I scored a free copy of this game and played it with a friend. I was uncomfortable with nearly everything in this game and hated it. However, I could see what Square-Enix was doing with this title. Despite this game being quite terrible the controls were very suited for a Playstation or Xbox and this game would probably have received an insanely high score if it was released for a console and not a computer. Computer games seemingly have a higher standard than console ones. I suspect much like FF11 this game will go to console and when it does, it'll do quite well.
Plays perfect on the PC with a controller, super comfy. PS3 release is also coming.
I played XI for years with nothing but keyboard, and continue to play XIV with nothing but keyboard (usually no mouse either). Though I did convince one of my friends (EQ veteran) to play XI and XIV and he could never figure out the controls. Some people are too set in their ways, I don't see why people can't adapt to new controls...
However that being said they are still in progress of improving UI and controls for PC players, so maybe you will eventually get one you are happy with.
I also played FFXI with the keyboard only, controlling the camera with the arrow keys. I might consider that again, when I can use the arrow keys in that way, until they... controller feels superior to me.
This review was poorly written, and the only reason anyone at all is defending it is because the game itself was poorly recieved on launch and so the review isn't out of place in that regard. If people would take the time to look for actual information on the game, even only so far as the stuff MMORPG has posted they would see how blatantly shallow and uninformed the review is, and hence why people are complaining.
Or you could just tell us which parts of the review you found uninformed and shallow instead?
I haven't played the game in months, but I did have a several jobs at high level and I do follow the game (seeing as there is a chapter within the community I belong to). Nothing about the review screamed inaccurate to me.
I did that about a dozen times in this already as have others...
If you want to see if your complaints are going to be resolved you could read up on the information they regularly post on lodestone about the development their official forums or the FFXIV general forums here.
If your complaints included the copy+ paste world you can read about them revamping all the zones here, if your complaints included guildleves you can read about their announcement to do away with them as a central focus here, and some things they hope to repalce with soon here (soon as in next three patches, the first of which is this thursday), if your complaint was about the armory system the current classes (they are adding more defined job system mainly geared for specific roles in partying on top of it after 1.2) and combat you can read about some of those changes including auto attack and enmnity revisions. There is much more they are changing, and if you are more specific about your "unresolved complaints" maybe I can enlighten you about whether or not they plan to change it.
If you just want to be vague though... not much I can help with you. That is assuming you actually want information and aren't just trolling me.
Huh? I didn't once state any of my complaints about the game (which have not been resolved or are not being resolved), but this isn't about me. I just asked you to point out which parts of the article you found shallow or uninformed.
If you just want to be vague though... not much I can help with you. That is assuming you actually want information and aren't just trolling me.
Plans to do things in an MMO are a dime a dozen. Until it's in the official release of the game, I see very little that was inaccurate in the review.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
Huh? I didn't once state any of my complaints about the game (which have not been resolved or are not being resolved), but this isn't about me. I just asked you to point out which parts of the article you found shallow or uninformed.
You can look through the thread to find my posts, I outlined them in detail with links to back them up.
Also to the person saying they hoodwinked you into buying the game for $30 you don't have to buy it from the Square Enix store. If you can't figure out how to buy things on the internet I don't think you should be giving your credit card information to anyone. Also there is plenty of information on the game. They regularly update information on the lodestone with their development plans and changes.
Huh? I didn't once state any of my complaints about the game (which have not been resolved or are not being resolved), but this isn't about me. I just asked you to point out which parts of the article you found shallow or uninformed.
You can look through the thread to find my posts, I outlined them in detail with links to back them up.
Also to the person saying they hoodwinked you into buying the game for $30 you don't have to buy it from the Square Enix store. If you can't figure out how to buy things on the internet I don't think you should be giving your credit card information to anyone. Also there is plenty of information on the game. They regularly update information on the lodestone with their development plans and changes.
None of those links explained anything about why you didn't like the review. None of the information in your posts backed up anything. The reviewer did not once complain about copy pasted worlds, just that there are a lot of reused monster models outside of the world. I know for a fact this was in fact addressed in a few patches, the big one with the NM update that added a bunch more monster models like goblins and such, but it still holds true for the game in it's current state (the variety of monsters is much smaller here than most MMOs, and there is less diversity due to them keeping the ecology to certain regions).
Guildleves getting changed from the centre focus is fine and all, but again it had nothing to do with what the reviewer said. Even if guildleves were removed from the central focus of the game then the game will still basically be devoid of a lot of "content". The problem wasn't that guildleves were boring in and of themselves it's that there isn't much to do outside of these leves, and changing the focus isn't going to remove that fact.
