Love the screen shots man and thx for putting those up. I would say for me the interest is more in the lore of the totems and why they are able to shapechange. The raven being the the totem of trickery and the dead is the one i would choose. Not an rp player myself but i think the totems history offers alot of backstory people will be able to play off of. Once again nice find man.
I had no idea they would be able to transform, awesome. To the OP, of all the reasons one could possibly boycot a game for this seems like more of an excuse rather than a reason. Surely all the positives outweigh this (what you see as one anyway) negative if you were genuinely interested in the first place.
I always had the impression that ravens fly but I now know better! Ahem, hopefully they have somekind of signature jump-attack-move "death from above!" at least for the raven form
I always had the impression that ravens fly but I now know better! Ahem, hopefully they have somekind of signature jump-attack-move "death from above!" at least for the raven form
Well then that brings up the question when did you see a 10ft 300lb raven that flew?
When Norn shapeshift they do not just become the animal they become a wereform of said animal. So more like someone becoming a werewolf then someone becoming a wolf! Last time I checked the myths Werewolves did not act exactly like a wolf so why would a wereraven act exactly like a raven?
I always had the impression that ravens fly but I now know better! Ahem, hopefully they have somekind of signature jump-attack-move "death from above!" at least for the raven form
Well then that brings up the question when did you see a 10ft 300lb raven that flew?
When Norn shapeshift they do not just become the animal they become a wereform of said animal. So more like someone becoming a werewolf then someone becoming a wolf! Last time I checked the myths Werewolves did not act exactly like a wolf so why would a wereraven act exactly like a raven?
This particular thread of the conversation has officially accumulated more than its maximum alotment of logic. Cease and desist the reasonable discourse at once, or face the threat of losing all future logic points for an indeterminate period of time.
I always had the impression that ravens fly but I now know better! Ahem, hopefully they have somekind of signature jump-attack-move "death from above!" at least for the raven form
Well then that brings up the question when did you see a 10ft 300lb raven that flew?
When Norn shapeshift they do not just become the animal they become a wereform of said animal. So more like someone becoming a werewolf then someone becoming a wolf! Last time I checked the myths Werewolves did not act exactly like a wolf so why would a wereraven act exactly like a raven?
Myths all have variations in the description of were-creatures. Some tell the stories with the person becoming the animal and some with it being a mix of the two. Heck there are myths of creatures made up of a good number of different animals.
Im also thinking that a 10ft Raven wouldn't weigh 300lbs and would be considerably lighter due to hollow bones etc
I always had the impression that ravens fly but I now know better! Ahem, hopefully they have somekind of signature jump-attack-move "death from above!" at least for the raven form
Well then that brings up the question when did you see a 10ft 300lb raven that flew?
When Norn shapeshift they do not just become the animal they become a wereform of said animal. So more like someone becoming a werewolf then someone becoming a wolf! Last time I checked the myths Werewolves did not act exactly like a wolf so why would a wereraven act exactly like a raven?
Point taken, though if the raven were bigger its wings would be bigger too to perhaps be able to lift up the weight momentarily if not indefinately! Anyway it's good that it wont fly, this game would go downhill if it were to introduce "flight forms" of anykind, though I'd still love to see a special move that launched the raven into the air and onto the foes below.
I would have prefered shifting into a full animal form, but the were-forms make most sense with in the mechanics of the game. It looks like the four forms will be available for slotting to the last skill slot on the right hand skill bar. I don't think we know what the benefits of the forms will be, or if they alter any of the other skills on your skill bar. (i.e. do you get claw attacks, rather than your weapon skills? Or, do you still have use of your weapons)?
I think it could go either way. 1.) The form offers buffs, but you still have your weapon skills while in the form or 2.) Your form choice acts like a weapon choice, with "weapon skills" linked to each form. From a design perspective, option 1 makes the most sense to me, otherwise your form would be over-riding a lot of the skills associated with your class. A third option would be to have beast form skills that reflect your class combined with the form, but that seems way too complicated.
Assuming it doesn't over-ride your weapons, I think that would be pretty cool, watching a Were-wolf Ranger picking off opponents with a bow, or a were-bear Thief shadow stepping in to slash someone with daggers.
I would have prefered shifting into a full animal form, but the were-forms make most sense with in the mechanics of the game. It looks like the four forms will be available for slotting to the last skill slot on the right hand skill bar. I don't think we know what the benefits of the forms will be, or if they alter any of the other skills on your skill bar. (i.e. do you get claw attacks, rather than your weapon skills? Or, do you still have use of your weapons)?
I think it could go either way. 1.) The form offers buffs, but you still have your weapon skills while in the form or 2.) Your form choice acts like a weapon choice, with "weapon skills" linked to each form. From a design perspective, option 1 makes the most sense to me, otherwise your form would be over-riding a lot of the skills associated with your class. A third option would be to have beast form skills that reflect your class combined with the form, but that seems way too complicated.
