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Blizzard to Fans: Upgrade the wiring in your house!
ThomasN7
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Oh boy as if it hasn't been controversial enough about the online only arguement, Jay Wilson has added more fuel to the fire. Jay Wilson of Blizzard Entertainment has suggested that people who have mediocre connections to their houses should "upgrade the wiring in your house" uhh what ? I'm sorry Jay but are you going to pay everyone who doesn't have a good connection ? Ofcourse not but what nerve they have telling people what they should and shouldn't do. Since when does Blizzard employees play God or atleast think they make the laws ?
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Since they invented wow and made bilions ...
Blizzard's typical response to network issues is "it can't be us, so it must be you". Of course, it's been proven several times to be an issue on their part, but they will rarely ever admit to it. Even when it's a problem on their side for their ISP, they try to blame the customer's ISP for beign at fault.
It is called giving a suggestion. i see no where him playing a God or making a law. you are over reacting.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
While they have lost me on Diablo 3 with all the crap theyve added even though I had looked forward to it since D2, what he says is pretty legit and you shouldnt take it the wrong way. In a game like D2 if you lag you get wrecked, and if your playing hardcore mode( why wouldnt you? ) that means the end of your character and usualy alot of anger, but I just see this and them giving the people the heads up that the game is going to have alot of connection issues unless you have alot of bandwidth.
Mess with the best, Die like the rest
Core of diablo is circle trading?!?!?! WTF
I thought it was hacknslash get fat lootz.
Uh, I think you're reading into that way too much and then amplifying the remark. Blizzard's point was that "lack of access to a good connection" is no longer deemed as a barrier and, if it is, then it is a sliver of the population which they are willing to forgo.
I actually take more offense to the notion that they justify the online requirement because players using the game offline are unintentionally "opting out of a cooperative experience...", which is BS.
Activision/Blizzard is just trying to justify their fast grab at the wallets of individual players by forcing online play.
The excuse that "anybody who's anybody, and by that I mean everyone has good internet" is a cop out. The reality that at any time the internet might go out, from natural disasters to electrical issues to wiring to isp to hacking, is actually a much greater reality than Activision/Blizzard and their fanboi's want to say. Since the fanboi's have no other option and activision/blizzard know they can force customers to do what they want they just want to be insolent to anyone and all who ask the question why, and continue with realistic questions about the gigantic holes in the "persistent online" hack and slash game.
This whole thing is silly imo, it's not an mmo, their is no persistent world in the game. The only peristent part of the game is the rmt auction house.
Sic Luceat Lux
Although that's an idiotic response, truth is he's more right than you all realize. A lot of older homes have the old RG-59 cable in them which has a significantly smaller copper core than the more modern RG-6. I've seen a change in the interal wiring turn a house from "not able to connect" to "smoking". Plus, over time, the wiring degrades.
So, even though he handled it with poor attitude, he may be right. Look at the cable coming in from the wall... if it's RG-59 you're in dire need of an upgrade. RG-59 simply wasn't intended to handle this much digital communication.
Oderint, dum metuant.
So I liked how he basically said "We are making it online only because we're convinced its the right thing to do, that being online is the best way to play the game and your crazy if you don't want to play online."
A person is paying 60 dollars for this game, shouldn't THEY decide how they want to play the game? If they want to play the game offline, that's their choice to make.
Actually I dont find the statement from the Blizzard Rep unreasonable.
Gamers spend Thousands of $$$ building their computers to play games, why not spend a bit more and upgrade the wireing in your house?
It just some COAX and/or CAT5.
Lo-Volt wiring companies will usually retrofit at about $85 a drop/line. Its also not hard to do it yourself.
I can see if you live in an Apt or Condo you might have a hard time running new line, but in a house its not all that difficult.
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People who need to upgrade the wiring most likely don't have computers that cost thousands of $$$. They also may not be able to spare the cash for the upgrade.
Fan to Blizzard: Pay me for it.
Also
Tell my ISP to not have maintance periods between 9am and 2pm.
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I'd like to ask you, dear Blizzard, that everytime there is some damaged cable in my neigbourhood Your team will come to fix it, free of charge.
How does it sound? Yes. That's exaclty how i feel about always-online in games i like to play single-player. I never cared much about multiplayer in either of Diablo games, why should i suddenly start to? To make use of Auction House? But i don't want to buy items. I don't really want to spend hours on figuring the right prices for items i find in case iw ouldn't need them. I'm not in hurry to have "best gear nau!". I want to play Diablo at my own pace, without being bothered by internet or what other people do in the game. I want to play it just like i played the first and the second game.
Oh and somehow Starcraft2 works in offline and yet you are not complaining about hackers and chaters and whatever else that may happen. Why Diablo 3 can't be that way ?
I've been playing WoW for 7 years now on and off and I've never... not once had connection issues that weren't on my end. I've been playing very steadily the last 2 months and have had zero issues. What he said was correct, a lot of areas in the US have poor infrastructure when it comes to phone /cable lines. About a year ago, I had fios installed and a new line was placed to my home. Ever since - fast as shit, never interupted connection. When I play now, I typically have a 37ms latency (home) and abround 62ms latency (world) - no issues. I think that a lot of folks having issues don't want to believe it's on their end.. I know I didn't. But it was.
Just my 2 cents
He responded to a question about faulty wiring in players' houses, which is, of course, a very odd question, a question to which the only appropriate answer can be "fix it!" Even the article you linked acknowledged it was an oddly phrased question. The author guessed that it may have meant poor internet connection, but wasn't sure. You take that assumption all the way and don't even question that that is the meaning. Wilson, on the other hand, appears to interpret it differently as actual faulty wiring, ie. an electrical fire hazzard. Duh, fix it. His response was completely appropriate.
