Originally posted by Foomerang You know that this fine print is attached to pretty much any piece of software youve ever used? Even your web browser has fine print like this. Im sorry, but people who are freaking out about origins fine print are acting naive.
I think that's an extremely weak point. Some of us are talking broadly about the entire trend. Not just the one example.
Also note that your can not use Itunes to create a nuclear device! The problem with these agreements is that they simply cover everything that might happen so they can not be screwed later along the line by some US laywer. If they did not say they might scan or collect your information or whatever someone would later on cry and sue them.
These EULA are totally useless. They can not just get into your computer and take your nude pictures for example. This would still be illigal whatever you accept such an agreement or not., beside that fact they would lose consumers if they did such a thing.
I still be playing BF3 and am sure that my files are save and secure.
Originally posted by Toferio I don't get the issue. So they check your hardware, so what? Stop being so ignorant, the information is gold worthy to developers so they can optimize their games for appropriate popular hardware for YOUR sake. It's not like they are checking your emails or steal your CC info.
That show a sign that you are very ignorant on this part and clearly did not read the EULA. Origins want to check every single software you installed and uninstalled that is not EA product. Scanning the hardware is pretty common across the gaming community. But what EA is doing is beyond than what they should be and want to know what you have in your computer. That frankly is none of their business. I don't care if they are scanning my hardware but I do care that they are scanning every piece of files they are looking in my computer. Let me help you to bring this attention to you
You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services.
See the first bold sentence? What you think it means? That clearly mean they want to check beyond their product and see what else you installed in your computer. That clearly the violation of our own privacy. Why would they want to know what you have in your computer? Now imagine this EA Origins scanning your computer.. "Oh look! Toferio have Steam installed in his computer, pshh our product is better than him. let spam him with ads that our product is superior than Steam!" That push it, does it? the EULA clearly want to gather all your information about your computer, inside and out. So they can combine all the information and advertise to you. How they do it? simple, they have your IP address and your hardware ID. So basically they know who they are showing the ads to.
And the problem with Origin, you have no choice but to install Origins with that invasive probing if you want to use their product. There is no way around it. Basically, once you click "Agree", you grant them the permission to scan your entire hard drive
I don't get the issue. So they check your hardware, so what? Stop being so ignorant, the information is gold worthy to developers so they can optimize their games for appropriate popular hardware for YOUR sake. It's not like they are checking your emails or steal your CC info.
That show a sign that you are very ignorant on this part and clearly did not read the EULA. Origins want to check every single software you installed and uninstalled that is not EA product. Scanning the hardware is pretty common across the gaming community. But what EA is doing is beyond than what they should be and want to know what you have in your computer. That frankly is none of their business. I don't care if they are scanning my hardware but I do care that they are scanning every piece of files they are looking in my computer. Let me help you to bring this attention to you
You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services.
See the first bold sentence? What you think it means? That clearly mean they want to check beyond their product and see what else you installed in your computer. That clearly the violation of our own privacy. Why would they want to know what you have in your computer? Now imagine this EA Origins scanning your computer.. "Oh look! Toferio have Steam installed in his computer, pshh our product is better than him. let spam him with ads that our product is superior than Steam!" That push it, does it? the EULA clearly want to gather all your information about your computer, inside and out. So they can combine all the information and advertise to you. How they do it? simple, they have your IP address and your hardware ID. So basically they know who they are showing the ads to.
And the problem with Origin, you have no choice but to install Origins with that invasive probing if you want to use their product. There is no way around it. Basically, once you click "Agree", you grant them the permission to scan your entire hard drive
I dunno, reading what you bolded I see it saying they plan to check the installation status of their software, not all software, though it is a bit ambiguous so you might have a point.
Since I don't download internet porn (or anything else that I'm ashamed of) I really don't have any concerns......
Now I suppose if your box is full of stuff you shouldn't really have then your concerns about privacy are pretty valid.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Privacy issues, politics, religion, it's all there.
