As far as needing household name actors to make a decent movie, I can think of several movies I have seen over the years that at the time were played by relatively unknowns. I remember seeing the Road Warrior in theaters and loving it although I never heard of Mel Gibson. I saw the first Pirates of the Caribbean and had never heard of Johnny Depp. Then for an extreme example there is Star Wars, no one had ever heard of anyone involved in that movie when it released.
I am not much of a movie buff, really more into gaming, but I have seen movies I enjoyed that didn't feature big name Hollywood stars. The fact that this latest Conan doesn't feature any doesn't put me off at all. I say I think it will eclipse Arnie's offerings because I don't think a movie has to stretch very far to accomplish that. I see no reason why Momoa and the supporting cast cannot do at least as well. I have been following the movie on the Conan movie blog for several months and I am persuaded that those involved in making the movie took it seriously, and did their best to produce a Conan movie worthy of Howard's stories.
I agree with all of this. Jason Momoa did an excellent job as Kahl Drogo in the series Game of Thrones, which is simply an amazing HBO series. I for one, was surprised to be him on the "Big Screen" and I pretty much wanted to see it because of his acting abilities in Game of Thrones. As for the supporting cast and overall story line? Who knows for certain. But as you said in the rest of your post, there are tons of mega hits out there that had actors in which people never heard about before. I for one look forward to seeing it. Maybe not in 3d.
Agree with both of these posters evry named actor had no name at one point and time and the truth is the movie looks pretty awesome from what I have seen of it should be a good flick just not too sure if it will have any bearing on the game which was developed independantly of the movie so it may not even have the same look/feel to it.
Funny how the new Conan movie seems to be about PvP, yet our beloved Craig pushes out PvE Bosses for PvP'ers to kill, and says it's not really PvE! Mr. Bori is just horrible and I wish he had been fired 2 years ago.
Does this man even know what PvP and PvE mean? a Boss mob placed to the world is PVE. A quest to kill 10 enemies in zone X is PVP.
Craig is probably the worst GD I've seen with a product, that HAD so much potential.
Funny how the new Conan movie seems to be about PvP, yet our beloved Craig pushes out PvE Bosses for PvP'ers to kill, and says it's not really PvE! Mr. Bori is just horrible and I wish he had been fired 2 years ago.
Does this man even know what PvP and PvE mean? a Boss mob placed to the world is PVE. A quest to kill 10 enemies in zone X is PVP.
Craig is probably the worst GD I've seen with a product, that HAD so much potential.
FUNNY how this game has nothing to do with the movie and that the game that came out way before this movie should be like this movie? the movie and game can be completely diffrent the movie maker could add little zombie dogs if they think it improves their movie.
Funny how the new Conan movie seems to be about PvP, yet our beloved Craig pushes out PvE Bosses for PvP'ers to kill, and says it's not really PvE! Mr. Bori is just horrible and I wish he had been fired 2 years ago.
Does this man even know what PvP and PvE mean? a Boss mob placed to the world is PVE. A quest to kill 10 enemies in zone X is PVP.
Craig is probably the worst GD I've seen with a product, that HAD so much potential.
FUNNY how this game has nothing to do with the movie and that the game that came out way before this movie should be like this movie? the movie and game can be completely diffrent the movie maker could add little zombie dogs if they think it improves their movie.
FUNNY how FC themselves keep spouting about a movie tie-in to go with the new Conan. It's funny right? No, I guess it's not funny. it's just a fact.
I don't actually know, if you're just trolling or uninformed. Either way you're very mistaken.
Funny how the new Conan movie seems to be about PvP, yet our beloved Craig pushes out PvE Bosses for PvP'ers to kill, and says it's not really PvE! Mr. Bori is just horrible and I wish he had been fired 2 years ago.
Does this man even know what PvP and PvE mean? a Boss mob placed to the world is PVE. A quest to kill 10 enemies in zone X is PVP.
Craig is probably the worst GD I've seen with a product, that HAD so much potential.
Funny how the new Conan movie seems to be about PvP, yet our beloved Craig pushes out PvE Bosses for PvP'ers to kill, and says it's not really PvE! Mr. Bori is just horrible and I wish he had been fired 2 years ago.
Does this man even know what PvP and PvE mean? a Boss mob placed to the world is PVE. A quest to kill 10 enemies in zone X is PVP.
Craig is probably the worst GD I've seen with a product, that HAD so much potential.
How is a movie about PvP? Ever?
A lot of people die, instead of some dark dungeon mobs? Let's see if the new Conan kills some raid bosses.. I'm thinking NO.