Enmity changes and the addition of autoattack likely won't fix the underlying problems the reviewer had with the combat system in the game either.
I have to ask, and I'm not trolling here, did you even read the article or just look at the score and assume the reviewer went out of their way to bash the game?
Also when is it okay to review a game? Could you review Rift right now because they have a patch coming soon? Also they announced alternate advancement points, which won't be coming next patch, but sometime in the future. I guess it's not fair to review the game till you wait for that. Then, when they announce something before that that is coming out after it, then you have to wait for THAT too. The end result is the game never gets reviewed. So when is it acceptable to review a game? Really, this game should have been reviewed the month it was released. The fact the reviewer waited this long to even review it should be applauded by fans, not vilified.
None of those links explained anything about why you didn't like the review. None of the information in your posts backed up anything. The reviewer did not once complain about copy pasted worlds, just that there are a lot of reused monster models outside of the world. I know for a fact this was in fact addressed in a few patches, the big one with the NM update that added a bunch more monster models like goblins and such, but it still holds true for the game in it's current state (the variety of monsters is much smaller here than most MMOs, and there is less diversity due to them keeping the ecology to certain regions).
Guildleves getting changed from the centre focus is fine and all, but again it had nothing to do with what the reviewer said. Even if guildleves were removed from the central focus of the game then the game will still basically be devoid of a lot of "content". The problem wasn't that guildleves were boring in and of themselves it's that there isn't much to do outside of these leves, and changing the focus isn't going to remove that fact.
Enmity changes and the addition of autoattack likely won't fix the underlying problems the reviewer had with the combat system in the game either.
I have to ask, and I'm not trolling here, did you even read the article or just look at the score and assume the reviewer went out of their way to bash the game?
Also when is it okay to review a game? Could you review Rift right now because they have a patch coming soon? Also they announced alternate advancement points, which won't be coming next patch, but sometime in the future. I guess it's not fair to review the game till you wait for that. Then, when they announce something before that that is coming out after it, then you have to wait for THAT too. The end result is the game never gets reviewed. So when is it acceptable to review a game? Really, this game should have been reviewed the month it was released. The fact the reviewer waited this long to even review it should be applauded by fans, not vilified.
First of all my response to you and the links I provided were under the impression that you were looking for whether your complaints had been answered. I misquoted and maybe I was responding to that part of someone's else post that was posted nearer to yours, if I remember it said exactly "I have a job and can't look for information all day, can you list what changes are coming I can't spend all day browsing forums".
Second of all I read the review, and I have responded to the review with what I thought I was wrong with once in a response to the moderator's defense, and once earlier both times I provided links as to why the review was innacurate, specifically her comments about guildleves being storyline/lore conduits and auto attack being a "rumor". My problem with the review was certainly not the score. Though I would personally have given it a 6.5 (not that anyone cares) in its current state, my problem was the lack of actual analysis or examples from the game.
Her entire review could have been written off of reading one troll post or 10 minutes in the game, but a good review should provide supporting examples from the game (substantial examples not the shallow ones she offered), and useful analysis so that people can form their own opinions. She wrote a bad review.
I would have prefered if this review was posted 6 months ago, or a year ago at release. She did not mention ONE SINGLE THING which has been changed since then so what's the point of waiting? {mod edit}
First of all my response to you and the links I provided were under the impression that you were looking for whether your complaints had been answered. I misquoted and maybe I was responding to that part of someone's else post that was posted nearer to yours, if I remember it said exactly "I have a job and can't look for information all day, can you list what changes are coming I can't spend all day browsing forums".
Second of all I read the review, and I have responded to the review with what I thought I was wrong with once in a response to the moderator's defense, and once earlier both times I provided links as to why the review was innacurate, specifically her comments about guildleves being storyline/lore conduits and auto attack being a "rumor". My problem with the review was certainly not the score. Though I would personally have given it a 6.5 (not that anyone cares) in its current state, my problem was the lack of actual analysis or examples from the game.
Her entire review could have been written off of reading one troll post or 10 minutes in the game, but a good review should provide supporting examples from the game (substantial examples not the shallow ones she offered), and useful analysis so that people can form their own opinions. She wrote a bad review.
I would have prefered if this review was posted 6 months ago, or a year ago at release. She did not mention ONE SINGLE THING which has been changed since then so what's the point of waiting? {mod edit}
Yeah, whoever you quoted above wasn't me. I just asked the question of what you didn't like about the review is all. That's fine and you answered it in this post. Personally I think the review is fair, but I respect your opinion. I can see how you didn't like the review, but personally I felt she gave plenty of concrete examples about things she didn't like and explained why she didn't like them. To each their own I guess.