I don't get the issue. So they check your hardware, so what? Stop being so ignorant, the information is gold worthy to developers so they can optimize their games for appropriate popular hardware for YOUR sake. It's not like they are checking your emails or steal your CC info.
That show a sign that you are very ignorant on this part and clearly did not read the EULA. Origins want to check every single software you installed and uninstalled that is not EA product. Scanning the hardware is pretty common across the gaming community. But what EA is doing is beyond than what they should be and want to know what you have in your computer. That frankly is none of their business. I don't care if they are scanning my hardware but I do care that they are scanning every piece of files they are looking in my computer. Let me help you to bring this attention to you
You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services.
See the first bold sentence? What you think it means? That clearly mean they want to check beyond their product and see what else you installed in your computer. That clearly the violation of our own privacy. Why would they want to know what you have in your computer? Now imagine this EA Origins scanning your computer.. "Oh look! Toferio have Steam installed in his computer, pshh our product is better than him. let spam him with ads that our product is superior than Steam!" That push it, does it? the EULA clearly want to gather all your information about your computer, inside and out. So they can combine all the information and advertise to you. How they do it? simple, they have your IP address and your hardware ID. So basically they know who they are showing the ads to.
And the problem with Origin, you have no choice but to install Origins with that invasive probing if you want to use their product. There is no way around it. Basically, once you click "Agree", you grant them the permission to scan your entire hard drive
I dunno, reading what you bolded I see it saying they plan to check the installation status of their software, not all software, though it is a bit ambiguous so you might have a point.
That the problem.. they never state in their EULA that they are scanning for their product, it too board. this is why news site is making noise over it. Their EULA is too board and clearly want to scan the entire content of the hard drive. If Origins only scanning for their product, then it shouldn't be a problem. But it is a problem now because of the overly board EULA is stating this. They are not being specific in the EULA
See the first bold sentence? What you think it means?
It might mean they want to implement a feature that allows you to start non-origin games from origin like steam and that the origin will look though your computer to look for these games so you can easily add them (like steam, gameranger, etc). I think people are seeing way more then there is to see.
I am 100% sure that they will not look into your computer and start to spam you with ads. They will do this anyway regardless if you have steam installed or not. Also you can just simply unsub from any mailing list you added to. This is law in most countries and most official ads give you this option. Second you e-mail is protected from being sold so it would only be official EA stuff and I can ensure you that there is an option to unsub from the mailing list.
They can not do a hell of a lot with you IP adress either beside knowing from with region you are. Not your specific adress, unless your ISP released that information.
Would also like to note that it clearly states "technical or related information". I am sure no court would find whatever I have steam installed or not related. I think people are making a fuss over nothing. You really believe they could just get away with pulling sensative data from someone hard-drive or personal information? Regardless if you accept this EULA they are not allowed to do such a thing, it would still be illigal. I am sure you, I, EA and a court can all agree that by installing Origin I do not agree with them checking my porn habbits or pulling private files from my hard-drive.
if people are worried about their privacy, just stop using INTERNET!, stop using cell-phones, stop using electronics all together.
I even think that one should become a hobbo if a person is scared about his or her privacy.
Thats kind of a weak argument. If I knew an app for my phone would monitor all my calls and record them I wouldnt use it. If the Xbox Kinect's camera stayed on all the time, recorded constantly, and sent that back to Microsoft for the hell of it, I wouldnt buy it either (entirely hypothetical as this is not the case).
And if a service monitors my computer and records everything I do on it, Im probably not going to use that either. Thats just plain creepy.
You can surf the net just fine without prossibly being monitored constantly. You can make a call with your phone and likely not be recorded (of course thats possible). And stop using electronics all together? Why? Because my TV is some sort of sinister thing thats watching me watching it? Hardly. Like I said, thats a pretty weak argument.
Originally posted by Pynda Originally posted by Foomerang You know that this fine print is attached to pretty much any piece of software youve ever used? Even your web browser has fine print like this. Im sorry, but people who are freaking out about origins fine print are acting naive.