Sure, it's a bad way to convey what I mean, but I think the brutality of original Conan doesn't include some Kyllikki's etc. Maybe if you change PvP to people vs people in this case.
Funny how the new Conan movie seems to be about PvP, yet our beloved Craig pushes out PvE Bosses for PvP'ers to kill, and says it's not really PvE! Mr. Bori is just horrible and I wish he had been fired 2 years ago.
Does this man even know what PvP and PvE mean? a Boss mob placed to the world is PVE. A quest to kill 10 enemies in zone X is PVP.
Craig is probably the worst GD I've seen with a product, that HAD so much potential.
How is a movie about PvP? Ever?
A lot of people die, instead of some dark dungeon mobs? Let's see if the new Conan kills some raid bosses.. I'm thinking NO.
You do realize that PvP stands for player vs. player. All the violence in any movie is character vs. character, there are no "players" in movies. As for a "raid boss" I'm guessing that serpent thing in the trailers is probably pretty damn close to one, but again it's character vs. character/monster no players involved.
Funny how the new Conan movie seems to be about PvP, yet our beloved Craig pushes out PvE Bosses for PvP'ers to kill, and says it's not really PvE! Mr. Bori is just horrible and I wish he had been fired 2 years ago.
Does this man even know what PvP and PvE mean? a Boss mob placed to the world is PVE. A quest to kill 10 enemies in zone X is PVP.
Craig is probably the worst GD I've seen with a product, that HAD so much potential.
How is a movie about PvP? Ever?
A lot of people die, instead of some dark dungeon mobs? Let's see if the new Conan kills some raid bosses.. I'm thinking NO.
You do realize that PvP stands for player vs. player. All the violence in any movie is character vs. character, there are no "players" in movies. As for a "raid boss" I'm guessing that serpent thing in the trailers is probably pretty damn close to one, but again it's character vs. character/monster no players involved.
Yes, I edited my previous post. So how many AoC dudes kill these raid bosses, that you say appear in the game solo?
I've also tried it for so many times, that I can't even count anymore. Seeing the same man as GD pushing PvE for years, just kills it for me and many others.
I can't see this new movie doing much to AoC, it might get some F2P's, who actually bother to download such a huge amount, but that's about it. Their store is completely ridicilous and can't see it changing anytime soon, all the way to P2W items.
Funny how the new Conan movie seems to be about PvP, yet our beloved Craig pushes out PvE Bosses for PvP'ers to kill, and says it's not really PvE! Mr. Bori is just horrible and I wish he had been fired 2 years ago.
Does this man even know what PvP and PvE mean? a Boss mob placed to the world is PVE. A quest to kill 10 enemies in zone X is PVP.
Craig is probably the worst GD I've seen with a product, that HAD so much potential.
How is a movie about PvP? Ever?
A lot of people die, instead of some dark dungeon mobs? Let's see if the new Conan kills some raid bosses.. I'm thinking NO.
You do realize that PvP stands for player vs. player. All the violence in any movie is character vs. character, there are no "players" in movies. As for a "raid boss" I'm guessing that serpent thing in the trailers is probably pretty damn close to one, but again it's character vs. character/monster no players involved.
Yes, I edited my previous post. So how many AoC dudes kill these raid bosses, that you say appear in the game solo?
What? I have no idea what this has to do with a movie and your argument that the movie show PvP... No movie will ever give you the same experience as the game because you actually control something in the game and in a movie, it is a story told to you that you have no control over. A movie can't be about PvP that's the simple point I am making.
I seriously think that it's the other way around. Everyone who has tried/played the game will certainly feel an interest to see the film.
I believe that that number could be between 1.500.000 to 2.000.000. Add all the Conan lovers that do not play pc games and all the fantasy movie lovers you got a huge number there....So the tickets will get a serious boost...
The film by itself does not show anything biggie...Won't affect people in a way to make them go play an online game....at least not the same way the opposite way
I gave as an example LOTRO. THere were thousands of people I met when I played at start/beta who never touched MMO before. It was the IP that brought them to the genre
Yes, but IP does not a good game make. LOTRO is the biggest fantasy IP there is, yet the game still went F2P since Turbine managed to drive a lot of players away with certain things about the game (Radiance being one hot topic).
F2P is the model of the future. It is a way to make more money.
F2P is the model of the future for games that can´t retain subscribers. There isn´t a company out there that doesn´t want the predictability of $15 per month. DDO is making a lot more money now than it did as a subscription game, or that SWG is making.
