As for the question As long as its premium content and not something stupid like storage space and potions ill support it.
by premium content i mean new zones, personal stories, classes, races, weapons & skills, dungeons, pvp maps, dynamic world even bosses and stuff like that.
Nothing of that sort. The items in the cash shop will be only for looks, appearance customization or vanity. The idea is that they are not mandatory, that noone should feel like he has to buy from the shop.
Much of the stuff you listed would fall under the latter category. Skills, personal stories, dungeons, that's content that you can't really play the game without. That kind of stuff comes included with the box or with expansions, but not in the cash shop.
Well they can sell full expansions and adventure packs in the cash shop i wouldnt mind paying for that stuff as long as they dont nickle and dime me all the time.
As for cosmetics, everyone brings them up like they mean nothing...
I personally like playing a mmo and getting cosmetic stuff as a reward, putting them in a CS takes content out of the game for me.
I have no doubt that you'll also be able to obtain cosmetic items by just playing the game. However, they do have to earn money to keep making new content and keep the servers running. They need to eat too!
Would you rather have a cash shop with pay 2 win items? Or would you rather have one with purely cosmetic items?
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As for the question As long as its premium content and not something stupid like storage space and potions ill support it.
by premium content i mean new zones, personal stories, classes, races, weapons & skills, dungeons, pvp maps, dynamic world even bosses and stuff like that.
Nothing of that sort. The items in the cash shop will be only for looks, appearance customization or vanity. The idea is that they are not mandatory, that noone should feel like he has to buy from the shop.
Much of the stuff you listed would fall under the latter category. Skills, personal stories, dungeons, that's content that you can't really play the game without. That kind of stuff comes included with the box or with expansions, but not in the cash shop.
Well they can sell full expansions and adventure packs in the cash shop i wouldnt mind paying for that stuff as long as they dont nickle and dime me all the time.
As for cosmetics, everyone brings them up like they mean nothing...
I personally like playing a mmo and getting cosmetic stuff as a reward, putting them in a CS takes content out of the game for me.
I have no doubt that you'll also be able to obtain cosmetic items by just playing the game. However, they do have to earn money to keep making new content and keep the servers running. They need to eat too!
Would you rather have a cash shop with pay 2 win items? Or would you rather have one with purely cosmetic items?
I would rather they develop content that i can buy and play through.
They want to sell cosmetics? add them into a adventure pack that i can play through and obtain those items while im enjoying the game. I dont want to put down 5 bucks for a fucking pair of bunny ears...
This thread kind of put a bad taste in my mouth...
I assumed A-Net was going to pull a GW1 and just offer expansion campaigns, maybe a shop adding in Character slots and some adventure pack content.
I would have been fine with that.
Now you guys are going on and on about cosmetics, dyes, and fucking weapon skins.
I dont want to have to sink ten bucks into the game to make my hammer glow blue...
THis is kind of upsetting, I assumed paying 50 bucks for a box and paying for expansions and adventure packs would be enough. Now i get the feeling that ill be nickle and dimed to death.
This thread kind of put a bad taste in my mouth...
I assumed A-Net was going to pull a GW1 and just offer expansion campaigns, maybe a shop adding in Character slots and some adventure pack content.
I would have been fine with that.
Now you guys are going on and on about cosmetics, dyes, and fucking weapon skins.
I dont want to have to sink ten bucks into the game to make my hammer glow blue...
THis is kind of upsetting, I assumed paying 50 bucks for a box and paying for expansions and adventure packs would be enough. Now i get the feeling that ill be nickle and dimed to death.
The thing is, you don't HAVE to use the itemshop to play the game. People who use it won't have an advantage over people who do. And just to clarify, all they've said is that the shop will have cosmetic items. They said it would be much like GW1. No pay 2 win.
The list I made are just my thoughts about what the micro-transactions will be like. Specific items haven't been confirmed yet. Well.. one exception.. the transmution stones. BUT, these will also be obtainable with ingame currency (karma).
So just to be clear: everything you'll need to play the game will come with the box.
They are still going to make expansions and sell those. These will probably include new dungeons and new content for the game.
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This thread kind of put a bad taste in my mouth...
I assumed A-Net was going to pull a GW1 and just offer expansion campaigns, maybe a shop adding in Character slots and some adventure pack content.
I would have been fine with that.
Now you guys are going on and on about cosmetics, dyes, and fucking weapon skins.
I dont want to have to sink ten bucks into the game to make my hammer glow blue...
THis is kind of upsetting, I assumed paying 50 bucks for a box and paying for expansions and adventure packs would be enough. Now i get the feeling that ill be nickle and dimed to death.