I think that's an extremely weak point. Some of us are talking broadly about the entire trend. Not just the one example.
as I stated in the post you quoted, people freaking out about origins are acting naive. I wasnt talking broadly about the entire trend.
if people are worried about their privacy, just stop using INTERNET!, stop using cell-phones, stop using electronics all together.
I even think that one should become a hobbo if a person is scared about his or her privacy.
Thats kind of a weak argument. If I knew an app for my phone would monitor all my calls and record them I wouldnt use it. If the Xbox Kinect's camera stayed on all the time, recorded constantly, and sent that back to Microsoft for the hell of it, I wouldnt buy it either (entirely hypothetical as this is not the case).
And if a service monitors my computer and records everything I do on it, Im probably not going to use that either. Thats just plain creepy.
You can surf the net just fine without prossibly being monitored constantly. You can make a call with your phone and likely not be recorded (of course thats possible). And stop using electronics all together? Why? Because my TV is some sort of sinister thing thats watching me watching it? Hardly. Like I said, thats a pretty weak argument.
Well, technically websites can track where you go and relay ads to you, so does Steam and other service oriented systems, and even if you watch hulu, or netflix, they see what you're watching and try and send ads to you (for hulu) or push other services.
Moreover thats just a small part of a larger picture that is known as internet security. There are plenty of people doing much worse with their PCs sensitive data than anything Origin could do to them, and they do it freely.
Why is people defending Origin? Have we become sheeps of the big companies? Not many years ago everybody would be very upset about this.
they are defending it because they are hired to defend it don't be so naive and think marketers don't check sites like this:D
fact is, EA is trying to ruin SWTOR just like sony ruined EQ....
What nonsense!
You don't believe in professional shills that post on sites like this as opinion formers?
They're everywhere man, just like the mind-controlling fluoride in our water and all them allems harvesting our brains for meatloaf recipes (Meatloaf is required to power their thought-inserters you see.)
hahahah the funny thing is my original "3 line post" was so OFFENSIVE that the mod had to delete it from the thread:D the only way to see what i posted was on threads that quoted my original post like this one:D
no, the marketers arent paying the bills here. nothing is happening. there are no spoon:D
Why is people defending Origin? Have we become sheeps of the big companies? Not many years ago everybody would be very upset about this.
they are defending it because they are hired to defend it don't be so naive and think marketers don't check sites like this:D
fact is, EA is trying to ruin SWTOR just like sony ruined EQ....
What nonsense!
You don't believe in professional shills that post on sites like this as opinion formers?
They're everywhere man, just like the mind-controlling fluoride in our water and all them allems harvesting our brains for meatloaf recipes (Meatloaf is required to power their thought-inserters you see.)
hahahah the funny thing is my original "3 line post" was so OFFENSIVE that the mod had to delete it from the thread:D the only way to see what i posted was on threads that quoted my original post like this one:D
no, the marketers arent paying the bills here. nothing is happening. there are no spoon:D
And mmorpg.com is not defending big companies against us, the players who pay for everything.
Our privacy is being invaded every time we go online. Has been that way for years. That's not really a shocker. The shocking thing is we have embraced it and even defend it, simply because we can't live without the product/products
Every time a new internet fad comes out, our privacy is pushed a little further and people gobble it up too addicted to even question it.
First and foremost your privacy is virtually non existant if you connect to the internet. Its possible to maximize your privacy if you are willing to work at it and take those steps necessary to protect your information. But lets be honest, most of us don't go that extra mile to do this. Maybe we have a basic virus checker/spam checker but thats about it.
As far as Origins is concerned, some of the arguments on this thread are laughable. They are trying to ruin SWTOR, lol, it makes you look silly, stop it. If my understanding is correct, its in the EULA what they are collecting/how they are collecting. I could be wrong, I haven't actually read it, just going by what is being said on this thread. Me, I wanted the game, so I agreed without looking into it. Even if I had, I would have done it because it was the easiest, fastest way to get this game (That I know of). So let them do their worst. Rip my information from me and devil take the hindmost.
