First of all i never was a fanboy .... i will play GW2 for sure but i will also test out SWTOR . And u dont have a clue of what you are talking about .....dynamic events first of all are not like in other games . U get recognition and a global feeling of a group achievement when you are doing them . Also let me tell you some other innovations:
1.Holy trinity is gone (healer , dps , tank)
2.Personal storyline
3.Casting while mooving
4.Weapons interacting with enviroment (a little more complex than this)
5.When you first enter a dungeon, you are in story mode, so your encounters in there advance the games story, or your personal story. Next time you enter that dungeon, you are in Exploration mode which is a harder version of the dungeon where you can see follow up stories unfold.
6.
Most quests will be aquired via dynamic events. This is where you come across an unfolding event in the game world and jump right into it without being referred there by a quest giver. So if you see smoke and fire at a nearby farm, you know there's some sort of trouble there so you can go over, kick some butt, extinguish some fires, etc and be rewarded for it.
And alot more ...so ye
1. That's new ? There's already plenty of game like this...
2. That's not new, at all. Some game 10 years ago had that. It's a cool add, yep, I wonder why most game stopped doing this. Innovative ? Nope.
3. Some unpopular games like Prius online have that.. game still isn't that much popular.
4. I agree that the the thief skill where you can steal weapon from the environnement is pretty cool.
5. I know about that one, but it's still the way as grinding dungeons. A little More depth yes, but it's still the same.
6. I already mentionned that. There aren't the first one to do that.
I agree that all this is REALLY GOOD. But it's nothing new. It's not "innovative".
I will be playing GW2 for sure.
But I'm still on my point that voice-over don't add much, where most people will just skip it, since it can easily become boring. And majority of player just want the end game. Sad, yes, but true. I already said that for the SW:TOR fan, it's a good addition, but not for the majority of the mmo playerbase.
Originally posted by Dvalon
SWTOR is going to rock all of your worlds, I'm a wow vet, played since F&F, Beta, Open then release.. and only stopped a year ago, so I know wow in and out, and I can assure you that SWTOR is the same as wow in the respect that its.
a) an mmo
b) same type of combat ane controls.
c) kicks ten shades of shit out of wow in all aspects of gameplay and function.
In a nut shell TOR is stunning, its amazing, the story is breathtaking, the combat is fluid and seemless, and unlike wow your not just spamming the same attack over and over, there is a real feel of combat in the combat.
So, in B you say the combat are the same type and the control the same, but after you say that unlike WoW, ToR combat are better, since they are different ? I'm sure you're making a good point !
Yep, unless you play a mage in WoW, you always hit the same 5-10 buttons. If you think it will be that much different in SW:TOR, I'm sorry but, you can always hope. Story in wow is actually also awsome if you really care about it. But not because you're a "vet" mean you really followed it. And I'm pretty sure you won't do the same with SW either.
SW:TOR will be different than WoW where it's a Sci-Fi MMO, and not a Fantasy MMO.
If this game didn't have "Star Wars" in the title, it would probably loose up to 85% of its hype.
The game alone is not impressive. It's very typecasted and extremely linear. You are told where to go the entire time, who to kill, and are even limited to which class/race combo you choose. There is little to no freedom.
"We want players to be able to tell who you are at first glance, e.g., Marauder will hold dual sabers, Juggernaught will hold 1 saber, etc."
When the game launches, it will be a smashing success. The quests will be fun, the graphics will look nice, and the combat will be crisp. However, 2-3 months now... the yearning to be yourself will set in. What to do now? Set up shop? Plop a house down? Go exploring? Explore the galaxy in my ship?
NO. You can't do any of these things. End-game will be a few story-driven raids and mass amounts of instanced PvP - over and over again.
This is sort of like saying if the Lord of the Rings movies weren't based on Tolkien's works, they wouldn't have been as popular. So? Strip away the bits and bobs of wrapping from any game and it will lose much of its luster, even if they are very poorly conceived bits and bobs. If someone is a kind of MMO purist who plays games for the gameplay systems only and ignores setting, style, lore, and tone then maybe this matters. For the sake of the genre, I hope people most people actually take these games as a total package, factoring in all the different elements when deciding what to play.
