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But.. what if the NPC was programmed by a penis owner?
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Personally, I find all this fascinating (Ergo, a penis dressing up as a vagina and not wanting to romance penis, but vagina, and yet wanting vagina IRL to romance his penis and being annoyed if said IRL vagina didn't want his penis.. and probably Truly annoyed if said vagina was actually penis dressed up as vagina)
I think they should allow for any kind of 'flirting'.. or 'romancing' in-game. If they're going to put it in-game, then they shouldn't -blockade- certain types
Hell, to be frank, I think we are ALL missing the big picture... I think you should be able to "romance" other races and even robots.
I mean, if you want your character to be a deranged bot-lover so what?
This is all mostly BS IMHO anyways. As long as its just very minor 'flirt' chat options and not something integral to the game then it doesn't mean much. Choose a same-sex 'companion' and make your own same-sex slave relationship.
It is a bit annoying that a developer/employee said something like that, though. They should have just STFU about it because now they have to either tow the line or go back on what they said. IMHO they just just should say "Fine, EFF ya'll, we're yanking all 'romantic' aspects at all.'
I mean.. are you REALLY going to make a decision on this game based on what they decide is appropriate NPC sexual conversation choices for this venue? Really?
By the by, my 6 yr old daugter will be playing this game with us... or at least watching us play. Personally, *I* dont want sexuality involved. I Certainly don't want it to be integral and necessary or almost necessary (see- Dragon Age) and I DEfinately don't want to have to explain homo vs. hetero to he because of some flipping nuthead i am grouped with who loves the homo chat options.
food for thought.
This is correct. This is not a Bioware thing or Lucas Arts or EA being too conservative. They are seeking a certain ESRB rating and in the USA, as wrong as it may be or seem, same sex relationships require a higher rating. Not to get into a political debate but blame our nation, which is more concerned about same sex relations than serial killers and the fact our country is going, or gone, broke!!!
Lame, yes but a reality for Bioware if they want a rating they need to sell more boxes.
That's funny. I thought they just wanted to be equally represented in the world and have the same options as their heterosexual friends. A straight person can RP a relationship in a game if they WANT to....I think the gay people are just asking to have the same OPTION. I don't think that's "whining," and for proclaiming you have "gay friends"....you seem pretty prejudicial.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
their game... their world (or actually LA but you get the point) their rules...
Could not care less actually. And if you now absolutly have to make your smuggler a lavender cowboy... Just pretend it is a act and you have to hide your true feelings or risk persecution from the state... Should be a pretty familiar scenario already.
But i guess it is nice to have something to be outraged about that has no real risk of blowing up in your face... So go on and have fun you little rascals.
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According to what I read and saw they are pretty apparent. I.E. it happens in casual conversation just like it would in Dragon Age 1 or 2, Mass Effect, etc. I for one don't want hit on by someone that's gay. I don't hang out where I can be hit on IRL by gays I shouldn't have to experience that in a game that I play to escape from RL. I realize gays love it, gays think everyone else should love it too, but I don't like it. I'm old fashioned. I don't hate gays, I just don't appreciate "gay content" if you catch my drift.
Banegrivm
Leader of the 1st Fist of Light
www.1stfistoflight.com
This is grim news actually. Not so much that I'll be terribly put out by it personally because I wasn't going to be playing anyway. Moreso it shows that Bioware is being pressured to alter the game according to someone else's ideological agenda -- one that they clearly do not share. As if I needed another reason to depise the two-bit hack that Lucas has become.
I can understand them not flaunting same sex relationships by having two high profile NPCs in the game, doing the bumpy-bumpy in the cargo bay, but disallowing players to follow a certain relationship path if they chose to do so, is sad indeed.
lol not really ..ive played games for years and i have kids ,, i may be a lil prejudical by thinking being gay is wrong but being in america i can have that opinion,, again i know alot gay people so its not like i hate or dispise them, in fact the oppisite, they are good friends that would do anything for anyone if they are able to. being a gamer and avid mmo'er i dont think i ever seen people playing these games to enhance thier romance life. the fact is that it shouldnt be a big deal that its not in a game
Why do we need relationships with NPC's in the game anyway? Allow real players to get married in game to whomever. I think these kind of story arcs are a waste of time. Improve the game in other areas.
More options that are being taken away from playings...
While most people might not care, it's still the principle of it. For a game that keeps touting the fact that you get to choose your way through the adventures of your character, they seem to be adding more and more limitations to the choices you can make. Really, it's more so the principle of the whole thing. If they're going to add romance storylines as part of the game's content, then they should do their best to not half-ass it... and in part of that means offering enough legitimate and reasonable options to players. And yes, that means giving players a few same-sex relationship options.
Bioware games: RPGs where you can shape your characters story however you want... so long as what you want falls into Bioware's narrow scope of pre-defined options.
i totally 100% agree with this
...Which is why they should just remove all 'romance' aspects, period.
A gay person could argue they don't want to deal with those 'hetero' issues either and, to be fair, you would at LEAST have to intellectually accept the argument and deal with it.
The 'too young' argument is a bit sexist because it assumes lil kids can 'handle' hetero romance but not homo.