F2P is like CPR.. it is a way to keep you from dying, but not the way you want to live your life.
I disagree. Personally I think the movie will be a flop.
Unfortunately nobody knows who Jason Momoa is. When the original conan came out James Earl Jones was already an established master of the craft at acting. So was Max von Sydow. Arnold was a household name and John Millius the director was known for writing Acopolypse Now.
This matters because Conan has a cult following. Nobody will see the new movie unless they are already fans of the Conan franchise.
The movie will have to get a 5 star review from critics to get people who aren't familiar with Conan into the theaters. From the trailers I've seen it looks like it would have been Uwe Bol's best movie. Which isn't saying much.
I'll still be seeing though. Probably on opening day. Guarantee I'll be 1 of maybe 15 people in the theatre to see it.
Off topic:
To say Arnold was a house hold name when Conan was release is a huge stretch, let’s look at the movies he released up to Conan the Barbarian:
His biggest movie before Conan would be the Villain and he really did not even talk in it. So to say he would be a house hold name would be very much stretching the truth, in fact his first major blockbuster did not happen for another four years after Conan the barbarian and that was Terminator in 1984. Jason Momoa is about as much of a house hold name as Arnold was when he made Conan the Barbarian. AH but who cares, believe what you want to believe about Arnold’s career.
On topic: If the movie does well I could see the game numbers increasing because of it.
You do realize a lot of people knew Arnold from bodybuilding right? A lot of people already knew who he was. I like how you left the movie Pumping Iron off that list. That's how people really got to know who Arnold was. That's how Conan was so anticipated. Because it also starred that world champion body builder from Pumping Iron.
As far as the new Conan movie, I think it will eclipse the previous movies and Momoa will set a new standard for a screen adaptation of Howard's Conan. I also believe there will be at least one sequel made as a spin off from this successful offering. Those are my predictions, we will see how things pan out in about a month
I disagree. Personally I think the movie will be a flop.
Unfortunately nobody knows who Jason Momoa is. When the original Conan came out James Earl Jones was already an established master of the craft at acting. So was Max von Sydow. Arnold was a household name and John Millius the director was known for writing Apocalypse Now.
This matters because Conan has a cult following. Nobody will see the new movie unless they are already fans of the Conan franchise.
The movie will have to get a 5 star review from critics to get people who aren't familiar with Conan into the theaters. From the trailers I've seen it looks like it would have been Uwe Bol's best movie. Which isn't saying much.
I'll still be seeing though. Probably on opening day. Guarantee I'll be 1 of maybe 15 people in the theatre to see it.
Well some folks know who Jason Momoa is. He is a two bit actor at best. All I have to do is point at Star Gate Atlantis. Yes it had 4 seasons, It was a miserable show, almost as bad as Stargate Univers. His acting if you could call it acting was second rate at best. I know that some folks will go hey he did that show on called Games of Thrones it lasted 10 episodes ten and only on HBO I have yet to see them, so I can only hope his 2nd rate acting skills are better than what they were in SGA. I am like this is the idiot actor they want doing Conan?? I have to question why pick a no-name, I guess so they can pay him 1/2 of what the going rate is for a real actor. Personally I will pass on the new Conan movie as I have no faith in them doing the remake right.
Oh and if you want to take a look at this guys checkered past here is a list of what he has done, not very impressive.
I dont know I'm not going to or ever intended to bash Momoa's acting career. Everyone takes shitty roles time to time because it's their job. Sometimes you get a hit. Sometimes it's also the case that everyone pretty much sucks at everything until you learn it and get better.
I'm just saying the casting for the movie, how the movie looks. the fact there's not one credible actor, writer, director working on it in a major signifant way leads me to believe that whoever is producing it doesn't take the franchise, it's audience or the art of filmmaking seriously.
I can enjoy a good popcorn movie, it doesn't have to be an Oscar winning movie. But the movie looks like it just reaks of mediocrity.
Funny how the new Conan movie seems to be about PvP, yet our beloved Craig pushes out PvE Bosses for PvP'ers to kill, and says it's not really PvE! Mr. Bori is just horrible and I wish he had been fired 2 years ago.
Does this man even know what PvP and PvE mean? a Boss mob placed to the world is PVE. A quest to kill 10 enemies in zone X is PVP.
Craig is probably the worst GD I've seen with a product, that HAD so much potential.
FUNNY how this game has nothing to do with the movie and that the game that came out way before this movie should be like this movie? the movie and game can be completely diffrent the movie maker could add little zombie dogs if they think it improves their movie.
