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Swtor's world pvp ... what is that nasty Bioware hiding from us, my precious?
DarkPony
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While we are creeping towards launch in a few months, preordering has openened and the final crescendo of the marketing machine is slowly kicking in, it has been kind of silent on one specific aspect so far: World PVP.
They announced that it will be in and so far we've heared the following:
- There will be designated world-pvp areas on both pvp and pve servers
- Outside of those areas you can engage in pvp in more areas on pvp servers whilst on pve servers you need to flag yourself
- Some specific areas like infrastructure / certain towns, and of course the faction-specific planets will always be safe from pvp dangers
- They have somekind of content / system for world pvp in those designated area's
- Former Mythic devs are hired to work on that content
(Do correct me if I stated anything wrong here or add to it if I missed something).
That's about it. They have teased us multiple times by talking about imminent announcements but as far as I know, the veil hasn't been lifted yet, even at this late stage in development. That could very well mean something. PvP in all its forms is a big attractor for a lot of gamers so it seems kind of odd that they haven't really used that to their advantage in their marketing campaign so far.
So what I suspect, is that they have been scaling up or changing their world pvp content in a big way; perhaps influenced by GW 2's WvWvW concept which seems to appeal to a lot of people or maybe what they developed just didn't cut it.
The other option would be that they are saving it for last: to add some extra spice to their final sales pitches before launch.
So what do you guys think? Can we still expect something massive in the world pvp department?
Getting increasingly curious about this.
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I wouldn't say I'm worried but I'm just dying to get more details on World PvP. World PvP is a huge part of a game for me and I absolutely love it.
I love being attacked out of nowhere and having to deal with the situation. I hope they add something new (like you stated with GW2 concept being liked by so many)
I would love to see whole planets set aside as contested that function solely as PvP battlefronts where each side fight sfor control of points in a persistent battle.
If a side were to lock down the area then it's not like, "OH GAME OVER RESET!" but instead that side maintains control of it and the other side has to keep fighting to retake it.
But, I probably dream too much. :P
I don't think there is any reason to worry, bioware is one of the smartest developers out there, they know that PvP will be a huge part of the game, so I don't see any reason they'd leave it out. Besides, huge scale PvP(wars) is all part of the lore/story of the star wars universe and what is bioware best at? d: So honestly, I know bioware will come through when it comes to PvP and it will be something grand indeed.
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I remember a few years back they weren't even goign to have PvP in the game at all.
Having people from warhammer helping on the pvp aspect tells me it will be more like warhammers RvR zones and I HOPE they actually make a endgame pvp or several battle areas for endgame pvp so one does not get old. ( unlike WARS city pushes god them got old, tweeked and boring )
I am with you darkpony........BRING ON THE PVP pew pew
um when did they ever say that?
I want one entire world dedicated to PvP. They said theres one world dedicated to a kind of solo end game, I'd like to see an entire world set for just PvP end game, rife with control points, some hazardous PvE, and rewards that are good but not way over the top just in case one side dominates the other in population at some point.
I would hope they would say more soon. PvP is one of my favorite things about games. Theres nothing like sneaking up on someone for the kill. As long as there has been talk of open world pvp, even if its not everywhere, I'm happy.
Though details would be great.
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Don't think they ever did.
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Error in remembing or complete fiction? It's been pretty obvious even before the game was announced that PvP would be an element of the game, and every interview post announcement (even back to November 2008) indicated that the game had PvP. Just curiously, where did you draw that conclusion?
Before The Old Republic was even announced back in 2007, Gordon Walton (the Co-Studio Director at Bioware Austin) gave a speech at GDC talking about making an MMO in a post World of Warcraft landscape. At the time folks knew Bioware was working on an MMO in Austin, but not much else.
One of Walton's key points was:
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I think it is pretty obvious that PvP has been something that has been a part of the game since design phase. Even a November 2008 interview with then Community Manager Sean Dahberg made it pretty clear that PvP was in the game.
Sean Dahlberg : "Sean : Player vs Player is definitely one of the systems within the game; it just wouldn't be Star Wars if you're a Sith and run into a Jedi and want to give them a little payback and the game didnt let you do it."
Link to Full Interview
Sorry, I'd disagree with the idea that PvP was never a part of the game.
As long as it's not the rock > paper > scissors crap from WAR, then I'll be happy. Nothing worse than always being fodder for the more popular classes (read powerful) and where the utility style classes never actually get to kill anyone without help from their powerful friends. If healing from Jedi / Sith becomes central to all PvP, then I'll also be very disappointed.
