Love X3: Terran Conflict....is EVE a good online fit?

aionix · July 2011

So I'm a HUGE fan of the X universe games, and have been modding and playing the crap outta X3: Terran Conflict for the past couple of years now. What I want to ask before I begin my EVE trial is, will this be a good online fit for me?

I want to get into the mining/trading/building aspects of EVE since this was the biggest part of what I have been doing in X3 and why its so amazing. Right now in X3 I own one of the biggest mining corporations with hundereds of silicon and ore mines in many sectors. This was starting as a lowly trading merchant and making enough money to buy my first mining complex. Combat was fun every now and then, but was not the main point for me so EVE's click and shoot combat doesn't bother me at all.

Now I want a deeper and even more engaging experience of empire building, working the markets, logistics calculations, and all that jazz. I've always been nervous of trying EVE because of the danger invloved and RL money commitments, but with amazing corporation mechanics I feel like that shouldn't be an issue detering me from playing.

So those that have played EVE or are playing, I ask you this: Do you think EVE would be a great step up for me? Is EVE still healthy? And are there any corporations you know of willing to hire a newbie trader/miner such as myself after I graduate EVE University ?

Bladestrom · July 2011

Absolutely not m8, stay clear. I am also a big x3 fan and had a shot of eve a couple weeks ago, as I loved the idea of playing the role of a wealthy trader/gatherer. However Eve is about PVP. you do trading and gathering to gain ISK, but ulitmately this is only used to either a) cover the continual costs of getting ganked and getting stuff destroyed while you play the game you want to offset a little by learning 'tricks' to avoid getting ganked, or b) gather/trade until you learn and move full into PVP.

If you ask for advice for PVE, you invariable get 'be prepared to lose ships' and don't travel with anything valuable that you are not prepared to lose. Reading between the lines you can join a 'carebear' guild (yes that's what they call pve'rs) but there is a glass ceiling which you van only breach by going pvp.

PVP wise it is superb, and the complexity of the game is wonderful.

Lobotomist · July 2011

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Absolutely not m8, stay clear. I am also a big x3 fan and had a shot of eve a couple weeks ago, as I loved the idea of playing the role of a wealthy trader/gatherer. However Eve is about PVP. you do trading and gathering to gain ISK, but ulitmately this is only used to either a) cover the continual costs of getting ganked and getting stuff destroyed while you play the game you want to offset a little by learning 'tricks' to avoid getting ganked, or b) gather/trade until you learn and move full into PVP.

If you ask for advice for PVE, you invariable get 'be prepared to lose ships' and don't travel with anything valuable that you are not prepared to lose. Reading between the lines you can join a 'carebear' guild (yes that's what they call pve'rs) but there is a glass ceiling which you van only breach by going pvp.

PVP wise it is superb, and the complexity of the game is wonderful.

I beg to differ

I am huge fan of ELITE (its the original that started all)

And always wanted to play MMO version.

EVE , while not being MMO version of X3 (or elite) is exactly what it should be. And more.

I admit that PVP orientation of EVE is burden. I never understood why the universe has to be in permanent WAR and such state of perpetual hostility.

But in EVE you can avoid all that.

I never had any intention of PVP and yet enjoyed the game imensly.

Its complex , probably most complex game in existance.

You will love it

Gdemami · July 2011

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Absolutely not m8, stay clear. I am also a big x3 fan and had a shot of eve a couple weeks ago, as I loved the idea of playing the role of a wealthy trader/gatherer. However Eve is about PVP. you do trading and gathering to gain ISK, but ulitmately this is only used to either a) cover the continual costs of getting ganked and getting stuff destroyed while you play the game you want to offset a little by learning 'tricks' to avoid getting ganked, or b) gather/trade until you learn and move full into PVP.

Err...no.

@OP:

I am not sure what similarities you seek there.

Sure, you can focus on trading and resource gathering in both games but that is where all similarity ends. Both games have very different game play.

Check the Buddy keys thread to get a 21 day free trial and find out about the game yourself.

Aethaeryn · July 2011

It is the closest thing you can get. . I am actually taking time out from EVE and playing X3 again. I have played EVE off and on for a year or so (total of 4 months maybe) and have only lost 1 ship and that was to NPCs. Soon I will head into nulsec though and expect to get killed a lot. . but I am into the combat.

darker70 · July 2011

When i had 2 subbed accounts to Eve i virtually created a 2nd job for myself especially as i was co-ceo of a mineing production/come mercenary corp,unfortunately we merged with a bigger corp and the big fish little fish scenario came to be and as my corp mates had joined with me or i had recrutted a few our nice little operation got ripped apart.Plus my job took me all over Britian so keeping up with my international buddies was hard especially the guy serving in the USA army at the North Korean Border post.