In any case, the notion that people will be bored right after launch is one I'm iffy on. Every game has its own limitations that people seem A-OK with enduring for years and years. Perhaps your yearning for "being yourself" will set in but that's no guarantee at all that the masses will feel the same.
Plus, no game has gotten endgame right. The number of dfferent attempts and tactics for addressing what to do is as long as my arm but it remains elusive. And no, much as I'm looking forward to GW2, it won't get it right, either. Even a dog gets tired of playing fetch after awhile; it's only sensible that his human master would get tired of doing the same content/pvp at some point.
"Think of it as a KOTOR you can play with your friends"
Smartest post ever. I am so tired of these jerks who are constantly trying to slam this game. I loved KOTOR, I wanted a version of KOTOR that I can play with my friends. And I wanted a GOOD Sci FI mmo, And I got what I wanted. So I'm there on the first day. I'd rather play this than anything else out there.
For my innovation I am looking to The Secret World .
I would love for it to be KOTOR with friends but it just isn't, it's Star Wars take on World of Warcraft with abit of the conversation choice thing thrown in. Personally I would rather have a coop KOTOR so it could be a fully realised game like you'd get if it was Single Player.
You guys have no idea what you're talking about. People in beta talk all the time about how this game makes them feel just like they did when they played their very first MMO. It's happened to me and no other game has ever done that till now. You're just pissed that they aren't targeting you as their primary audience.......waaah......waaah.......waaaah.
You guys have no idea what you're talking about. People in beta talk all the time about how this game makes them feel just like they did when they played their very first MMO. It's happened to me and no other game has ever done that till now. You're just pissed that they aren't targeting you as their primary audience.......waaah......waaah.......waaaah.
People said that about WAR, about TR, about *insert every MMO ever concieved here*
You're really unable to gather any information whatsoever from someone's tone of voice, the way they pronounce things, the speed at which they speak etc.? Nothing? Just nothing at all?
A good voice-actor is able to put into a single sentence enough information to fill an entire page.
*snip*
I got off the teleporter. It was a grey, grey day, and the Jedi greeting me seem to be as one with the weather.
"This weather, this is what I have been feeling," the Jedi says to me.
"For months now, this weather has been the color of my heart," he laments.
"They have been stealing my cheese. Please kill 10 rats to lift these shadows from my heart."
It's bad when I'm seriously considering resubbing to AO so I can play with 50 gold farmers, 2 ARKs on 15 alts apiece, 3 meme spewers, 5 creepy guys that hit on everything that isn't a bot, and speaking of bots, a few hundred of those randomly running up to KS whatever mob I'm trying to kill.
And yet, even that sounds better than some of the free to play offerings I've sampled lately. Except for Eden Eternal, which would be good, but I can't take anything seriously that gives me a baby blue mana bar to go with my pink life bar, then makes everything in the world a soothing nursery shade of green.
Hell, after staring at some of the other free to play offerings and seriously straining my eyes trying to read the tiny, blurry quest text and figure out which badly rendered blob is the mob I'm supposed to kill fifty times, I'm even starting to miss WoW!
Or I could log in to LOTRO and put myself into a soporific doze.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
You're really unable to gather any information whatsoever from someone's tone of voice, the way they pronounce things, the speed at which they speak etc.? Nothing? Just nothing at all?
A good voice-actor is able to put into a single sentence enough information to fill an entire page.
*snip*
I got off the teleporter. It was a grey, grey day, and the Jedi greeting me seem to be as one with the weather.
"This weather, this is what I have been feeling," the Jedi says to me.
"For months now, this weather has been the color of my heart," he laments.
"They have been stealing my cheese. Please kill 10 rats to lift these shadows from my heart."
You missed the good part. Maybe you'll have better luck next time.