The game has great potential but it feels unfinished.
I actually enjoyed the combat system and didn't mind the interface at all as well.
Crafting is awesome not just the mindless click 1 button and done sort of crafting.
Content is what is missing in the game u just dont have enough to do.
That is of course only my opinion.
ps.I cant take the review serious a game reviewer who says "Rumor has it that auto attack, and a serious overhaul of the combat system, is coming in the upcoming patch" just seems like a person not fit for the job SE already announced the changes and also showed the new combat system in Videos therefore its not understandable for me how it could be a rumor.
pps. I actually hate the implementation of Autoattack
this review is unjust on the game, I agree with the review but this is a review for a game that square knew was bad, and are currently working with a brand new team to bring the game up to par. So as of now you are reviewing a game that isnt finished and it takes a hit for that. So I cant see were this review is needed or acurate at all because the game is still what i say....In Alpha.
Hmm, I've seen people complain that MMORPG has waited too long to review this game, now you say they are reviewing it too early. Although they don't charge a sub fee, do they still charge people to buy the game? If so, it's released and you can't call it an alpha.
Should they have waited a few weeks for the next "miracle" patch? Maybe, but go ask the STO people how well that is working out for them when they complained about their recent re-review before a new patch that in the end didn't live up to most people's expectations.
Likely the same will prove true in this case as well. Sure, the game will get some degree better, but the site can't wait forever to review a released game.
this review is unjust on the game, I agree with the review but this is a review for a game that square knew was bad, and are currently working with a brand new team to bring the game up to par. So as of now you are reviewing a game that isnt finished and it takes a hit for that. So I cant see were this review is needed or acurate at all because the game is still what i say....In Alpha.
Hmm, I've seen people complain that MMORPG has waited too long to review this game, now you say they are reviewing it too early. Although they don't charge a sub fee, do they still charge people to buy the game? If so, it's released and you can't call it an alpha.
Should they have waited a few weeks for the next "miracle" patch? Maybe, but go ask the STO people how well that is working out for them when they complained about their recent re-review before a new patch that in the end didn't live up to most people's expectations.
Likely the same will prove true in this case as well. Sure, the game will get some degree better, but the site can't wait forever to review a released game.
Actually I didnt buy they game as i played in their "Alpha" and "Beta" and found them to be so incomplete that i choose to wait and see the game when they went back and re did it. And as for complaining that mmorpg hasnt reviewed it, i never once did I was happy they hadnt as that ment they could be waiting to get it more. As for that they dont even have to review it ign did right at the beginning and gave it a bad rateing but that was at the beginning so to me review it when it comes out or not at all honostly.
Huh? I didn't once state any of my complaints about the game (which have not been resolved or are not being resolved), but this isn't about me. I just asked you to point out which parts of the article you found shallow or uninformed.
You can look through the thread to find my posts, I outlined them in detail with links to back them up.
Also to the person saying they hoodwinked you into buying the game for $30 you don't have to buy it from the Square Enix store. If you can't figure out how to buy things on the internet I don't think you should be giving your credit card information to anyone. Also there is plenty of information on the game. They regularly update information on the lodestone with their development plans and changes.
I didn't say they hoodwinked me into buying the game for $30. They claimed SE didn't charge to play the game when they obviously do. If I have to buy it at all then SE *IS* charging for the game. So my point above that a company that takes in money for their games should be fair game for a review as well.
I did do a little bit of research. The best price, from a reputable vendor, was GameStop at $15, the next was Amazon at $27 and the rest were all $30. GameStop didn't actually have it avaialbe when I visited the site.
Anyway the point still stands. SE charges for the game and consumers have a right to know if it's not worth the money. That is why I appreciate the review, so I don't waste my money.
Spare me your indignation, no one contested your right to read a review of a game before you bought just that this particular review was a poor attempt. There were many better reviews (also negative) posted closer to launch), but hey if you want to be half informed be my guest.
I could care less the game is undergoing a complete revamp, once this is over (most of the core changes which will occur in the next 3 patches, likely the next 2 months) I'm sure there will be better reviews available to reflect the actual game before they start Charging.
If you'd like me to address your feedback, cut it with the non-constructive comments (e.g. insinuating the review is a "troll attempt" by the author).
Again, we appreciate your frustration, but we'll most certainly be looking at the game again at some point this year. At the very least, we'll be taking a look at how 1.18 has affected the game.
Except that 1.18 is only the begninning of the revamp and will not be enough to illustrate where this game is
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So keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting? You got their answer. This review was scheduled long before it was actually written. The reviewer probably started writing when those "changes" were still rumours. I'm sorry to say, but nobody can ever tell if something is going to have a positive reception until it's been released. You should create lots of buzz. FFXIV is heading in the right direction and it has a big heart and only time can tell whether or not that is good enough.