GW1 item shop does have costumes and the like that you have to buy from them. I don't see how any one could get so bent out of shape over it. The items don't give people an edge in game. There are also other armor sets in game that are cool and actually give you bonuses for wearing it.
This thread kind of put a bad taste in my mouth...
I assumed A-Net was going to pull a GW1 and just offer expansion campaigns, maybe a shop adding in Character slots and some adventure pack content.
I would have been fine with that.
Now you guys are going on and on about cosmetics, dyes, and fucking weapon skins.
I dont want to have to sink ten bucks into the game to make my hammer glow blue...
THis is kind of upsetting, I assumed paying 50 bucks for a box and paying for expansions and adventure packs would be enough. Now i get the feeling that ill be nickle and dimed to death.
The thing is, you don't HAVE to use the itemshop to play the game. People who use it won't have an advantage over people who do. And just to clarify, all they've said is that the shop will have cosmetic items. They said it would be much like GW1. No pay 2 win.
The list I made are just my thoughts about what the micro-transactions will be like. Specific items haven't been confirmed yet. Well.. one exception.. the transmution stones. BUT, these will also be obtainable with ingame currency (karma).
So just to be clear: everything you'll need to play the game will come with the box.
They are still going to make expansions and sell those. These will probably include new dungeons and new content for the game.
As long as it stays like GW1s shop im ok with it. once they get stupid and add in a hundred different items and mounts that should be in the game for me to achieve ill just leave.
In a perfect world A-net would be creating expansion campaigns for more money if they need it not putting in stuff in a shop that should be obtainable in game.
As for the question As long as its premium content and not something stupid like storage space and potions ill support it.
by premium content i mean new zones, personal stories, classes, races, weapons & skills, dungeons, pvp maps, dynamic world even bosses and stuff like that.
Nothing of that sort. The items in the cash shop will be only for looks, appearance customization or vanity. The idea is that they are not mandatory, that noone should feel like he has to buy from the shop.
Much of the stuff you listed would fall under the latter category. Skills, personal stories, dungeons, that's content that you can't really play the game without. That kind of stuff comes included with the box or with expansions, but not in the cash shop.
Well they can sell full expansions and adventure packs in the cash shop i wouldnt mind paying for that stuff as long as they dont nickle and dime me all the time.
As for cosmetics, everyone brings them up like they mean nothing...
I personally like playing a mmo and getting cosmetic stuff as a reward, putting them in a CS takes content out of the game for me.
I have no doubt that you'll also be able to obtain cosmetic items by just playing the game. However, they do have to earn money to keep making new content and keep the servers running. They need to eat too!
Would you rather have a cash shop with pay 2 win items? Or would you rather have one with purely cosmetic items?
I would rather they develop content that i can buy and play through.
They want to sell cosmetics? add them into a adventure pack that i can play through and obtain those items while im enjoying the game. I dont want to put down 5 bucks for a fucking pair of bunny ears...
I expect that there will be plenty of cosmetic items available through play and plenty more available through the shop. The shop is part of the business model and they need to put something in there that people will actually want. If it isn't something that gives an edge over another player, then it's fair game.
Content-wise, I would rather see full-blown expansions 6, 8 or 10 months rather than dribs and drabs through the shop. This just creates a scenario where people get divided up because half of them haven't bought that particular dungeon or scenario, so they either can't run it or people are left behind. DDO anyone? At least with full expansions, there's a better chance that people will pick it because it's a complete package and anyone you encounter while in it's zones, has to have it too. With item shop content, many will not get the content purely because they have a bone to pick with RMTs in general.
I don't know about bunny ears, but my kitty ears were a Halloween gift and totally free. Most of my collection of minipets, also free gifts from ArenaNet on the birthdays of my characters. Fun stuff doesn't always have a price tag with ArenaNet.
This thread kind of put a bad taste in my mouth...
I assumed A-Net was going to pull a GW1 and just offer expansion campaigns, maybe a shop adding in Character slots and some adventure pack content.
I would have been fine with that.
Now you guys are going on and on about cosmetics, dyes, and fucking weapon skins.
I dont want to have to sink ten bucks into the game to make my hammer glow blue...
THis is kind of upsetting, I assumed paying 50 bucks for a box and paying for expansions and adventure packs would be enough. Now i get the feeling that ill be nickle and dimed to death.
GW1 item shop does have costumes and the like that you have to buy from them. I don't see how any one could get so bent out of shape over it. The items don't give people an edge in game. There are also other armor sets in game that are cool and actually give you bonuses for wearing it.
