Funny, even tho I was a kid when the Original Trilogy was in the movie and thus loved the old version, I always felt the makeover was a huge improvement.
So you like the new ending in Return of the Jedi were you see all the planets cheering and even a shot of a Jar Jar creature?
You like the muppet music scene at Jabba's palace in Empire strikes back?
You like the additional critters and creatures on Tatooine in Star Wars?
The thing of Han shooting first never was an issue for me. It was a dangerous and dead situation. Who was faster pulling the trigger here never was a matter for me. *shrug*
Actually it wasn't. I just now watched the original scene. Greebo or whatever he is called has a gun pointed at Han.
He was not planning on shooting him at all but take him to Jabba. Han was the ice cold killer in that particular scene.
And it set a good cool adult tone for the rest of the film.
A 70's scifi comic/pulp book vibe. Which was lost when they altered that (in my opinion) pretty important scene. (important to the vibe/feel/atmosphere of the film)
Greedo let han know he was going to die so Han blasted him. It was the only choice he had.
Han Solo: Yes, Greedo. I was just going to see your boss. Tell Jabba I've got his money.
Greedo: It's too late. You should have paid him when you had the chance. Jabba's put a price on your head so large, every bounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking for you. I'm lucky I found you first.
I can feel your anger. This game is defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike this game down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards towards the Dark Side will be complete.
Funny, even tho I was a kid when the Original Trilogy was in the movie and thus loved the old version, I always felt the makeover was a huge improvement.
So you like the new ending in Return of the Jedi were you see all the planets cheering and even a shot of a Jar Jar creature?
You like the muppet music scene at Jabba's palace in Empire strikes back?
You like the additional critters and creatures on Tatooine in Star Wars?
The thing of Han shooting first never was an issue for me. It was a dangerous and dead situation. Who was faster pulling the trigger here never was a matter for me. *shrug*
Actually it wasn't. I just now watched the original scene. Greebo or whatever he is called has a gun pointed at Han.
He was not planning on shooting him at all but take him to Jabba. Han was the ice cold killer in that particular scene.
And it set a good cool adult tone for the rest of the film.
A 70's scifi comic/pulp book vibe. Which was lost when they altered that (in my opinion) pretty important scene. (important to the vibe/feel/atmosphere of the film)
Greedo let han know he was going to die so Han blasted him. It was the only choice he had.
Han Solo: Yes, Greedo. I was just going to see your boss. Tell Jabba I've got his money.
Greedo: It's too late. You should have paid him when you had the chance. Jabba's put a price on your head so large, every bounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking for you. I'm lucky I found you first.
Funny, even tho I was a kid when the Original Trilogy was in the movie and thus loved the old version, I always felt the makeover was a huge improvement.
So you like the new ending in Return of the Jedi were you see all the planets cheering and even a shot of a Jar Jar creature?
You like the muppet music scene at Jabba's palace in Empire strikes back?
You like the additional critters and creatures on Tatooine in Star Wars?
The thing of Han shooting first never was an issue for me. It was a dangerous and dead situation. Who was faster pulling the trigger here never was a matter for me. *shrug*
Actually it wasn't. I just now watched the original scene. Greebo or whatever he is called has a gun pointed at Han.
He was not planning on shooting him at all but take him to Jabba. Han was the ice cold killer in that particular scene.
And it set a good cool adult tone for the rest of the film.
A 70's scifi comic/pulp book vibe. Which was lost when they altered that (in my opinion) pretty important scene. (important to the vibe/feel/atmosphere of the film)
Greedo let han know he was going to die so Han blasted him. It was the only choice he had.
Han Solo: Yes, Greedo. I was just going to see your boss. Tell Jabba I've got his money.
Greedo: It's too late. You should have paid him when you had the chance. Jabba's put a price on your head so large, every bounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking for you. I'm lucky I found you first.
Greedo: You can tell that to Jabba. At best, he may only take your ship.
Obviously Greedo wanted to take Han to go see Jabba. Alive.
To me Greedo never was saying that for serious. I mean, I understand it is up to interpretation, but essentially I always thought it was a life and death situation for Han, either way.
