. 14 really soured me, tried to go back to 11 with all the abyssea stuff and just couldnt make myself enjoy it.
and i remember my email box popping up with reviews of 14 when beta was still going.. then when they released it, more bad press, more bad reviews, then they dropped the price, more bad press..
so how any of you all missed multiple reviews of 14 boggles my mind..
i do really appreciate the op posting this "newer" review showing and telling me that pretty much nothing has changed since beta and glad someone took the time because it saves me from getting bored one evening and trying it again..
hopefully in a week or two after this patch people are talking about gets implemented hopefully we will get another review or two on the changes..
as i always told people when i was beta testing the only real thing good i could say about it was "it looked pretty" but, has to be alot more to a game than "pretty" to keep me interested in it..
i tried being the good little beta tester, filled out my thoughts, sent in my bug and error reports i ran into.. and i can tell you from personal experience the complaints that have been in gaming forums since the game went live were the same complaints on the beta testing boards so yes it was all known over a year ago, well known..
i remember one post in particular from one of the designers saying "yes we know and are working on a better more user friendly interface" and it appears it never made it out.
never know maybe one of these days it will turn into a fun game to play.
i dont know where or why the comments are coming out that this game had never been reviewed before..
it had several times, even during closed beta there were reviews coming out.
i was a closed beta tester, had played FF11 from na release up until my invite to closed beta in 14.. now, well i play neither. 14 really soured me, tried to go back to 11 with all the abyssea stuff and just couldnt make myself enjoy it.
and i remember my email box popping up with reviews of 14 when beta was still going.. then when they released it, more bad press, more bad reviews, then they dropped the price, more bad press..
so how any of you all missed multiple reviews of 14 boggles my mind..
i do really appreciate the op posting this "newer" review showing and telling me that pretty much nothing has changed since beta and glad someone took the time because it saves me from getting bored one evening and trying it again..
hopefully in a week or two after this patch people are talking about gets implemented hopefully we will get another review or two on the changes..
as i always told people when i was beta testing the only real thing good i could say about it was "it looked pretty" but, has to be alot more to a game than "pretty" to keep me interested in it..
i tried being the good little beta tester, filled out my thoughts, sent in my bug and error reports i ran into.. and i can tell you from personal experience the complaints that have been in gaming forums since the game went live were the same complaints on the beta testing boards so yes it was all known over a year ago, well known..
i remember one post in particular from one of the designers saying "yes we know and are working on a better more user friendly interface" and it appears it never made it out.
never know maybe one of these days it will turn into a fun game to play.
hopefully.
Nobody is saying that the game wasn't reviewed - everyone's fully aware of the numerous reviews that ripped the game. However, there was never a MMORPG.com review until now, for some weird reason.
It's okay to criticize the review. It's constructive, provides feedback for them (and MMORPG.com) and you've had the freedom to express your opinion. However, when it comes to criticizing the reviewer, it's completely unnecassary and uncalled for.
It is very tiring to have these reviews literally a week before a major game changing patch. First with STO now FF - not to mention the rating remains completely subjective, and a 5.1 in one review has no bearing on a 5.1 in another - because it only graded from the author's perspective.
Please tighten up this review process MMORPG.com
Yes, a review of STO was just published right before a patch and many people were upset, but then the patch launched and the game hasn't gotten significantly better. In fact the patch was buggy and not well received. Waiting until a patch release would have made no difference. In fact the review might have been even more critical.
Now some devoted FF players are upset because the review is right before the patch. One person above suggests that they should even wait for a few more patches, maybe even a year, before they do a review of the game. I must strongly disagree with that for the following reasons:
1. The game is "released". If the game was still in a beta state then a review would make little sense except as a marketing update.
2. These developers/publishers, specifically SE in this case, is charging money for the game. The gamer public has a right to know how the game is doing right now, not how a patch might make it better, next week, month, or year. If SE can take someone's money, they can take the heat of a review. It's only fair.
3. Unless the game is closed and seeing a relaunch, it makes little difference if there is a review before some game systems patch. I would rather see a review now and then a review in a month to see how the patch has changed the game experience than not at all.
4. Players can review the game themselves. If players don't like a review we have the option of presenting our own. We can try our own hand at journalism and see how damn hard of a job it really is. We can take our chances and face the flaming public as they rip our opinions to shreds. But we can give our opinion about the game regardless, and that is a pretty powerful opportunity.
Maybe the review process could be "tightened up", but I would still rather see reviews written regardless of developer timelines and patch schedules. We as fans deserve more honest and critical opinions like this. The MMO and gaming industry in general has seen too many lenient reviews and gimmes for the sake of PR and we the gamers have suffered the worse for it.