Commenters are encouraged to share their opinion and disagree to the highest degree. What's not acceptable (and what MikeB has interated 3? times already in this thread, excluding damage control) is that baiting, trolling, harrassing, talking down, etc., is not acceptable. I don't know what the official forums for SE allow but it's a tad different here if those concepts are new to those who have jumped from there to here.
I didn't start really freaking out until someone posted a quote from the admin saying that they would WAIT to review the game until changes to the game were made, I gathered he took the new dev team leadership into consideration when deciding this. But THEN he allows a review to be published JUST before the START of those changes are made??? My initial reaction was disappointment, then I wanted to add a few things that were not in the article and then I was just confused.
This is my problem. I hope I made it clearer.
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EDIT: For those saying that the site should not WAIT to do a review, let's be clear we all AGREE on this. They should have done a review RIGHT AWAY. But they chose not to, this is what is suspect or odd to many.
I've created my SE account and when I try to add a FFXIV account it asks for a registration code which I can only find in their store for $30. How is that not charging for the game? I went through all the trouble of creating an account because I believed you when you said they aren't charging for the game only to find out I have to shell out $30. That brings me back to point 2 where I state they are charging to play their game, that makes it more than fair game for a review. I read reviews on any product I purchase, games are no different.
Don't put words in my mouth just because it ruffles you that I appreciate the review. I do enjoy an honest opinion. I also question the opinions I read to see if they are the odd one out or if others share that opinion and for what reasons. I also see that others do share the opinion of the reviewer and for similar reasons. After going through the horrendous account creation process and trying to navigate their convoluted website I now share the opinion of others that the account/web interface is an unpleasant experience.
I understand that you don't like the review because it criticises something you value. The game was poorly received at launch and later because it has some deep flaws and people, outside of some diehard fans, aren't finding it fun. If SE doesn't make it easy to find that information and fun in the game, then people aren't going to give it a chance. That's how it works. No one owes SE the effort to figure out their game or having to spend money on it. SE needs to court gamers a little harder or their game will fail.
They're not charging a Sub rate/cost for playing the game, you still have to purchase the game. Please do some research before blindly hating somthing. SE having admitted fault said they would not charge a subscription cost until they deem the game fit for it, thats why people are saying wait until they start charging for it.
How about you dont buy this game or play it for a simple fact of the GM's do whatever they want and SE customer support doesnt deal with the GM's directly but you have to call them. So for example i tried to login after work and the launcher said my account was locked. So i tried again samething my account was locked. I check my email nothing in my email about anything. I call SE on monday because this happend on a friday night. They said that only GM's know why i was locked out of my account to wait a few days till its brought back up and open an ingame partition. So i waited till tuesday and nothing so i called them back they said i should of recieved a email about Gil Spamming and my account had been banned for 3 days for it. I said how come you couldnt tell me this on monday when i called they said they had just recieved the update as i called them. So i said whatever just let me play the game i paid 80$ for and btw i dont even know what Gil spamming is he said you were trying to sell gil for real money. Im level 7 i dont know how much gil i would need for real money but whatever. Anyways they said my account is backonline to go login and ask a GM and file a complaint. So i get off the phone try to login and what do you know account locked i went into my email i had 4 emails of 1 min seperation that said your account was banned due to gil spamming and then 1 min later a email for reactivation and then another banning my account for breaking user agreement and one for reactivation but still cant get online so i called them again and he said my account was permanetly banned if i would like to file a customer complaint so i did when was this game released november? yea still no contact. So dont buy this game their support sucks and i will never pay SE's online division anymore of my money i think 80$ for a paper weight is enough for those you know whats.
I haven't been playing since release... I am a new player over the past month. Is it the best MMORPG I have ever played in my life? no. But it is good. I like the game now, for what it is. At release, it played like a different game all together and I couldn't stand it. This review does nothing to get across that point, nothing at all. Maybe this reviewer doesn't like the game, and thats fine too. However the fact that the game is so radically different than it was upon release isn't even touched on in the review. It was a chore playing the game at release, fighting the menus and camera system. All of that has changed. I feel like it should have been mentioned, and the game is definatly worth a look by anyone who was interested in it, or FFXI before it.
I don't think the contents of the review are in question.
The timing is just silly. Even if you don't expect things to change much with the new development team, if this review had come out next week after a small, but significant gameplay change, people would take the review as a relevant summary as to the state of FFXIV.