First and foremost your privacy is virtually non existant if you connect to the internet. Its possible to maximize your privacy if you are willing to work at it and take those steps necessary to protect your information. But lets be honest, most of us don't go that extra mile to do this. Maybe we have a basic virus checker/spam checker but thats about it.
As far as Origins is concerned, some of the arguments on this thread are laughable. They are trying to ruin SWTOR, lol, it makes you look silly, stop it. If my understanding is correct, its in the EULA what they are collecting/how they are collecting. I could be wrong, I haven't actually read it, just going by what is being said on this thread. Me, I wanted the game, so I agreed without looking into it. Even if I had, I would have done it because it was the easiest, fastest way to get this game (That I know of). So let them do their worst. Rip my information from me and devil take the hindmost.
I feel the same way you do, but you don't even need to let it enter your mind for TOR. EA/Bioware have already confirmed that you do not even have to install it in order to download or update the game, even if you purchase it from there.
At the end of the day, if people keep sensitive information such as credit card info stored on a PC connected to the net then they need their heads examined. No matter how vigilant you are there is always the chance of clicking on that one link or even being burgled and your PC stolen which could result in information being taken. Just as if you keep your Credit Card pin number on a piece of paper in your wallet there's always the chance you may be remiss and leave it sitting unwatched for a minute or two, even if you normally keep it in your front pocket close to your.. thigh.. where you couldn't miss it being taken. The most secure place for sensitive data is our own memory, use it.
Our privacy is being invaded every time we go online. Has been that way for years. That's not really a shocker. The shocking thing is we have embraced it and even defend it, simply because we can't live without the product/products
Every time a new internet fad comes out, our privacy is pushed a little further and people gobble it up too addicted to even question it.
Ask yourself why you need all this privacy, unless doing something you're ashamed of?
Anyways, the info EA may or may not take is a smidgen to what's really important.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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First and foremost your privacy is virtually non existant if you connect to the internet.
Until now no software has scanned my hard drive to see what software i have installed, neithermonitoring what i install and uninstall to sell that information to third companies. And much less while me paying for that.
Stop comparing the spyware in Origin to what we have now in internet because this is a whole new level of legal malware.
And are we 100% sure this will only be in Origin and not in SWTOR itself?
While there has been cases of 'shills' paid to sway the opinion of this forum's community, I'd doubt one is defending EA on this thread.
Mainly cause there is nothing to 'sway'.
The user accepted the agreement when the program was installed. Whether the user read the agreement or not is irrelevant.
If I don't read a contract and blindly sign it, that doesn't mean the contract is invalid.
A EULA is not a real contract. Real contracts have neutral parties to verify the signees and cannot be entered by people who are minors (like videogame Eula's attempt to do constantly). A EULA is a bunch of BS because you never are able to verify who really signed it and under what conditions.
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Our privacy is being invaded every time we go online. Has been that way for years. That's not really a shocker. The shocking thing is we have embraced it and even defend it, simply because we can't live without the product/products
Every time a new internet fad comes out, our privacy is pushed a little further and people gobble it up too addicted to even question it.
Ask yourself why you need all this privacy, unless doing something you're ashamed of?
Anyways, the info EA may or may not take is a smidgen to what's really important.
Everyone, including you, has something they are ashamed of. Don't be a fool because you want to support corporate BS blindly.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii. --In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses. --The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence! --CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
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I think that's an extremely weak point. Some of us are talking broadly about the entire trend. Not just the one example.
Also note that your can not use Itunes to create a nuclear device! The problem with these agreements is that they simply cover everything that might happen so they can not be screwed later along the line by some US laywer. If they did not say they might scan or collect your information or whatever someone would later on cry and sue them.
These EULA are totally useless. They can not just get into your computer and take your nude pictures for example. This would still be illigal whatever you accept such an agreement or not., beside that fact they would lose consumers if they did such a thing.