Except they are not charging currently for FFXIV since the new development team took over.
Also you don't enjoy any honest opinion, you enjoy an honest opinion that validates your view. My honest opinion is different from the reviewer's but I doubt you would care enough to read it or the actual information on the game and upcoming patches I have posted in the FFXIV forums here which is backed up by facts not opinion and conjecture like the review/many comments here. Honest opinions are worth little in reality, that is why professional reviewers tend to back up their opinions with analysis and examples so that people can not only hear the reviewer's opinion but *gasp* form one of their own.
This review was poorly written, and the only reason anyone at all is defending it is because the game itself was poorly recieved on launch and so the review isn't out of place in that regard. If people would take the time to look for actual information on the game, even only so far as the stuff MMORPG has posted they would see how blatantly shallow and uninformed the review is, and hence why people are complaining.
This review was poorly written, and the only reason anyone at all is defending it is because the game itself was poorly recieved on launch and so the review isn't out of place in that regard. If people would take the time to look for actual information on the game, even only so far as the stuff MMORPG has posted they would see how blatantly shallow and uninformed the review is, and hence why people are complaining.
Or you could just tell us which parts of the review you found uninformed and shallow instead?
I haven't played the game in months, but I did have a several jobs at high level and I do follow the game (seeing as there is a chapter within the community I belong to). Nothing about the review screamed inaccurate to me.
This review was poorly written, and the only reason anyone at all is defending it is because the game itself was poorly recieved on launch and so the review isn't out of place in that regard. If people would take the time to look for actual information on the game, even only so far as the stuff MMORPG has posted they would see how blatantly shallow and uninformed the review is, and hence why people are complaining.
Or you could just tell us which parts of the review you found uninformed and shallow instead?
I haven't played the game in months, but I did have a several jobs at high level and I do follow the game (seeing as there is a chapter within the community I belong to). Nothing about the review screamed inaccurate to me.
I did that about a dozen times in this already as have others...
If you want to see if your complaints are going to be resolved you could read up on the information they regularly post on lodestone about the development their official forums or the FFXIV general forums here.
If your complaints included the copy+ paste world you can read about them revamping all the zones here, if your complaints included guildleves you can read about their announcement to do away with them as a central focus here, and some things they hope to repalce with soon here (soon as in next three patches, the first of which is this thursday), if your complaint was about the armory system the current classes (they are adding more defined job system mainly geared for specific roles in partying on top of it after 1.2) and combat you can read about some of those changes including auto attack and enmnity revisions. There is much more they are changing, and if you are more specific about your "unresolved complaints" maybe I can enlighten you about whether or not they plan to change it.
If you just want to be vague though... not much I can help with you. That is assuming you actually want information and aren't just trolling me.
I scored a free copy of this game and played it with a friend. I was uncomfortable with nearly everything in this game and hated it. However, I could see what Square-Enix was doing with this title. Despite this game being quite terrible the controls were very suited for a Playstation or Xbox and this game would probably have received an insanely high score if it was released for a console and not a computer. Computer games seemingly have a higher standard than console ones. I suspect much like FF11 this game will go to console and when it does, it'll do quite well.
I scored a free copy of this game and played it with a friend. I was uncomfortable with nearly everything in this game and hated it. However, I could see what Square-Enix was doing with this title. Despite this game being quite terrible the controls were very suited for a Playstation or Xbox and this game would probably have received an insanely high score if it was released for a console and not a computer. Computer games seemingly have a higher standard than console ones. I suspect much like FF11 this game will go to console and when it does, it'll do quite well.
Plays perfect on the PC with a controller, super comfy. PS3 release is also coming.
I scored a free copy of this game and played it with a friend. I was uncomfortable with nearly everything in this game and hated it. However, I could see what Square-Enix was doing with this title. Despite this game being quite terrible the controls were very suited for a Playstation or Xbox and this game would probably have received an insanely high score if it was released for a console and not a computer. Computer games seemingly have a higher standard than console ones. I suspect much like FF11 this game will go to console and when it does, it'll do quite well.
Plays perfect on the PC with a controller, super comfy. PS3 release is also coming.
I played XI for years with nothing but keyboard, and continue to play XIV with nothing but keyboard (usually no mouse either). Though I did convince one of my friends (EQ veteran) to play XI and XIV and he could never figure out the controls. Some people are too set in their ways, I don't see why people can't adapt to new controls...