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I guess everybody knows by now that in the blu ray version Vader now says "NO" and then again "Nooooo" when the emperor is trying to kill Luke and Vader throws him over the rail?
Like :1.) Added Jabba sequence to A New Hope. This was a deleted scene that was added back in thanks to being able to erase the actor who is playing jabba. 2.) Inserting Ian McDermon in the Empire Strikes Back. Don't see how anyone can object to this one as it makes that scene much better. 3.) The added sequence in the end. To me this just makes sense that the rest of the galaxy would celebrate the fall of the empire. And no, I don't miss that stupid "yup yup" song. The change for me adds more feeling of importance to what just happened and closes the saga better.
Don't Like: 1.) Changin Fett's voice. You could easily just say that Fett's voice sounds different with the mask on. The first voice was much more menacing. 2.) Hayden Christensen in Return of the Jedi. That just makes no sense. If he can come back younger as a ghost, why can't yoda and Obi-wan? 3.) That whole dance sequence in Return of the Jedi. It just seems SO out of place.
The original jabba scene always had muppets. They were LITERALLY (m)puppets, and not CG. And the song at the end of RotJ was even more annoying, as it had Ewoks singing in it.
I didn't mind most of the changes; what bugged me were the things that didn't need changing. The noise Obi-wan makes to scare off the Sand People, for example.
I didn't mind most of the changes; what bugged me were the things that didn't need changing. The noise Obi-wan makes to scare off the Sand People, for example.
Yeah the new krayt dragon scream Obi-Wan Kenobi makes is horrible!
The original jabba scene always had muppets. They were LITERALLY (m)puppets, and not CG. And the song at the end of RotJ was even more annoying, as it had Ewoks singing in it.
I didn't mind most of the changes; what bugged me were the things that didn't need changing. The noise Obi-wan makes to scare off the Sand People, for example.
I know they were muppets, I love that. Muppets>CGI ANY time.
But that STUPID dance music scene at Jabba was completely childish and ridicolous.
I don't like any of the additional scenes and even additional creatures.
I don't like the additional composite shot at Mos Eisley even. Wrecks the 70's atmosphere.
Only thing I don't mind is the upgraded space ships/fight special effects. And perhaps some added detail at cloud city.
Hands off of classic films. I was even pissed of when a TV station aired Mad Max 2 with enhanced colours. Also an atmosphere killer.
I own the trilogy on DVD but its the one where Lucas put all the CGI gunk in it. Its not a huge deal but that song and dance number at Jabbas palace is incredibly painful to watch.
Ive got the original remastered movies on VHS. Havent watched them in a very long time.
Funny, even tho I was a kid when the Original Trilogy was in the movie and thus loved the old version, I always felt the makeover was a huge improvement.
Other than Han shooting first getting changed and the end of "Return of the Jedi", I agree with you.
The original jabba scene always had muppets. They were LITERALLY (m)puppets, and not CG. And the song at the end of RotJ was even more annoying, as it had Ewoks singing in it.
I didn't mind most of the changes; what bugged me were the things that didn't need changing. The noise Obi-wan makes to scare off the Sand People, for example.
I know they were muppets, I love that. Muppets>CGI ANY time.
Don't agree with that. I think CGI creatures can be every bit as believable as puppets, but they can't replace our memories. I'll blab more about that further down.
But that STUPID dance music scene at Jabba was completely childish and ridicolous.
Agree, there. It didn't add anything. better preferred the original "this is silly, we can't make this look believable, lets move on as quickly as possible" attitude during the scene.
I don't like any of the additional scenes and even additional creatures.
Can't comment to that without be annoyingly specific. We probably agree that the effort was wasted.
I don't like the additional composite shot at Mos Eisley even. Wrecks the 70's atmosphere.
I like how ya think regarding the 70's atmosphere...
Only thing I don't mind is the upgraded space ships/fight special effects. And perhaps some added detail at cloud city.
There are some Bespin scenes where I was forced to think, "somehow, the cloud city must make the Millenium Falcon flatter for some reason." Other than that, I was good.
