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LOTRO is Boring

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,955

    Originally posted by Eliandal

    Originally posted by Madimorga

    I think I'm going to give this one last try by rolling up a Champ (supposed to level fast, anyway), avoiding all quests after the starter area that don't involve either crafting or whatever that main storyline seems to be, and just grinding mobs and wandering around exploring.  Maybe then it won't seem like a chore list instead of entertainment.  If that doesn't work, beh, guess I'm just counting the days until either GW2 or TSW releases.

     

      Honestly, it's probably not going to work for you :(  While Champs ARE a lot of fun - the game really IS better when grouped or 'kinned'  Grinding mobs really isn't a great way to level - trust me, you won't get to 20 before it becomes the chore you're dreading.

     

      The plus is of course, that you can wander around and do it completely free (and although you don't like 'hubs' - I'd recommend doing the starter zones anyways as it comes to 200+ easy TP's and you can breeze through it)

     

      Good luck in finding a game that grabs you though - even if it's not this one.  Keep looking if this doesn't work, it's out there I'm sure :D!

    Um, one's mileage may vary on that. A good amount of my leveling is doing just what he said. Except I don't do crafting quests, haven't really done a good amount of the story. I do take quests that will allow me to explore and fight along the way.

    Most of my leveling was done that way in moria and I believe I leveled from from 56 or so to 60 just fighting orcs outside of moria on the doorstep of Lothlorien. this was before Lothlorien was put in. Essentially, whatever the cap was at Moria I levelled the last 4 or 5 levels just on mobs. maybe a quest here or there outside of Moria.

    I found that way of playing much more to my liking and just much more fun. Exploring, fighting along the way and the odd quest here and there were more enjoyable than taking every quest in the area.

    So he might have better luck. Though I just can't seem to level champs very far as they just don't intrigue me. Guardian and Warden are the two classes that I love but I'm not really a tank at heart. Great for soloing for the most part.

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  • MadimorgaMadimorga Member UncommonPosts: 1,920

    Well, I'm at least going to try it that way, simply because it has so many other components I do enjoy.  It just happens that I hate constantly questing.

     

    However, I was under the mistaken impression that leveling solo was just as fast as leveling in a group, so it does make more sense to suggest I group up to play if it really does go faster as opposed to just seeming to go faster.

     

    It seems like a nice community, I might get in a social mood eventually.

     

    Okay, probably not often, so off to try that wandering and killing while ignoring most of the quest givers bit.  I know, I'm quite  image but I just can't stand being bossed around by hundreds of NPCs.

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  • HamlethHamleth Member Posts: 26

    I was beta tester before the relrease (2006) and played lotro for months at the beginning. Shire is wonderfull, Barrow downs are fun... then came the Moria, and worst , lands after the moria.... farming boring quests, radiance... small areas, small quests, small fun...

    and who cares about forochel and giants to kill ?

    who cares about evil dwarves ?

    who cares about things i never saw on the books or even on the movies ?

    I see turbine made an another "non sens land", with an orthanc without attack of orcs, without helms deep without all things everyone knows and likes in Tolkien's story. One more time the devs are specialist of "out of subject ". 

    If you're looking for epic battles, take BFME and you'll have a rohan with cavalry, isengard with ents and Gondor. You don't have to wait 10 years for these places and battles. 

    Forget these devs, they had one of the best, probably the best magical world in their hands, but they made us "boar killers".

    blah.

  • PicklebeastPicklebeast Member Posts: 273

    Originally posted by Hamleth

    I was beta tester before the relrease (2006) and played lotro for months at the beginning. Shire is wonderfull, Barrow downs are fun... then came the Moria, and worst , lands after the moria.... farming boring quests, radiance... small areas, small quests, small fun...

    and who cares about forochel and giants to kill ?

    who cares about evil dwarves ?

    who cares about things i never saw on the books or even on the movies ?

    I see turbine made an another "non sens land", with an orthanc without attack of orcs, without helms deep without all things everyone knows and likes in Tolkien's story. One more time the devs are specialist of "out of subject ". 

    If you're looking for epic battles, take BFME and you'll have a rohan with cavalry, isengard with ents and Gondor. You don't have to wait 10 years for these places and battles. 