We are the bunny. Resistance is futile. ''/\/\'''''/\/\''''''/\/\ ( o.o) ( o.o) ( o.o) (")("),,(")("),(")(")
Hey, look! Another one of these. I actually fear for the game's release, with the whole slew of "OMG, SEE, SEE! IT SUX" threads that will be created on this site.
Keep raging, keep trying to poke holes. The thing is metal, baby - and it won't rust, I promise.
I just wish there was a way for us to see how many 'haters' or 'fanbois' end up converting to SWTOR when it launches. That would be the BEST poll / statistic ever.
Hey, look! Another one of these. I actually fear for the game's release, with the whole slew of "OMG, SEE, SEE! IT SUX" threads that will be created on this site.
Keep raging, keep trying to poke holes. The thing is metal, baby - and it won't rust, I promise.
I just wish there was a way for us to see how many 'haters' or 'fanbois' end up converting to SWTOR when it launches. That would be the BEST poll / statistic ever.
You guys have no idea what you're talking about. People in beta talk all the time about how this game makes them feel just like they did when they played their very first MMO. It's happened to me and no other game has ever done that till now. You're just pissed that they aren't targeting you as their primary audience.......waaah......waaah.......waaaah.
People said that about WAR, about TR, about *insert every MMO ever concieved here*
your mileage may vary.
Here's a clue, those games were targeted at them and not you, oh no. Get over it and move on. I really could care less if TOR gets 10 million subs or 10k, as long as it stays in business so I can enjoy it and I certainly could care less if you don't want to play it. The game meets my needs and not yours, deal with it.
I am already "in love with MMOs" thanks to Vanguard.
SW:TOR will be a nice alternative MMO where you can actually have a combination of MMO and great story. So far I dont know what else will be good about it, though.
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by gobla
SWTOR wont be the game that wont make us fall back in love with MMOs.
So it will in fact make us fall back in love with MMOs?
Thanks for pointing that out as I was about to make the same post.
+1 for double negatives.
But unfortunately language doesnt use mathematical logic.
Thus a double negative is the same as a single negative.
Judging the latest trends it's far better to wait a month or two after launch before deciding to fork over any cash, or wait a little longer for free trials and or the inevitable free to play model.
I will be comparing most things to WoW because .......
A shame really because having played a lot if not all the online games prior to WoW you are missing out on a balanced view of how good an MMO can really be, not just an easy mode romp. WoW is a well put together game for making money is it really fun or challenging ... NO not really.
Sadly the majority of the current MMO playerbase because of WoW means that the genres' player base has been dumbed down so much that challenging and fun MMOs are a rarity these days.
SWTOR or any game I play is fun because it is to be enjoyed with friends, the problem is is there any real gameplay. SWTOR I believe because of the vast ammounts of content and worlds that can be explored does have a lot more value than the general dross being rolled out.
MMOs like Citadel of Sorcery are the types of development that may bring something back to the genre sadly the playerbase is now split with people who enjoy game play and those who just require auto win in a month which consiists of the WoW clones and Pay to Win games/ I mean F2P.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Judging the latest trends it's far better to wait a month or two after launch before deciding to fork over any cash, or wait a little longer for free trials and or the inevitable free to play model.
Not really game cost such an irrelevant ammount of money with respect to gameplay time against other ativities/passtimes that not really anything justifies waiting for release. Unless a little lag or the odd bug bothers you.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Originally posted by popinjay Who wants to fall in love?
What's wrong with having some hot, steamy fun and immersion before saying "thanks Ma'am.. gotta get home to the wife now? :P
Probably your wife? On both questions.
Nah, some games (wives) are gold diggers. They only want your cash and don't want your 'love', but people don't leave them because they are married to them after so long.
My personal un-opinion: SWTOR won't not be the top half of the best quarter of the MMO industry from not all of the games that were not unreleased out of the previous related fraction under no uncertain unrelated terms; especially out of games that weren't not successful originally.
Comments
1. That's new ? There's already plenty of game like this...
2. That's not new, at all. Some game 10 years ago had that. It's a cool add, yep, I wonder why most game stopped doing this. Innovative ? Nope.