I still be playing BF3 and am sure that my files are save and secure.
See the first bold sentence? What you think it means? That clearly mean they want to check beyond their product and see what else you installed in your computer. That clearly the violation of our own privacy. Why would they want to know what you have in your computer? Now imagine this EA Origins scanning your computer.. "Oh look! Toferio have Steam installed in his computer, pshh our product is better than him. let spam him with ads that our product is superior than Steam!" That push it, does it? the EULA clearly want to gather all your information about your computer, inside and out. So they can combine all the information and advertise to you. How they do it? simple, they have your IP address and your hardware ID. So basically they know who they are showing the ads to.
And the problem with Origin, you have no choice but to install Origins with that invasive probing if you want to use their product. There is no way around it. Basically, once you click "Agree", you grant them the permission to scan your entire hard drive
I dunno, reading what you bolded I see it saying they plan to check the installation status of their software, not all software, though it is a bit ambiguous so you might have a point.
Since I don't download internet porn (or anything else that I'm ashamed of) I really don't have any concerns......
Now I suppose if your box is full of stuff you shouldn't really have then your concerns about privacy are pretty valid.
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The only thing facebook has are my name, a spam email, and a google voice phone number. And what college I attend.
How are they a "threat"?
If you're against something, you be damned that someone else will be there having no interest in the topic before, but will gladly fight you to the death to be opposite of you. Why? I don't know. These days it seems like it's the cool thing to do, if you see someone bitching, you pop in, and if you're not intelligent in the least, you type U MAD?, where as if you are, you try to makeup nonsense on the spot and sound like you know what you're talking about.
Privacy issues, politics, religion, it's all there.
U mad?
That the problem.. they never state in their EULA that they are scanning for their product, it too board. this is why news site is making noise over it. Their EULA is too board and clearly want to scan the entire content of the hard drive. If Origins only scanning for their product, then it shouldn't be a problem. But it is a problem now because of the overly board EULA is stating this. They are not being specific in the EULA
It might mean they want to implement a feature that allows you to start non-origin games from origin like steam and that the origin will look though your computer to look for these games so you can easily add them (like steam, gameranger, etc). I think people are seeing way more then there is to see.
I am 100% sure that they will not look into your computer and start to spam you with ads. They will do this anyway regardless if you have steam installed or not. Also you can just simply unsub from any mailing list you added to. This is law in most countries and most official ads give you this option. Second you e-mail is protected from being sold so it would only be official EA stuff and I can ensure you that there is an option to unsub from the mailing list.
They can not do a hell of a lot with you IP adress either beside knowing from with region you are. Not your specific adress, unless your ISP released that information.
Would also like to note that it clearly states "technical or related information". I am sure no court would find whatever I have steam installed or not related. I think people are making a fuss over nothing. You really believe they could just get away with pulling sensative data from someone hard-drive or personal information? Regardless if you accept this EULA they are not allowed to do such a thing, it would still be illigal. I am sure you, I, EA and a court can all agree that by installing Origin I do not agree with them checking my porn habbits or pulling private files from my hard-drive.
if people are worried about their privacy, just stop using INTERNET!, stop using cell-phones, stop using electronics all together.
I even think that one should become a hobbo if a person is scared about his or her privacy.
Quite uncool I must say. If Origin is needed, I am sure not to buy any EA game that demands this being installed. But that's just my decision.
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Thats kind of a weak argument. If I knew an app for my phone would monitor all my calls and record them I wouldnt use it. If the Xbox Kinect's camera stayed on all the time, recorded constantly, and sent that back to Microsoft for the hell of it, I wouldnt buy it either (entirely hypothetical as this is not the case).
And if a service monitors my computer and records everything I do on it, Im probably not going to use that either. Thats just plain creepy.
You can surf the net just fine without prossibly being monitored constantly. You can make a call with your phone and likely not be recorded (of course thats possible). And stop using electronics all together? Why? Because my TV is some sort of sinister thing thats watching me watching it? Hardly. Like I said, thats a pretty weak argument.