FUNNY how FC themselves keep spouting about a movie tie-in to go with the new Conan. It's funny right? No, I guess it's not funny. it's just a fact.
I don't actually know, if you're just trolling or uninformed. Either way you're very mistaken.
But what will be the ´tie-in´.. will it be a mini-pet given away on an obscure gaming website that was seen in the background of a scene in the movie? Are they going to create entire new zones and NPCs in the game based on the new movie? Both are tie-ins.
My guess is there will be nothing in the theatrical release of the movie that mentions AOC.... in the same way the SW movies never mentioned SWG. So I think the theatrical debut will do nothing for AOC. Are people going to see a rather ´medium´movie and suddenly decide they need to play an MMORPG? And most people familar with AOC who happen to see the movie are going to know the games reputation anyway.
The only hope is with the dvd, and then only if the game comes included... and even then it is a stretch to think that translates into actualy $$ for funcom.
Maybe itll boost the amount of players on short term. But because the movie doesnt change the game, I doubt itll have a lasting effect on the amount of players of the game.
You do realize a lot of people knew Arnold from bodybuilding right? A lot of people already knew who he was. I like how you left the movie Pumping Iron off that list. That's how people really got to know who Arnold was. That's how Conan was so anticipated. Because it also starred that world champion body builder from Pumping Iron.
I did not leave that movie off the list IIMB did, if you go look up Arnold Schwarzenegger that movie is not even listed. So you are right apparently that movie was so popular with the masses that the international movie data base does not even acknowledge its existence.
Also I am willing to extend my bet to you here, I will bet a $100 that I can go to the mall where I live with a camera and ask 5 complete strangers who the pumping iron champion is, and if all 5 get it right you win if not I win. I wonder how many on this site can name the champions in body building right now, I know I cannot. Body building is still not really something the masses are involved in, so saying Arnold was a know household name in 1980 because of that is beyond retarded.
You do realize a lot of people knew Arnold from bodybuilding right? A lot of people already knew who he was. I like how you left the movie Pumping Iron off that list. That's how people really got to know who Arnold was. That's how Conan was so anticipated. Because it also starred that world champion body builder from Pumping Iron.
I did not leave that movie off the list IIMB did, if you go look up Arnold Schwarzenegger that movie is not even listed. So you are right apparently that movie was so popular with the masses that the international movie data base does not even acknowledge its existence.
Also I am willing to extend my bet to you here, I will bet a $100 that I can go to the mall where I live with a camera and ask 5 complete strangers who the pumping iron champion is, and if all 5 get it right you win if not I win. I wonder how many on this site can name the champions in body building right now, I know I cannot. Body building is still not really something the masses are involved in, so saying Arnold was a know household name in 1980 because of that is beyond retarded.
The Pumping Iron champion?
The movie is a documentary. And it wasn't hard to find. And I won't take your bet about going to a mall. Most Tweens won't evne know who Arnold even is. I bet you if you ask people 30 and older especially men who lift weights, compete in any athletics and or martial arts 30 and older; I do guarantee they will have atleast heard of the documentary Pumping Iron. I grew up in the 80s and was a huge Arnold fan along with most other kids. Every kid would always ask if they saw Pumping Iron.
I also don't know what point you're trying to gain with this Arnold angle. I said that there were great actors, directors, writers and even set design (Ron Cobb) that worked on the orignal Conan. Because the fact Hollywood actually tried to make a quality Conan movie people not aware of the Conan franchise came out and saw the flick.
My arguement is that the new Conan movie doesn't take this route at all. The whole production from writing, producer, director and actors/actress aren't near the same caliber or professional experience as the original. And in my opinion this will not bring in an audience that is not aware of Conan. The only people coming to the new Conan movie are those already familiar with the franchise. And if they play video games, they already know AoC exists.
And what the heck do you mean not many people are involved in body building? Everywhere I go people are involved in fitness. Arnold brought an inpresidented exposure to body building and fitness in general. And the ball got rolling with Pumping Iron. When he got a lot of exposure from Conan, and Terminator then it all erupted.
It's funny how I'm supporting my opinion with names and logic. You're supporting your opinion by saying you're going to go to a mall (where girls 18 and under frequently hang) and ask 5 random people if they saw the movie. And if ALL 5 of those people know Pumping Iron I win the disagreement?
a.) Schwarzeneger was well known at the time movie was released. And as you claim his fame came from being world champion in heavy lifting? You back this up saying you knew him and the people you hanged with knew him as well. Well you might, most people didn't.
