its also a nice way to make even less players leave, get it in your head, P2P+ CS = losing a hell lots of players
By that logic, WoW would be in dire straits with theirs.
Like others have said, don't like the idea, don't buy the game. Everyone gets along, but it IS here to stay until the 'people' that make it profitable stop using it.
And please refrain from calling them down, they're ppl like you and me that have different ideas on how they'd like to play their game. Your view is no better or worse then anyone else's. So get it in your head, Different strokes for different folks, Mkay?
course because the most inteligent, human beings play wow, the same people who think wow is the first MMoRPG and blizzard will never try to sell a game with you can buy in game items using a AH and we can always trust Kotic, he would never think on milk money from any of his products
WOW is the king and it will always be,i don't see the game going lower anytime soon.
PS:I don't play wow anymore.
Why not? Unless the items in their CS differ from WoW and the game mechanics? Better stat gear? Stat pots? Uber weps?
If it's all fluff, then yes it is like WoW and the ideology is only different. Both are in it to make more money, though WoW doesn't really need it right, they over 11 Million players!!! lol
Greed is greed and mmo's are big business now, all I'm saying is there is a market for it as plainly seen up to date, and the vocal minority can either pass on the game or just not buy anything from the cs.
Originally posted by Moirae Originally posted by Zadawn
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by alkarionlog its also a nice way to make even less players leave, get it in your head, P2P+ CS = losing a hell lots of players
By that logic, WoW would be in dire straits with theirs. Like others have said, don't like the idea, don't buy the game. Everyone gets along, but it IS here to stay until the 'people' that make it profitable stop using it. And please refrain from calling them down, they're ppl like you and me that have different ideas on how they'd like to play their game. Your view is no better or worse then anyone else's. So get it in your head, Different strokes for different folks, Mkay? you can't compare TSW with WoW, WOW is the king and it will always be,i don't see the game going lower anytime soon. PS:I don't play wow anymore. You really need to do your research. WoW lost nearly a million subscribers in the last year. Even they admitted it. It was all over the news. Do you actually think thats a good thing for a game?
Their loss of players has nothing to do with items being available in the cash shop. The cash shop existed long before the players finally started getting bored. This will last until people can play drunk pandas, at which time their subscriber base will bloom again.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I was wondering if I would find enough time to play this game, this actually solves my problem easily, as I have no interest in cash shop games, it will be easy skipping this game.
By that logic, WoW would be in dire straits with theirs.
Like others have said, don't like the idea, don't buy the game. Everyone gets along, but it IS here to stay until the 'people' that make it profitable stop using it.
And please refrain from calling them down, they're ppl like you and me that have different ideas on how they'd like to play their game. Your view is no better or worse then anyone else's. So get it in your head, Different strokes for different folks, Mkay?
course because the most inteligent, human beings play wow, the same people who think wow is the first MMoRPG and blizzard will never try to sell a game with you can buy in game items using a AH and we can always trust Kotic, he would never think on milk money from any of his products
/sarcasm off
Your sarcasm notwithstanding, that's exactly what I'm saying. Greed is greed, and until the players who play the game, not the big bad evil corp exec, decide to show what think about said greed with their money with enough force to change things.
Your rants and condescension are largely unheard and irrelevant. (To the corps of course)
its also a nice way to make even less players leave, get it in your head, P2P+ CS = losing a hell lots of players
By that logic, WoW would be in dire straits with theirs.
Like others have said, don't like the idea, don't buy the game. Everyone gets along, but it IS here to stay until the 'people' that make it profitable stop using it.
And please refrain from calling them down, they're ppl like you and me that have different ideas on how they'd like to play their game. Your view is no better or worse then anyone else's. So get it in your head, Different strokes for different folks, Mkay?
you can't compare TSW with WoW,
WOW is the king and it will always be,i don't see the game going lower anytime soon.
PS:I don't play wow anymore.
You really need to do your research. WoW lost nearly a million subscribers in the last year. Even they admitted it. It was all over the news. Do you actually think thats a good thing for a game?
Their loss of players has nothing to do with items being available in the cash shop. The cash shop existed long before the players finally started getting bored. This will last until people can play drunk pandas, at which time their subscriber base will bloom again.
