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Why is it so many players are unable to grasp instanced pvp (ie Battlegrounds) ?
OkhamsRazor
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I've been playing mmos for several years now but one thing that always suprises me is the inability to grasp what in my opinion is very simple tactics when it comes to battlegrounds, scenarios or warfronts . After playing any of these instanced pvp battleground several time it seams to me most people should be able to learn what to do but unfortunatly there seams to be vast numbers of players that don't . Could it be that these mmo players are very young children now that have yet to develop in a way that allows them to understand what to do .Perhaps older children and teenagers whose inability to learn its indicative of a modern system of schooling where no one is allowed to fail giving rise to a whole generation of people that have no compedative nature . Maybe there are many adults that play mmos that either have very little common sence ,maturity or a low IQ .Then again it may just be people are new to these instanced battlegrounds and don't know what to do in some cases which is perfectly understandable . What do you think ?
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I think it's because they don't give a crap about you or your expectations of them and just go in to them to run around and have their own fun.
Maybe some people just want to have fun and don't really care what the "correct" strategy is. I also find it hard to believe that people don't know how to win, I just think sometimes its not as much fun to take it so serious. If you want serious BGs get into a pvp guild premade BGs. If you want people just running around having fun stick with the solo-queues.
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I think it is similar to the Bystander Effect
By being in a battle with a lot of people, there is the notion that if something needs to be done then someone else will do it. Players defer responsibility onto others because there are 40 other people on your team.
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I agree with you, usually my rule of thumb is to assume anyone I play with in public matches is borderline retard and I just deal with what cards I've been dealt. What major AAA theme-park MMOs are missing is competitive battlegrounds... by that I mean guild versus guild.
The most recent theme-park I've played is RIFT... and don't get me wrong for what it is it's fun, yet at the same time my buddies and I kept repeating in vent over-and-over how much more fun RIFT could have been allowing guilds to enter a que for battlegrounds where they face off with other guilds. Instanced PvP in an MMO just screams competitive atmosphere and to allow proper teams to duke it out and reward those that win would keep competitive gamers HOOKED.
While entering a que with four friends is nice... I'd much rather have a proper full team going against another full team. The proper use of teamwork and communication adds so much depth into PvP and I'm shocked no developer has thought to create a guild VS guild system in their game.
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Probably what he said. But to relate to what you are saying, I do agree that instanced BG's often contain players who either refuse to follow a simple enough objective such as capture the flag or defend the base. A lot of players seem to think that all BG's can be won off of kills alone. That's the only thing that killed WAR for me. It wasn't the devs and the direction they were taking the game, which I was mostly fine with. It was the players and their insistence of meeting in the middle of the BG and just dooking it out. It would be nice if you had to pass an aptitude test before you can queue in a BG.
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it entirely depends on the player
me for example, Im quite competitive by nature, so I usually play to win. that means, doing the "right" things and trying to avoid the "wrong" things as much as I can.
but from time to time, I also enjoy the mindless carnage and slaugther. so ocassionally I will divert from the known strategies and important chokepoints, and go around looking for a fun match 1v1-ing or even 2v1-ing .
yup, most likley I will lose that match, but fun will be had, so as far as im concerned it was worth it.
now, I know that when Im on the mood of deathmatching someone in my team might want to play "right" and win.
likewise the inverse is true, probably if I try to play to win, someone else might think it is a good time to get some mindless fun.
Thats why when I feel like winning I make a premade group (with guildmates or on the fly) and make sure we all are in the same page.
when I just want to kick some ass and get mine kicked a lot, I solo queue.
I think your frustration, OP, comes from the fact that you are solo queuing when in the mood to play to win.
Thats noone elses fault but yours.
Then that answers one question not giving a crap about other people normally comes with a lack of maturity but it also answers a lack of a compedative nature as well .
If not giving a crap about others is a sign of immaturity then 90% of the MMO player base is immature lol
Like the others are saying, if you consider yourself mature and want others in your game that you also consider mature, then make pre mades out of mature folks you know.
Guild Wars always had this in it, and GW2 will have as well.
See? They DO care about you! :P
When I was a child it was important for me to get my name highest on the scoreboard so I can relate to very young children wanting to do this ( to show off to thier friends how many kills they got ).
It's more simple than all of that, people don't care. People don't care about you and they don't care about following orders If they think it deviates from what they want to do.
One thing to not rule out is simple inexperience with the instance or battleground. It's not always someone's 500th run and it may take them time to learn the tactics involved.