However that being said they are still in progress of improving UI and controls for PC players, so maybe you will eventually get one you are happy with.
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Except that 1.18 is only the begninning of the revamp and will not be enough to illustrate where this game is going. I'd wait until next year. Or at least this winter. What I do know is that if everything goes the way it's planned out this time next year this will be a whole new game and unfortunally not many people will be aware. Or perhaps FFXIV fans should create their own buzz..
But seems this is your very least I don't expect a whole lot. Part of this problem isn't your site's fault but SE who should have known better to launch this when it did but it does make me sad this site only caters to some games. Also apparently your commenters aren't allowed to disagree with each other. Now I am reminded of the real reason why I left this place.
Goodbye again MMORPG.com
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It surprises me that the FFXIV-heads are getting their knickers in a twist over this review. It isn't like the game hasn't already been butt-reamed by just about every other gaming media outlet already. At least MMORPG.com gave the game a good 10 months for Square Enix to try and get their shit together. Everyone else torched the crap out of the game after 3-4 weeks at best.
MMORPG.com isn't at fault for their review of FFXIV. Square Enix is. They have noone else to blame but themselves for the state of the game (past and present) and the negative opinions that FFXIV has drawn from the MMO community. FFXIV is like the new Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.
Wow, this much drama over a game most would agree fell way short of expectations. And here I thought MO fans were the epitome of the "rabid-defenders-of-my-favorite-game" archtype of the MMO genre. I guess I stand corrected.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
Seems odd to wait this long to post a review right before the new development team makes changes.
All this could have been said opening week or opening month. Why play FFXIV for so long to get an in-depth review of the state of things, when you stop just short of when they actually make changes. lol
I'm waiting to see what the new development team does with FFXIV, so if you waited a week and said 1.18 did not make FFXIV un-shitty, your article would still be pertinent. Now, after the Friday patch, we don't really know if this review remains true. It loses significance.
Are we going to have to wait another year for an article of how FFXIV after they actually made changes? lol
Quit being a slacker.
So keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting? You got their answer. This review was scheduled long before it was actually written. The reviewer probably started writing when those "changes" were still rumours. I'm sorry to say, but nobody can ever tell if something is going to have a positive reception until it's been released. You should create lots of buzz. FFXIV is heading in the right direction and it has a big heart and only time can tell whether or not that is good enough.
Commenters are encouraged to share their opinion and disagree to the highest degree. What's not acceptable (and what MikeB has interated 3? times already in this thread, excluding damage control) is that baiting, trolling, harrassing, talking down, etc., is not acceptable. I don't know what the official forums for SE allow but it's a tad different here if those concepts are new to those who have jumped from there to here.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
This is the vicious cycle of delusion which many die-hard FF fans got themselves trapped in to since before the game came out, during testing. Many people could see that the game was not going to do well, but the die-hard fans would use the excuse, "But it's only in beta! It'll be better by launch!"
"The game launched but didn't do so well... Give it a few more months!"
...and so on.
The same thing is happening now and will most likely happen again after 1.18, 1.19 and 1.20. This is why they're now saying to not review the game after 1.18, because they want to keep this cycle going. The people who are caught up in this rift of delusions just cannot be reasoned with unfortunately.
I'm gonna agree with the guys here that say it seems REALLY odd timing to hold off a review all this time and then do one a few days before their big fixit patch (at least the first big one)... Would have been a more cedible piece if it had ackowledged the facts of the planned improvement.
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She calls auto attacks a rumor. How can she as someone who Bill Murphy (and I'm going to accuse him of lieing here, or at least of being misled by the author) said had been playing the spending "a long time in the game" not be aware that this is in a patch coming out the WEEK OF HER REVIEW. Even if she did not ever visit the lodestone, which as someone writing a paid (you do pay your contributors don't you?) article she should have done in her research; she still should have been aware of it from interacting with other players in game.
The review was poorly written because she gave no evidence of this "lenthy period" she supposedly spent playing the game. She refers to guildleves as quests, I can understand the argument that they are similar to "poor repeatable quests" in other MMO's however as someone playing and review this game, she should understand the difference between these and actual quests and have made that distinction in her review. Not only with guildleves but with all game systems she makes no attempt of putting them into context or going into detail, instead offering only her final opinion. Well as a freelance writer who spends most of her time writing about her love of Desperate Housewives and Grey's anatomy her opinion lacks the gravity to be taken without supporting arguments and context.