I havent logged into my Gw1 account since maybe three months after the last campaign. so i wouldnt know how desperate a-net got once they decided to stop developing real content for gw1
Are people really bitching that they're going to add cosmetic items to the shop? That's the extent of what they're listing, ways to make people prettier, and that's the bitchfest? REALLY? It's an MMO not a pageant, the armors ingame are already extremely detailed and ornate so it's not like everyone's going to be bland and ugly unless they throw money in the cash shop. Transmutation stones just allow you to use the look of one armor with another. For instance, you have one armor set up with the stats you like, but you found armor you think is prettier, it allows you to combine them.
It's all about look. Nothing in there is going to make you better or stronger than anything else, which is precisely what they promised in the first place. And FYI, there are costumes in GW1 as well, and have been for eons now. They're an excellant way to support the game while knowing nothing there is going to make the turf uneven, for you or others. It's B2P, they have to continue making money somewhere and expansions don't exactly happen in a matter of weeks, and that they chose the route of cosmetic crap when they could have easily added items that make you stronger (coughEVEcough) if anything just increases my respect for them.
Don't even know why I'm replying, really. The people complaining are the ones that likely had no intention of playing in the first place, this is just an opportunity to trololol.
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This thread kind of put a bad taste in my mouth...
I assumed A-Net was going to pull a GW1 and just offer expansion campaigns, maybe a shop adding in Character slots and some adventure pack content.
I would have been fine with that.
Now you guys are going on and on about cosmetics, dyes, and fucking weapon skins.
I dont want to have to sink ten bucks into the game to make my hammer glow blue...
THis is kind of upsetting, I assumed paying 50 bucks for a box and paying for expansions and adventure packs would be enough. Now i get the feeling that ill be nickle and dimed to death.
GW1 item shop does have costumes and the like that you have to buy from them. I don't see how any one could get so bent out of shape over it. The items don't give people an edge in game. There are also other armor sets in game that are cool and actually give you bonuses for wearing it.
I havent logged into my Gw1 account since maybe three months after the last campaign. so i wouldnt know how desperate a-net got once they decided to stop developing real content for gw1
We are still talking about costumes. That is the only thing they sell other than expansions and character slots. I don't even see it as a problem if they add Dyes like hot pink and neon green to the item shop. I wont be buying them but if some one else wants to spend the cash it's no matter to me other than making my eyes bleed when their ugly character walks past on my screen.
Gw2 wins everytime against swtor, first guild wars 2 has no monthly fee and second gw2 pvp sounds much more interesting.
swtor will be like wow where they add new raids every few months with new tier armor sets. That's not content in my opinion its rehashing old data and making it look new. wow has been pulling off that trick for years. oh look another raid!
Are people really bitching that they're going to add cosmetic items to the shop? That's the extent of what they're listing, ways to make people prettier, and that's the bitchfest? REALLY? It's an MMO not a pageant, the armors ingame are already extremely detailed and ornate so it's not like everyone's going to be bland and ugly unless they throw money in the cash shop. Transmutation stones just allow you to use the look of one armor with another. For instance, you have one armor set up with the stats you like, but you found armor you think is prettier, it allows you to combine them.
WOAH!!!! Are you telling me i have to pay extra for that instead of A-net just offering a basic cosmetic tab system?!?
It's all about look. Nothing in there is going to make you better or stronger than anything else, which is precisely what they promised in the first place. And FYI, there are costumes in GW1 as well, and have been for eons now. They're an excellant way to support the game while knowing nothing there is going to make the turf uneven, for you or others. It's B2P, they have to continue making money somewhere and expansions don't exactly happen in a matter of weeks, and that they chose the route of cosmetic crap when they could have easily added items that make you stronger (coughEVEcough) if anything just increases my respect for them.
It has nothing to do with balance and everything to do with the content that should be in the game to get said cosmetic item instead of just buying it.
Don't even know why I'm replying, really. The people complaining are the ones that likely had no intention of playing in the first place, this is just an opportunity to trololol.
Oh come on, im not troll. im very much looking forward to the game i just dont like all this cheap CS talk. makes the game feel like a cheap f2p mmo when in reality its a Buy to play game. I dont like feeling like im going to be nickle and dimed as if i didnt pay for a game box.
Personal preference is Id rather pay 15 bucks a month and not have to think about any in game RMT at all. But b2p +fluff cash shop is no biggie. It'll probably bring in more money than 15 a month anyway. You'll have some people averaging a dollar a month and some averaging 30+. It all balances out. Plus I dont really get why a fluff shop is considered "earning your money" like Colin said as opposed to paying 15 bucks a month and getting patch content on a regular basis. They are both offering a service for a fee imo.