That said - it might be nice if the games had some kind of practice or tutorial for the battlegrounds to explain the goals and what strategies are best for each class. Sure you can usually find tutorial videos for an instance on Youtube but, anything that requires a player to access an alternative source of information outside of the game makes it that less likely that newer or less savvy players will know about or use it.
Primarily it's best if you have good guildies that you can group with and will teach you the ropes - sadly not everyone gets that support.
Simple and to the point directions in the chat can also sometimes help a lot. Leave out the insults and profanity and you might just get some of the newer players to start doing their job.
thats not being competitive thats just a self inflated ego
games are just that games, they are for having fun.
Sometimes being competitive is more important than other times IE: getting a better job placement etc, a video game is not on that higher competitive priority list IMO.
It depends on the game really I would'nt say 90 percent of the mmo player base is immature nor would I say the majority of them are self centred . But yes having a bad attitude and not careing about other people are things that can be attributed to an immature person . We all go through a stage of it when we are growing up but for it to carry on into someones 20s means there could be a problem with the way children develop due to modern schooling . I think Bill Gates said it best ....
http://www.skills-guide.com/real-life-by-bill-gates-for-school-children.html
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I REALLY hope you are aware that Bill didnt say a single thing of that....
Actually that comes under the development . When your very young your unable to grasp such things as tactics because of the way the human brain develops such things come as you get older . So there are well founded reasons why children of a certain age would approach something in a different way . As you get older very often how you approach playing a game will show how you will approach other things in life . If you just play for fun without wanting to win its more likly your approach to other things in life will follow suit . Also games were developed to be competative and lets face it people take Chess very seriously and that is a game as well .
There are a few websites that say its an urban legend and there are just as many saying its genuine . It depends on who you want to believe . Its sage advice whatever the source though .
you are taking everything and trying to lump it all together to make your point.
The fact is everyone develops differently acording to their personal idea's morals and surroundings etc.
when I was a kid I was commanding my friends on pretend battlefields in the woods, using dare I say tactics to take the other kids fort etc.
And to say because someone doesn't care too much about being competitive in a game says they dont want to win in other area's life is a far far stretch . Winning in other area's in life puts food on my table for myself and my family
when I play battlegrounds pvp etc, I do act as part of the team, and do my best to reach the objective, but you will not find me rage yelling and calling others noob or other various insults, because others didnt want to listen or play it "the right way", it is their 15 bucks a month as well and they are entitled to play it their way in the end.
My appologies English isn't my first language .
So far Ive only seen awesome group tactics displayed in GvG in Guild Wars 1.
In most other MMO's or even Alliance battles in Guild Wars 1 (which is kind of a BG) you see mainly players that are only interested in their own dps. The few groups that actually play with group tactics roll everyone in those.
can i take a guess that you are a world of warcraft fan/player?
You would'nt find me nerd raging either and I've never called another player a noob in a game . Lets face it we are all noobs at some point in any game we play . If you have it in your personality to be competative it will come out in anything you do be it gaming or any other area in your life . You obviously have a competative nature because you do your best to reach to objective as you say . I imagine your proberbly doing quite well in real life too .
Nah not giving a crap is not because of a lack of maturity. It because they pay there 15 euro's or whatever and prefer to have there fun there own way. From your OP, your the same.
lol what?! you think people who dont play wow competitively wont take other things in life seriously? that is the most ridiculous thing i've heard in a long time.
also it's an insult to chess if you compare it to wow
Some folks just don't put as much emphasis on winning an instanced PVP match as you do is all, doesn't have anything to do really with their maturity.
Perhaps all they care about is their personal kills. Maybe all they are in it for is some quick and mindless fun. Maybe spoiling your day is in fact their goal, perhaps they are griefing you for fun and profit.
Maybe they don't know any better, could be sort of new, maybe they can't make sense of the carnage with people screaming conflicting instructions all around them. (lack of clear leadership)
Maybe pick up group instanced PVP has no real objectives (it doesn't IMO, you aren't fighting for anything of value.
OP keeps trying to make everyone who doesn't excel in a PVP game situation somehow mentally, emotionally challenged for some reason.
The analogies fail and are not applicable in most situations, it would be no different than me saying if OP doesn't play EVE, understand it and enjoy its PVP cpmbat he must be juvenile or behind in his or her development. Just means he doesn't care for it nor is interested in it enough to excel in it.
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