Assuming it doesn't over-ride your weapons, I think that would be pretty cool, watching a Were-wolf Ranger picking off opponents with a bow, or a were-bear Thief shadow stepping in to slash someone with daggers.
I guess that its either 4 elite skills, one for each form, or 1 that gives a random form each time you use the skill. And I guess it will work like the weapon packs for Engineers work. When using a rifle, you have your standard 5 skills to use. But when you arm yourself with a flamethrower it alters your 5 skills for that weapon.
I guess the Bear form is the Raw strength one, most HP and secent dmg.
The Wolf and Cat form can both be some kind of DPS, but works different.
The Raven one I dont know what it could be. Probably fast cooldowns but lowest health of them all.
I would have prefered shifting into a full animal form, but the were-forms make most sense with in the mechanics of the game. It looks like the four forms will be available for slotting to the last skill slot on the right hand skill bar. I don't think we know what the benefits of the forms will be, or if they alter any of the other skills on your skill bar. (i.e. do you get claw attacks, rather than your weapon skills? Or, do you still have use of your weapons)?
I think it could go either way. 1.) The form offers buffs, but you still have your weapon skills while in the form or 2.) Your form choice acts like a weapon choice, with "weapon skills" linked to each form. From a design perspective, option 1 makes the most sense to me, otherwise your form would be over-riding a lot of the skills associated with your class. A third option would be to have beast form skills that reflect your class combined with the form, but that seems way too complicated.
Assuming it doesn't over-ride your weapons, I think that would be pretty cool, watching a Were-wolf Ranger picking off opponents with a bow, or a were-bear Thief shadow stepping in to slash someone with daggers.
I guess that its either 4 elite skills, one for each form, or 1 that gives a random form each time you use the skill. And I guess it will work like the weapon packs for Engineers work. When using a rifle, you have your standard 5 skills to use. But when you arm yourself with a flamethrower it alters your 5 skills for that weapon.
I guess the Bear form is the Raw strength one, most HP and secent dmg.
The Wolf and Cat form can both be some kind of DPS, but works different.
The Raven one I dont know what it could be. Probably fast cooldowns but lowest health of them all.
But thats what I think, nothing confirmed.
I think you just get to choose one form, which would make it your chosen totem. You get skills and abilities that are derived from that. I might be wrong though. That's just how I remember thinking about it when it was discussed a few months back.
I would have prefered shifting into a full animal form, but the were-forms make most sense with in the mechanics of the game. It looks like the four forms will be available for slotting to the last skill slot on the right hand skill bar. I don't think we know what the benefits of the forms will be, or if they alter any of the other skills on your skill bar. (i.e. do you get claw attacks, rather than your weapon skills? Or, do you still have use of your weapons)?
I think it could go either way. 1.) The form offers buffs, but you still have your weapon skills while in the form or 2.) Your form choice acts like a weapon choice, with "weapon skills" linked to each form. From a design perspective, option 1 makes the most sense to me, otherwise your form would be over-riding a lot of the skills associated with your class. A third option would be to have beast form skills that reflect your class combined with the form, but that seems way too complicated.
Assuming it doesn't over-ride your weapons, I think that would be pretty cool, watching a Were-wolf Ranger picking off opponents with a bow, or a were-bear Thief shadow stepping in to slash someone with daggers.
I guess that its either 4 elite skills, one for each form, or 1 that gives a random form each time you use the skill. And I guess it will work like the weapon packs for Engineers work. When using a rifle, you have your standard 5 skills to use. But when you arm yourself with a flamethrower it alters your 5 skills for that weapon.
I guess the Bear form is the Raw strength one, most HP and secent dmg.
The Wolf and Cat form can both be some kind of DPS, but works different.
The Raven one I dont know what it could be. Probably fast cooldowns but lowest health of them all.
But thats what I think, nothing confirmed.
I think you just get to choose one form, which would make it your chosen totem. You get skills and abilities that are derived from that. I might be wrong though. That's just how I remember thinking about it when it was discussed a few months back.
That's what I would have thought myself, but the wiki says
The norn racial skills seen so far are related to their spirits. The player's choice of totem does not restrict the skills and abilities available to the character.
So it seems like everyone has access to all four, but maybe not. It's unattributed, does anyone have a better link?
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I always had the impression that ravens fly but I now know better! Ahem, hopefully they have somekind of signature jump-attack-move "death from above!" at least for the raven form
I might repeat myself but Swain anyone??? Jericho Swain?? League of Legends?? anyone?? Im acclaiming this name in advance!