3. Some unpopular games like Prius online have that.. game still isn't that much popular.
4. I agree that the the thief skill where you can steal weapon from the environnement is pretty cool.
5. I know about that one, but it's still the way as grinding dungeons. A little More depth yes, but it's still the same.
6. I already mentionned that. There aren't the first one to do that.
I agree that all this is REALLY GOOD. But it's nothing new. It's not "innovative".
I will be playing GW2 for sure.
But I'm still on my point that voice-over don't add much, where most people will just skip it, since it can easily become boring. And majority of player just want the end game. Sad, yes, but true. I already said that for the SW:TOR fan, it's a good addition, but not for the majority of the mmo playerbase.
So, in B you say the combat are the same type and the control the same, but after you say that unlike WoW, ToR combat are better, since they are different ? I'm sure you're making a good point !
Yep, unless you play a mage in WoW, you always hit the same 5-10 buttons. If you think it will be that much different in SW:TOR, I'm sorry but, you can always hope. Story in wow is actually also awsome if you really care about it. But not because you're a "vet" mean you really followed it. And I'm pretty sure you won't do the same with SW either.
SW:TOR will be different than WoW where it's a Sci-Fi MMO, and not a Fantasy MMO.
This is sort of like saying if the Lord of the Rings movies weren't based on Tolkien's works, they wouldn't have been as popular. So? Strip away the bits and bobs of wrapping from any game and it will lose much of its luster, even if they are very poorly conceived bits and bobs. If someone is a kind of MMO purist who plays games for the gameplay systems only and ignores setting, style, lore, and tone then maybe this matters. For the sake of the genre, I hope people most people actually take these games as a total package, factoring in all the different elements when deciding what to play.
In any case, the notion that people will be bored right after launch is one I'm iffy on. Every game has its own limitations that people seem A-OK with enduring for years and years. Perhaps your yearning for "being yourself" will set in but that's no guarantee at all that the masses will feel the same.
Plus, no game has gotten endgame right. The number of dfferent attempts and tactics for addressing what to do is as long as my arm but it remains elusive. And no, much as I'm looking forward to GW2, it won't get it right, either. Even a dog gets tired of playing fetch after awhile; it's only sensible that his human master would get tired of doing the same content/pvp at some point.
I would love for it to be KOTOR with friends but it just isn't, it's Star Wars take on World of Warcraft with abit of the conversation choice thing thrown in. Personally I would rather have a coop KOTOR so it could be a fully realised game like you'd get if it was Single Player.
You guys have no idea what you're talking about. People in beta talk all the time about how this game makes them feel just like they did when they played their very first MMO. It's happened to me and no other game has ever done that till now. You're just pissed that they aren't targeting you as their primary audience.......waaah......waaah.......waaaah.
They should have made a 4 player coop instead.
People said that about WAR, about TR, about *insert every MMO ever concieved here*
your mileage may vary.
I got off the teleporter. It was a grey, grey day, and the Jedi greeting me seem to be as one with the weather.
"This weather, this is what I have been feeling," the Jedi says to me.
"For months now, this weather has been the color of my heart," he laments.
"They have been stealing my cheese. Please kill 10 rats to lift these shadows from my heart."
It's bad when I'm seriously considering resubbing to AO so I can play with 50 gold farmers, 2 ARKs on 15 alts apiece, 3 meme spewers, 5 creepy guys that hit on everything that isn't a bot, and speaking of bots, a few hundred of those randomly running up to KS whatever mob I'm trying to kill.
And yet, even that sounds better than some of the free to play offerings I've sampled lately. Except for Eden Eternal, which would be good, but I can't take anything seriously that gives me a baby blue mana bar to go with my pink life bar, then makes everything in the world a soothing nursery shade of green.
Hell, after staring at some of the other free to play offerings and seriously straining my eyes trying to read the tiny, blurry quest text and figure out which badly rendered blob is the mob I'm supposed to kill fifty times, I'm even starting to miss WoW!