Today 1 out of maybe 100 people would know who is the heavy weight champion.
If you ask people whose interest includes the subject that the documentary portrayed ... it is not a very well constructed argument, since we are arguing about the masses here. Sure, those people know about it, but they are a minority ...
I am a huge movie buff but I have never heard of this documentary? Why? Because it is off a subject that does not interest me at all. I am willing to bet that out of 100 random people maybe 2 will know this documentary
b.) You claim that Conan was a huge hit and that it is a good movie. yet:
IMBD box office all time sale. There is terminator, there is rocky, there is rambo ... all the greatest hits from that time. But Conan is not listed. Apocalypse now is not listed.
Why? Because these are cult movies, appreciated by movie enthusiasts but never made a colossal boom in public. I rest my case.
As far as the new Conan movie, I think it will eclipse the previous movies and Momoa will set a new standard for a screen adaptation of Howard's Conan. I also believe there will be at least one sequel made as a spin off from this successful offering. Those are my predictions, we will see how things pan out in about a month
I disagree. Personally I think the movie will be a flop.
Unfortunately nobody knows who Jason Momoa is. When the original Conan came out James Earl Jones was already an established master of the craft at acting. So was Max von Sydow. Arnold was a household name and John Millius the director was known for writing Apocalypse Now.
This matters because Conan has a cult following. Nobody will see the new movie unless they are already fans of the Conan franchise.
The movie will have to get a 5 star review from critics to get people who aren't familiar with Conan into the theaters. From the trailers I've seen it looks like it would have been Uwe Bol's best movie. Which isn't saying much.
I'll still be seeing though. Probably on opening day. Guarantee I'll be 1 of maybe 15 people in the theatre to see it.
Well some folks know who Jason Momoa is. He is a two bit actor at best. All I have to do is point at Star Gate Atlantis. Yes it had 4 seasons, It was a miserable show, almost as bad as Stargate Univers. His acting if you could call it acting was second rate at best. I know that some folks will go hey he did that show on called Games of Thrones it lasted 10 episodes ten and only on HBO I have yet to see them, so I can only hope his 2nd rate acting skills are better than what they were in SGA. I am like this is the idiot actor they want doing Conan?? I have to question why pick a no-name, I guess so they can pay him 1/2 of what the going rate is for a real actor. Personally I will pass on the new Conan movie as I have no faith in them doing the remake right.
Oh and if you want to take a look at this guys checkered past here is a list of what he has done, not very impressive.
Being horribly misinformed is so amusing. Game of Thrones did not last "just" 10 episodes. Its called a season. Season 1 is only 10 episodes, which covered the entire story and ended at the exact same point as the 1st book (Game of Thrones) in the series A Song of Ice and Fire, and season 2 is in production with a much bigger budget than season 1 due to the success of season 1. Btw, he was awesome in Game of Thrones, as were pretty much all of the actors. You know all those "real" actors youre talking about. Most of them have done bad movies/shows as well. Its pretty damn rare in fact to have an actor who has done good in EVERY part they play. They tend learn & develop and become better. Direction also plays a huge part in it as well. Its not as if an actor in a show has full creative control and decides how he is going to play character and what he will say, what he will do, etc. My god, have you even watched any of the SG series? Could you really claim anyones acting in them was excellent (maybe in SG: Universe, but not the older series)?
a.) Schwarzeneger was well known at the time movie was released. And as you claim his fame came from being world champion in heavy lifting? You back this up saying you knew him and the people you hanged with knew him as well. Well you might, most people didn't.
Today 1 out of maybe 100 people would know who is the heavy weight champion.
If you ask people whose interest includes the subject that the documentary portrayed ... it is not a very well constructed argument, since we are arguing about the masses here. Sure, those people know about it, but they are a minority ...
I am a huge movie buff but I have never heard of this documentary? Why? Because it is off a subject that does not interest me at all. I am willing to bet that out of 100 random people maybe 2 will know this documentary
b.) You claim that Conan was a huge hit and that it is a good movie. yet:
IMBD box office all time sale. There is terminator, there is rocky, there is rambo ... all the greatest hits from that time. But Conan is not listed. Apocalypse now is not listed.
Why? Because these are cult movies, appreciated by movie enthusiasts but never made a colossal boom in public. I rest my case.
What the flying fuck are you talking about man?
I was trying to actually have an informed calm debate with you like an adult but now you're either just a troll or you're a teenager who just doesn't know.