Personal preference is Id rather pay 15 bucks a month and not have to think about any in game RMT at all. But b2p +fluff cash shop is no biggie. It'll probably bring in more money than 15 a month anyway. You'll have some people averaging a dollar a month and some averaging 30+. It all balances out. Plus I dont really get why a fluff shop is considered "earning your money" like Colin said as opposed to paying 15 bucks a month and getting patch content on a regular basis. They are both offering a service for a fee imo.
You'll get patch content as well as expansions and as well as the In-Game Store. It's not an either/or situation with Arenanet. Sorrows Furnace and the Domain of Anguish both hit later than Prophecies and Nightfall respectively, but were free andI really can't see Arenanet releasing Cantha and Elona as anything but expansions.
Eh, cosmetic fluff is cosmetic fluff and pretty much all MMOs have that available in In-Game Stores. Even WoW, with its millions of subscribers, still offers a selection of pets and mounts for purchase.
For the record, transmutation stones are in the store... and in the game through karma vendors. I'm seeing a little confusion on that front.
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Are people really bitching that they're going to add cosmetic items to the shop? ...
Don't even know why I'm replying, really. The people complaining are the ones that likely had no intention of playing in the first place, this is just an opportunity to trololol.
You should know by now, people will complain and bitch about anything, no matter the reasoning.
If someone said they were getting free ice cream, the person getting it would complain because it's not the flavor they liked the best.
Personal preference is Id rather pay 15 bucks a month and not have to think about any in game RMT at all. But b2p +fluff cash shop is no biggie. It'll probably bring in more money than 15 a month anyway. You'll have some people averaging a dollar a month and some averaging 30+. It all balances out. Plus I dont really get why a fluff shop is considered "earning your money" like Colin said as opposed to paying 15 bucks a month and getting patch content on a regular basis. They are both offering a service for a fee imo.
Isn't EVE now putting in an RMT shop in addition to it's subscription? WoW has had an RMT shop for a while on top of it's box price. DDO, the shining jewel of the F2P world holds a lot back in it's shop that subscribers have to pay for separately. The trend seems to be that subscription no longer means access to everything in the game. There will always be extra things on top of your sub that you will have to pay for if you want them. The question is, how onerous will that be and is a subscription really worth it? With GW2, there is no monthly fee so half that question is already non-applicable.
As for earning your money, if what they put for up for sale is crap, no one will buy it because it's purely optional. They have to make sure that what is there is enticing enough to have you part with your money, so that means working for it. If everyone is paying a sub, whether you want what they make or not is irrelevant, you're going to be paying for it anyway. It's just that someone else, someone who is interested, gets the goodies.
Originally posted by Unlight Originally posted by Foomerang Personal preference is Id rather pay 15 bucks a month and not have to think about any in game RMT at all. But b2p +fluff cash shop is no biggie. It'll probably bring in more money than 15 a month anyway. You'll have some people averaging a dollar a month and some averaging 30+. It all balances out. Plus I dont really get why a fluff shop is considered "earning your money" like Colin said as opposed to paying 15 bucks a month and getting patch content on a regular basis. They are both offering a service for a fee imo.
Isn't EVE now putting in an RMT shop in addition to it's subscription? WoW has had an RMT shop for a while on top of it's box price. DDO, the shining jewel of the F2P world holds a lot back in it's shop that subscribers have to pay for separately. The trend seems to be that subscription no longer means access to everything in the game. There will always be extra things on top of your sub that you will have to pay for if you want them. The question is, how onerous will that be and is a subscription really worth it? With GW2, there is no monthly fee so half that question is already non-applicable. As for earning your money, if what they put for up for sale is crap, no one will buy it because it's purely optional. They have to make sure that what is there is enticing enough to have you part with your money, so that means working for it. If everyone is paying a sub, whether you want what they make or not is irrelevant, you're going to be paying for it anyway. It's just that someone else, someone who is interested, gets the goodies. True. Still id rather just pay 15 bucks a month and be done with it. Theres plenty of games that do this without cash shops tacked on.
Personal preference is Id rather pay 15 bucks a month and not have to think about any in game RMT at all. But b2p +fluff cash shop is no biggie. It'll probably bring in more money than 15 a month anyway. You'll have some people averaging a dollar a month and some averaging 30+. It all balances out. Plus I dont really get why a fluff shop is considered "earning your money" like Colin said as opposed to paying 15 bucks a month and getting patch content on a regular basis. They are both offering a service for a fee imo.