You're making something out of nothing. There are other points in that article worth of criticism, but all of your complaints have been materialized out of thin air and seem to first be preceeded by a hatred for Blizzard, justified or unjustified.
That is their problem. I mean chirst, this is the type of thought that is causing issues. It's not the gaming community or game companies problem if you can't afford a nice machine or money to fix wiring, it's yours. Get a better job, make more money. I mean, fuck, gaming is not a necessity... it's a luxury. As a gamer, you are not "owed" anything. Do you know how many people out there don't have jobs or food to eat? I don't hear them bitching about their internet connections. Fact is, if you're gaming, you're already blowing money, so the "we don't have it" bullshit is nonsense.
“There’s two basic problems with us doing that,” said Wilson. “One is players default immediately to that. So, they basically unintentionally opt out of all the cooperative experience, all the trading experience, and the core of Diablo is a circle-trading game. So for us we’ve always viewed it as an online game – the game’s not really being played right if it’s not online, so when we have that specific question of why are we allowing it? Because that’s the best experience, why would you want it any other way?”
Wow this guy is such a douchebag. Can't believe some fanbois are still defending the new Blizzard here. Wanna know the real reasons why they want you online alll the time?
1. so Battlecrap can monitor and profile your activities -> sell it for marketing stuff and "partners"
2. more onlineplayers means faster growing pay 2 win auction house
those are the real reasons. If this fat clown is really concerned about the cooperative mode why not include LAN? Really since World of Warcraft Blizzard has become a different company.
Are their disadvantages of playing offline, sure but at least let the player decide. I never ever want to be part of a Blizzard community again, their forums are badly moderated, filled with fanbois/kids/trolls and Bashiok has to be the most arrogant CM I've ever had to read postings from.
Its same with the reason why they don't allow mods, they don't want ou to create your own unique experience.
What those ..... don't understand: people who want the play to game solo will just pirate it and play offline or create LAN mods. So all they are doing is pissing off people, who made the REAL Diablo founders and therefore Blizzard what they are today.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Agreed. Way over reacting...
It's simple. If you don't like the fact that your characters are stored on B-net instead of your machine, then don't play. If you don't like the fact that the "whole experience" of D3 will require a B-net connection, then don't play. If you can't afford a decent connection then I'm sorry, you have a lot more to be worried about than playing D3 anyway as your money might be better spent elsewhere like on food or clothes.
Power to the Sheeple
Really if somoene demanded to me what I should do to my own car or house I would tell them in some many words to go to hell. Seriously, telling people what to do is not the way it works. I understand where he is coming from but also, if people aren't so fortunate to afford better then telling them what to do is very inappropriate.
There's no correlation. The wiring in the house/apt came with the house/apt. If you live in a house greater than 10 years old, there's a good chance you would benefit nicely from an upgrade to the cable in the house.
Oderint, dum metuant.
I thought it was called circle jerking... OK i'll get my coat.
This in in response to the lack of offline mode, if i wanted to release a Website and couldn't be bothered to create an offline version of the site.. that my choice.
While i may loose a few of my target market im sure the cost of creating an offline mode would be much more.
Infact if i was planning on playing offline i would pickup touch light and get bored pretty damn fast.
The fact that there is a thread about this on a MMO(nline!) RPG site is just pure LoL. If your connection sucks to much to play online then that's your issue. Its not like you complain at Ferrari because you live off the beaten track and you cart drive it home. You just don't buy it.
While we are at it, why not flame them for not giving us a offline mode for WoW or even the entire Internet itself.
Also, I've worked for a few ISP in my area before, and if a customer is having bad connection issues, they need but ask and they'll do it for free, especially if it means keeping you as a paying customer. {We wouldn't replace everything in the house, but a new line from the pole to the PC...sure!} And thats all that really matters...
Now I don't know if this is true for all ISPs, but it has been in my area. Just 2 years ago, I had such a bad connection, that it turned out to be a faulty main line, and the best part, is that they came in and destroyed my neighbors yard to replace it entirely...LOL {and I hated those neighbors too, so that was an awesome win!}
You know, far be it from me to be a Blizzard apologist, but I don't get the rage about D3 requiring internet.
1) The biggest issue with the Diablo games in the past was bots and hacks. This eliminates a lot of them.
2) As much as I hate to admit it, it's a good form of DRM.
3) The achievement system will be tied into Battle.net and require a connection. Much like a lot of current Steam products that require you to be logged into Steam.
4) Starcraft II required internet too, and no one freaked.
More on topic about internet...that was a stupid comment, since a LOT of houses are primarily wireless nowadays.
The poin here its not the fact about the change of D3 from offline/online to only online content the problem here is the tone of this incompetent person: “Erm… upgrade the wiring in his house?” suggests Wilson. “I mean, in this day and age the notion that there’s this a whole vast majority of players out there that don’t have online connectivity – this doesn’t really fly any more.”
lol and here i ask this Wilson who the *** are you to speak to a custumer like this; now im not one who has a bad connection at home so im not angry at him for the change in the game but you are nowhere important enough to tell people what they should or not should do. Even an idiod could have realized that what shoud be done was an upgrading of theyr line, maybe if they complained about it was because this could cause issues for them?! Not every one in the world has money to spare for games or internet so if a casual player wants to enjoy a game without using too much money you can't absolutely speak to them like this!
Ya, this is such a stupid thing to be complaining about. People are stuck in the past, if you really want to play offline that stinks but get with the times.
Players may have the right to play the way they want, but developers have the right to develope the way they want, if you dont like it you dont have to buy it. I'm willing to bet D3 will be a huge success though even without offline play.