I never even said the original Conan was so great. I said that people who have done great things in cinema worked on it and that alone brought people into the theatre., with or without Arnold; unlike the new Conan. It happens all the time. Sometimes the movie works out and sometimes it doesn't
And dude. The masses knew about body building from Pumping Iron that's how some of themj got inspired and into fitness. WTF, how come you're not understanding a word I'm saying? I gre up in the 80s. Not just the people I were friends with knew who he was and about Pumping Iron but girls knew.
And just because a movie doesn't win an oscar that makes it a bad movie?
And now you're telling me film critics don't consider Apocolypse Now a cinema masterpiece just because IMDB doesn't list its box office sales as if a box office smash is an indicator on how good a movie is? It is also not a cult movie. Conan on the other hand is. Which is the whole point of my original post. That nobody outside of the Conan following will go to see the new Conan.
If I weren't at work at this moment I would also post videos of the behind scenes of the making of Conan:the barbarian called Conan: Unchained. I think John Milius (don't quote me) talked about how theatres were packed because people came out to see Arnold and they knew him from seeing him in Pumping Iron and how he had popped the lid off the body building scene and brought it to the mainstream. You can get the documentary on youtube.
I like how this thread is about if if the new movie will boost the games playerbase. I expressed my opinion on why i dont think it would have much of an effect. Maybe I'm right and I hope I'm wrong because I think the game is pretty good. But you decide to pick my opinion apart on a small detail that doesn't effect or change the point I'm making or my opinion of the first conan or the new conan and it's relevelance to this thread.
So I have to ask. What argument are you actually trying to make here? Are you being serious or are you just trolling? lol
Just more to add I've taken you up on you asking 100 random people if they heard of it. So far I've asked 12 people.
Out of the 12 people, 8 people have atleast heard of Pumping Iron. Out of those same 12 people, 10 knew Arnold was at least known (but not huge) in the mainstream prior to Conan.
So It seems that it is almost half feels yes it will help boost player base and almost half feel no it wont. Many feel that the actor and or the production of the movie may or may not have a lasting effect of whether or not people will be more carious or at least remind older players to try the game again.
It also seems to be the view point it depends if FC plays there cards right and markets AoC along with the movie. All good thoughts.
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Agree with both of these posters evry named actor had no name at one point and time and the truth is the movie looks pretty awesome from what I have seen of it should be a good flick just not too sure if it will have any bearing on the game which was developed independantly of the movie so it may not even have the same look/feel to it.
Funny how the new Conan movie seems to be about PvP, yet our beloved Craig pushes out PvE Bosses for PvP'ers to kill, and says it's not really PvE! Mr. Bori is just horrible and I wish he had been fired 2 years ago.
Does this man even know what PvP and PvE mean? a Boss mob placed to the world is PVE. A quest to kill 10 enemies in zone X is PVP.
Craig is probably the worst GD I've seen with a product, that HAD so much potential.
FUNNY how this game has nothing to do with the movie and that the game that came out way before this movie should be like this movie? the movie and game can be completely diffrent the movie maker could add little zombie dogs if they think it improves their movie.
FUNNY how FC themselves keep spouting about a movie tie-in to go with the new Conan. It's funny right? No, I guess it's not funny. it's just a fact.
I don't actually know, if you're just trolling or uninformed. Either way you're very mistaken.
How is a movie about PvP? Ever?
A lot of people die, instead of some dark dungeon mobs? Let's see if the new Conan kills some raid bosses.. I'm thinking NO.
Sure, it's a bad way to convey what I mean, but I think the brutality of original Conan doesn't include some Kyllikki's etc. Maybe if you change PvP to people vs people in this case.
You do realize that PvP stands for player vs. player. All the violence in any movie is character vs. character, there are no "players" in movies. As for a "raid boss" I'm guessing that serpent thing in the trailers is probably pretty damn close to one, but again it's character vs. character/monster no players involved.
Yes, I edited my previous post. So how many AoC dudes kill these raid bosses, that you say appear in the game solo?
I been trying to play the game but is freaking boring......
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
I've also tried it for so many times, that I can't even count anymore. Seeing the same man as GD pushing PvE for years, just kills it for me and many others.
I can't see this new movie doing much to AoC, it might get some F2P's, who actually bother to download such a huge amount, but that's about it. Their store is completely ridicilous and can't see it changing anytime soon, all the way to P2W items.
What? I have no idea what this has to do with a movie and your argument that the movie show PvP... No movie will ever give you the same experience as the game because you actually control something in the game and in a movie, it is a story told to you that you have no control over. A movie can't be about PvP that's the simple point I am making.