Isn't EVE now putting in an RMT shop in addition to it's subscription? WoW has had an RMT shop for a while on top of it's box price. DDO, the shining jewel of the F2P world holds a lot back in it's shop that subscribers have to pay for separately. The trend seems to be that subscription no longer means access to everything in the game. There will always be extra things on top of your sub that you will have to pay for if you want them. The question is, how onerous will that be and is a subscription really worth it? With GW2, there is no monthly fee so half that question is already non-applicable.
As for earning your money, if what they put for up for sale is crap, no one will buy it because it's purely optional. They have to make sure that what is there is enticing enough to have you part with your money, so that means working for it. If everyone is paying a sub, whether you want what they make or not is irrelevant, you're going to be paying for it anyway. It's just that someone else, someone who is interested, gets the goodies.
True. Still id rather just pay 15 bucks a month and be done with it. Theres plenty of games that do this without cash shops tacked on.
I prefer not paying a monthly fee. By having no subscription, you're not really 'forced' to play the game. You're not wasting any money while not playing it. Unlike games with a subscription fee still require you to pay for the game, even when you're not playing it. Due to the fact that it doesn't require a monthly subscription fee, you can also pick up another MMO that does require one.
The micro-transactions are optional, you don't need them in order to play the game, so if you don't want to pay, you don't have to.
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Personal preference is Id rather pay 15 bucks a month and not have to think about any in game RMT at all. But b2p +fluff cash shop is no biggie. It'll probably bring in more money than 15 a month anyway. You'll have some people averaging a dollar a month and some averaging 30+. It all balances out. Plus I dont really get why a fluff shop is considered "earning your money" like Colin said as opposed to paying 15 bucks a month and getting patch content on a regular basis. They are both offering a service for a fee imo.
Isn't EVE now putting in an RMT shop in addition to it's subscription? WoW has had an RMT shop for a while on top of it's box price. DDO, the shining jewel of the F2P world holds a lot back in it's shop that subscribers have to pay for separately. The trend seems to be that subscription no longer means access to everything in the game. There will always be extra things on top of your sub that you will have to pay for if you want them. The question is, how onerous will that be and is a subscription really worth it? With GW2, there is no monthly fee so half that question is already non-applicable.
As for earning your money, if what they put for up for sale is crap, no one will buy it because it's purely optional. They have to make sure that what is there is enticing enough to have you part with your money, so that means working for it. If everyone is paying a sub, whether you want what they make or not is irrelevant, you're going to be paying for it anyway. It's just that someone else, someone who is interested, gets the goodies.
True. Still id rather just pay 15 bucks a month and be done with it. Theres plenty of games that do this without cash shops tacked on.
Most games have a cash shop now even if they are subscription based. I'd rather not pay a sub and let the people that want to cosplay drop their cash in the cash shop.
Personal preference is Id rather pay 15 bucks a month and not have to think about any in game RMT at all. But b2p +fluff cash shop is no biggie. It'll probably bring in more money than 15 a month anyway. You'll have some people averaging a dollar a month and some averaging 30+. It all balances out. Plus I dont really get why a fluff shop is considered "earning your money" like Colin said as opposed to paying 15 bucks a month and getting patch content on a regular basis. They are both offering a service for a fee imo.
Isn't EVE now putting in an RMT shop in addition to it's subscription? WoW has had an RMT shop for a while on top of it's box price. DDO, the shining jewel of the F2P world holds a lot back in it's shop that subscribers have to pay for separately. The trend seems to be that subscription no longer means access to everything in the game. There will always be extra things on top of your sub that you will have to pay for if you want them. The question is, how onerous will that be and is a subscription really worth it? With GW2, there is no monthly fee so half that question is already non-applicable.
As for earning your money, if what they put for up for sale is crap, no one will buy it because it's purely optional. They have to make sure that what is there is enticing enough to have you part with your money, so that means working for it. If everyone is paying a sub, whether you want what they make or not is irrelevant, you're going to be paying for it anyway. It's just that someone else, someone who is interested, gets the goodies.
True. Still id rather just pay 15 bucks a month and be done with it. Theres plenty of games that do this without cash shops tacked on.
I can see your point and although I do prefer B2P with an RMT, it wouldn't stop me from subscribing to a game again if I thought the quality was there. What would stop me is subscription *and* RMT. If I'm paying for the privilege every month, I want all that the game offers since I'm funding the development, after all.