Where did I say that the loss was because of a cash shop? I said they lost players. Whether there's a cash shop or not doesn't matter. Thats a hell of alot of people for any game to lose in one year, whether you like it or not. People are bored of that game and looking for new ones. Wow is starting to lose steam. Nothing lasts forever.
Cash shops are a way for the companys to keep the game running, pay employees, and expenses
And yet another one that eats the S..T
Yeah they have to make money somehow considering you only pretend you pay a sub after you've already pretended you bought the boxed version.
Do you not know of how business works? Box version and subs can take you a ways, but only so far. Cash doesnt grow on trees.
This just isnt true and is really only a reflection of the corperate justification on the use of CS. Box+sub is fully proftable and a fully realistic way to keep a MMORPG fully developed, supported, and in profit. This has been proven again and again. It is just that a cash shop generates MORE profit over and above that, and this is why it is so attractive to corperate greed.
While end users like you argue for less value and a worse deal for the consumer though I guess the devs will be able to do whatever they want.
Cash shops are a way for the companys to keep the game running, pay employees, and expenses
And yet another one that eats the S..T
Yeah they have to make money somehow considering you only pretend you pay a sub after you've already pretended you bought the boxed version.
Do you not know of how business works? Box version and subs can take you a ways, but only so far. Cash doesnt grow on trees.
This just isnt true and is really only a reflection of the corperate justification on the use of CS. Box+sub is fully proftable and a fully realistic way to keep a MMORPG fully developed, supported, and in profit. This has been proven again and again. It is just that a cash shop generates MORE profit over and above that, and this is why it is so attractive to corperate greed.
While end users like you argue for less value and a worse deal for the consumer though I guess the devs will be able to do whatever they want.
Face it, wow is old. Whether people like it or not, its starting to decrease. Its just as bad as when I a just released game releases a free trial within a month of opening (aka Rift). Its not a good sign.
And frankly, people are starting to get sick to death of the greed. These companies keep this up they will find out just how ok people are with being nickle and dimed to death.
Cash shops are a way for the companys to keep the game running, pay employees, and expenses
And yet another one that eats the S..T
Yeah they have to make money somehow considering you only pretend you pay a sub after you've already pretended you bought the boxed version.
Do you not know of how business works? Box version and subs can take you a ways, but only so far. Cash doesnt grow on trees.
While end users like you argue for less value and a worse deal for the consumer though I guess the devs will be able to do whatever they want.
Business doed what it wants most of the time anyway. How much do you reall think its costs that restaurant for that plate of food? How much does that car truly cost to make? Does that CEo really deserve $250 million salary plus incentives?
You have just rationalised yoursef into being a powerless consumer.
its also a nice way to make even less players leave, get it in your head, P2P+ CS = losing a hell lots of players
By that logic, WoW would be in dire straits with theirs.
Like others have said, don't like the idea, don't buy the game. Everyone gets along, but it IS here to stay until the 'people' that make it profitable stop using it.
And please refrain from calling them down, they're ppl like you and me that have different ideas on how they'd like to play their game. Your view is no better or worse then anyone else's. So get it in your head, Different strokes for different folks, Mkay?
course because the most inteligent, human beings play wow, the same people who think wow is the first MMoRPG and blizzard will never try to sell a game with you can buy in game items using a AH and we can always trust Kotic, he would never think on milk money from any of his products
/sarcasm off
Actually if you look at the demographic data for WOW and its playerbase, it contradicts what most people believe who the "average" WOW player is. As a matter of fact, most WOW players I know are older (25+), professionals with careers and families and actually played MMO's for quite sometime.
Sure, not every WOW player is like that but the data proves otherwise.
Face it, wow is old. Whether people like it or not, its starting to decrease. Its just as bad as when I a just released game releases a free trial within a month of opening (aka Rift). Its not a good sign.
And frankly, people are starting to get sick to death of the greed. These companies keep this up they will find out just how ok people are with being nickle and dimed to death.
I totally agree, I stopped playing because it IS old and stale.
And yes greed is also a tired concept, because it goes back to the friggin' stoneage.