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
I would have prefered shifting into a full animal form, but the were-forms make most sense with in the mechanics of the game. It looks like the four forms will be available for slotting to the last skill slot on the right hand skill bar. I don't think we know what the benefits of the forms will be, or if they alter any of the other skills on your skill bar. (i.e. do you get claw attacks, rather than your weapon skills? Or, do you still have use of your weapons)?
I think it could go either way. 1.) The form offers buffs, but you still have your weapon skills while in the form or 2.) Your form choice acts like a weapon choice, with "weapon skills" linked to each form. From a design perspective, option 1 makes the most sense to me, otherwise your form would be over-riding a lot of the skills associated with your class. A third option would be to have beast form skills that reflect your class combined with the form, but that seems way too complicated.
Assuming it doesn't over-ride your weapons, I think that would be pretty cool, watching a Were-wolf Ranger picking off opponents with a bow, or a were-bear Thief shadow stepping in to slash someone with daggers.
I guess that its either 4 elite skills, one for each form, or 1 that gives a random form each time you use the skill. And I guess it will work like the weapon packs for Engineers work. When using a rifle, you have your standard 5 skills to use. But when you arm yourself with a flamethrower it alters your 5 skills for that weapon.
I guess the Bear form is the Raw strength one, most HP and secent dmg.
The Wolf and Cat form can both be some kind of DPS, but works different.
The Raven one I dont know what it could be. Probably fast cooldowns but lowest health of them all.
But thats what I think, nothing confirmed.
I think you just get to choose one form, which would make it your chosen totem. You get skills and abilities that are derived from that. I might be wrong though. That's just how I remember thinking about it when it was discussed a few months back.
That's what I would have thought myself, but the wiki says
The norn racial skills seen so far are related to their spirits. The player's choice of totem does not restrict the skills and abilities available to the character.
So it seems like everyone has access to all four, but maybe not. It's unattributed, does anyone have a better link?
Yeah, that could be perfectly accurate. I don't have any kind of official comments about it one way or another, so I'm probably just going by my personal preference for adopting one totem and sticking with it. Realistically, I don't think it would happen though. I'm not sure how many people would be content with just a single animal form. Maybe a poll is in order to satisfy my curiosity...
I always had the impression that ravens fly but I now know better! Ahem, hopefully they have somekind of signature jump-attack-move "death from above!" at least for the raven form
I might repeat myself but Swain anyone??? Jericho Swain?? League of Legends?? anyone?? Im acclaiming this name in advance!
Could you explain a bit further, I have no idea at all what you're talking about
I always had the impression that ravens fly but I now know better! Ahem, hopefully they have somekind of signature jump-attack-move "death from above!" at least for the raven form
I might repeat myself but Swain anyone??? Jericho Swain?? League of Legends?? anyone?? Im acclaiming this name in advance!
Could you explain a bit further, I have no idea at all what you're talking about
Swain is a hero from the MOBA game League of Legends. He has a companion bird, a raven.
About the mechanic I think this will work like Necro's Lich form and Engineer Flame Thrower. Norn forms replace first 5 skills. Snow Leopard for instance is mix of Thief skills, Bear form(probably warrior), etc. But as the devs said, this skills will be less effective then the proffessions they represent.
Have you guys not seen the "Jump Shot" of the Engineer? I am almost 99% positive the Raven will have a serious jump-based skill set. Bear will have knockbacks of course, and Leopard will probably have some "Charging uber-speed stuff." The Wolf and Leopard are kind of a toss-up on whatever their battle focus will be. But jump skills have been in since at least the Engineer, so a BIRD will most likely have osme of those skills incorporated into it's skill set. Bear is a monster, it seems highly unlikely for the playstyle being anything but knockdown/back skills. You know? If you think logic is flawed, offer a counterpoint.
I think I'll weigh in with my own opinion now. I am going to choose Raven as my totem spirit during character creation because I appreciate the ideals of wisdom and cunning. However, I'm definitely going to make Bear my form of choice.
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Love the screen shots man and thx for putting those up. I would say for me the interest is more in the lore of the totems and why they are able to shapechange. The raven being the the totem of trickery and the dead is the one i would choose. Not an rp player myself but i think the totems history offers alot of backstory people will be able to play off of. Once again nice find man.
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Nice. Can ravens fly or are you forced to hover or hop around?
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I had no idea they would be able to transform, awesome. To the OP, of all the reasons one could possibly boycot a game for this seems like more of an excuse rather than a reason. Surely all the positives outweigh this (what you see as one anyway) negative if you were genuinely interested in the first place.
looking at the pic -- im inclined to say hop!
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I'm thinking you run. You know, on legs.
That makes way too much sense :P
I always had the impression that ravens fly but I now know better! Ahem, hopefully they have somekind of signature jump-attack-move "death from above!" at least for the raven form
The raven looks a bit too much like an owlbear for my taste. The rest looks fine, I think me norn will be a wolf.