Sadly, WoW has proven that the sub/RMT model works and others are following suit. The days of getting all that you pay for from subscriptions are numbered and every game will have some sort of RMT eventually. However, some will be slimier and more overbearing than others.
if the shop has something i want then yes il pay, but i only would do that like i did with the previous guild wars games is if i enjoy and see myself playing it for extended periods of time. Which i think is a no brainer for GW2 but the best thing about that video is -' We do not see ourselves as direct competition to WoW', this of which i find very genuine and nice to see from game developers, so they dont seem like a corporate fiend saying, you stick with us or your a no body, they are saying you can have the best of both worlds, but my world wont be that of warcraft :P like what i did there ? :P
To the people who say MMO's aren't a fashion show or are'nt about looks, then why do people even get cool looking weapons, armors, mounts?
What was the purpose of 15k prestiege armor sets in Guild Wars 1, when you could get uglier AND much cheaper sets that gave the same def and stats? Why did people farm for hours to find MAX damage rare weapons like the chaos axe, storm bow, fire dragon sword when they could just go to an NPC and get a generic looking weapon for cheap?
Costumes were added to GW1 AFTER the game died, 1 year after Eye of the North came out. It was supposedly a way to pay the bills.
I agree with the people who said they pay $60 for the game. If Anet really does go full out microtransactionz, they should stop pretending to be the white knights of the MMO world as cash shop is just an alternative to charging a monthly fee. Except that most of the time, you don't pay for the game/expansions when there's a cash shop.
To the people who say MMO's aren't a fashion show or are'nt about looks, then why do people even get cool looking weapons, armors, mounts?
What was the purpose of 15k prestiege armor sets in Guild Wars 1, when you could get uglier AND much cheaper sets that gave the same def and stats? Why did people farm for hours to find MAX damage rare weapons like the chaos axe, storm bow, fire dragon sword when they could just go to an NPC and get a generic looking weapon for cheap?
Costumes were added to GW1 AFTER the game died, 1 year after Eye of the North came out. It was supposedly a way to pay the bills.
I agree with the people who said they pay $60 for the game. If Anet really does go full out microtransactionz, they should stop pretending to be the white knights of the MMO world as cash shop is just an alternative to charging a monthly fee. Except that most of the time, you don't pay for the game/expansions when there's a cash shop.
I agree with you to a certain extent. I haven't bought anything from the GW 1 shop (costumes, skill packs, etc...) but that's only because I don't want to look that way (costumes) or need the skills (already have most and can get the rest easy). Now, my wife, on the other hand, does like the costumes and that's what she gets. Is this a game-breaker? No, for us it's not.
Still, if GW 2 does expand it's shop for more then just cosmetic items to include XP potions and the like...then I'll be highly disappointed. And I won't be alone. You see, most people don't mind cash shops if what they sell is cosmetic. And by the way, since when is it wrong for a company to make money off of a game they created and are providing? So what if it's a supplement to game sales? As long as people are happy with the content and items that are provided then we can't fault them for wanting something in return. Again, I reiterate, non-cosmetic items intended to make game play easier (I'm looking at you consumables) that are available for RMT will not make fans of the GW franchise happy.
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I have no doubt that you'll also be able to obtain cosmetic items by just playing the game. However, they do have to earn money to keep making new content and keep the servers running. They need to eat too!
Would you rather have a cash shop with pay 2 win items? Or would you rather have one with purely cosmetic items?
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I would rather they develop content that i can buy and play through.
They want to sell cosmetics? add them into a adventure pack that i can play through and obtain those items while im enjoying the game. I dont want to put down 5 bucks for a fucking pair of bunny ears...
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
This thread kind of put a bad taste in my mouth...
I assumed A-Net was going to pull a GW1 and just offer expansion campaigns, maybe a shop adding in Character slots and some adventure pack content.
I would have been fine with that.
Now you guys are going on and on about cosmetics, dyes, and fucking weapon skins.
I dont want to have to sink ten bucks into the game to make my hammer glow blue...
THis is kind of upsetting, I assumed paying 50 bucks for a box and paying for expansions and adventure packs would be enough. Now i get the feeling that ill be nickle and dimed to death.
Playing: Nothing
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The thing is, you don't HAVE to use the itemshop to play the game. People who use it won't have an advantage over people who do. And just to clarify, all they've said is that the shop will have cosmetic items. They said it would be much like GW1. No pay 2 win.
The list I made are just my thoughts about what the micro-transactions will be like. Specific items haven't been confirmed yet. Well.. one exception.. the transmution stones. BUT, these will also be obtainable with ingame currency (karma).
So just to be clear: everything you'll need to play the game will come with the box.