Like everything in this world, change is sometimes violent and drasitc, and often needed. I don't like the status quo of things, the thing I can do is vote with my wallet.
However, for those people that don't mind or even like spending their extra cash to by that shiny pet or superfluous mount, who are we to stay how to spend their money? If the present trend is that more players than not buy the fluff, then we have little choice but to respect them and understand why a business, who's sole priority is to make money, institutes a way to inject more cash.
Cash shops are a way for the companys to keep the game running, pay employees, and expenses
And yet another one that eats the S..T
Yeah they have to make money somehow considering you only pretend you pay a sub after you've already pretended you bought the boxed version.
Do you not know of how business works? Box version and subs can take you a ways, but only so far. Cash doesnt grow on trees.
This just isnt true and is really only a reflection of the corperate justification on the use of CS. Box+sub is fully proftable and a fully realistic way to keep a MMORPG fully developed, supported, and in profit. This has been proven again and again. It is just that a cash shop generates MORE profit over and above that, and this is why it is so attractive to corperate greed.
Who are you or anyone to say how much a company is allowed to make? Russia is that way----->
While end users like you argue for less value and a worse deal for the consumer though I guess the devs will be able to do whatever they want.
Stop putting words in other peoples mouths please. I never said this or advocated that.
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care. Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
Cash shops are a way for the companys to keep the game running, pay employees, and expenses
And yet another one that eats the S..T
Yeah they have to make money somehow considering you only pretend you pay a sub after you've already pretended you bought the boxed version.
Do you not know of how business works? Box version and subs can take you a ways, but only so far. Cash doesnt grow on trees.
While end users like you argue for less value and a worse deal for the consumer though I guess the devs will be able to do whatever they want.
Business doed what it wants most of the time anyway. How much do you reall think its costs that restaurant for that plate of food? How much does that car truly cost to make? Does that CEo really deserve $250 million salary plus incentives?
You have just rationalised yoursef into being a powerless consumer.
Gratz!
Nope, I have power. First I have the power to understand trends and the fights that are worth it. I want to play TSW so therefore I must accept the cash shop. I do not see it as a big deal. Like others, it does not bother me.
Secondly, I can do the main thing a consumer can do and that is vote with my wallet. If I do not want to buy the game or support the company, that is my choice. However, in this case, I do not think there is anything to cry "chicken little" about. There are much more serious issues plaguing our society and world than worrying about a cash ship in a video game that people can choose to play or not. A cash shop which reflects the overall trend in MMO's. Nothing to worry about or see here.
No I will take my power and apply it to fights that matter - poverty, hunger and the like...thnibgs that truly matter and affect soceity as a whole.
since you are so noble and wish to change the world like that, stop playing MMos they just make you spend your time when you could be helping others, go out and save the world, go
Cash shops are a way for the companys to keep the game running, pay employees, and expenses
And yet another one that eats the S..T
Yeah they have to make money somehow considering you only pretend you pay a sub after you've already pretended you bought the boxed version.
Do you not know of how business works? Box version and subs can take you a ways, but only so far. Cash doesnt grow on trees.
This just isnt true and is really only a reflection of the corperate justification on the use of CS. Box+sub is fully proftable and a fully realistic way to keep a MMORPG fully developed, supported, and in profit. This has been proven again and again. It is just that a cash shop generates MORE profit over and above that, and this is why it is so attractive to corperate greed.
Who are you or anyone to say how much a company is allowed to make? Russia is that way----->
While end users like you argue for less value and a worse deal for the consumer though I guess the devs will be able to do whatever they want.
Stop putting words in other peoples mouths please. I never said this or advocated that.
Oh please. Stop defending greed. This country was founded on principles of getting away from the rich (at the time it was the royalty, now the royalty is the rich top 2% without the title) controlling everything. Instead, there's an odd faction in this country that actually defends letting companies nickle and dime you to death so you end up living on the street. Enough already.
Greed is not good. It never has been, and it never will be. Greed causes 99% of the problems on this planet.
Yes, you have the freedom to vote with your money, but there is always someone else to take that money. If the whole industry goes to this "greed is good" mentality, then we all get screwed. These companies need to know that this is not ok. If they instituted something where a sub got everything that came with a game, with varying levels of subscription right down to an item mall, that would be different. But thats not what happens. Instead, subs get only a portion of the game and have to buy the rest. Thats pure greed. Nothing else.