I have a theory about treasured memories that's probably easy for people to get behind, and is the key to nostalgia. "Better 'quality' doesn't necessarily mean 'better'", by perspective. As a kid, I listened to raspy LP's of Elvis and Brenda Lee during Christmas. I now have CD versions of both. But they don't do it, despite being superior. There's SO MUCH to that that will take too long to go over...
Here's where the pro-LP people will show up and say, "well, LP vinyl can reach 80khz where cd's can only do 22khz, and you're hearing that difference!"
BS. Any stereo any non-audio engineer heard from any time before 1980 could not possibly reproduce that difference.
The truth of the matter is, no matter what noise was apparent; the crackling, the popping, the hissing, THAT became PART OF THE MUSIC that you were listening to, and without it, the super hi fidelity, noise free version couldn't pass muster. IT LACKS SOMETHING in our psyches as we search for the fond memory that links us to it.
And so, I theorize that same thing regarding the "horrible" puppets in Mos Eisley. The "rubber embarrassment" that is Yoda, etc, etc. We bought it then because that's as good as it got. And it was plenty good enough.
Well, Lucas doesn't think it's good enough, anymore, and so he tries to "improve" it. From an artists standpoint, it makes perfect sense: Imagine all those characters in Mos Eisley walking around in perfectly believable ways, with full facial reshaping for language and all kinds of amazing stuff.
No matter how real it looked, us nostalgiac folk would hate it. Making it clearer? Fine. But other than the clarity of 1080P, we hate it when the they change something we've already known... even a minor thing.
Since you guys already answered the OPs question, I'll just share my feeling on how the original trilogy stacks up against the redos.
The original untinkered with trilogy was like a fine meal at a luxuary restaraunt, with a snifter of Remy Martin Louis XIII and a couple of Gurkha’s His Majesty’s Reserves, for afters. (Though I felt the Return of the Jedi offered far too large of a desert cart, as it were)
The final redo's where Han shot first, among other insults to fans, I would compare to a Mcdonalds Happy Meal full of Gungan sh*t.
I would say a fine meal at a luxuary restaraunt, with a snifter of Remy Martin Louis XIII and a couple of Gurkha’s His Majesty’s Reserves, for afters.
But someone sprinkled sand over it and you found some hairs as well.
Still a good meal but it could've been so much better and you are constantly reminded how it could have been so much better without the hairs and the sand.
Quite a good analogy.
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Wha..Wha..??!!?? I've never watched the digital remaster of ROTJ, nor Empire. Made the mistake of seeing a new hope in the theater. STill watch my OG vhs's for my star wars fix (han shoots first).. But I've never even seen an image of that, my... lawwwwd...., why, why??
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Which is ridiculous because Han Solo is and has always been one of filmdoms iconic good guys, not becuse he was a lilly white saint, but because he was a mercenary smuggler rogue who went against his nature to fight for a cause, or at least for friends, he beleived in. I wish more film makers, novel and comic writers, and MMO and video game makers F**King understood this It really is truly pathetic that George Lucas seems to have no clue just what about his creation appeals to his fans. If I wanted to watch a kiddified, sanitized, black and white morality, space opera, I'd just watch Starcrash.
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Like :1.) Added Jabba sequence to A New Hope. This was a deleted scene that was added back in thanks to being able to erase the actor who is playing jabba. 2.) Inserting Ian McDermon in the Empire Strikes Back. Don't see how anyone can object to this one as it makes that scene much better. 3.) The added sequence in the end. To me this just makes sense that the rest of the galaxy would celebrate the fall of the empire. And no, I don't miss that stupid "yup yup" song. The change for me adds more feeling of importance to what just happened and closes the saga better.
Don't Like: 1.) Changin Fett's voice. You could easily just say that Fett's voice sounds different with the mask on. The first voice was much more menacing. 2.) Hayden Christensen in Return of the Jedi. That just makes no sense. If he can come back younger as a ghost, why can't yoda and Obi-wan? 3.) That whole dance sequence in Return of the Jedi. It just seems SO out of place.