They are still going to make expansions and sell those. These will probably include new dungeons and new content for the game.
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GW1 item shop does have costumes and the like that you have to buy from them. I don't see how any one could get so bent out of shape over it. The items don't give people an edge in game. There are also other armor sets in game that are cool and actually give you bonuses for wearing it.
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As long as it stays like GW1s shop im ok with it. once they get stupid and add in a hundred different items and mounts that should be in the game for me to achieve ill just leave.
In a perfect world A-net would be creating expansion campaigns for more money if they need it not putting in stuff in a shop that should be obtainable in game.
ehh we will see how it all works out.
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I expect that there will be plenty of cosmetic items available through play and plenty more available through the shop. The shop is part of the business model and they need to put something in there that people will actually want. If it isn't something that gives an edge over another player, then it's fair game.
Content-wise, I would rather see full-blown expansions 6, 8 or 10 months rather than dribs and drabs through the shop. This just creates a scenario where people get divided up because half of them haven't bought that particular dungeon or scenario, so they either can't run it or people are left behind. DDO anyone? At least with full expansions, there's a better chance that people will pick it because it's a complete package and anyone you encounter while in it's zones, has to have it too. With item shop content, many will not get the content purely because they have a bone to pick with RMTs in general.
I don't know about bunny ears, but my kitty ears were a Halloween gift and totally free. Most of my collection of minipets, also free gifts from ArenaNet on the birthdays of my characters. Fun stuff doesn't always have a price tag with ArenaNet.
I havent logged into my Gw1 account since maybe three months after the last campaign. so i wouldnt know how desperate a-net got once they decided to stop developing real content for gw1
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Are people really bitching that they're going to add cosmetic items to the shop? That's the extent of what they're listing, ways to make people prettier, and that's the bitchfest? REALLY? It's an MMO not a pageant, the armors ingame are already extremely detailed and ornate so it's not like everyone's going to be bland and ugly unless they throw money in the cash shop. Transmutation stones just allow you to use the look of one armor with another. For instance, you have one armor set up with the stats you like, but you found armor you think is prettier, it allows you to combine them.
It's all about look. Nothing in there is going to make you better or stronger than anything else, which is precisely what they promised in the first place. And FYI, there are costumes in GW1 as well, and have been for eons now. They're an excellant way to support the game while knowing nothing there is going to make the turf uneven, for you or others. It's B2P, they have to continue making money somewhere and expansions don't exactly happen in a matter of weeks, and that they chose the route of cosmetic crap when they could have easily added items that make you stronger (coughEVEcough) if anything just increases my respect for them.
Don't even know why I'm replying, really. The people complaining are the ones that likely had no intention of playing in the first place, this is just an opportunity to trololol.
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We are still talking about costumes. That is the only thing they sell other than expansions and character slots. I don't even see it as a problem if they add Dyes like hot pink and neon green to the item shop. I wont be buying them but if some one else wants to spend the cash it's no matter to me other than making my eyes bleed when their ugly character walks past on my screen.
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Gw2 wins everytime against swtor, first guild wars 2 has no monthly fee and second gw2 pvp sounds much more interesting.
swtor will be like wow where they add new raids every few months with new tier armor sets. That's not content in my opinion its rehashing old data and making it look new. wow has been pulling off that trick for years. oh look another raid!
This is what i want.
Instead of selling me bunny ears of doom for 5 bucks off the CS.
I want them to sell me an adventure pack or event pack that rewards me with the bunny ears of boom.
I want to play the game not just sink money into a shop and get an item..
Does that make sense?
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Personal preference is Id rather pay 15 bucks a month and not have to think about any in game RMT at all. But b2p +fluff cash shop is no biggie. It'll probably bring in more money than 15 a month anyway. You'll have some people averaging a dollar a month and some averaging 30+. It all balances out. Plus I dont really get why a fluff shop is considered "earning your money" like Colin said as opposed to paying 15 bucks a month and getting patch content on a regular basis. They are both offering a service for a fee imo.
You'll get patch content as well as expansions and as well as the In-Game Store. It's not an either/or situation with Arenanet. Sorrows Furnace and the Domain of Anguish both hit later than Prophecies and Nightfall respectively, but were free andI really can't see Arenanet releasing Cantha and Elona as anything but expansions.
Eh, cosmetic fluff is cosmetic fluff and pretty much all MMOs have that available in In-Game Stores. Even WoW, with its millions of subscribers, still offers a selection of pets and mounts for purchase.
For the record, transmutation stones are in the store... and in the game through karma vendors. I'm seeing a little confusion on that front.