And as evidenced by SOE's behavior, starting with the "its only going to be fluff" line is a slippery slope. Sooner or later, it will be items that matter to play the game. Then the subs will start getting screwed. Its only a matter of time. We have our proof.
I'm sick to death of being nickle and dimed to death by everyone on the bloody planet. I'm paying you, so give me what I'm paying for, and stop screwing me over all the time.
Cash shops are a way for the companys to keep the game running, pay employees, and expenses
And yet another one that eats the S..T
Yeah they have to make money somehow considering you only pretend you pay a sub after you've already pretended you bought the boxed version.
Do you not know of how business works? Box version and subs can take you a ways, but only so far. Cash doesnt grow on trees.
This just isnt true and is really only a reflection of the corperate justification on the use of CS. Box+sub is fully proftable and a fully realistic way to keep a MMORPG fully developed, supported, and in profit. This has been proven again and again. It is just that a cash shop generates MORE profit over and above that, and this is why it is so attractive to corperate greed.
Who are you or anyone to say how much a company is allowed to make? Russia is that way----->
While end users like you argue for less value and a worse deal for the consumer though I guess the devs will be able to do whatever they want.
Stop putting words in other peoples mouths please. I never said this or advocated that.
Rabbit, you have opted for a really cheap way of responding here, which is dssapointing. Saying crap like 'Russia is that way'... really? It really adds nothing to your point or credibility, and in fact encourages me to dismiss anything you say from here on in out of hand as pure idiot.
I didnt put words in your mouth. I didnt quote you or pretend to quote you, or even paraphrase you. I made a personal observation on your standpoint based on what I read from you, and I stand by it.
But.. whatever. You carry on being a drone mouthing the corperate line for whatever reason you do.
since you are so noble and wish to change the world like that, stop playing MMos they just make you spend your time when you could be helping others, go out and save the world, go
Right, and your comments are the most virtuous and plainly the voice of reason?
I am looking forward to playing this game with a cash shop. As an Illuminati I want an Amulet of Unending Cash Drain that will cause little green $$ signs to float around my character in game. Another effect of the amulet should make it so when you walk, instead of just the normal footstep sound, there would be the tinkling sound that's made from someone walking with a pocket full of change. I would buy that item.
Also, it would be great if The Secret War which connects to your Facebook account would email, text, and call you simultaneously to let you know about the latest and greatest new releases and sales available in the cash shop. That is some priceless MMO-Facebook interaction--an amazing innovation in the market.
have been really looking forward to this game, but ... its not even out yet and already hearing bad things about the game, P2P + Microtransactions = Epic Fail.. the more i hear about this game, the more im beginning to think its one to avoid.. given TSW's concept.. i had huge hopes for this game too.. but not anymore.
Oh please. Stop defending greed. This country was founded on principles of getting away from the rich (at the time it was the royalty, now the royalty is the rich top 2% without the title) controlling everything. Instead, there's an odd faction in this country that actually defends letting companies nickle and dime you to death so you end up living on the street. Enough already.
Greed is not good. It never has been, and it never will be. Greed causes 99% of the problems on this planet.
Yes, you have the freedom to vote with your money, but there is always someone else to take that money. If the whole industry goes to this "greed is good" mentality, then we all get screwed. These companies need to know that this is not ok. If they instituted something where a sub got everything that came with a game, with varying levels of subscription right down to an item mall, that would be different. But thats not what happens. Instead, subs get only a portion of the game and have to buy the rest. Thats pure greed. Nothing else.
And as evidenced by SOE's behavior, starting with the "its only going to be fluff" line is a slippery slope. Sooner or later, it will be items that matter to play the game. Then the subs will start getting screwed. Its only a matter of time. We have our proof.
I'm sick to death of being nickle and dimed to death by everyone on the bloody planet. I'm paying you, so give me what I'm paying for, and stop screwing me over all the time.
I vehemently disagree with the part in red. I teach collegiate Political Science and the founding of the US was elitism through landed property owners (I.e...the Federalists). Read Charles Beard's An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution..."