As it stands, the review now just tells everyone what they already knew, hearing from others, or figured out for themselves. For someone who has been reviewing FFXIV for almost a year, waiting for the first round of the new development team's changes would be insignificant in comparison.
I just don't understand what the fuss is about. The game is a mess right now. One patch will not change that. Maybe by the end of the year it might be better. Not as if this is the first major patch, there have been several of them, all which have failed to make much headway.
Getting upset over the timing of a review in this situation is ridiculous, especially when past patches have had questionable success.
Personally, I think anyone currently playing the game is sending the wrong message to the industry that releasing a partially finished product is ok, whether it is subscription free or not. This patch will not change that either, it might get the game to what most of us call early beta status.
Agreed, it'll take more than one patch, but the other patches have more or less tweaked things. This patch, while a small change, is changing gameplay significantly.
It's not going to get better overnight, and it might not even get better. But... if this review came out next week with the small, but significant change taken into account, I would consider it a solid review.
So while a lot of people may agree with what the review is saying, they still have to go and see what the auto-attack change does to the gameplay. This article could have saved them the trouble, but it didn't.
I just don't understand what the fuss is about. The game is a mess right now. One patch will not change that. Maybe by the end of the year it might be better. Not as if this is the first major patch, there have been several of them, all which have failed to make much headway.
Getting upset over the timing of a review in this situation is ridiculous, especially when past patches have had questionable success.
Personally, I think anyone currently playing the game is sending the wrong message to the industry that releasing a partially finished product is ok, whether it is subscription free or not. This patch will not change that either, it might get the game to what most of us call early beta status.
Let's say that these same people you see in here bashing the reviewer are the very same people that are on the forums causing drama. Anytime anyone beings up a valid complaint in the forums this same group of people bash them as well. The bad part is the forums allows them to cuss the poeple with a complaint, which is a direct tos violation, and nothing gets done to them even after repeatedly doing this. The problem comes when someone responds to them and tells them to back off. they get the tos violation warning email sent to the account.
Statements like this can be a tos violation in response to another telling someone to go shoot themselves, but the actual shoot themselves statement was not:
"was this even necessary? a guy asked an innocent question and you have to be a jerk."
This is why the game cannot move forward. One group can tell someone to shoot themself with no actions, but another can say to stop being a jerk and get a tos violation.
I have been in game since day 1 and do continue to do so, but that being said the review is quite accurate. If anything in the opinion of alot of people that actually play the game it is moving backwards not forwards. If the game now is considered a 5.1 i would give the original release on it a 5.5 and after the 1.18 patch a 4.8. The majority of people taking up for se are fanbois that actually state they do not play the game, but instead want to argue anything that someone that is playing the game suggests. They have complete faith in yoshi and his changes because it is continually making the game to cater to the lowest common denominator. There is nothing that is remotely difficult in game now and the only things that were anything close to difficult in game(the nm's tanaka put in place) has been promptly turned ito childs play under yoshi's watch.
Stay tuned and see if this game can turn around, but the direction it has been headed in since the change leaves much to be desired. I would not advise anyone to either buy the game at this point, much less, tell anyone that has quit to come back. After 1.18 a few things will change, but these will no way be finished items and they will not drastically change the game to more enjoyable.
I just don't understand what the fuss is about. The game is a mess right now. One patch will not change that. Maybe by the end of the year it might be better. Not as if this is the first major patch, there have been several of them, all which have failed to make much headway.
Getting upset over the timing of a review in this situation is ridiculous, especially when past patches have had questionable success.
Personally, I think anyone currently playing the game is sending the wrong message to the industry that releasing a partially finished product is ok, whether it is subscription free or not. This patch will not change that either, it might get the game to what most of us call early beta status.
I wholey agree with this.
The company most done a disservice is likely Square Enix. I'm sure they would like to take their development team from this irredeemable uninspired clunker and move on to making more DS and cellphone games. Unfortuantly, however, the fantatic loyalty of Square's fans prevents them from letting this game die the quick ignoble end it so deserves. Which is ironic, because the people playing it now, presumeably because of the two words on the game box that come before the roman numerals, would probably be better served by a new product.
Everyone that plays the game doesn't like where this game is going? Really? No, to be more accurate there's a portion of players who were Tanaka supporters who loathe what is being done to the game, a portion who wanted to see changes since launch loving what Yoshi is doing, and a portion in the middle who like some things from Tanaka's time and some things coming or done by Yoshi.
Everyone that plays the game doesn't like where this game is going? Really? No, to be more accurate there's a portion of players who were Tanaka supporters who loathe what is being done to the game, a portion who wanted to see changes since launch loving what Yoshi is doing, and a portion in the middle who like some things from Tanaka's time and some things coming or done by Yoshi.