I pretty much agree with your take on things. A friend and I had a big debate about the Hayden force ghost addition at the time it was added. I hated it, but he was more sympathetic. His argument was that it was him when he was last a Jedi Knight embracing the light side.
Still not a fan but that always tempered my hatred for it. The dance sequence was and always will be a complete abomination.
The latest leaks about the insipid Krayt dragon roar, and Episode 3 style Vader "NoooOooo" might be the worst of his "tweaks"
Must say some of his additions actually add a lot of good to the series, opening up Cloud city was a great call, the old sets were pretty sad. Love the emperor being played by the same actor now in all the films. I think the Wampa is much better the way it is now.
"I have altered the films. PRAY I DON'T ALTER THEM ANY FURTHER." -George Lucas
Ol George need to find some other movie to create so he will keep his hands off this one
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Am I the only person ever who likes the new ending of RotJ? I always hated the original ending. That was basically one of the only changes I liked though.
I remember way back Lucas was discussing effects he'd intended for the original movies and most of these changes *were not* what he had original envisioned. He is a master of making shit up as he goes along I think. One notable change which he has never made but stated he wanted was to show shielding effects when spaceships got hit, some visual representation of the millenium falcon's shields *actually* failing etc. Guess they never figured out how to make that work on screen.
I'm not sold on getting the blu-rays, even with all the extra shite. My dvds are high quality enough even on a HD 52inch screen, I don't really see myself noticing much of an improvement. Saving my money for the 3d versions in ten / twenty years time
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Greedo let han know he was going to die so Han blasted him. It was the only choice he had.
Greedo: [In Huttese; subtitled] Going somewhere, Solo?
Han Solo: Yes, Greedo. I was just going to see your boss. Tell Jabba I've got his money.
Greedo: It's too late. You should have paid him when you had the chance. Jabba's put a price on your head so large, every bounty hunter in the galaxy will be looking for you. I'm lucky I found you first.
Han Solo: Yeah, but this time I've got the money.
Greedo: If you give it to me, I might forget I found you.
Han Solo: [stealthily going for his blaster] I don't have it with me. Tell Jabba...
Greedo: Jabba's through with you! He has no use for smugglers who drop their shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser.
Han Solo: Even I get boarded sometimes. Do you think I had a choice?
Greedo: You can tell that to Jabba. At best, he may only take your ship.
Han Solo: Over my dead body!
Greedo: That's the idea... I've been looking forward to this for a long time.
Han Solo: Yeah, I'll bet you have.
[Han blasts Greedo, then heads out, tossing the bartender a coin]
Han Solo: Sorry about the mess.
I can feel your anger. This game is defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike this game down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards towards the Dark Side will be complete.
Greedo: You can tell that to Jabba. At best, he may only take your ship.
Obviously Greedo wanted to take Han to go see Jabba. Alive.
To me Greedo never was saying that for serious. I mean, I understand it is up to interpretation, but essentially I always thought it was a life and death situation for Han, either way.
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That's also a possibility yeah.
Greedo: That's the idea... I've been looking forward to this for a long time.
I guess everybody knows by now that in the blu ray version Vader now says "NO" and then again "Nooooo" when the emperor is trying to kill Luke and Vader throws him over the rail?
If not, then buyer beware.
Like :1.) Added Jabba sequence to A New Hope. This was a deleted scene that was added back in thanks to being able to erase the actor who is playing jabba. 2.) Inserting Ian McDermon in the Empire Strikes Back. Don't see how anyone can object to this one as it makes that scene much better. 3.) The added sequence in the end. To me this just makes sense that the rest of the galaxy would celebrate the fall of the empire. And no, I don't miss that stupid "yup yup" song. The change for me adds more feeling of importance to what just happened and closes the saga better.
Don't Like: 1.) Changin Fett's voice. You could easily just say that Fett's voice sounds different with the mask on. The first voice was much more menacing. 2.) Hayden Christensen in Return of the Jedi. That just makes no sense. If he can come back younger as a ghost, why can't yoda and Obi-wan? 3.) That whole dance sequence in Return of the Jedi. It just seems SO out of place.