    Forget these devs, they had one of the best, probably the best magical world in their hands, but they made us "boar killers".

    blah.

    -Pretty much this...

    I can remember when this game was in conception and the working title was "Middle Earth Online" and was leaning towards being a more sandboxy "Middle Earth" to live out your fantasy "life".

    What we got was a reskinned WOW clone where everyone gets to be a "hero". I, being a huge Tolkien fan since the early 1980's (not someone who learned about this great World from the Movies) still played for a bit, but was utterly dissapointed. The Shire was Fantastic, as was some of the exploration of Middle Earth but the game was just... Boring.

  • MadimorgaMadimorga Member UncommonPosts: 1,920

    Originally posted by Picklebeast

    Originally posted by Hamleth

    I was beta tester before the relrease (2006) and played lotro for months at the beginning. Shire is wonderfull, Barrow downs are fun... then came the Moria, and worst , lands after the moria.... farming boring quests, radiance... small areas, small quests, small fun...

    and who cares about forochel and giants to kill ?

    who cares about evil dwarves ?

    who cares about things i never saw on the books or even on the movies ?

    I see turbine made an another "non sens land", with an orthanc without attack of orcs, without helms deep without all things everyone knows and likes in Tolkien's story. One more time the devs are specialist of "out of subject ". 

    If you're looking for epic battles, take BFME and you'll have a rohan with cavalry, isengard with ents and Gondor. You don't have to wait 10 years for these places and battles. 

    Forget these devs, they had one of the best, probably the best magical world in their hands, but they made us "boar killers".

    blah.

    -Pretty much this...

    I can remember when this game was in conception and the working title was "Middle Earth Online" and was leaning towards being a more sandboxy "Middle Earth" to live out your fantasy "life".

    What we got was a reskinned WOW clone where everyone gets to be a "hero". I, being a huge Tolkien fan since the early 1980's (not someone who learned about this great World from the Movies) still played for a bit, but was utterly dissapointed. The Shire was Fantastic, as was some of the exploration of Middle Earth but the game was just... Boring.

     

    These two posts really help me clarify my discontent with what should be a wonderful game.  My poor avatars are so diminshed, so chained to the quest givers and their petty tasks.  Which means I'm diminished and chained to the quest givers when I play.  Which completely destroys my sense of wonder and adventure. 

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  • HamlethHamleth Member Posts: 26

    Originally posted by starwarsnut

    ive played it for 4 years and up this date its the same exact thing. Whati have to laugh about is how they remesh old areas togethee and call them new areas. How people except  this as new "areas"  is just lolz

    agree ^^

    Looks like a paste copy of eregion/enedwaith

    it's enough. Enough of "War of the boars online".

    Discovered Tolkien at 12 (around 1980) this is a shame. 

    Can't bear those boars/insects/cows/wolves anymore. :)

     

    Quest Levl 1 archet to levl 155 mordor (in 2065)

    "- please my hero save me  giant flies attacked our warcamp, please kill 12 flies lvl 1/10/65/155 and i'll give you a pair of magical boots/bow of gondor/anyway anything even the ring

    - ok i give you my bow kill the flies by yourself, i'm not interested, go to hell, saruman can destroy lotro, i'll help him"

    Please Big Eye,save us from this disaster.

     

    Let's wait for SWTOR.

  • PioneerStewPioneerStew Member Posts: 874

    The books are fantastic, and then the films (much to my surprise) were also fantastic and complimented the books perfectly.  And then I heard about the game and thought hat-trick, a perfect trilogy of a trilogy.  I think at character creation I new I was going to be proved wrong, I have never spent so long trying to make a character look vaguely interesting or attractive.  I failed and took my bland character into the most soulless, and mind numbingly tedious version of Tolkein's world I ever thought possible.  

  • MadimorgaMadimorga Member UncommonPosts: 1,920

    An MMO is similar to a movie or a novel in that we enter a fictional world and step into the shoes of one or more fictional characters.  Just as we will not watch a movie that revolves around the protagonist giving some random villager a pile of goo (looted off the corpses of dozens of identical spiders) in exchange for a few coins and a little bump to our spider slaying abilities, we also won't fall in love with a game that revolves around this. 