Or I could log in to LOTRO and put myself into a soporific doze.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
You missed the good part. Maybe you'll have better luck next time.
We are the bunny.
Resistance is futile.
''/\/\'''''/\/\''''''/\/\
( o.o) ( o.o) ( o.o)
(")("),,(")("),(")(")
Hey, look! Another one of these. I actually fear for the game's release, with the whole slew of "OMG, SEE, SEE! IT SUX" threads that will be created on this site.
Keep raging, keep trying to poke holes. The thing is metal, baby - and it won't rust, I promise.
I just wish there was a way for us to see how many 'haters' or 'fanbois' end up converting to SWTOR when it launches. That would be the BEST poll / statistic ever.
50% of the haters will try it
DARTH PONY!! i love it!
Here's a clue, those games were targeted at them and not you, oh no. Get over it and move on. I really could care less if TOR gets 10 million subs or 10k, as long as it stays in business so I can enjoy it and I certainly could care less if you don't want to play it. The game meets my needs and not yours, deal with it.
There is a double negative in the title of this thread. So does it mean SWTOR will make us fall in love with mmos?
My theme song.
I am already "in love with MMOs" thanks to Vanguard.
SW:TOR will be a nice alternative MMO where you can actually have a combination of MMO and great story. So far I dont know what else will be good about it, though.
But unfortunately language doesnt use mathematical logic.
Thus a double negative is the same as a single negative.
Judging the latest trends it's far better to wait a month or two after launch before deciding to fork over any cash, or wait a little longer for free trials and or the inevitable free to play model.
A shame really because having played a lot if not all the online games prior to WoW you are missing out on a balanced view of how good an MMO can really be, not just an easy mode romp. WoW is a well put together game for making money is it really fun or challenging ... NO not really.
Sadly the majority of the current MMO playerbase because of WoW means that the genres' player base has been dumbed down so much that challenging and fun MMOs are a rarity these days.
SWTOR or any game I play is fun because it is to be enjoyed with friends, the problem is is there any real gameplay. SWTOR I believe because of the vast ammounts of content and worlds that can be explored does have a lot more value than the general dross being rolled out.
MMOs like Citadel of Sorcery are the types of development that may bring something back to the genre sadly the playerbase is now split with people who enjoy game play and those who just require auto win in a month which consiists of the WoW clones and Pay to Win games/ I mean F2P.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Unfortunately English does and thus a double negative is the same as a positive.
What you say only applies to languages with negative concord, English isn't one of those.
In English a double negative is a weakened positive.
So "he isn't incompetent" means "he's competent, but not overly so".
We are the bunny.
Resistance is futile.
''/\/\'''''/\/\''''''/\/\
( o.o) ( o.o) ( o.o)
(")("),,(")("),(")(")
Not really game cost such an irrelevant ammount of money with respect to gameplay time against other ativities/passtimes that not really anything justifies waiting for release. Unless a little lag or the odd bug bothers you.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
OK OP, I won't won't keep my CE I have on preorder.
In Bioware we trust!
Who wants to fall in love?
What's wrong with having some hot, steamy fun and immersion before saying "thanks Ma'am.. gotta get home to the wife now? :P
"TO MICHAEL!"
Probably your wife? On both questions.
We are the bunny.
Resistance is futile.
''/\/\'''''/\/\''''''/\/\
( o.o) ( o.o) ( o.o)
(")("),,(")("),(")(")
"TO MICHAEL!"
My personal un-opinion: SWTOR won't not be the top half of the best quarter of the MMO industry from not all of the games that were not unreleased out of the previous related fraction under no uncertain unrelated terms; especially out of games that weren't not successful originally.
This thread is just a TOR-Hater-Clone.
Been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt.
Should be called "SWTOR won't be the game that won't make ME fall back in love with MMOs."
Still, double negative troll fail. Bravo.
As soon as you assume you speak on behalf of someone other then yourself, you've already lost the argument. FYI