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The Elder Dragons
ZalKin
Member Posts: 31
in Guild Wars 2
The biggest question i have about GW2 at the moment (exept how the Mesmer will play) is how the F**K will the fights with the Elder Dragons play out. It's hard to graps how big they are and even harder to grasp how you bring one down. Do you think the story of Guild Wars 2 will be to reunite the Edge of Destiny and with there help bring down Kralkatorrik because we know the heroes are has a part to play. But if this is true how do you think the battle will go? Will the Elder Dragons even be in the game or released as expantions one after the other? What are your thoughs?
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Well when the dragons are as big as mountains it's hard to imagine fighting them straight up.
i think it was mentioned somewhere that expansions will feature new dragon bosses, but i read that a loong time ago...
I'm curious about how an encounter with an elder dragon will play out too. I'm having a hard time imagining it. But I guess that's what we're paying ArenaNet for.
I think only Zhaitan will be in the game at release. The others will follow in expansions (my guess). And part of the storyline will involve reuniting Destiny's Edge.
I just hope its as realistic as possible, instead of just beating down the massive dragon until it falls (obviously there is more to it than that, but I hope there is some skill to it such as finding a weak spot or something).
From the wiki:
Zhaitan will be the only Elder Dragon that players physically encounter. He will also be fought in a dungeon. [1]
The key to defeating the dragons are within the Priory as mentioned before -- yet we have not heard anything about the Priory other than that it exists and they are the key.
Destiny's Edge will not be the one to take the dragons down...read the book to know why (no spoilers from me :P).
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Agreed, reading the books will bring a lot of good background information. Destiny's Edge has an example of how to fight a dragon...no spoilers though.
Don't think Destinys Edge will take down the dragon aswell but i do think you will bring them together to help take them down.
Most FPS games have boss fights that go something like that. I anticipate Anet to make it very challenging, and it will take some tries before someone figures it out.
I don't know if it would work with an Elder Dragon, but I think it would be cool if you fought at least one boss Lavos (Chrono Trigger) style. Where you have to actually go INSIDE of the boss and then fight its core or something.
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Your personal story involves choosing one of the three orders; Durmand Priory, Order of Whispers, or the Vigil.
http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/personal-stories/personal-story-overview/
But as stated above, the showdown with the dragon will be in a dungeon, not the personal story.
We know the explorable mode of each dungeon has at least three paths. An example they give of explorable mode is having the Durmand Priory trying to deal with the Ascalon Catacombs and you choosing which of three plans to implement.
http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/dungeons/into-the-dungeons/
My best guess is that each of the paths of the final dungeon will correspond to using one of the methods of the orders to try to defeat him (put him back to sleep in one, use ancient knowledge for a solution in another, some kind of fight in the third)
Perhaps the Story Mode of the dungeon will set the stage for the explorable mode encounter, maybe even having you face him but not defeat him somehow, or leading him to where the trap is set.
It's also only been said he'll be fought in a dungeon, he might not be defeated.
That's just my guess though.
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What we seen of lesser bosses even they are about tactics and weak spots so I think we can assume that standing still and pressing your skills in a certain order over and over is a sure way to die.
And we can be sure that the elder dragon we will fight from launch wont be alone, in the book had they plenty of minions.
I still can't conceive of how something that is considered a force of nature like a hurricane or an earthquake, can be dealt with through any kind of conventional mechanics. Tequatl and the Shatterer were big nasties, but they were still beasts and could still be affected by a firewall or a flaming arrow. I'm not sure how the bag of tricks that players have available to them have any hope of affecting an elder dragon. It would be about as effective as cursing at a tornado and hoping it will leave you alone.
I just hope ANet doesn't wimp out of it somehow by using a magical asuran shrink ray to reduce elder dragons to something more manageable. I doubt it though. I might expect that of a lesser studio but not ANet.
I can imagine a group wandering inside the dragon, and fighting through it to it's heart or such (very Zelda-ish)
Maybe they will allow charr or norn to throw smaller races at the dragon to do damage.
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Encountering Zhaitan in a Dungeon doesn't mean he will be defeated in a dungeon.
With the Elder Dragons being the ones blocking any travel between continents, my guess is that there may be some epic, server wide event chain just prior to the first expansion's release where players will have to defeat Zhaitan in order to open up access to the expansion content.
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I hope it isn't liek the Great Destroyer battle in EOTN or I'll be asking for my money back. Also, only dragon that players will physically encounter ? I'm starting to feel nausia.....
Only Elder Dragon. The rest are for expansions.
I just hope the ending isnt putting Zaihtan to sleep. I want a finale and permenant victory, something we never got in Guild Wars 1.
I have no idea how the heck anything can kill an elder dragon either.
If memory serves, they are beyond massive. And so powerful that as they flew across the land, their shadow (THEIR FREAKING SHADOW) scared the landscape where it passed by, corrupting the land and causing horrible monsters to spawn from the earth. Is that about right?
I mean, if something's shadow is that powerful I dont even want to think what the actual beast is like.
What do you do? Drop a planet on it? Would it chew on said planet like bubble gum? Do you smack it with a black hole and hope for the best? Does God have to punch it several times and then give it a good stomp for good measure?
The theme is to find a way to put the dragons back to sleep. So if you were anticipating doing some dragonslaying you'll be disappointed.
not necessarily two of the factions actualy want to destroy the dragon, the durmand priory using ancient knowlege to find a way to destroy them and one of the others using brute force (an army or some such) only the order of whispers (hope i got name right) thinks that the dragons can only be put back to sleep and not destroyed.
Its too soon to tell if we are going to be able to kill zhitan or not.
However for those having issues immagineing how an elder dragon can be killed keep in mind that they were sleeping well before any weaponry was made. not to mention that magic was only given to the world after the dragons were asleep.
this is all very debateable, first of all the weaponry thing. well there are remains of giants all across tyria from around the time the dragons were last awake, how do we know they never made weapons.
secondly as for magic... the dragons can do magic (they may even be unbound by the restrictions of the bloodstones who knows?) and they could probably do magic long before. there are many debates about whether or not the gods actualy "gave" magic to mortal races.
for all we know thats propaganda.. or its a half truth and they taught magic to the races of tyria but it was already there. (half truth seems most likely to me considering the dragons capability to use magic and other races who were around before the gods came to tyria and brought humans). tbh the lore we currently have access to is a little conflicting so we will have to wait and see. (oh dont forget the mursaat and the seers).
All I can add really is that we know the charr airships play a role.
ArenaNet pretty much outright admitted this, and there's concept art of those airships flying toward Orr. What shape will their involvement take? I won't speculate, I'll leave that to you.