We became no bodies in this corporate giant so as i drifted away i setup a production company,then a former corp mate set out as a freelance logistics expert adviseing other corps let it never be said Eve does not offer everything !!,but it needs dedication and lot'sof time well it did in those days anyway.

So if u like logistics,mineing,possibily of corp management PVP interstellar trade and that was then,u might want to give it a go,just don't expect to have a life if u really get stuck into it !!!

A quick note regarding noobies,i was crapping myself at first had no idea what to expect so i sidled up to a bloody huge ship,that long ago the name escapes me the dude in the ship asked if i wanted to join a corp.i Usually like to play a game before i commit to joining a guild/corp etc.

When i joined he prompty deposited 1M ISK !!! into my account then i found out i joined a starter corp after if u will graduateing my fellow grads formed our very own Corp,from then on we built and gave ships to corp mates we even had an interest based system which funded the Corp and helped fellow players.So don't worry the community will help and take somebody who shows some get up and go and dedication to Eve as a whole.

Bladestrom · August 2011

old post, but i wanted to retract my statement above, I was wrong simply put PVE is viable you just need to know the rules, and it is better than x3 because the universe feels so much more alive.

aionix · August 2011

Originally posted by Bladestrom
old post, but i wanted to retract my statement above, I was wrong simply put PVE is viable you just need to know the rules, and it is better than x3 because the universe feels so much more alive.

Truly? Hmmm, I did hear about how Incursions added a lot more to the PvE. And I REALLY love a player run economy. It keeps things alive. Well I may have to just get back into it then

fatboy21007 · August 2011

i own all X series games and plan to get rebirth...Also been playing eve for 5 straight years, So id say yes, i think you would enjoy eve. Sum may not like it, But alot do like it, least give its trial and and spend hours a day learning about the game before u decide to buy it :-) (which btw u can play eve for free by making money ingame and buying pilot lisences from the market :-)

Boardwalker · August 2011

Originally posted by Bladestrom
However Eve is about PVP.

I disagree with this. I know plenty of people who play EVE, don't pvp, and enjoy the game very much. You don't have to pvp if you choose not to, and are careful in how you do things (for example, you don't want to be hauling a lot of precious cargo through low sec/null sec systems, or you will get attacked).

I played the original Elite constantly on my old C-64, which led me to X and X2, and then evenutally to EVE. For me, it was a very natural progression from single-player space/trader games to a multi-player environment in the same genre, and I've enjoyed every minute of it.

What EVE does, and does well, is introduce a risk/reward factor into the non-pvp activities that you do, whether that is mining, trading, manufacturing, exploring, etc. If you know the risks, you can avoid them, which in my mind only makes the rewards that much more statisfying.

Bladestrom · August 2011

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Bladestrom
However Eve is about PVP.

I disagree with this. I know plenty of people who play EVE, don't pvp, and enjoy the game very much. You don't have to pvp if you choose not to, and are careful in how you do things (for example, you don't want to be hauling a lot of precious cargo through low sec/null sec systems, or you will get attacked).

I played the original Elite constantly on my old C-64, which led me to X and X2, and then evenutally to EVE. For me, it was a very natural progression from single-player space/trader games to a multi-player environment in the same genre, and I've enjoyed every minute of it.

What EVE does, and does well, is introduce a risk/reward factor into the non-pvp activities that you do, whether that is mining, trading, manufacturing, exploring, etc. If you know the risks, you can avoid them, which in my mind only makes the rewards that much more statisfying.

i bumped this post today to say PVE is viable...

ladyattis · August 2011

Originally posted by Bladestrom

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Bladestrom
However Eve is about PVP.

I disagree with this. I know plenty of people who play EVE, don't pvp, and enjoy the game very much. You don't have to pvp if you choose not to, and are careful in how you do things (for example, you don't want to be hauling a lot of precious cargo through low sec/null sec systems, or you will get attacked).

I played the original Elite constantly on my old C-64, which led me to X and X2, and then evenutally to EVE. For me, it was a very natural progression from single-player space/trader games to a multi-player environment in the same genre, and I've enjoyed every minute of it.

What EVE does, and does well, is introduce a risk/reward factor into the non-pvp activities that you do, whether that is mining, trading, manufacturing, exploring, etc. If you know the risks, you can avoid them, which in my mind only makes the rewards that much more statisfying.

i bumped this post today to say PVE is viable...

Viable doesn't necessarily mean it's fun. I love EVE for depth of some of its PVP (I hate nullsec sovereignty system, I don't know a person who doesn't), but its PVE is as bland as it comes. It's not necessarily worse than WoW in this respect, but it doesn't raise the bar any higher than WoW other than the requirement to understand NPC faction gain/loss. Once you know how to grind the factions, you'll be able to do all the PVE there is in highsec, but the sad thing is that it's not very rewarding (outside of Incursions). And not just from the monetary/material reward part of it. The combat just isn't as fun as it is with PVP in lowsec by comparison.