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"If anything in the opinion of alot of people that actually play the game it is moving backwards not forwards"
The Tanaka supporters feel he was more qualified than someone that has never been in charge of a game before. The Yoshi lovers believe that just because he has played games he is ready for a leadership position. If that's the case everyone on this site is just as qualified as he is for that job. Sorry when a game is in bad shape and struggling to tread water the experience should be the desired route everytime. Yes, the majority did vote for changes, myself included, but that does not mean the changes being put in place are the changes the people wanted.
Everyone needs to check this fact. If a game is released in half finished state and there is no content with very few people playing a game how would you answer a question asking "Do you want drastic changes alrering the game"?
If the game is in bad shape, yes, you want changes. To one person changes towards auto-attack is what they wanted, but alot stated that content is what was needed. In fact, the overall majority asked for content in the players poll.
Dude... 1 week and the game changes, completely. Did you even do research for a decent timeframe releasing this, or are you specifically trying to bring bad light to the game in the ONE time it could possibly make a 180.
This is pretty low, either way. Thanks for not letting people know of the upcoming additions to the game with 1.18 and beyond.
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I also played FFXI with the keyboard only, controlling the camera with the arrow keys. I might consider that again, when I can use the arrow keys in that way, until they... controller feels superior to me.
Huh? I didn't once state any of my complaints about the game (which have not been resolved or are not being resolved), but this isn't about me. I just asked you to point out which parts of the article you found shallow or uninformed.
Plans to do things in an MMO are a dime a dozen. Until it's in the official release of the game, I see very little that was inaccurate in the review.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
You can look through the thread to find my posts, I outlined them in detail with links to back them up.
Also to the person saying they hoodwinked you into buying the game for $30 you don't have to buy it from the Square Enix store. If you can't figure out how to buy things on the internet I don't think you should be giving your credit card information to anyone. Also there is plenty of information on the game. They regularly update information on the lodestone with their development plans and changes.
http://xivpads.com/?1595680
http://guildwork.com/users/murugan
None of those links explained anything about why you didn't like the review. None of the information in your posts backed up anything. The reviewer did not once complain about copy pasted worlds, just that there are a lot of reused monster models outside of the world. I know for a fact this was in fact addressed in a few patches, the big one with the NM update that added a bunch more monster models like goblins and such, but it still holds true for the game in it's current state (the variety of monsters is much smaller here than most MMOs, and there is less diversity due to them keeping the ecology to certain regions).
Guildleves getting changed from the centre focus is fine and all, but again it had nothing to do with what the reviewer said. Even if guildleves were removed from the central focus of the game then the game will still basically be devoid of a lot of "content". The problem wasn't that guildleves were boring in and of themselves it's that there isn't much to do outside of these leves, and changing the focus isn't going to remove that fact.
Enmity changes and the addition of autoattack likely won't fix the underlying problems the reviewer had with the combat system in the game either.
I have to ask, and I'm not trolling here, did you even read the article or just look at the score and assume the reviewer went out of their way to bash the game?
Also when is it okay to review a game? Could you review Rift right now because they have a patch coming soon? Also they announced alternate advancement points, which won't be coming next patch, but sometime in the future. I guess it's not fair to review the game till you wait for that. Then, when they announce something before that that is coming out after it, then you have to wait for THAT too. The end result is the game never gets reviewed. So when is it acceptable to review a game? Really, this game should have been reviewed the month it was released. The fact the reviewer waited this long to even review it should be applauded by fans, not vilified.
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First of all my response to you and the links I provided were under the impression that you were looking for whether your complaints had been answered. I misquoted and maybe I was responding to that part of someone's else post that was posted nearer to yours, if I remember it said exactly "I have a job and can't look for information all day, can you list what changes are coming I can't spend all day browsing forums".
Second of all I read the review, and I have responded to the review with what I thought I was wrong with once in a response to the moderator's defense, and once earlier both times I provided links as to why the review was innacurate, specifically her comments about guildleves being storyline/lore conduits and auto attack being a "rumor". My problem with the review was certainly not the score. Though I would personally have given it a 6.5 (not that anyone cares) in its current state, my problem was the lack of actual analysis or examples from the game.
Her entire review could have been written off of reading one troll post or 10 minutes in the game, but a good review should provide supporting examples from the game (substantial examples not the shallow ones she offered), and useful analysis so that people can form their own opinions. She wrote a bad review.