Sorry, do not want to turn this into a political discussion or detract from the thread but had to throw that out there.
P2P+cash shop is bs YOU can already see what funcom has done in aoc don't be blind. They had their subscribers pay for ontent and called it an adventure pack and ppl ACTUALLY ACCEPTED IT not only that but bout a 55 dollar pack that came with useless pet mount and some pots. Im just saying i see how funcom treats their subs in one game this one won't be different a sub is to pay for content thats how they justify it and stop with the whole "its a company trying to make money stop complaining" its a company trying to rip off people and if someone disagrees they can complain if everyone is silent no one will realise theres a market for P2P or B2P.
EDIT: ONLY 2 options i will accept! is B2P+ adventure packs/expansions OR P2P cash shop does nothing but kill the game except those who i dono spend all there money become unemployed and die playing games and so forth? which usually makes for a crappy community
Side note to the in red i do agree that is why/ what they told the people at the time but when all was said and done land owners took charge and so forth.
My biggest gripe with cash shops is that it goes against player driven economy and crafting. I would rather they implement those fluff and vanity items into the crafting system. Cash shops arent player driven and dont encourage player interaction. Its unfortunate that this seems the direction of mmorpgs. It detracts from two major game mechanics that make this genre unique.
Cash shops are a way for the companys to keep the game running, pay employees, and expenses
And yet another one that eats the S..T
Yeah they have to make money somehow considering you only pretend you pay a sub after you've already pretended you bought the boxed version.
Do you not know of how business works? Box version and subs can take you a ways, but only so far. Cash doesnt grow on trees.
This just isnt true and is really only a reflection of the corperate justification on the use of CS. Box+sub is fully proftable and a fully realistic way to keep a MMORPG fully developed, supported, and in profit. This has been proven again and again. It is just that a cash shop generates MORE profit over and above that, and this is why it is so attractive to corperate greed.
Who are you or anyone to say how much a company is allowed to make? Russia is that way----->
While end users like you argue for less value and a worse deal for the consumer though I guess the devs will be able to do whatever they want.
Stop putting words in other peoples mouths please. I never said this or advocated that.
Oh please. Stop defending greed. This country was founded on principles of getting away from the rich (at the time it was the royalty, now the royalty is the rich top 2% without the title) controlling everything. Instead, there's an odd faction in this country that actually defends letting companies nickle and dime you to death so you end up living on the street. Enough already.
Greed is not good. It never has been, and it never will be. Greed causes 99% of the problems on this planet.
Yes, you have the freedom to vote with your money, but there is always someone else to take that money. If the whole industry goes to this "greed is good" mentality, then we all get screwed. These companies need to know that this is not ok. If they instituted something where a sub got everything that came with a game, with varying levels of subscription right down to an item mall, that would be different. But thats not what happens. Instead, subs get only a portion of the game and have to buy the rest. Thats pure greed. Nothing else.
And as evidenced by SOE's behavior, starting with the "its only going to be fluff" line is a slippery slope. Sooner or later, it will be items that matter to play the game. Then the subs will start getting screwed. Its only a matter of time. We have our proof.
I'm sick to death of being nickle and dimed to death by everyone on the bloody planet. I'm paying you, so give me what I'm paying for, and stop screwing me over all the time.
I agree with most of your statement about greed itself, but IMO you misinterpreting my words. Im not defending greed im defending the right or ability to make money. The two do not always go hand in hand. Where do you draw the line? How much is too much? Sadly people will try to justify taking away from others to make themselves feel better or tell a company what they can and cant do. Not everyone in this world is a bad or evil person. neither are all all MMO companies.
If you dont like being nickeled and dime..as I stated earlier pages ago...dont play the game. Its that easy. The individual says what is best for them.
Again i will reinterate and be done with this: I dont care about cash shops. I doesnt bother me that a company has them. I will choose to use them or not. If i dont like what a company does i will not purchase thier products. If you dont like cash shop that your business not mine. Dont tell me how i should think or feel about cash shops. My opinion isnt anymore or less wrong than yours.