F2P is the model of the future for games that can´t retain subscribers. There isn´t a company out there that doesn´t want the predictability of $15 per month. DDO is making a lot more money now than it did as a subscription game, or that SWG is making.
F2P is like CPR.. it is a way to keep you from dying, but not the way you want to live your life.
You do realize a lot of people knew Arnold from bodybuilding right? A lot of people already knew who he was. I like how you left the movie Pumping Iron off that list. That's how people really got to know who Arnold was. That's how Conan was so anticipated. Because it also starred that world champion body builder from Pumping Iron.
I dont know I'm not going to or ever intended to bash Momoa's acting career. Everyone takes shitty roles time to time because it's their job. Sometimes you get a hit. Sometimes it's also the case that everyone pretty much sucks at everything until you learn it and get better.
I'm just saying the casting for the movie, how the movie looks. the fact there's not one credible actor, writer, director working on it in a major signifant way leads me to believe that whoever is producing it doesn't take the franchise, it's audience or the art of filmmaking seriously.
I can enjoy a good popcorn movie, it doesn't have to be an Oscar winning movie. But the movie looks like it just reaks of mediocrity.
But what will be the ´tie-in´.. will it be a mini-pet given away on an obscure gaming website that was seen in the background of a scene in the movie? Are they going to create entire new zones and NPCs in the game based on the new movie? Both are tie-ins.
My guess is there will be nothing in the theatrical release of the movie that mentions AOC.... in the same way the SW movies never mentioned SWG. So I think the theatrical debut will do nothing for AOC. Are people going to see a rather ´medium´movie and suddenly decide they need to play an MMORPG? And most people familar with AOC who happen to see the movie are going to know the games reputation anyway.
The only hope is with the dvd, and then only if the game comes included... and even then it is a stretch to think that translates into actualy $$ for funcom.
Maybe itll boost the amount of players on short term. But because the movie doesnt change the game, I doubt itll have a lasting effect on the amount of players of the game.
I did not leave that movie off the list IIMB did, if you go look up Arnold Schwarzenegger that movie is not even listed. So you are right apparently that movie was so popular with the masses that the international movie data base does not even acknowledge its existence.
Also I am willing to extend my bet to you here, I will bet a $100 that I can go to the mall where I live with a camera and ask 5 complete strangers who the pumping iron champion is, and if all 5 get it right you win if not I win. I wonder how many on this site can name the champions in body building right now, I know I cannot. Body building is still not really something the masses are involved in, so saying Arnold was a know household name in 1980 because of that is beyond retarded.
The Pumping Iron champion?
The movie is a documentary. And it wasn't hard to find. And I won't take your bet about going to a mall. Most Tweens won't evne know who Arnold even is. I bet you if you ask people 30 and older especially men who lift weights, compete in any athletics and or martial arts 30 and older; I do guarantee they will have atleast heard of the documentary Pumping Iron. I grew up in the 80s and was a huge Arnold fan along with most other kids. Every kid would always ask if they saw Pumping Iron.
I also don't know what point you're trying to gain with this Arnold angle. I said that there were great actors, directors, writers and even set design (Ron Cobb) that worked on the orignal Conan. Because the fact Hollywood actually tried to make a quality Conan movie people not aware of the Conan franchise came out and saw the flick.
My arguement is that the new Conan movie doesn't take this route at all. The whole production from writing, producer, director and actors/actress aren't near the same caliber or professional experience as the original. And in my opinion this will not bring in an audience that is not aware of Conan. The only people coming to the new Conan movie are those already familiar with the franchise. And if they play video games, they already know AoC exists.
And what the heck do you mean not many people are involved in body building? Everywhere I go people are involved in fitness. Arnold brought an inpresidented exposure to body building and fitness in general. And the ball got rolling with Pumping Iron. When he got a lot of exposure from Conan, and Terminator then it all erupted.
It's funny how I'm supporting my opinion with names and logic. You're supporting your opinion by saying you're going to go to a mall (where girls 18 and under frequently hang) and ask 5 random people if they saw the movie. And if ALL 5 of those people know Pumping Iron I win the disagreement?
Not haten man, I still like you.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076578/
wow, you must be insane.
Your arguments that you haven't proven:
a.) Schwarzeneger was well known at the time movie was released. And as you claim his fame came from being world champion in heavy lifting? You back this up saying you knew him and the people you hanged with knew him as well. Well you might, most people didn't.
Today 1 out of maybe 100 people would know who is the heavy weight champion.