Malcanis · August 2011

That said, lots of people seem to like it enough to never want to do anything else, so...

cerebrix · August 2011

eve combat is nothing like x3.

if you liked x3, check out black prophecy

owhitham · August 2011

I play PvE in EVE, and I do find it fun. My player interactions are all to do with empire building.

And on a side note here. When it comes to empire building, dont expect it to happen straight away, you will be competing against some Huge corps.

Komandor · August 2011

No, I don't think it is like X3 at all.

Bladestrom · August 2011

Originally posted by ladyattis

Originally posted by Bladestrom

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Bladestrom

However Eve is about PVP.

I disagree with this. I know plenty of people who play EVE, don't pvp, and enjoy the game very much. You don't have to pvp if you choose not to, and are careful in how you do things (for example, you don't want to be hauling a lot of precious cargo through low sec/null sec systems, or you will get attacked).

I played the original Elite constantly on my old C-64, which led me to X and X2, and then evenutally to EVE. For me, it was a very natural progression from single-player space/trader games to a multi-player environment in the same genre, and I've enjoyed every minute of it.

What EVE does, and does well, is introduce a risk/reward factor into the non-pvp activities that you do, whether that is mining, trading, manufacturing, exploring, etc. If you know the risks, you can avoid them, which in my mind only makes the rewards that much more statisfying.

i bumped this post today to say PVE is viable...

Viable doesn't necessarily mean it's fun. I love EVE for depth of some of its PVP (I hate nullsec sovereignty system, I don't know a person who doesn't), but its PVE is as bland as it comes. It's not necessarily worse than WoW in this respect, but it doesn't raise the bar any higher than WoW other than the requirement to understand NPC faction gain/loss. Once you know how to grind the factions, you'll be able to do all the PVE there is in highsec, but the sad thing is that it's not very rewarding (outside of Incursions). And not just from the monetary/material reward part of it. The combat just isn't as fun as it is with PVP in lowsec by comparison.

I enjoy x3 from the perspective of building a corporate empire, and I am enjoying the learning the complexity of eve PVE and how to build a career in a very mature community, And there is pvp and danger zones to back everything up if i want some excitement. For example as a total noob im planning ahead and researching covert strategies and how to combine ships for certain activities, then I am planning my skill routes, looking at planets, making money from plans, yet more skill stuff, builds for running through null sec zones,archeology, tanking, dps racing on the complexes - all this stuff you know ofc, but to a jaded mmorger all this complexity is so refreshing

Boardwalker · August 2011

Originally posted by Bladestrom

I enjoy x3 from the perspective of building a corporate empire, and I am enjoying the learning the complexity of eve PVE and how to build a career in a very mature community, And there is pvp and danger zones to back everything up if i want some excitement. For example as a total noob im planning ahead and researching covert strategies and how to combine ships for certain activities, then I am planning my skill routes, looking at planets, making money from plans, yet more skill stuff, builds for running through null sec zones,archeology, tanking, dps racing on the complexes - all this stuff you know ofc, but to a jaded mmorger all this complexity is so refreshing

Well said, Blade. I think alot of experienced EVE players don't appreciate how vast, and complex, this game is to new players. The learning curve was one of the main reasons that I was drawn to and keep playing the game. And even when you've played this game for a long time, most likely there are still things you haven't tried ingame.

To me, PvE in EVE is both viable and fun. I've never found it boring, and after a hard day at work, kicking back with some mission running, exploring, ratting, trading, etc. is exactly what I'm looking for.

Bladestrom · August 2011

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Bladestrom

I enjoy x3 from the perspective of building a corporate empire, and I am enjoying the learning the complexity of eve PVE and how to build a career in a very mature community, And there is pvp and danger zones to back everything up if i want some excitement. For example as a total noob im planning ahead and researching covert strategies and how to combine ships for certain activities, then I am planning my skill routes, looking at planets, making money from plans, yet more skill stuff, builds for running through null sec zones,archeology, tanking, dps racing on the complexes - all this stuff you know ofc, but to a jaded mmorger all this complexity is so refreshing

Well said, Blade. I think alot of experienced EVE players don't appreciate how vast, and complex, this game is to new players. The learning curve was one of the main reasons that I was drawn to and keep playing the game. And even when you've played this game for a long time, most likely there are still things you haven't tried ingame.

To me, PvE in EVE is both viable and fun. I've never found it boring, and after a hard day at work, kicking back with some mission running, exploring, ratting, trading, etc. is exactly what I'm looking for.

Autopilot while you chat to the wife or watch a bit of telly is good too :P can't do that when you are on a dps race boss kill lol

aionix · August 2011

Very good replies guys. I like the different perspectives. And I am totally in .

helthros · August 2011

Originally posted by ladyattis

Originally posted by Bladestrom

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by Bladestrom

However Eve is about PVP.