Well then that brings up the question when did you see a 10ft 300lb raven that flew?
When Norn shapeshift they do not just become the animal they become a wereform of said animal. So more like someone becoming a werewolf then someone becoming a wolf! Last time I checked the myths Werewolves did not act exactly like a wolf so why would a wereraven act exactly like a raven?
This particular thread of the conversation has officially accumulated more than its maximum alotment of logic. Cease and desist the reasonable discourse at once, or face the threat of losing all future logic points for an indeterminate period of time.
Myths all have variations in the description of were-creatures. Some tell the stories with the person becoming the animal and some with it being a mix of the two. Heck there are myths of creatures made up of a good number of different animals.
Im also thinking that a 10ft Raven wouldn't weigh 300lbs and would be considerably lighter due to hollow bones etc
Point taken, though if the raven were bigger its wings would be bigger too to perhaps be able to lift up the weight momentarily if not indefinately! Anyway it's good that it wont fly, this game would go downhill if it were to introduce "flight forms" of anykind, though I'd still love to see a special move that launched the raven into the air and onto the foes below.
I would have prefered shifting into a full animal form, but the were-forms make most sense with in the mechanics of the game. It looks like the four forms will be available for slotting to the last skill slot on the right hand skill bar. I don't think we know what the benefits of the forms will be, or if they alter any of the other skills on your skill bar. (i.e. do you get claw attacks, rather than your weapon skills? Or, do you still have use of your weapons)?
I think it could go either way. 1.) The form offers buffs, but you still have your weapon skills while in the form or 2.) Your form choice acts like a weapon choice, with "weapon skills" linked to each form. From a design perspective, option 1 makes the most sense to me, otherwise your form would be over-riding a lot of the skills associated with your class. A third option would be to have beast form skills that reflect your class combined with the form, but that seems way too complicated.
Assuming it doesn't over-ride your weapons, I think that would be pretty cool, watching a Were-wolf Ranger picking off opponents with a bow, or a were-bear Thief shadow stepping in to slash someone with daggers.
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I guess that its either 4 elite skills, one for each form, or 1 that gives a random form each time you use the skill. And I guess it will work like the weapon packs for Engineers work. When using a rifle, you have your standard 5 skills to use. But when you arm yourself with a flamethrower it alters your 5 skills for that weapon.
I guess the Bear form is the Raw strength one, most HP and secent dmg.
The Wolf and Cat form can both be some kind of DPS, but works different.
The Raven one I dont know what it could be. Probably fast cooldowns but lowest health of them all.
But thats what I think, nothing confirmed.
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I think you just get to choose one form, which would make it your chosen totem. You get skills and abilities that are derived from that. I might be wrong though. That's just how I remember thinking about it when it was discussed a few months back.
That's what I would have thought myself, but the wiki says
The norn racial skills seen so far are related to their spirits. The player's choice of totem does not restrict the skills and abilities available to the character.
So it seems like everyone has access to all four, but maybe not. It's unattributed, does anyone have a better link?
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
I might repeat myself but Swain anyone??? Jericho Swain?? League of Legends?? anyone??
Im acclaiming this name in advance!
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
Yeah, that could be perfectly accurate. I don't have any kind of official comments about it one way or another, so I'm probably just going by my personal preference for adopting one totem and sticking with it. Realistically, I don't think it would happen though. I'm not sure how many people would be content with just a single animal form. Maybe a poll is in order to satisfy my curiosity...
Could you explain a bit further, I have no idea at all what you're talking about
Swain is a hero from the MOBA game League of Legends. He has a companion bird, a raven.
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Raven looks cool
About the mechanic I think this will work like Necro's Lich form and Engineer Flame Thrower. Norn forms replace first 5 skills. Snow Leopard for instance is mix of Thief skills, Bear form(probably warrior), etc. But as the devs said, this skills will be less effective then the proffessions they represent.
Oh okay, ty!
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Have you guys not seen the "Jump Shot" of the Engineer? I am almost 99% positive the Raven will have a serious jump-based skill set. Bear will have knockbacks of course, and Leopard will probably have some "Charging uber-speed stuff." The Wolf and Leopard are kind of a toss-up on whatever their battle focus will be. But jump skills have been in since at least the Engineer, so a BIRD will most likely have osme of those skills incorporated into it's skill set. Bear is a monster, it seems highly unlikely for the playstyle being anything but knockdown/back skills. You know? If you think logic is flawed, offer a counterpoint.
I think I'll weigh in with my own opinion now. I am going to choose Raven as my totem spirit during character creation because I appreciate the ideals of wisdom and cunning. However, I'm definitely going to make Bear my form of choice.