     

    It's fine if there's no plot at all, too, but if there's no plot, the game world has to be complex and large, and if there is no plot, let there be no quests, or at any rate, very few, and then we can find our own meaning and our own path in a game.  But that means adding content that doesn't revolve around killing a succession of insects, rodents, wild game, monsters, and generic bandits.  It means cities, homes, furniture, art, gathering places, vocations that we can experience the full heights and depths of without slaying 10,000 deer.  Or if we do have to slay 10,000 cute little animals, the mechanics of crafting and what we are able to craft better be a lot more interesting than the standard stand at the crafting station and make lots of armor, weapons, and potions in order to level up and be able to make useful armor, weapons, and potions fare of your average MMO.

     

    It's lazy, it really is.  It's the easy way out.  Most MMO companies don't give us a compelling story, okay, fine, but they also don't give us the kind of mechanics and game world that let us create our own stories.

     

    It has to be one or the other.  Either give us compelling plot, or give us the room to make our own story.  Or how about both?  Both would be good.  But at least one or the other.

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  • HamlethHamleth Member Posts: 26

    And the new areas are SMALL. (haven't paid, only on free account) Isengard is simply... awful.  Dun is nice, Rohan is small, Rohirrim look like a group of mercenaries. Don't expect a big army (cf movies) .  what a deception. i won't pay for this expansion,  and never pay again a sub. Expected a lot of things in beta, Moria was huge, after, nothing but small areas for casual players. (i'm casual but it's too easy for me)You can forget and wait for another mmo. PLay EQ2, SWTOR WAR AOC ... Lotro is now a F2P and I know why.Wait for Fallen Earth's relaunch (oct)

  • neuronomadneuronomad Member Posts: 1,276

    I personally love the changes to the Mistrel class and feel that combat is anything but boring.   I can pretty much run and gun (well sing) mobs a few levels higher than me without any issues or slowdowns.   I find the combat fast enough.

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  • miconamicona Member UncommonPosts: 677

    Originally posted by chrisel

    LOTRO to me is like a hot blonde bombshell with no brain.

    I am still trying to get past level 40, and I have been "there" since it's release (suos on & off). The combat is some of the worst I ever played in any MMO.

        The combat is some of the BEST i ever played in any MMO , no jokes :)

         

  • HamlethHamleth Member Posts: 26
    Originally posted by micona


    Originally posted by chrisel

    LOTRO to me is like a hot blonde bombshell with no brain.
    I am still trying to get past level 40, and I have been "there" since it's release (suos on & off). The combat is some of the worst I ever played in any MMO.

        The combat is some of the BEST i ever played in any MMO , no jokes :)

         

     

    The worst. Try vanguard eq aoc fallen earth even wow is better.

    The story ? Haven t seen aragorn or gandalf for months??? Always making quests for unknown npc killing bats wolves and spiders ? At. Level 64 ? no thx! We only have one Town bree! Bree!!! From 2006 to 2012. We have nô gondor no rohan no minas tirith.
  • starwarsnutstarwarsnut Member UncommonPosts: 230

    4 years in and were just now seeing isengard?  they never apoligized for lying about the new pvp map both times i might add now. I think war in the north will be more fun then all the lotro xpacs and game itself combined. Funniest thing i seen in the official lotro forums were people saying they want it to be more like swtor b/c all the npcs were saying the same thing unlike tor aaawhahahahah.

     

    oh p.s you have the gap of rohan LOL evendim and trollshaws meshed together haha

  • AkiyeAkiye Member Posts: 109

    While i wont argue the opinions  in this thread i do have to question the judgement of some. I seen in this thread some say they  have comeback toi it many times after already not enjoying it before,. I must say that is on you. If you dont like something the first time much at all chances are you are not going to like it your 5th time. I am also laughing at the OP for buying a lifetime sub and finding the game boring. This means you have horrible judgment or you are lying, Could go ethier way as forums are full of lies. Most  threads on any game or forum is full of bad information anymore sadly.