PvP in Dark Age of Camelot, where players had a better chance against any class (not perfect) was a heck of a lot more fun than Warhammer Online, where some classes were designed to always beat the hell out of you no matter how well you played.
that would be cool and maybe they are testing that out at launch with the idea of adding more post launch if its working well(maybe not quite to the extent you describe but who knows)
4:31p: Question: Are there worlds devoted to pvp? JO: We have confirmed that we have open world PVP in the game. So one of the worlds, yes, has a huge area of it that is devoted to open world PVP but we're not going into details yet on how it plays until the near future. SR: We'll be talking a lot more about PVP over the summer though.
http://darthhater.com/2011/07/22/sdcc-2011-day-2-live-blog-coverage/
sounds like they are using gamescom or pax for their big pvp reveals
Fan: So are PvP arenas on your Wall of Crazy? And what incentives are you going to give for open world PvP?
SR: Come back and talk to us in a month.
http://darthhater.com/2011/07/24/sdcc-2011-day-4-live-blog-coverage/
and thats about when those conventions take place
And also:
http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/100/1007266p1.html
"Dallas Dickinson: We have a very experienced team here, a combination of BioWare veterans and MMO veterans. And many of our MMO veterans are hardcore PvP players. So our combat system is being designed with an eye towards PvP because we want to make sure that not only do you have a strong story experience--which is BioWare's hallmark, LucasArts' hallmark--but you also have the triple-A MMO experience that you expect, and PvP is a part of that. "
My guess would be Hoth.
Well, as we're gearing up for release, and a bunch of testers being planned for september, I think we're going to see all the cards pretty soon here. Well, at least all the cards they plan on showing. I know for a fact BioWare won't release all the information on the game, they want players to be surprised and figure things out for themselves.
Yes.
I cant remember which Comic Con article I read or saw it, but I believe it said that we'll be getting a "full" PvP over view next month, so perhaps at Gamecon or PaxPrime we'll get to see what the whole thing really entails.
That's where I think we'll get the 3rd Warzone, and the details about PvP lakes. (and that's Gabe's defintion because he has said that RvR is a system that is unique to games like DAoC and WAR.) It'll be interesting to see the Bioware take on those, and what they'll have to offer.
Here is where I'm taking that from.
This game has strengths, no doubt about it, it will be fun toplay through, agreed, but lets not pretend BW care overly about PvP, have it as a focus, or indeed overly care about it.
They will have it because it maximises sales but that dosent mean it will get the implementation it needs to give this game meaningful PvP.
I'd suggest you go back and read the Gordon Walton interview already linked in this thread. I think they have made it abundantly clear that they buy into PvP, and were committed to it. So suggesting they dont care about it, would fly in the face of every indication they have given.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying TOR is a PvP game, or ever will be, it's not going to have PvP as a focus like DAoC or WAR, however it does appear they've put some thought, care and effort into it.
The world meaningful is nice, but totally subjective.
Correct. Outside of warzones there will be no purpose to world PvP. They may have been using Mythic devs but they haven't taken what was learned from DAOC or WAR, instead they've went for the normal small areas or mini games if you will for PvP rather than lakes where there is a point. Sure there is open world PvP but it's just that, open with zero point or influence.
I'm hoping as i'm sure you and many others are that they have something up their sleeves but at this point that is very much doubtful unless they plan to only test it internally.
You realize that they have announced PvP lakes already, and we're going to have some definition of their take on them next month right? Granted it could be a holllow lake, but no real idea on that yet.
You obviously have read nothing about that game, they know PvP is a huge part of the game and have said so countless times and space combat is only an after thought for now, they have said again that if the demand is great enough for it, they will upgrade and make it a real space SIM. Quit hating on SW:ToR becuase it isn't SWG2, it's getting real old.
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This late into the game I don't think it will be a huge part of the game, but something similar to what WoW has (Wintergrasp, TB)...not EXACTLY like that though. Just in concept, as far as the actual pvp goes I have no doubt it will be something consistant and more like something you would see in WAR / DAOC. Just only on one planet.
A game changer they could reveal is a more competitive system. Something like Arenas would get them really far in the competitive PvP scene. (I personally can't stand Arenas though) Just anything that drives competition more then other MMOs have similar to the way WoW is setup.
Thanks gaou (and others). I missed that one. Looks like they are ready to lift the veil soon then.
Pretty excited about it. ^_^
I have always enjoyed pvp out in the open world even without large rewards or meta incentives but it's always cool to have alternatives and even better to make it "meaningful" in certain ways.
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If they have dedicated PVP servers and you play on a PVP server, how can you say that it wont be a huge part of the game? Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?
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It's still under NDA... so even if it were being tested right now we wouldn't know about it unless the devs wanted to come out and talk about it.