She goes on to accuse Square Enix of providing an uninteresting and disjointed storyline, which again she bases off her experiences of tutorial quests (2 minutes worth of playing) and guildleves which again are not main sources of lore. The actual story of FFXIV I find far from uninteresting or improperly woven together, the dynamic between the Garlean invaders and the free cities of Eorzea along with a possible tentative alliance with the beastman alliance and their primal gods (summons from Final Fantasy lore) is anything but uninteresting or uninspired. Yet even if she disagreed with that assessment she should have at least judged it its proper context by giving examples from the actual storyline and defending her opinion/score in this regard.
I take no issue with a poor review of the game in its current state, what I have a problem with is you posting a review like this which is so utterly lacking in unique analysis now. If you were going to make such a half hearted attempt at a review you could have at least done us all a favor and posted it closer to the release date, rather than shortly before the beginning of the long awaited revamps. Surely she did not almost a year to write such an article, I could have done it in ten minutes with the game. {mod edit}
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This is a horrid horrid game. There were actually people fired and things got reorganized because of this total fiasco but game will never recover. I expect FFXIV servers to eventually close...
I've lost my faith in Square Enix after they released this peace of garbage. I've played FFXIII and still loved the company but when I tried FFXIV, oh my gosh... I could have never imagined that they will DESTROY the game like this... I wouldn't even give this game 5. I'd give it a TWO. TWO out of TEN.
I cry a little inside when I think about FFXIV how grand was the rise of the MMO through the great marketing campaign with CGIs and website info and how AWFUL was the fall, what the game could have been and how these morons destroyed the game from the bottom up. In my opinion this is the biggest disaster in the history of MMO. And my favorite JRPG game developer did this...
+10
Furthermore they should focus letting this game as free to play mmo if they want ps3 users to buy it.
I doubt they would demean their flaghship series by making one of the #'d games a free to play mmo.
They seem pretty intent instead on working to fix what's wrong with it prior to the PS3 release and relaunching it with those fixes as well as new content (likely an expansion for existing PC players).
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The Score is fair.
Timing is horrible.
The manner the "Review" is written either shows it was written 7 months ago and published only now.
Or, MMORPG knows FFXIV doesn't get any foot traffic on this website (or the rest of the web for that matter) and they rubber stamped a "review" no reflecting the changes in the game.
MMORPG probably thought nobody would care or make a big deal about it, after all, no one really visits this website for FFXIV news.
However, as someone who frequents this site to get news on MMOS, i'm really disapointed at the lack of effort and diligence put into this review. It completely discredits your website as it relates to other reviews.
I woulnd't be surprised if the reviewer even new this game had an official website or that the producer writes monthly update letters. Poor effort.
Should have waited one week, included the 1.18 changes in the review and call it a day.
I think it was released 4 days before the big patch because the website and the reviewer are completely oblivious to the changes in FFXIV. Why should they be, this game doesn't register on their raider. But after this 38 page thread, maybe they'll take more pride and respect in their work product before releasing something.
My 2 cents.
You know how to fix a problem with timing, stop releasing poorly implemented games. Hell, this game should have been officially months ago, after a month of a release maybe. Gaming changing patches should not be common place in this industry. And if they decide to release one, this is a risk they take. It is not the job of reviewers to wait around until companies tell them its gtg to review their game.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
It is very tiring to have these reviews literally a week before a major game changing patch. First with STO now FF - not to mention the rating remains completely subjective, and a 5.1 in one review has no bearing on a 5.1 in another - because it only graded from the author's perspective.
Please tighten up this review process MMORPG.com
This same sort of thing did happen not so long ago as you mention...
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/319509
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Originally posted by MikeB
Also, let me add that the review was in progress long before Season 4 was set to hit live servers. We'll most certainly re-visit the game post-Season 4.
Seems to be a problem?
Ironically they are both games that are underperforming terribly and have both drove away potential customers in droves. Why does it seem to surprise so many that games standing on such shaky ground would rate bad reviews?
I'm fairly certain they both have recieved bad reviews from other sites as well. I think alot of people (especially those of us with post counts in the thousands spend atleast a little time on here almost every day so what's wrong with reviewing a game as it exists right now and revisiting when those changes actually take place?
You guys should be honest with yourselves and maybe ask yourself if you think a game you don't like deserves to have a review held until two or three patches are released or six to eight months after it releases?
I loved the FF series pre mmo's so I do wish them success but if they have a game out now that they are charging any money for I think sites like this should do there customers a service and review them when they begin charging money.