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wait for the remastered version where jar-jar plays gunganball with trade federation droids.
Maybe they'll add some jedi in the background along with some TKms beating up on stormtroopers.
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The original jabba scene always had muppets. They were LITERALLY (m)puppets, and not CG. And the song at the end of RotJ was even more annoying, as it had Ewoks singing in it.
I didn't mind most of the changes; what bugged me were the things that didn't need changing. The noise Obi-wan makes to scare off the Sand People, for example.
The latest changes.
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/nooo-george-lucas-makes-more-changes-original-trilogy-191605319.html
Don't forget the deleted scene where Han and Luke sit outside Coronet spaceport waiting in line for Doc buffs. ;P
Yeah the new krayt dragon scream Obi-Wan Kenobi makes is horrible!
I know they were muppets, I love that. Muppets>CGI ANY time.
But that STUPID dance music scene at Jabba was completely childish and ridicolous.
I don't like any of the additional scenes and even additional creatures.
I don't like the additional composite shot at Mos Eisley even. Wrecks the 70's atmosphere.
Only thing I don't mind is the upgraded space ships/fight special effects. And perhaps some added detail at cloud city.
Hands off of classic films. I was even pissed of when a TV station aired Mad Max 2 with enhanced colours. Also an atmosphere killer.
I own the trilogy on DVD but its the one where Lucas put all the CGI gunk in it. Its not a huge deal but that song and dance number at Jabbas palace is incredibly painful to watch.
Ive got the original remastered movies on VHS. Havent watched them in a very long time.
Just curious, why was it changed?
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To make Han more of a good guy off course.
You know, for the kids.
Quite a good analogy.
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Wha..Wha..??!!?? I've never watched the digital remaster of ROTJ, nor Empire. Made the mistake of seeing a new hope in the theater. STill watch my OG vhs's for my star wars fix (han shoots first).. But I've never even seen an image of that, my... lawwwwd...., why, why??
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
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Actually, Han was originally supposed to have shot second. It was an editing error that has finally be corrected. Lucas=God, end of story.Which is ridiculous because Han Solo is and has always been one of filmdoms iconic good guys, not becuse he was a lilly white saint, but because he was a mercenary smuggler rogue who went against his nature to fight for a cause, or at least for friends, he beleived in. I wish more film makers, novel and comic writers, and MMO and video game makers F**King understood this It really is truly pathetic that George Lucas seems to have no clue just what about his creation appeals to his fans. If I wanted to watch a kiddified, sanitized, black and white morality, space opera, I'd just watch Starcrash.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
I pretty much agree with your take on things. A friend and I had a big debate about the Hayden force ghost addition at the time it was added. I hated it, but he was more sympathetic. His argument was that it was him when he was last a Jedi Knight embracing the light side.
Still not a fan but that always tempered my hatred for it. The dance sequence was and always will be a complete abomination.
The latest leaks about the insipid Krayt dragon roar, and Episode 3 style Vader "NoooOooo" might be the worst of his "tweaks"
Must say some of his additions actually add a lot of good to the series, opening up Cloud city was a great call, the old sets were pretty sad. Love the emperor being played by the same actor now in all the films. I think the Wampa is much better the way it is now.
"I have altered the films. PRAY I DON'T ALTER THEM ANY FURTHER." -George Lucas
Ol George need to find some other movie to create so he will keep his hands off this one
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Am I the only person ever who likes the new ending of RotJ? I always hated the original ending. That was basically one of the only changes I liked though.
PS: Han shot first!
I remember way back Lucas was discussing effects he'd intended for the original movies and most of these changes *were not* what he had original envisioned. He is a master of making shit up as he goes along I think. One notable change which he has never made but stated he wanted was to show shielding effects when spaceships got hit, some visual representation of the millenium falcon's shields *actually* failing etc. Guess they never figured out how to make that work on screen.
I'm not sold on getting the blu-rays, even with all the extra shite. My dvds are high quality enough even on a HD 52inch screen, I don't really see myself noticing much of an improvement. Saving my money for the 3d versions in ten / twenty years time