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care. Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
Originally posted by Moirae Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by Moirae
Originally posted by Zadawn
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by alkarionlog its also a nice way to make even less players leave, get it in your head, P2P+ CS = losing a hell lots of players
By that logic, WoW would be in dire straits with theirs. Like others have said, don't like the idea, don't buy the game. Everyone gets along, but it IS here to stay until the 'people' that make it profitable stop using it. And please refrain from calling them down, they're ppl like you and me that have different ideas on how they'd like to play their game. Your view is no better or worse then anyone else's. So get it in your head, Different strokes for different folks, Mkay? you can't compare TSW with WoW, WOW is the king and it will always be,i don't see the game going lower anytime soon. PS:I don't play wow anymore. You really need to do your research. WoW lost nearly a million subscribers in the last year. Even they admitted it. It was all over the news. Do you actually think thats a good thing for a game? Their loss of players has nothing to do with items being available in the cash shop. The cash shop existed long before the players finally started getting bored. This will last until people can play drunk pandas, at which time their subscriber base will bloom again. Where did I say that the loss was because of a cash shop? I said they lost players. Whether there's a cash shop or not doesn't matter. Thats a hell of alot of people for any game to lose in one year, whether you like it or not. People are bored of that game and looking for new ones. Wow is starting to lose steam. Nothing lasts forever.
This particular conversation started because alkarionlog said CS+Sub=Lost Players. You referenced WoW losing a million players (which they did). This conversation is about cash shops in games that have subs (TSW being the main subject). Then I posted.
Players stating that having a cash shop along with a sub is a disincentive for a lot of people to play are wrong. It's certainly a disincentive for some people, but for most people it's a non-issue and depending on what's in the cash shop, it's an incentive to play so you can get shinies.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Despite what the vocal minority here with wads of extra cash to blow on virutal items say, EA and Funcom just knifed TSW in the back, hard. Indeed, I'd call it a death blow. Fact is the majority of gamers don't have extra money to spend like that. THose that follow sites like this will warn their friends, and they won't buy it. As for the rest, they will buy it and TSW will have a decent to good launch retail showing. Then those gamers will see the cash shop, realize it for what it is (wondering why the hell do I have to buy more crap just to play the game I already paid a lump sum for and am paying monthly for) and cancel their subscriptions.
Especially if TSW launch is anywhere near what the AoC launch was like.
My prediction: Within 2 years from launch of TSW will see EA bring in Funcom (read: buy out) and within 5 years the EA Funcom branch will be shuttered.
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course because the most inteligent, human beings play wow, the same people who think wow is the first MMoRPG and blizzard will never try to sell a game with you can buy in game items using a AH and we can always trust Kotic, he would never think on milk money from any of his products
/sarcasm off
Why not? Unless the items in their CS differ from WoW and the game mechanics? Better stat gear? Stat pots? Uber weps?
If it's all fluff, then yes it is like WoW and the ideology is only different. Both are in it to make more money, though WoW doesn't really need it right, they over 11 Million players!!! lol
Greed is greed and mmo's are big business now, all I'm saying is there is a market for it as plainly seen up to date, and the vocal minority can either pass on the game or just not buy anything from the cs.
Like others have said, don't like the idea, don't buy the game. Everyone gets along, but it IS here to stay until the 'people' that make it profitable stop using it.
And please refrain from calling them down, they're ppl like you and me that have different ideas on how they'd like to play their game. Your view is no better or worse then anyone else's. So get it in your head, Different strokes for different folks, Mkay?
you can't compare TSW with WoW,
WOW is the king and it will always be,i don't see the game going lower anytime soon.
PS:I don't play wow anymore.
You really need to do your research. WoW lost nearly a million subscribers in the last year. Even they admitted it. It was all over the news. Do you actually think thats a good thing for a game?
Their loss of players has nothing to do with items being available in the cash shop. The cash shop existed long before the players finally started getting bored. This will last until people can play drunk pandas, at which time their subscriber base will bloom again.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I was wondering if I would find enough time to play this game, this actually solves my problem easily, as I have no interest in cash shop games, it will be easy skipping this game.
Your sarcasm notwithstanding, that's exactly what I'm saying. Greed is greed, and until the players who play the game, not the big bad evil corp exec, decide to show what think about said greed with their money with enough force to change things.