    One last thing of the bit of reading in this thread I noticed If getting your  xpac a day early is considered a horrible t hing just stop playing mmo's. Yes it was down for a bit of that day. However, we got to play the xpac earlier than expect. Some got to play a lot that day others not so much. As for myself I kept reading the forums off and on and giggling as others complaned about sitting near there computer all day waiting to play. Never and I mean never expect the best in any game on a patch day. If anything expect not to play.  When i did decided to give the D/l a try that night It took me all of 20mins to get connected/ d/l and installed. I also chose not to start on my 65 right away and instaed played a toon i have been leveling while i read complaints of the lag and so on from a few people (still while Laughing). Dont get me wrong im excited by the new content but im also smart enough to know unless i want some headaches not to bother for the first week. I feel sorry not for those that dive in and then complain about some lag or to many people.

  • HamlethHamleth Member Posts: 26

    nope. I think the OP expected more for THE mmo taking place on Middle Earth.

    As already said, i was beta tester at the beginning, lotro was of course nothing more but  a wow clone but i can say the game was more interesting in beta than he is now. harder, not soloable, with nice and large areas (shire) and nice quests and a good story. things changed with moria...

    yesterday, in 15 mn saw all new areas alone.

    new areas are empty, saw maybe 5 players.

    pvp haven t changed for years. idem for housing...

     

  • chan2x81chan2x81 Member Posts: 9

    Originally posted by Hamleth

    Originally posted by micona

    Originally posted by chrisel

    LOTRO to me is like a hot blonde bombshell with no brain.

    I am still trying to get past level 40, and I have been "there" since it's release (suos on & off). The combat is some of the worst I ever played in any MMO.

        The combat is some of the BEST i ever played in any MMO , no jokes :)

         

     

    The worst. Try vanguard eq aoc fallen earth even wow is better. The story ? Haven t seen aragorn or gandalf for months??? Always making quests for unknown npc killing bats wolves and spiders ? At. Level 64 ? no thx! We only have one Town bree! Bree!!! From 2006 to 2012. We have nô gondor no rohan no minas tirith.

    Seriously??? Fallen Earth better combat system lulz

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,955

    Originally posted by Hamleth

    nope. I think the OP expected more for THE mmo taking place on Middle Earth.

    As already said, i was beta tester at the beginning, lotro was of course nothing more but  a wow clone but i can say the game was more interesting in beta than he is now. harder, not soloable, with nice and large areas (shire) and nice quests and a good story. things changed with moria...

    yesterday, in 15 mn saw all new areas alone.

    new areas are empty, saw maybe 5 players.

    pvp haven t changed for years. idem for housing...

     

    hmm, I was in the closed beta (and for some reason I can't seem to shake the feeling there were more than one closed beta session) and I found the game very soloable. It was tricky but I could level. And this was on a champion. If you remember, they were very squshy back then.

    What is wasn't was "a breeze" to solo. You had to think and you had to play at your best at times.

    I do think that the game was more interesting in closed beta. Trolls on the road going toward Rivendell (I think at night?) the old forest was very dangerous and one could get lost in there), I actually could die if i wasn't careful, etc.

    Areas really aren't empty but then again i'm on Brandywine so there is a decent population there. Still, to expect full new players areas for a theme park game seems urnealstic to me. This is a shame, believe me, but having areas where the entire areas is for a level range means that players will leave it and for the mostpart no game has ever maintained a steady "large" population of new players except for possibly WoW.

    Housing is a shame I'll admit. PvP was put in to appease the pvp proponents. I recall a very long thread about this in closed beta.

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  • LukainLukain Member UncommonPosts: 591

    Originally posted by starwarsnut

    ive played it for 4 years and up this date its the same exact thing. Whati have to laugh about is how they remesh old areas togethee and call them new areas. How people except  this as new "areas"  is just lolz

    Ok why would you play a game for 4 years you find boring ?   A MMO based on perhaps the greatest Stories written in the last 200 years you find boring , I think its not the game, but you  may be burned out on MMO's

    My biggest gripe is the pvp

    LOTRO Was never a PvP Game it was never ment to be it had pvp taged onto it  , so to complain about PvP in LOTRO is like me complaining at my local McDonalds why there no Pizza on the menu

    They flat out led 2 times in a row now about that new map. The only development in 4 years has been pve outposts and a tree with a bird.