I would have prefered if this review was posted 6 months ago, or a year ago at release. She did not mention ONE SINGLE THING which has been changed since then so what's the point of waiting? {mod edit}
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Yeah, whoever you quoted above wasn't me. I just asked the question of what you didn't like about the review is all. That's fine and you answered it in this post. Personally I think the review is fair, but I respect your opinion. I can see how you didn't like the review, but personally I felt she gave plenty of concrete examples about things she didn't like and explained why she didn't like them. To each their own I guess.
The game has great potential but it feels unfinished.
I actually enjoyed the combat system and didn't mind the interface at all as well.
Crafting is awesome not just the mindless click 1 button and done sort of crafting.
Content is what is missing in the game u just dont have enough to do.
That is of course only my opinion.
ps.I cant take the review serious a game reviewer who says "Rumor has it that auto attack, and a serious overhaul of the combat system, is coming in the upcoming patch" just seems like a person not fit for the job SE already announced the changes and also showed the new combat system in Videos therefore its not understandable for me how it could be a rumor.
pps. I actually hate the implementation of Autoattack
Actually I didnt buy they game as i played in their "Alpha" and "Beta" and found them to be so incomplete that i choose to wait and see the game when they went back and re did it. And as for complaining that mmorpg hasnt reviewed it, i never once did I was happy they hadnt as that ment they could be waiting to get it more. As for that they dont even have to review it ign did right at the beginning and gave it a bad rateing but that was at the beginning so to me review it when it comes out or not at all honostly.
Spare me your indignation, no one contested your right to read a review of a game before you bought just that this particular review was a poor attempt. There were many better reviews (also negative) posted closer to launch), but hey if you want to be half informed be my guest.
I could care less the game is undergoing a complete revamp, once this is over (most of the core changes which will occur in the next 3 patches, likely the next 2 months) I'm sure there will be better reviews available to reflect the actual game before they start Charging.
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I didn't start really freaking out until someone posted a quote from the admin saying that they would WAIT to review the game until changes to the game were made, I gathered he took the new dev team leadership into consideration when deciding this. But THEN he allows a review to be published JUST before the START of those changes are made??? My initial reaction was disappointment, then I wanted to add a few things that were not in the article and then I was just confused.
This is my problem. I hope I made it clearer.
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EDIT: For those saying that the site should not WAIT to do a review, let's be clear we all AGREE on this. They should have done a review RIGHT AWAY. But they chose not to, this is what is suspect or odd to many.
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They're not charging a Sub rate/cost for playing the game, you still have to purchase the game. Please do some research before blindly hating somthing. SE having admitted fault said they would not charge a subscription cost until they deem the game fit for it, thats why people are saying wait until they start charging for it.
How about you dont buy this game or play it for a simple fact of the GM's do whatever they want and SE customer support doesnt deal with the GM's directly but you have to call them. So for example i tried to login after work and the launcher said my account was locked. So i tried again samething my account was locked. I check my email nothing in my email about anything. I call SE on monday because this happend on a friday night. They said that only GM's know why i was locked out of my account to wait a few days till its brought back up and open an ingame partition. So i waited till tuesday and nothing so i called them back they said i should of recieved a email about Gil Spamming and my account had been banned for 3 days for it. I said how come you couldnt tell me this on monday when i called they said they had just recieved the update as i called them. So i said whatever just let me play the game i paid 80$ for and btw i dont even know what Gil spamming is he said you were trying to sell gil for real money. Im level 7 i dont know how much gil i would need for real money but whatever. Anyways they said my account is backonline to go login and ask a GM and file a complaint. So i get off the phone try to login and what do you know account locked i went into my email i had 4 emails of 1 min seperation that said your account was banned due to gil spamming and then 1 min later a email for reactivation and then another banning my account for breaking user agreement and one for reactivation but still cant get online so i called them again and he said my account was permanetly banned if i would like to file a customer complaint so i did when was this game released november? yea still no contact. So dont buy this game their support sucks and i will never pay SE's online division anymore of my money i think 80$ for a paper weight is enough for those you know whats.
I haven't been playing since release... I am a new player over the past month. Is it the best MMORPG I have ever played in my life? no. But it is good. I like the game now, for what it is. At release, it played like a different game all together and I couldn't stand it. This review does nothing to get across that point, nothing at all. Maybe this reviewer doesn't like the game, and thats fine too. However the fact that the game is so radically different than it was upon release isn't even touched on in the review. It was a chore playing the game at release, fighting the menus and camera system. All of that has changed. I feel like it should have been mentioned, and the game is definatly worth a look by anyone who was interested in it, or FFXI before it.
I don't think the contents of the review are in question.
The timing is just silly. Even if you don't expect things to change much with the new development team, if this review had come out next week after a small, but significant gameplay change, people would take the review as a relevant summary as to the state of FFXIV.