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You should know by now, people will complain and bitch about anything, no matter the reasoning.
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Isn't EVE now putting in an RMT shop in addition to it's subscription? WoW has had an RMT shop for a while on top of it's box price. DDO, the shining jewel of the F2P world holds a lot back in it's shop that subscribers have to pay for separately. The trend seems to be that subscription no longer means access to everything in the game. There will always be extra things on top of your sub that you will have to pay for if you want them. The question is, how onerous will that be and is a subscription really worth it? With GW2, there is no monthly fee so half that question is already non-applicable.
As for earning your money, if what they put for up for sale is crap, no one will buy it because it's purely optional. They have to make sure that what is there is enticing enough to have you part with your money, so that means working for it. If everyone is paying a sub, whether you want what they make or not is irrelevant, you're going to be paying for it anyway. It's just that someone else, someone who is interested, gets the goodies.
As for earning your money, if what they put for up for sale is crap, no one will buy it because it's purely optional. They have to make sure that what is there is enticing enough to have you part with your money, so that means working for it. If everyone is paying a sub, whether you want what they make or not is irrelevant, you're going to be paying for it anyway. It's just that someone else, someone who is interested, gets the goodies.
True. Still id rather just pay 15 bucks a month and be done with it. Theres plenty of games that do this without cash shops tacked on.
I prefer not paying a monthly fee. By having no subscription, you're not really 'forced' to play the game. You're not wasting any money while not playing it. Unlike games with a subscription fee still require you to pay for the game, even when you're not playing it. Due to the fact that it doesn't require a monthly subscription fee, you can also pick up another MMO that does require one.
The micro-transactions are optional, you don't need them in order to play the game, so if you don't want to pay, you don't have to.
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Most games have a cash shop now even if they are subscription based. I'd rather not pay a sub and let the people that want to cosplay drop their cash in the cash shop.
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I can see your point and although I do prefer B2P with an RMT, it wouldn't stop me from subscribing to a game again if I thought the quality was there. What would stop me is subscription *and* RMT. If I'm paying for the privilege every month, I want all that the game offers since I'm funding the development, after all.
Sadly, WoW has proven that the sub/RMT model works and others are following suit. The days of getting all that you pay for from subscriptions are numbered and every game will have some sort of RMT eventually. However, some will be slimier and more overbearing than others.
if the shop has something i want then yes il pay, but i only would do that like i did with the previous guild wars games is if i enjoy and see myself playing it for extended periods of time. Which i think is a no brainer for GW2 but the best thing about that video is -' We do not see ourselves as direct competition to WoW', this of which i find very genuine and nice to see from game developers, so they dont seem like a corporate fiend saying, you stick with us or your a no body, they are saying you can have the best of both worlds, but my world wont be that of warcraft :P like what i did there ? :P
To the people who say MMO's aren't a fashion show or are'nt about looks, then why do people even get cool looking weapons, armors, mounts?
What was the purpose of 15k prestiege armor sets in Guild Wars 1, when you could get uglier AND much cheaper sets that gave the same def and stats? Why did people farm for hours to find MAX damage rare weapons like the chaos axe, storm bow, fire dragon sword when they could just go to an NPC and get a generic looking weapon for cheap?
Costumes were added to GW1 AFTER the game died, 1 year after Eye of the North came out. It was supposedly a way to pay the bills.
I agree with the people who said they pay $60 for the game. If Anet really does go full out microtransactionz, they should stop pretending to be the white knights of the MMO world as cash shop is just an alternative to charging a monthly fee. Except that most of the time, you don't pay for the game/expansions when there's a cash shop.
I agree with you to a certain extent. I haven't bought anything from the GW 1 shop (costumes, skill packs, etc...) but that's only because I don't want to look that way (costumes) or need the skills (already have most and can get the rest easy). Now, my wife, on the other hand, does like the costumes and that's what she gets. Is this a game-breaker? No, for us it's not.
Still, if GW 2 does expand it's shop for more then just cosmetic items to include XP potions and the like...then I'll be highly disappointed. And I won't be alone. You see, most people don't mind cash shops if what they sell is cosmetic. And by the way, since when is it wrong for a company to make money off of a game they created and are providing? So what if it's a supplement to game sales? As long as people are happy with the content and items that are provided then we can't fault them for wanting something in return. Again, I reiterate, non-cosmetic items intended to make game play easier (I'm looking at you consumables) that are available for RMT will not make fans of the GW franchise happy.
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This method is the best in my opinion, it is more like a donation system to keep the system going and gives you t-shirt/mug like prizes in exchange