I think that's an extremely weak point. Some of us are talking broadly about the entire trend. Not just the one example.
as I stated in the post you quoted, people freaking out about origins are acting naive. I wasnt talking broadly about the entire trend.
You dont like it dont use it
Nuff said
lol this
Well, technically websites can track where you go and relay ads to you, so does Steam and other service oriented systems, and even if you watch hulu, or netflix, they see what you're watching and try and send ads to you (for hulu) or push other services.
Moreover thats just a small part of a larger picture that is known as internet security. There are plenty of people doing much worse with their PCs sensitive data than anything Origin could do to them, and they do it freely.
hahahah the funny thing is my original "3 line post" was so OFFENSIVE that the mod had to delete it from the thread:D the only way to see what i posted was on threads that quoted my original post like this one:D
no, the marketers arent paying the bills here. nothing is happening. there are no spoon:D
And mmorpg.com is not defending big companies against us, the players who pay for everything.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
Our privacy is being invaded every time we go online. Has been that way for years. That's not really a shocker. The shocking thing is we have embraced it and even defend it, simply because we can't live without the product/products
Every time a new internet fad comes out, our privacy is pushed a little further and people gobble it up too addicted to even question it.
Its not realy any different than what other programs such as Steam or Xfire do. They collect your system specs, what games are installed etc too.
First and foremost your privacy is virtually non existant if you connect to the internet. Its possible to maximize your privacy if you are willing to work at it and take those steps necessary to protect your information. But lets be honest, most of us don't go that extra mile to do this. Maybe we have a basic virus checker/spam checker but thats about it.
As far as Origins is concerned, some of the arguments on this thread are laughable. They are trying to ruin SWTOR, lol, it makes you look silly, stop it. If my understanding is correct, its in the EULA what they are collecting/how they are collecting. I could be wrong, I haven't actually read it, just going by what is being said on this thread. Me, I wanted the game, so I agreed without looking into it. Even if I had, I would have done it because it was the easiest, fastest way to get this game (That I know of). So let them do their worst. Rip my information from me and devil take the hindmost.
I self identify as a monkey.
I feel the same way you do, but you don't even need to let it enter your mind for TOR. EA/Bioware have already confirmed that you do not even have to install it in order to download or update the game, even if you purchase it from there.
At the end of the day, if people keep sensitive information such as credit card info stored on a PC connected to the net then they need their heads examined. No matter how vigilant you are there is always the chance of clicking on that one link or even being burgled and your PC stolen which could result in information being taken. Just as if you keep your Credit Card pin number on a piece of paper in your wallet there's always the chance you may be remiss and leave it sitting unwatched for a minute or two, even if you normally keep it in your front pocket close to your.. thigh.. where you couldn't miss it being taken. The most secure place for sensitive data is our own memory, use it.
Ask yourself why you need all this privacy, unless doing something you're ashamed of?
Anyways, the info EA may or may not take is a smidgen to what's really important.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Until now no software has scanned my hard drive to see what software i have installed, neithermonitoring what i install and uninstall to sell that information to third companies. And much less while me paying for that.
Stop comparing the spyware in Origin to what we have now in internet because this is a whole new level of legal malware.
And are we 100% sure this will only be in Origin and not in SWTOR itself?
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
A EULA is not a real contract. Real contracts have neutral parties to verify the signees and cannot be entered by people who are minors (like videogame Eula's attempt to do constantly). A EULA is a bunch of BS because you never are able to verify who really signed it and under what conditions.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.
Everyone, including you, has something they are ashamed of. Don't be a fool because you want to support corporate BS blindly.
--When you resubscribe to SWG, an 18 yearold Stripper finds Jesus, gives up stripping, and moves with a rolex reverend to Hawaii.
--In MMORPG's l007 is the opiate of the masses.
--The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
--CCP could cut off an Eve player's fun bits, and that player would say that it was good CCP did that.