And to mmorpg I do hope that the next few games with horrible reputations are not allowed to exist and charge your customers good money for six months to a year especially when you are only going to get roasted and belittled by the few fans left of those games down the line.
i dont know where or why the comments are coming out that this game had never been reviewed before..
it had several times, even during closed beta there were reviews coming out.
i was a closed beta tester, had played FF11 from na release up until my invite to closed beta in 14.. now, well i play neither. 14 really soured me, tried to go back to 11 with all the abyssea stuff and just couldnt make myself enjoy it.
and i remember my email box popping up with reviews of 14 when beta was still going.. then when they released it, more bad press, more bad reviews, then they dropped the price, more bad press..
so how any of you all missed multiple reviews of 14 boggles my mind..
i do really appreciate the op posting this "newer" review showing and telling me that pretty much nothing has changed since beta and glad someone took the time because it saves me from getting bored one evening and trying it again..
hopefully in a week or two after this patch people are talking about gets implemented hopefully we will get another review or two on the changes..
as i always told people when i was beta testing the only real thing good i could say about it was "it looked pretty" but, has to be alot more to a game than "pretty" to keep me interested in it..
i tried being the good little beta tester, filled out my thoughts, sent in my bug and error reports i ran into.. and i can tell you from personal experience the complaints that have been in gaming forums since the game went live were the same complaints on the beta testing boards so yes it was all known over a year ago, well known..
i remember one post in particular from one of the designers saying "yes we know and are working on a better more user friendly interface" and it appears it never made it out.
never know maybe one of these days it will turn into a fun game to play.
hopefully.
Nobody is saying that the game wasn't reviewed - everyone's fully aware of the numerous reviews that ripped the game. However, there was never a MMORPG.com review until now, for some weird reason.
It's okay to criticize the review. It's constructive, provides feedback for them (and MMORPG.com) and you've had the freedom to express your opinion. However, when it comes to criticizing the reviewer, it's completely unnecassary and uncalled for.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Except they are not charging currently for FFXIV since the new development team took over.
Also you don't enjoy any honest opinion, you enjoy an honest opinion that validates your view. My honest opinion is different from the reviewer's but I doubt you would care enough to read it or the actual information on the game and upcoming patches I have posted in the FFXIV forums here which is backed up by facts not opinion and conjecture like the review/many comments here. Honest opinions are worth little in reality, that is why professional reviewers tend to back up their opinions with analysis and examples so that people can not only hear the reviewer's opinion but *gasp* form one of their own.
This review was poorly written, and the only reason anyone at all is defending it is because the game itself was poorly recieved on launch and so the review isn't out of place in that regard. If people would take the time to look for actual information on the game, even only so far as the stuff MMORPG has posted they would see how blatantly shallow and uninformed the review is, and hence why people are complaining.
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Or you could just tell us which parts of the review you found uninformed and shallow instead?
I haven't played the game in months, but I did have a several jobs at high level and I do follow the game (seeing as there is a chapter within the community I belong to). Nothing about the review screamed inaccurate to me.
I did that about a dozen times in this already as have others...
If you want to see if your complaints are going to be resolved you could read up on the information they regularly post on lodestone about the development their official forums or the FFXIV general forums here.
If your complaints included the copy+ paste world you can read about them revamping all the zones here, if your complaints included guildleves you can read about their announcement to do away with them as a central focus here, and some things they hope to repalce with soon here (soon as in next three patches, the first of which is this thursday), if your complaint was about the armory system the current classes (they are adding more defined job system mainly geared for specific roles in partying on top of it after 1.2) and combat you can read about some of those changes including auto attack and enmnity revisions. There is much more they are changing, and if you are more specific about your "unresolved complaints" maybe I can enlighten you about whether or not they plan to change it.
If you just want to be vague though... not much I can help with you. That is assuming you actually want information and aren't just trolling me.
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I scored a free copy of this game and played it with a friend. I was uncomfortable with nearly everything in this game and hated it. However, I could see what Square-Enix was doing with this title. Despite this game being quite terrible the controls were very suited for a Playstation or Xbox and this game would probably have received an insanely high score if it was released for a console and not a computer. Computer games seemingly have a higher standard than console ones. I suspect much like FF11 this game will go to console and when it does, it'll do quite well.
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Plays perfect on the PC with a controller, super comfy. PS3 release is also coming.
I played XI for years with nothing but keyboard, and continue to play XIV with nothing but keyboard (usually no mouse either). Though I did convince one of my friends (EQ veteran) to play XI and XIV and he could never figure out the controls. Some people are too set in their ways, I don't see why people can't adapt to new controls...
However that being said they are still in progress of improving UI and controls for PC players, so maybe you will eventually get one you are happy with.
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