Why the guy who said there would be no homo content said that on record is -way-beyond me. I hope he is long fired. They could have just not included homo options and been silent about it, but now its kinda an 'issue'.
I haven't seen anyone "outraged" in this thread. I've seen a few very concise attempts to side with diversity. That's about it.
I do agree with you that it's LA's game and their rules. If you want to play....you play within their framework. However, I certainly respect anyone's right to stand up for what they think or believe.....regardless of how I see things.....as long as I'm given the same respect. Nothing wrong with differing views.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
agreed x 2.
Let players act hetero or homo if they want on their own time.
Hell, even allow functionality for them to do so (declare mates, marry, have player/player romance options)
but leave NPC romance out. who wants to romance a script made by god-knows-who anyways?
Relationships in a game?
A very weird and alien concept to me. I totally don't care about whether or not gay people can get married in a Star Wars game (say it to yourself outloud), but that being said, I think relationships in games are an utter waste of development time and effort.
errm so if i decide to play a gay jedi i'l be banned from the server?
yes yes i know you'r talking of something else, but that's the point
the problem is not having let out same sex relationships per se, is the fact that they introduced sex relationship as a game feature imo.
Oh to stop the "puritan" accusations i'll clarify a bit more, do i realy need a dev to put sex relationship with NPCs in a MMO(rpg)?that's stuff for single player games, in a MMO(rpg) if i really need the itch to have some sexual relationship (and i still prefer the RL ones tbh) i'd like to have it roleplayin with another player not with a scripted bot.
but yes introducing pixel sex relationships was a bad decision, and given they took it , keepin same sex ones out of it was another one
cya
This is Bioware's first MMO, so it doesn't surprise me at all that they avoided that issue even if they've pursued it in single player games. Besides, as others have pointed out it's probably not entirely Bioware's decision. Even if it was, I wouldn't blame them for avoiding that potential landmine. I know I would, given the choice.
Imagine that homosexual relationships were possible and you were going about with a companion character who is the same sex as your character. How long do you think it would take before the suggestive comments and even slurs started flying around? They had alread described the PvP sniping as "horrific". I don't want to begin to imagine how quickly this could devolve.
So, yeah, I can totally see them wanting to let some other game/developer take that plunge to see how it turns.
I bet it was lucas arts decission. it's their IP they get to decide what they want i suppose.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
it was mostly like this =P... But i have seen both sides being outraged over this in my trek across the net... On one hand the homosexual crowd shouts "Unfair..... like so unfair." and on the other hand the conservative hetrosexual crowd goes like that... "Stop yelling... we don't want that kind of stuff in the game any way."
But now it is at least a know fact far enough before release that people can cancel their pre-orders if they like... And that is kinda fair i think.
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I don't see what that has to do with someones gender. If it's two people hugging or kissing on the screen, then your daughter should be able to understand that, because she can see that any time on the street as well, everywhere. And you can tell her that the two persons love each other.
And if two people have sex on the screen, then it's obviously not a game you should let your daughter watch.
What gender the people has is irrelevant for that matter.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
Wow man, I have never thought about it that way. You made some *REALLY* good points. Oh and Just1opinion, totally agree with you about the way people are acting here. The thread on the Bioware forums is just insane. All sorts of insanity over there.
Banegrivm
Leader of the 1st Fist of Light
www.1stfistoflight.com
Worry not ladies and gentlemen, you can still cybor erp with the same sex! Something that Lucas, EA or ESRB cant touch ^_^
...no...? ;p
Don't paint us as if we were weird clingy weirdos into weird kinky stuff and on the verge of raping you. FFS.
Two points:
1. For those who hold up canon allow me to point out there is nothing in Star Wars canon for ANY character a player may make. So the argument that this is a canon issue is silly.
2. Really? NPC romances in an MMO? The fact that they're willing to focus this much on the interaction between players and NPC's in a game genre whose single most important defining characteristic is interaction amongst players, bothers me more than restrictions on those relationships. In a massively multiplayer game shared with thousands of other real people why would I care about my char's relationship with NPC's and more worrying, what is Bioware going to do to the game to make me care?
Personally I'm on neither side. I just think that it's hippocritical to deny what should be reaonable options to pursue in a game that keeps being marketed on the fact that you get to choose how your character evolves. Either both sides of romance should have options available, or romance storylines should be removed from the game.
Personally I think NPC romance options shouldn't be in game. It leads things down a dangerous path... to which this issue is part of. If players want romance in their MMO, they can RP with other players. This whole NPC romance thing is one big can of worms that Bioware is opening up, additionally because they're not wholey representing the reasonable spectrum of romance choices.
Are we talking players or npcs here? In Dragon Age and Mass Effect you could have a relationship with one of your companions. I dont remember that this was forced. To get to that point you had to chose the obvious flirty remarks in your dialogue I think.
If SWTOR offers a similar way of getting a relationship with your companions, then I dont understand what the big deal is. It wouldnt be forced in anyway, So same gender relationships shouldnt be an issue either. I think that this is a step back, because their other games offer same sex relationships with npcs. But its possible that LA or EA just didnt want it.
EDIT: I agree with others that it might be better to get rid of all romantic interactions with npcs then.