If you ask people whose interest includes the subject that the documentary portrayed ... it is not a very well constructed argument, since we are arguing about the masses here. Sure, those people know about it, but they are a minority ...
I am a huge movie buff but I have never heard of this documentary? Why? Because it is off a subject that does not interest me at all. I am willing to bet that out of 100 random people maybe 2 will know this documentary
b.) You claim that Conan was a huge hit and that it is a good movie. yet:
-it is rated 6.8 on IMDB
-it has not win a single oscar
--> http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide
IMBD box office all time sale. There is terminator, there is rocky, there is rambo ... all the greatest hits from that time. But Conan is not listed. Apocalypse now is not listed.
Why? Because these are cult movies, appreciated by movie enthusiasts but never made a colossal boom in public. I rest my case.
I doubt the movie will have much of an effect.
I think it would help if the game was advertised along with the movie, but otherwise I don't think it will help the game at all.
Being horribly misinformed is so amusing. Game of Thrones did not last "just" 10 episodes. Its called a season. Season 1 is only 10 episodes, which covered the entire story and ended at the exact same point as the 1st book (Game of Thrones) in the series A Song of Ice and Fire, and season 2 is in production with a much bigger budget than season 1 due to the success of season 1. Btw, he was awesome in Game of Thrones, as were pretty much all of the actors. You know all those "real" actors youre talking about. Most of them have done bad movies/shows as well. Its pretty damn rare in fact to have an actor who has done good in EVERY part they play. They tend learn & develop and become better. Direction also plays a huge part in it as well. Its not as if an actor in a show has full creative control and decides how he is going to play character and what he will say, what he will do, etc. My god, have you even watched any of the SG series? Could you really claim anyones acting in them was excellent (maybe in SG: Universe, but not the older series)?
What the flying fuck are you talking about man?
I was trying to actually have an informed calm debate with you like an adult but now you're either just a troll or you're a teenager who just doesn't know.
I never even said the original Conan was so great. I said that people who have done great things in cinema worked on it and that alone brought people into the theatre., with or without Arnold; unlike the new Conan. It happens all the time. Sometimes the movie works out and sometimes it doesn't
And dude. The masses knew about body building from Pumping Iron that's how some of themj got inspired and into fitness. WTF, how come you're not understanding a word I'm saying? I gre up in the 80s. Not just the people I were friends with knew who he was and about Pumping Iron but girls knew.
And just because a movie doesn't win an oscar that makes it a bad movie?
And now you're telling me film critics don't consider Apocolypse Now a cinema masterpiece just because IMDB doesn't list its box office sales as if a box office smash is an indicator on how good a movie is? It is also not a cult movie. Conan on the other hand is. Which is the whole point of my original post. That nobody outside of the Conan following will go to see the new Conan.
#35 on this list.
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
On the folling link scroll 3/4 down to where it says "Box Office"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Now
150 million worldwide in 1979 is hardly a bomb at the box office.
2nd parapgrah, first line under Acting Career. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Schwarzenegger
If I weren't at work at this moment I would also post videos of the behind scenes of the making of Conan:the barbarian called Conan: Unchained. I think John Milius (don't quote me) talked about how theatres were packed because people came out to see Arnold and they knew him from seeing him in Pumping Iron and how he had popped the lid off the body building scene and brought it to the mainstream. You can get the documentary on youtube.
I like how this thread is about if if the new movie will boost the games playerbase. I expressed my opinion on why i dont think it would have much of an effect. Maybe I'm right and I hope I'm wrong because I think the game is pretty good. But you decide to pick my opinion apart on a small detail that doesn't effect or change the point I'm making or my opinion of the first conan or the new conan and it's relevelance to this thread.
So I have to ask. What argument are you actually trying to make here? Are you being serious or are you just trolling? lol
Just more to add I've taken you up on you asking 100 random people if they heard of it. So far I've asked 12 people.
Out of the 12 people, 8 people have atleast heard of Pumping Iron. Out of those same 12 people, 10 knew Arnold was at least known (but not huge) in the mainstream prior to Conan.
What was so great about Momoa in Game of Thrones? All he did was look buff and make overly emotive gestures while spouting gibberish.
So It seems that it is almost half feels yes it will help boost player base and almost half feel no it wont. Many feel that the actor and or the production of the movie may or may not have a lasting effect of whether or not people will be more carious or at least remind older players to try the game again.
It also seems to be the view point it depends if FC plays there cards right and markets AoC along with the movie. All good thoughts.
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