Your rants and condescension are largely unheard and irrelevant. (To the corps of course)
Where did I say that the loss was because of a cash shop? I said they lost players. Whether there's a cash shop or not doesn't matter. Thats a hell of alot of people for any game to lose in one year, whether you like it or not. People are bored of that game and looking for new ones. Wow is starting to lose steam. Nothing lasts forever.
This just isnt true and is really only a reflection of the corperate justification on the use of CS. Box+sub is fully proftable and a fully realistic way to keep a MMORPG fully developed, supported, and in profit. This has been proven again and again. It is just that a cash shop generates MORE profit over and above that, and this is why it is so attractive to corperate greed.
While end users like you argue for less value and a worse deal for the consumer though I guess the devs will be able to do whatever they want.
You just hit the nail on the head.
Face it, wow is old. Whether people like it or not, its starting to decrease. Its just as bad as when I a just released game releases a free trial within a month of opening (aka Rift). Its not a good sign.
And frankly, people are starting to get sick to death of the greed. These companies keep this up they will find out just how ok people are with being nickle and dimed to death.
You have just rationalised yoursef into being a powerless consumer.
Gratz!
I never said idiots can't reproduce or work
I totally agree, I stopped playing because it IS old and stale.
And yes greed is also a tired concept, because it goes back to the friggin' stoneage.
Like everything in this world, change is sometimes violent and drasitc, and often needed. I don't like the status quo of things, the thing I can do is vote with my wallet.
However, for those people that don't mind or even like spending their extra cash to by that shiny pet or superfluous mount, who are we to stay how to spend their money? If the present trend is that more players than not buy the fluff, then we have little choice but to respect them and understand why a business, who's sole priority is to make money, institutes a way to inject more cash.
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
since you are so noble and wish to change the world like that, stop playing MMos they just make you spend your time when you could be helping others, go out and save the world, go
Oh please. Stop defending greed. This country was founded on principles of getting away from the rich (at the time it was the royalty, now the royalty is the rich top 2% without the title) controlling everything. Instead, there's an odd faction in this country that actually defends letting companies nickle and dime you to death so you end up living on the street. Enough already.
Greed is not good. It never has been, and it never will be. Greed causes 99% of the problems on this planet.
Yes, you have the freedom to vote with your money, but there is always someone else to take that money. If the whole industry goes to this "greed is good" mentality, then we all get screwed. These companies need to know that this is not ok. If they instituted something where a sub got everything that came with a game, with varying levels of subscription right down to an item mall, that would be different. But thats not what happens. Instead, subs get only a portion of the game and have to buy the rest. Thats pure greed. Nothing else.
And as evidenced by SOE's behavior, starting with the "its only going to be fluff" line is a slippery slope. Sooner or later, it will be items that matter to play the game. Then the subs will start getting screwed. Its only a matter of time. We have our proof.
I'm sick to death of being nickle and dimed to death by everyone on the bloody planet. I'm paying you, so give me what I'm paying for, and stop screwing me over all the time.
Rabbit, you have opted for a really cheap way of responding here, which is dssapointing. Saying crap like 'Russia is that way'... really? It really adds nothing to your point or credibility, and in fact encourages me to dismiss anything you say from here on in out of hand as pure idiot.
I didnt put words in your mouth. I didnt quote you or pretend to quote you, or even paraphrase you. I made a personal observation on your standpoint based on what I read from you, and I stand by it.
But.. whatever. You carry on being a drone mouthing the corperate line for whatever reason you do.
Right, and your comments are the most virtuous and plainly the voice of reason?
I am looking forward to playing this game with a cash shop. As an Illuminati I want an Amulet of Unending Cash Drain that will cause little green $$ signs to float around my character in game. Another effect of the amulet should make it so when you walk, instead of just the normal footstep sound, there would be the tinkling sound that's made from someone walking with a pocket full of change. I would buy that item.
Also, it would be great if The Secret War which connects to your Facebook account would email, text, and call you simultaneously to let you know about the latest and greatest new releases and sales available in the cash shop. That is some priceless MMO-Facebook interaction--an amazing innovation in the market.
have been really looking forward to this game, but ... its not even out yet and already hearing bad things about the game, P2P + Microtransactions = Epic Fail.. the more i hear about this game, the more im beginning to think its one to avoid.. given TSW's concept.. i had huge hopes for this game too.. but not anymore.