     

    still have a bug where warleaders become invincable

    Bugs are part of MMO allways have been & allways will be

    still have people going into rez points killing people

    Blame the player base , you should know the mindset of many PVP'ers  its all about Ganking

    still have skill lock

    lag is worse then before (yes all mmo's have lag)

    I live 10,000 Miles from the LORTO servers  & rarely have any lag issues

    My kin has left the game  just waiting for swtor myself.

    Ive played other mmo's and while it is true most get boring after awhile most mmo's 4 years in have a lot more then lotro does.

    4 years in we should have had a lot more by now and ffs we should be past isen in the first 2 years alone. At the rate there going our grandkids will see mordor before we do thats if lotro still exists thanks to the lvl 5's in bree rp'ng

    4 years  & 3 Expansions & a Few Mini Expansions  , I really don't see what there is to complain about ? do you want an expansion every month ?

     

  • Johnie-MarzJohnie-Marz Member UncommonPosts: 865

    I like LoTRo but there is some truth to what the OP is saying. I think it is because the game can be grindy. On the other hand it is a very laid back game, I never feel like I NEED to level as fast as I can.

  • MadimorgaMadimorga Member UncommonPosts: 1,920

    Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

    I like LoTRo but there is some truth to what the OP is saying. I think it is because the game can be grindy. On the other hand it is a very laid back game, I never feel like I NEED to level as fast as I can.

     

    That's why I'm going to try it for a few days without the quests.  If I don't have quests in my log, maybe I won't have this OCD need to actually finish them and I can experience the game as something other than a really boring chore list.  I want to enjoy the game, but I just can't at this pace, with all these meaningless quests and all this running back and forth to these NPCs. 

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  • free2playfree2play Member UncommonPosts: 2,043

    Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

    I like LoTRo but there is some truth to what the OP is saying. I think it is because the game can be grindy. On the other hand it is a very laid back game, I never feel like I NEED to level as fast as I can.

     Same here. I've been back a month and went from 50 to 51 by default because they changed the exper requi, then got to Lv. 54 through leveling. So 3 levels in a month. Some days I log in thinking damn, I only got 3 levels in a month. Most days I just don't care. I craft, I loot farm for alts to craft, I explore. I play. I'm a 40 year old man and I get to play like a kid. Sure I'd love it if they ditched some of the debuffs the PvE use every single time. Sure, I would love it if more Ornate candles dropped, I know when I finally get out of the hell that is Moria I will level 50 times faster because all the things I do, I will do at level and not below it trying to avoid Moria but I remembered getting to 50. Took 3 months, went by in a flash, was alot of fun because I was doing other things and leveled by accident.

  • miconamicona Member UncommonPosts: 677

    Originally posted by Hamleth

    Originally posted by micona

    Originally posted by chrisel

    LOTRO to me is like a hot blonde bombshell with no brain.

    I am still trying to get past level 40, and I have been "there" since it's release (suos on & off). The combat is some of the worst I ever played in any MMO.

        The combat is some of the BEST i ever played in any MMO , no jokes :)

         

     

    The worst. Try vanguard eq aoc fallen earth even wow is better. The story ? Haven t seen aragorn or gandalf for months??? Always making quests for unknown npc killing bats wolves and spiders ? At. Level 64 ? no thx! We only have one Town bree! Bree!!! From 2006 to 2012. We have nô gondor no rohan no minas tirith.

      what about Rivendell ?

  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912

    I don't think LOTRO overall is boring. BUT, the new addon Isengard is... a letdown. BOARS AND WOLVES everywhere... like in level 1. And we carry dirt and boxes and hay and apples for some backwater tribals. I am just SICK and TIRED of boars and wolves. And of course more crebain, not to forget! It's all the same models. They didn't even resize, colour or slightly alter them, no the SAME frigging boars and wolves.

    Sorry but for 45 Euro thats just not enough.

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  • gandalfonegandalfone Member Posts: 35
    I'm happy this thread is developing with sensible posts (most of them at least :) ) and not falling into the pit of rage.

    I also see that the great majority of posts agree with my opinion: this means it's not just my feelings toward LOTRO, but they're shared with many other players.

  • JakardJakard Member Posts: 415

    It's kind of like a bad relationship....

     

    LOTRO, I like you... I'm just not in love with you.

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