I disagree with this. I know plenty of people who play EVE, don't pvp, and enjoy the game very much. You don't have to pvp if you choose not to, and are careful in how you do things (for example, you don't want to be hauling a lot of precious cargo through low sec/null sec systems, or you will get attacked).

I played the original Elite constantly on my old C-64, which led me to X and X2, and then evenutally to EVE. For me, it was a very natural progression from single-player space/trader games to a multi-player environment in the same genre, and I've enjoyed every minute of it.

What EVE does, and does well, is introduce a risk/reward factor into the non-pvp activities that you do, whether that is mining, trading, manufacturing, exploring, etc. If you know the risks, you can avoid them, which in my mind only makes the rewards that much more statisfying.

i bumped this post today to say PVE is viable...

Viable doesn't necessarily mean it's fun. I love EVE for depth of some of its PVP (I hate nullsec sovereignty system, I don't know a person who doesn't), but its PVE is as bland as it comes. It's not necessarily worse than WoW in this respect, but it doesn't raise the bar any higher than WoW other than the requirement to understand NPC faction gain/loss. Once you know how to grind the factions, you'll be able to do all the PVE there is in highsec, but the sad thing is that it's not very rewarding (outside of Incursions). And not just from the monetary/material reward part of it. The combat just isn't as fun as it is with PVP in lowsec by comparison.

You would be amazed at the sheer amount of people playing the game that never leave high-sec which would beg to differ. Your opinion, while I agree with you to an extent, is just that, an opinion.

Bladestrom · August 2011

Originally posted by aionix
Very good replies guys. I like the different perspectives. And I am totally in .

Nice 1. Best bit of advice i can give as a noobie, is treat it like day 1 in x3, with no manual, and dont try to rush to a particular goal, and swap and change as things appeal rather than trying to hardcore push any particular area. There is a fairly sophisticated set of strategies for each pve activity, the one im looking at now is using covert (cloaked) ships to do the archeology hunts , then bringing in a tanker/dpser ship to the bookmaked point. Whole bucketload of ship/fitting/weapons/defensive tech/ship class bonuses/ strategies go alongside, and that is as far as I have got to date

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/PvE

PvE stands for Player versus Environment or Player versus Enemy. In general, this stands for all player versus NPC play. In Eve Online, this can translate to:

Missions
Storyline Missions, normal,epic missions. Tiered.
COSMOS Missions
Exploration
Deadspace complexes/Wormholes
Empire ratting
Planetery interaction.
Trading
Contract work
Mining/manufacturing/processing
Expeditions

Some activities are part PvE and part PvP, such as:

Empire Mining
Factional Warfare Missions incursions, milita sign up stuff
low sec ratting
low sec mining
low sec complexes

edit added expeditions.

Delovely · August 2011

The above links give a good overview of the activities you could do. Yes, the PvE content might not be as engaging as WoW but that also has to do a little with how the game looks and that its situated in space: The gameplay is just more bland and less inviting

Personally I do a mixture of missioning (Which is about as boring as dailies in WoW^^) , Exploration (In "safe space" but also in hostile areas where you might get killed)

The way the skill system works in EVE is great for you if you'd like to advance and build something but also want to keep some free time to do other things. Your skills vary in how difficult they are to train: Some beginner skills can be fully trained in a little over a week (5 Levels per skill, each level increases in the time you need to wait for it to finish) And training for a certain ship or thing you'd like to use -like a Mining Beam, or better Trading on the market - is often a combination of multiple skills youll have to learn till a certain level

For example, if you - like me- enjoying exploration in hostile areas to have a small chance at interesting items or maybe an industrial specialist who is able to mine alone, use refining but also leading a large group of people you will have to invest patience more than money or having to be online in-game . Its great your skills will still learn when you're offline, so you can happily spend time with friends, family or even go on holiday if you set a long skill

Good luck, and if you need any help (and a small gift of welcoming ISK *wink*) just PM me or tell me your name here

sadeyx · August 2011

isnt X3 a single player only game?

All the differences about the two games and opinions sighted here are pointless really, you just cant compare trading, interacting and competing with NPC's to the experience of doing those activity were other real players are involved.

People dont like Eve because they are forced to interact with players, (cant solo easily) and some people love eve because of exactly that reason.

X3, to me, would never see any length of my time put into it because there is no sense of acheivment, who cares what you manage to do in a single player game where AI are predictable?

DarkPony · August 2011

In my opinion: yes.

Played and loved both for years.

You won't be building a vast empire all by yourself in EVE though

sadeyx · August 2011

Originally posted by DarkPony

You won't be building a vast empire all by yourself in EVE though

Right, because npc opponents are easy and predictable.

You might not build an empire yourself in Eve, but you might build it with 1000 other people though.

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