As it stands, the review now just tells everyone what they already knew, hearing from others, or figured out for themselves. For someone who has been reviewing FFXIV for almost a year, waiting for the first round of the new development team's changes would be insignificant in comparison.
I just don't understand what the fuss is about. The game is a mess right now. One patch will not change that. Maybe by the end of the year it might be better. Not as if this is the first major patch, there have been several of them, all which have failed to make much headway.
Getting upset over the timing of a review in this situation is ridiculous, especially when past patches have had questionable success.
Personally, I think anyone currently playing the game is sending the wrong message to the industry that releasing a partially finished product is ok, whether it is subscription free or not. This patch will not change that either, it might get the game to what most of us call early beta status.
Agreed, it'll take more than one patch, but the other patches have more or less tweaked things. This patch, while a small change, is changing gameplay significantly.
It's not going to get better overnight, and it might not even get better. But... if this review came out next week with the small, but significant change taken into account, I would consider it a solid review.
So while a lot of people may agree with what the review is saying, they still have to go and see what the auto-attack change does to the gameplay. This article could have saved them the trouble, but it didn't.
It's a bit wasteful.
Good post kinda mirrors my thoughts.
Let's say that these same people you see in here bashing the reviewer are the very same people that are on the forums causing drama. Anytime anyone beings up a valid complaint in the forums this same group of people bash them as well. The bad part is the forums allows them to cuss the poeple with a complaint, which is a direct tos violation, and nothing gets done to them even after repeatedly doing this. The problem comes when someone responds to them and tells them to back off. they get the tos violation warning email sent to the account.
Statements like this can be a tos violation in response to another telling someone to go shoot themselves, but the actual shoot themselves statement was not:
"was this even necessary? a guy asked an innocent question and you have to be a jerk."
This is why the game cannot move forward. One group can tell someone to shoot themself with no actions, but another can say to stop being a jerk and get a tos violation.
I have been in game since day 1 and do continue to do so, but that being said the review is quite accurate. If anything in the opinion of alot of people that actually play the game it is moving backwards not forwards. If the game now is considered a 5.1 i would give the original release on it a 5.5 and after the 1.18 patch a 4.8. The majority of people taking up for se are fanbois that actually state they do not play the game, but instead want to argue anything that someone that is playing the game suggests. They have complete faith in yoshi and his changes because it is continually making the game to cater to the lowest common denominator. There is nothing that is remotely difficult in game now and the only things that were anything close to difficult in game(the nm's tanaka put in place) has been promptly turned ito childs play under yoshi's watch.
Stay tuned and see if this game can turn around, but the direction it has been headed in since the change leaves much to be desired. I would not advise anyone to either buy the game at this point, much less, tell anyone that has quit to come back. After 1.18 a few things will change, but these will no way be finished items and they will not drastically change the game to more enjoyable.
I wholey agree with this.
The company most done a disservice is likely Square Enix. I'm sure they would like to take their development team from this irredeemable uninspired clunker and move on to making more DS and cellphone games. Unfortuantly, however, the fantatic loyalty of Square's fans prevents them from letting this game die the quick ignoble end it so deserves. Which is ironic, because the people playing it now, presumeably because of the two words on the game box that come before the roman numerals, would probably be better served by a new product.
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Everyone that plays the game doesn't like where this game is going? Really? No, to be more accurate there's a portion of players who were Tanaka supporters who loathe what is being done to the game, a portion who wanted to see changes since launch loving what Yoshi is doing, and a portion in the middle who like some things from Tanaka's time and some things coming or done by Yoshi.
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"If anything in the opinion of alot of people that actually play the game it is moving backwards not forwards"
The Tanaka supporters feel he was more qualified than someone that has never been in charge of a game before. The Yoshi lovers believe that just because he has played games he is ready for a leadership position. If that's the case everyone on this site is just as qualified as he is for that job. Sorry when a game is in bad shape and struggling to tread water the experience should be the desired route everytime. Yes, the majority did vote for changes, myself included, but that does not mean the changes being put in place are the changes the people wanted.
Everyone needs to check this fact. If a game is released in half finished state and there is no content with very few people playing a game how would you answer a question asking "Do you want drastic changes alrering the game"?
If the game is in bad shape, yes, you want changes. To one person changes towards auto-attack is what they wanted, but alot stated that content is what was needed. In fact, the overall majority asked for content in the players poll.
Dude... 1 week and the game changes, completely. Did you even do research for a decent timeframe releasing this, or are you specifically trying to bring bad light to the game in the ONE time it could possibly make a 180.
This is pretty low, either way. Thanks for not letting people know of the upcoming additions to the game with 1.18 and beyond.