P2P+cash shop is bs YOU can already see what funcom has done in aoc don't be blind. They had their subscribers pay for ontent and called it an adventure pack and ppl ACTUALLY ACCEPTED IT not only that but bout a 55 dollar pack that came with useless pet mount and some pots. Im just saying i see how funcom treats their subs in one game this one won't be different a sub is to pay for content thats how they justify it and stop with the whole "its a company trying to make money stop complaining" its a company trying to rip off people and if someone disagrees they can complain if everyone is silent no one will realise theres a market for P2P or B2P.
EDIT: ONLY 2 options i will accept! is B2P+ adventure packs/expansions OR P2P cash shop does nothing but kill the game except those who i dono spend all there money become unemployed and die playing games and so forth? which usually makes for a crappy community
Side note to the in red i do agree that is why/ what they told the people at the time but when all was said and done land owners took charge and so forth.
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I agree with most of your statement about greed itself, but IMO you misinterpreting my words. Im not defending greed im defending the right or ability to make money. The two do not always go hand in hand. Where do you draw the line? How much is too much? Sadly people will try to justify taking away from others to make themselves feel better or tell a company what they can and cant do. Not everyone in this world is a bad or evil person. neither are all all MMO companies.
If you dont like being nickeled and dime..as I stated earlier pages ago...dont play the game. Its that easy. The individual says what is best for them.
Again i will reinterate and be done with this: I dont care about cash shops. I doesnt bother me that a company has them. I will choose to use them or not. If i dont like what a company does i will not purchase thier products. If you dont like cash shop that your business not mine. Dont tell me how i should think or feel about cash shops. My opinion isnt anymore or less wrong than yours.
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
Like others have said, don't like the idea, don't buy the game. Everyone gets along, but it IS here to stay until the 'people' that make it profitable stop using it.
And please refrain from calling them down, they're ppl like you and me that have different ideas on how they'd like to play their game. Your view is no better or worse then anyone else's. So get it in your head, Different strokes for different folks, Mkay?
you can't compare TSW with WoW,
WOW is the king and it will always be,i don't see the game going lower anytime soon.
PS:I don't play wow anymore.
You really need to do your research. WoW lost nearly a million subscribers in the last year. Even they admitted it. It was all over the news. Do you actually think thats a good thing for a game?
Their loss of players has nothing to do with items being available in the cash shop. The cash shop existed long before the players finally started getting bored. This will last until people can play drunk pandas, at which time their subscriber base will bloom again.
Where did I say that the loss was because of a cash shop? I said they lost players. Whether there's a cash shop or not doesn't matter. Thats a hell of alot of people for any game to lose in one year, whether you like it or not. People are bored of that game and looking for new ones. Wow is starting to lose steam. Nothing lasts forever.
This particular conversation started because alkarionlog said CS+Sub=Lost Players. You referenced WoW losing a million players (which they did). This conversation is about cash shops in games that have subs (TSW being the main subject). Then I posted.
Players stating that having a cash shop along with a sub is a disincentive for a lot of people to play are wrong. It's certainly a disincentive for some people, but for most people it's a non-issue and depending on what's in the cash shop, it's an incentive to play so you can get shinies.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Despite what the vocal minority here with wads of extra cash to blow on virutal items say, EA and Funcom just knifed TSW in the back, hard. Indeed, I'd call it a death blow. Fact is the majority of gamers don't have extra money to spend like that. THose that follow sites like this will warn their friends, and they won't buy it. As for the rest, they will buy it and TSW will have a decent to good launch retail showing. Then those gamers will see the cash shop, realize it for what it is (wondering why the hell do I have to buy more crap just to play the game I already paid a lump sum for and am paying monthly for) and cancel their subscriptions.
Especially if TSW launch is anywhere near what the AoC launch was like.
My prediction: Within 2 years from launch of TSW will see EA bring in Funcom (read: buy out) and within 5 years the EA Funcom branch will be shuttered.
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